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    Pair of new FR's

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    Just built 2 new FR's. The red is a large weighing in at 34lb with 36 Floats and Monarch shock. the black is a medium with CCDB and 888 ATA's and pushing 38lb

    Both bikes are running fairly big wheelsets. red one has the new Hope SP AM's with 2.4 Big bettys on DT5.1 rims. The black has 823's, pro2's and UST BB's. Oddly, the 823's are the lighter wheelset! The AM's have the new heavier 4 bolt Moto V2 rotors while the pro2's are running floating V2 rotors. Still, I would have expected the AM wheelset to be a good bit lighter.

    I've now ridden AM's and FR's in loads of guises/weights and my conclusion for the type of riding I do is that....they're all good They all pedal well, and all descend well. Jurys out at the moment on the merits of the CCDB. Despite raving about it months ago while I was still dialling it in I've now reached the limit of it's HSR and HSC adjustment and it's still not quite how I'd like it. If anyone has any tips please let me know.

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    <a href=http://gravity-sports.co.uk/photo/nics2.JPG><img src=http://gravity-sports.co.uk/photo/nics2.JPG width=700 border=0></a>

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    Some blatent advertising up the top of Ben Aigen

    The 888's suit the FR very well. They're adjustable between 160 and 200mm. 160 makes for a great trail bikes and helps climbing no end. The all round 'sweet spot' is definitely @ the 180 mark though. Bearing in mind these forks are quite short axle to crown. At 180mm they're still a good bit shorter than a 180mm Totem. 200mm for what I do is excessive (not to mention voiding the warranty!), it makes the front too tall and I struggle to get enough weight over the front wheel.

    would certainly be happier if I could keep the current performance but get it down @ 35lb though. My mate's kicking my arse on the 34lb FR up the hills and still buzzing my rear tyre on the downs so I'm not gaining much extra performance with the burlier set up

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    oh...and happy new year to you all!

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    Good going Dipper (and a good new year to you too)! So you having ridden both the FR with a Fox Van and the 888 now, do you think the 888 suits the bike better with the extra travel up front?

    I still have a couple of quid on my UK bank account and need to convert these into goods quickly before the Pound devaluates completely . Was thinking of getting a Totem to convert the bike to a more bikepark oriented machine, but I still would like to pedal it too, say to go up a hill in the Alps. But not sure now, seeing that the 888 at 200mm is about the same height as a Totem (567mm for the 888, 565mm for the Totem).

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    Happy new year Daan. I've used 36 Floats, Vans, Totems and these 888's on FR's now.

    the totems are nice and plush but the 888's give better support and allow the tyre to grip better mid corner. Weight is very similar at @ 6.5lb or so i believe. the adjustabilty of the 888's is a bonus as well as the totems did feel a fraction tall for climbing. I know the FR is only warrantied for 180mm but if the A>C is the same on the 2 forks i can't see there being an issue. I'll maybe check that with Nicolai to be sure.

    I'm fairly sure I can still get these discounted from Windwave if you fancy a set? RRP is £900 but I'm sure I can do them for well under £600

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    Thanks for the offer Richard, would consider it if they came in black. I'm afraid the white won't go too well with the rest of the bike, it being a different shade of white. Did you ride the Totem coil or air? I think the coil would be the only option for me, as it seems the air only comes in silver.

    (no Rockshox in the shop yet?)

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    good point. they would look a bit off!

    They were Totem Coils that i took in as a px. I'm not stocking RS yet but I've put an application in to the importer so should get that sorted shortly.

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    Very nice, a new years treat.Can i have the black one please

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    course you can.....for a fee

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    Dipper, do you have any full side on shots of the black FR with those DC? Would love to see the profile of the bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    course you can.....for a fee

    Thanks mate.I will pay postage

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    lorni - i did have the pleasure of seeing the FR on the Totem's and it looked very very functional and the geometry was blob on. the Totem's have an incredible plushness and if I were a FR owner, would opt for the Totems in pref to the DC's as the DC affects manoeuvrability on the trail. however, it obviously helps Dipper, as he was almost pulling away from me on my hardtail when he run's his DC's

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    I have just got a set of totems for my FR, just waiting on the frame being powdercoated. Hope to have it all built up by begining of February. I think the totems are going to be better than the Lyriks they replace, especially for my bulk.

    I was just wondering because later in the year, I plan to purchase some coil boxxers that I can use on the FR for DH days until I can get the UFO ST that I plan to build up. I have seen a baby blue FR on this forum with Boxxers which look the business, although eventually I would need a longer travel frame as 167mm is not really enough for DH IMHO.

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    i don't but i'll see what i can do. May be a few days as I'm not at home right now.

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    dipper - you know it's the truth, but SO bad for your rep

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    I have a rep?

    I could beat you down the hill(and up) with a flat tyre and still have time to change the tube before you arrived!

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    Hey brave talk here, I like it! Simon, that would be great, many thanks.

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    lorni - he's richard, i'm simon

    weapon - i'll take my Hummer - or my 456 Ti - and the Hummer has only a seatpost and headset fitted and I'll still win

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    I just realised that, the fingers are still pissed I think.

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    So between all the b!tch slappin' going on here, any thoughts on the Totem coil vs the Van RC2 on the Helius FR? Worthwile upgrade if I'm going to use the bike for more bikepark type of riding?

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    the slacker angles created with the Totem will certainly help on steeper/faster terrain. However, if you do a lot of climbing then some form of travel adjust would help IMO. It's probably no big deal, and I've never been one for travel adjust in the past, but I certainly prefer the 888's and their adjustabilty. Both the 888's and Totems are a good bit heavier which is fine for bike park stuff but maybe not so fine for trail riding.

    If it was me and I was predominantly riding bike park stuff(which I'm not) then I'd definitely want to slacken the angles over the 36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    the slacker angles created with the Totem will certainly help on steeper/faster terrain. However, if you do a lot of climbing then some form of travel adjust would help IMO. It's probably no big deal, and I've never been one for travel adjust in the past, but I certainly prefer the 888's and their adjustabilty. Both the 888's and Totems are a good bit heavier which is fine for bike park stuff but maybe not so fine for trail riding.

    If it was me and I was predominantly riding bike park stuff(which I'm not) then I'd definitely want to slacken the angles over the 36.
    i'd agree with this myself

    fwiw, yetiman manages NE Scottish based trail rides on his TOTEM equipped FR.

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    Yeah, have decided it has to be the Totem. Thanks for telling me what I wanted to hear . Richard, when do you expect the RS app to go through, sometime in the coming week?

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    My totems are not as good on trails/xc as my lyrics were.If you want them to sag at 25-30% like a trail fork they will bottom out on the bigger stuff even with the hsc set at max.If you put the harder spring in you lose the small bump response but gain big hit capability.I cant find the perfect combination.At the moment i am running the firm spring and i should be running the x-firm, so i can trail ride without needing wrist replacements after 10 miles.Check the seals aswell lots of them are not as good as they should be(ask tftuned) the seals need to have a upstanding lip on them and not a flat top as mine did.

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    Hey dipper - really really interested in what u have going on with the 888 there

    What were your thoughts behind doing that.. I recently considered a triple crown for my FR but came to the conclusion that with its trail like geometry a 200 mm fork will never really see its limits - the geo makes it a sketchy ride long before a 180 fork is maxed out? As you mentioned 180 SC and 200 tc have the same Axle to Crown so it wont be any slacker than my FR with its totems.

    Not sure about the weight matching up - a 888 properly filled with oil and with a steerer tube is almost 1.5 lbs more than my solo air? 2676g V 3188g

    It does look freaking mint however - but im feeling that really those forks should be strapped to an ST

    Anyone thinking about going 180 on a FR - go for it - ive ridden most of the 7 stanes - most of the trail centres in wales etc on my totem equipped 35.5lbs FR and its been a blast - very rarely do I have to hover over the bars to keep the front end under control - its all good.

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    I was running the 888's on my RM Switch and was finding much more front end grip than I was on the FR with Totems. I swapped wheels and tyres across to see if it was that, which it wasn't. So i then swapped the fork and sure enough, the grip was there on the FR also. If I was being picky, I'd say the 888's are not quite as plush as the totems(or 36 Floats for that matter) but they do give more support and feedback and push the tyre into corners better.

    The 888's are air while my totems are coil hence weights being similar. I did weigh them and there was @ 1/2 a pound difference if I remember right.

    I did feel the totems a bit tall(not by much) for climbing so the travel adjust on the 888's works for me. 200mm is too much for pretty much all my riding though. 180 is about spot on for the downs. I plan on getting to fort bill a few times this year so it may come in handy there. I've not had a situation yet where i'm limited by the triple crown either.

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    Dipper, many thanks for those photos... it sure does look mint and I think I will get the Boxxers later this year. They will go on the FR for DH days only until I get the UFO ST early 2010, until then, I hope to have great results with the coil totems on my FR.

    Dann, do it, you know you want to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    Dann, do it, you know you want to!
    Damn right I'm doing it!

    Edit: Still wondering if a silver Totem would look good on my bike, keeps the option for air open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozzz
    Damn right I'm doing it!

    Edit: Still wondering if a silver Totem would look good on my bike, keeps the option for air open.
    Hey Dann, the try to get some of the air in black, karve managed to get them, if not just get the coil, I really can't wait to get mine back together

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    Incidently, while I am roughly on topic, would any of you, in particular dipper be able to confirm that a large UFO ST would suit a rider of 6'4" or go for a slightly larger custom frame? I have to find a home for the boxxers later this year, or so I am telling the wife...

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    Nice looking pair you have Dipper I'd love to try the red one to see how far air forks and shocks have come. It would be a nice comparison against my coil set up.

    With regards to the subject of forks, I've been running coil totems on my FR for almost 6 months now and they are the ideal fork for the '08 model. Extremely plush and not too heavy plus I haven't noticed any climbing issues with them even on the steepest slopes that I ride. I think I posted pics in the FR set up database.

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    Magura, Boxxer???

    This is an interesting discussion. I've been contemplating a Boxxer for my FR. I'm running a Magura Wotan now and am relatively happy with it. Stiff, predictable and not particularly prone to complete lock up at the end of travel. I was thinking though that it would be nice to have more than a 160mm travel fork on there. I was also thinking that a Dual Crown might be nice. The new RS Boxxers have been reworked and are pretty light (~6.5lbs). Anyone have any experience or thoughts on the Boxxers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
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    I was running the 888's on my RM Switch and was finding much more front end grip than I was on the FR with Totems. I swapped wheels and tyres across to see if it was that, which it wasn't. So i then swapped the fork and sure enough, the grip was there on the FR also. If I was being picky, I'd say the 888's are not quite as plush as the totems(or 36 Floats for that matter) but they do give more support and feedback and push the tyre into corners better.

    The 888's are air while my totems are coil hence weights being similar. I did weigh them and there was @ 1/2 a pound difference if I remember right.

    I did feel the totems a bit tall(not by much) for climbing so the travel adjust on the 888's works for me. 200mm is too much for pretty much all my riding though. 180 is about spot on for the downs. I plan on getting to fort bill a few times this year so it may come in handy there. I've not had a situation yet where i'm limited by the triple crown either.

    Ahhh makes sense - so like it was more about the quality of the travel than the extra travel or stiffness - never seen a pair of 66's ATA'a on a FR - did you consider them?

    Id love to see a front angle shot with those on to get the full burlyness in view
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    I've not had any experience with the UFO so can't really say. Looking at the specs and it's intended use I'd say a large would be fine. But thats just a guess. I've got 2 customers(one of which is Yetiman) that have their heads in the clouds(both @ 6'4". is that about right Paul?) and they are both happy on large FR's. At 6' I'm usually between sizes but i find a medium with 70mm stem spot on for me. Probably not much help. Sorry

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    If the 66 is as good as the 888 I reckon it would be ideal on the FR. I only ended up with a 888 as windwave were discounting the 08 models. and it suited the Switch very well.

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    give me a shout and we can arrange a ride somewhere. The Floats are stunning, just a shame there's no 180mm version!

    The red FR took a bit of a tilt today on ice. The rider spent all day in hospital getting x-ray'd but the good news is the bike was unharmed!

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    I'm 6' 2" Richard and perfectly happy with the large frame. 6' 4" might be around the upper height for the large but if it was me I'd probably stick with large and play around with stems and seat posts. My current set up is a 50mm stem and straight post but if I was 2 inches taller I'd probably fit a Thomson layback and 65-70mm stem.
    That's based on my own frame but if I was building from scratch then custom geo might be the way to go for the perfect fit.

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    fair enough Paul. Dawson with the red FR is 6'4". He's running a 70mm stem and it appears spot on. Custom Geo is a good idea if you REALLY know what you want, otherwise it could be an expensive mistake. Even if I did ever go custom I'd probably only mess with TT length and ST length and leave the geo to the those that know what they're doing.

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    Dipper: Many thanks for your advise. I currently run the FR in XL with a 50mm stem and I find it perfect. The intended use of the UFO ST would be more gravity based, therefore a slightly smaller size would be more beneficial. I think the Large would be good and as you all suggest, play with spacer height.

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    The FR's are looking super sweet Richard, very very nice! Cant wait to have a go of the FR with tripples, looks the business!

    I must say those 823 rims are stunning at not alot of weight penalty when running big bettys as amazingly on the scales the UST big bettys at 2.4" only weigh 760g and for a tyre with HUGE volume thats amazing esp. since the nobby nics weight around 700g! its a bizzare one for sure.

    I have to agree the FR seems to need the 180mm fork to do it justice and get the geom spot on, i think anyone wanting to run a Fox 160mm fork should go for the AM as at the end of the day i think it can take just as much abuse!!!

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