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    Good job! Some 2011 Nicolai Updates

    Hi All

    Got some tid bits from Nicolai as to a few changes with the Nicolai offerings for 2011.... Some sweet as little changes in my book...

    And for all you non believers the Helius AC 29er is going to be in the line up (yeah baby)

    - UFO ST 2011 Hammerschmidt ready

    - Argon CC geometry update perfectly fitted 120mm forks, more sloping top tube

    - Argon ROCC / CC 29" standard geometry / without tailor made upcharge

    - Helius AC 29" standard geometry without tailor made upcharge (YEAH HA)

    - Nucleon E2 Mix of an ION ST and G-Boxx I technology based on Rohloff technique.

    - Representing a hamemrschmidt pimp kit. (this sounds sick & yummy)

    Have taken wording direct from the Nicolai team... Thanks Karl & Vincent for these tid bits, very much appreciated...
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    Whafe- Whats the Hammersmidt one all about,Be nice if they could make it lighter,From what i have heard Sram/Truvativ have done nothing to the Hammersmidt this year and probably never will again.

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    Im surprised there isnt any light weight after market options for the HS floating around yet

    Edit: Just thinking down the line but are Nicolai bikes pre-faced for the fitting of the HS?
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    Good to see my AC doesn't go through changes...
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    Already heard about the Argon CC standard 29er because I ordered one right before Eurobike and I was told to wait a couple of weeks before the order was submitted to the factory as it would no longer be a custom option and would be much cheaper.

    Will post some pictures when the frame arrives. I'm now up to two Nicolai frames ordered within two months ... my Helius AFR hasn't even arrived yet!

    Edit - I was also told that the Argon CC 29er will still be designed around at 100mm fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Whafe- Whats the Hammersmidt one all about,Be nice if they could make it lighter,From what i have heard Sram/Truvativ have done nothing to the Hammersmidt this year and probably never will again.
    Norcosam - Yeah am thinking that this will be exactly that, some sort of kit to make it lighter.... These are assumptions from me, but if in fact Nicolai are building a "pimp kit" for the HammerS, I guess this really puts to bed their own design.... Be interesting to see what comes of this... Will probe for a little more info.....

    Am sure that it can be made far lighter.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpuk
    Edit: Just thinking down the line but are Nicolai bikes pre-faced for the fitting of the HS?
    It is for sure an optional upgrade on a good many frames. So that is pretty much a yes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Norcosam - Yeah am thinking that this will be exactly that, some sort of kit to make it lighter.... These are assumptions from me, but if in fact Nicolai are building a "pimp kit" for the HammerS, I guess this really puts to bed their own design.... Be interesting to see what comes of this... Will probe for a little more info.....

    Am sure that it can be made far lighter.....

    Sounds interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe

    - Argon CC geometry update perfectly fitted 120mm forks, more sloping top tube

    - Argon ROCC / CC 29" standard geometry / without tailor made upcharge
    Has the 29er CC standard geometry been revealed yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler1977
    Has the 29er CC standard geometry been revealed yet?
    Just checked the website @ nicolai.net and there isnt any updated geo to indicate what the 29er will be....

    Am certain it will be updated in the near future....
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    I don't think there will be any updates to the site until Eurobike ends, which is the 4th of September.

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    hammerschmidt is a white elephant......
    apparently being dropped in 2011 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    hammerschmidt is a white elephant......
    apparently being dropped in 2011 !
    Now where did you hear that? Or did you just dream it up (link would be handy!)? I can't see it being dropped since it has proved it's place in the market place with both bike manufacturers and after market. It might not be perfect but neither is the front dérailleur but at least it allows you to run a double up front on the new breed of larger travel bikes where a front mech reaches it's limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanMmmm
    I don't think there will be any updates to the site until Eurobike ends, which is the 4th of September.
    Totally agree.....Thanks for giving me the correct date, mind was not active
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    TLR - Is that a Scottish TLR apparently or a full on factual apparently?

    Agree with sdr, it is by no means perfect, but think it has its place..... Possibly with all the purpose built 2 x 10 set ups, it may well be rendering the HS dead.....

    Also I think there would be some pretty pissed manufactures whom have specced bikes with the HS...
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    I think they put it on the back burner why they sorted out 10 speed.I would be surprised if they drop it,They must have invested a lot of money in the the design and testing and manufacturer of all the parts.

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    It still is on Truvativ's page...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    It still is on Truvativ's page...
    ... and how often do manufacturers update their sites?

    If the HammerSchmickle is to be scrapped I'm damn glad I've already got one... and will probably look for another... I love mine... I am HammerSchmidten

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    The Nicolai website looks new now. (been weeks since I last looked)

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    New

    Yeah, the website has definitely been revamped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
    ... and how often do manufacturers update their sites?

    If the HammerSchmickle is to be scrapped I'm damn glad I've already got one... and will probably look for another... I love mine... I am HammerSchmidten

    I dunno but SRAM's one shows 2011 stuff... we'll see.

    As for Nicolai's new page, I'm kinda disappointed... it looks very cool, I must admit. But on my slow connection it's a pain and I just hate flash based pages. Too heavy and little to add.
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    The new designed website (by the great Japanese artist Hoshi YOSHIDA) has many, many errors yet. The 2009 website ist still active for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm6
    The new designed website (by the great Japanese artist Hoshi YOSHIDA) has many, many errors yet. The 2009 website ist still active for now.
    It certainly needs some fixing up, am sure it will be good in the long run, but have to say at present, not great..... Look forward to seeing it humming...
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    Did you see the custom "track bike" at http://nicolai-colors.blogspot.com/ ?



    I have some nice rolling country roads in the area...

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Did you see the custom "track bike" at http://nicolai-colors.blogspot.com/ ?

    I have some nice rolling country roads in the area...
    It just oozes that I am a very F-ing fast bike!
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    Nucleon AM looks like and interesting option, same travel as the old FR but what Gbox is in it?

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    Pretty certain it is the more or less original GBoxx that houses the Rohloff hub.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Pretty certain it is the more or less original GBoxx that houses the Rohloff hub.......
    I thought they were paying around with a new version of the GBoxx? seems strange to make a new frame using the old one if they are.
    Also why don't they combine the GBoxx and gates carbon drive? no mechs to break or chain to wear out surely that would be the future?

    I'd say a GBoxx would be the way forward over hammerschmidt, as if your gonna encompass some gears in a fixed unit you might as well do them all. Don't get me wrong i thing the hammerschmit is a great product i just don't think it solves something that was that great of a problem to begin with.

    Has anyone been running a TFR for a while?

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    Weight and drag are the problems with gear-box bikes. A freewheel at the hub would help the drag but the weight is still a huge hurdle.

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    yeah just looked: Helius AM 3,1 kg
    Nucleon AM 6,3 kg

    but what else would you need to add to AM weight to make it fair?
    front mech
    rear mech
    cranks
    bottom bracket
    rear hub
    shifter?

    If you run a GBoxx with full range of gears do you just have one shifter and how many gears do you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
    Weight and drag are the problems with gear-box bikes. A freewheel at the hub would help the drag but the weight is still a huge hurdle.
    Was randomly reading around last night, whilst it would put me off i dont think 32lbs is a bad starting point

    http://www.pinkbike.com/news/article2106.html

    Article is from 2004, states its a 14 speed, cant find info on current incarnation

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey
    yeah just looked: Helius AM 3,1 kg
    Nucleon AM 6,3 kg

    but what else would you need to add to AM weight to make it fair?
    front mech
    rear mech
    cranks
    bottom bracket
    rear hub
    shifter?

    If you run a GBoxx with full range of gears do you just have one shifter and how many gears do you get?
    The range of gears on my TFR is 14, which is the equiv to a 28 speed. The increased weight of the GBoxx for me doesn't make it a frame of choice for me over my FR... I do LOVE the TFR in the air though, more balanced than the FR, but the extra weight is very noticeable to me.

    If the weight can be got down to 31 pounds let's say, will be a weapon...

    Sing out if you would like a great priced large TFR cam in colour.
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    Another good looking news for 2011:



    NICOLAI Argon with the "Nvolution" icon on the yoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm6
    Another good looking news for 2011:

    NICOLAI Argon with the "Nvolution" icon on the yoke.
    Yeah, sweet as for sure, noticed the Nvolution logo on the swingarm of the Nucleon in the other thread.... Very cool indeed....
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    Long time since my last post .. brought some 2011 goodies with me. Enjoy !










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    So they've beefed up the DT on the stock AM and warrantied it for 170mm forks. Not that you can get 170mm forks of coursem unless you shim down a set of 180mm Fox 36s.

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    They must have beefed it up because it's heavier this year if I'm not mistaken.

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    Yep by around 180g, which is about what the custom AM with AFR DT (the ano Orange one) that is on here weighs. Guess Nicolai figured it made sense now that the AC is part of the programme.

    What I don't understand is how the Nucelon AM ends up weighing almost as much as the Nucleon E2.

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    Looks like they have made an AM into a FR.120g different.Cant understand why they bothered with the AM now.

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    Yea that is weird - 3.28kg - what the point in that?

    my old FR weighs 3480g on the scales - is warrentied up to 180mm forks and has a 1.5 headtube - plus it had the sexy gussets The weight difference between the new AM and old FR doesn't seem enough now. Look how much more burly it looks for 200g?

    I could see the case for the AM when it was saving a pound for sure

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    Wow!

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    Karve - how difficult is it to keep the polish looking that good?

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    Some really interesting stuff with the frame weights, be good to see a Helius AC 29er!!!!!!
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    Not hard - its 2 1/2 years old now and I can still get it looking good with 10 minutes and some mothers polish... raw is less maintenance. Each year it gets a rebuff with a polish mop on a drill and its all good. It will never look as good as it did in that pic when it was box fresh however.
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    OMG I've nearly wet myself. The colour of the AC & AM is just stunning. Karve love your frame ;o). I want a new bike now (

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    The principal problem of the nucleon bikes, specially the AM is the weight but... i hope good notices in this in next years :-)

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