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    The round profile of the TK might work well with the wider rims.

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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    So slightly ahead of schedule, frame assembled now and ready to be shipped to Hoshi for custom decals..NOW you can tell it's XXL long and S low, I CAN NOT WAIT to build it and shred this thing on some trails in finale Ligure in...3wks

    Just need the Derby rims to come out of customs!
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    Pilot,

    The short seat tube helps exaggerate the length of the front triangle, very long and very low look, nice. Should look amazing when it's finished.

    No news from Moveloc...sent a e-mail, still no reply yet.

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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Agree on Moveloc, same for me.

    New availability date end July on shop..


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    I am currently experiencing the mother of all tyre quandries...
    Any suggestions firstly for a trouble free trip to a finale ligure, suggestions are schwalbe rock razer super gravity rear and Michelin wild rock r2 magic gum front, cor Conti MK rear 2.2 and Tk front 2.4. Or hutchinson cobra/couger.

    Then for normal use where my weight weenie self can take over a bit more...well I dunno frankly, always used Maxxis, minions, ardents, HR's, recently had a basis with Hans Dampf but as usual suffered punctures with poor sidewall strength (always seems to happen every time I try a schwalbe)
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    SG version of Magic Mary front, 2.2 Conti TK rear or Rock Razor rear.

    What hubs and spokes are you using with the Derby's?

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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Chris king hubs, Sapim cx rays.


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    Yo, have good experience with HD in SG version, run the MM in SG on my DH bike as well....

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    Think I will go Rock Razer rear in SG, give schwalbe another chance and either MM front SG or the Michelin for the Finale trip...will add weight but that beats punctures!
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    Nearly there now..a few more parts arriving.

    CK hub now has XD driver fitted and 142x12 axle + I serviced it.

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    Derby rims arrived, splendidly wide..

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    Need to build the wheels now..

    Saddle is here
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    Frame has had custom Decals added by Holger at WhyEx.

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    Frame will be with me next week.

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    I am waiting on Renthal Carbon Fatbar 780mm, they are not available just yet..and of course the Moveloc, but I will 'borrow' my Reverb from the Argon.

    Still waiting for a Kirk, but CCDBa will do the duty in the meantime and I need some pedals. Might try the new Superstar Delta...
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    Chromag Scarabs are nice pedals.

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    Just spotted this copy which was originally published in April

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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    It belongs to a Journo friend of mine. He was looking at a Nic but the offer to build it and see it happen was too good to turn down. It's not quite as long in the TT as he would have preferred ideally but It was the longest TT they had and close enough. He loves it. he's been a FwdGeo evangelist (within the limits of his job of course) for a long time now.



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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Pedals on the way too now..wheels being built as I type 😊Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom-imageuploadedbytapatalk1404567746.509047.jpg

    I want to try and find a SRAM and a Mavic sticker too...


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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    I did a not even attached to the bike test of my new Devilles. Lack of stiction is amazing even after my Pikes and so smooth through the stroke. Hope they have the same feel on the bike, no reason why not of course as Devilles and I have history but it's been a few years...


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    Hi, looking forward to seeing this build completed. Should be a real weapon. Did I read earlier on in the post that you've got an ion 15 aswell? I'm torn between ordering the 16 650b or the 15. I emailed nicolai but there are no demo bikes in the uk so it looka like being a blind purchase.
    What are your thoughts?

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    Frame is in da house, well Dippers house having a headset fitted, 3.59kg with all the bolts and axle. Nae too bad considering its an xxl with paint and in line with my spreadsheet Some minor scuffing to a tiny bit of headtube paint in transit (due to it being so long) but not noticable

    Build will commence Thursday I hope.
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    philblue, I did have an Ion15, I worked with Nicolai on the design, see the thread.

    Whafe has it now and is in love with it...me I always have itchy feet for the next project so decided to do this one next...

    If you are torn maybe you should ride all three FG Ion16, Ion16 and Ion15.

    Dipper is pretty good about letting people demo his bikes so if you can get yourself to Glentress he may be able to oblige with a test ride
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    There are also a number of 16 owners around who I am sure would be willing to help out of you are willing to travel.
    I certainly don't mind people trying mine. I need to pay a visit to Rich as he also wants a shot on the FG 27.5.

    I loved my 15, Richard is still in love with his as is Whafe etc. its a stellar bike.
    I've never ridden the 650b or any 650b yet!
    THere is a thread by pimpmessiah (Sadly no longer with us) on his journey to originally going to get the 650b but after trying the Ion15 (despite being an unbeliever) he couldnt believe how good it was so switched to that model.

    If you want to try mine get in touch, you have Dippers email above.
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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Philblue
    Have you ridden any AM 29?

    I'd say the key difference is in the forgiveness of the 29(15) it just let's you get away with so much which in turn gives you such confidence.
    I'd also say if I had only one bike that would be it. It can be built light enough to pedal all day, pedals really well and covers ground easily up up hill and down dale and smashes the descents. I (personally) wouldn't have a 'normal' Ion16 27.5.
    The only reason this one has 27.5 wheels is I couldn't make the FG geometry work in a full suss with 29 wheels. And they kinda do the same thing in different ways.
    However I'm certain the 29 will pedal better.
    The Ion15 really does handle like a 26 with added stability/rollover and ground covering ability. It is a bit less 'playful'(just as manoeuvrable) due to those attributes i.e. because it is so forgiving of mistakes and terrain. So unless you feel the need to pop off everything and manual everywhere (it does all of those things) then for most mortals it's fab.




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    Just read the ion15 thread. Sounds like a great bike, nice work. It'd be great to be able to test the difference between them. I rode a intense carbine 29 recently and really liked the way it rode other than having not enough reach and I'm not after another vpp bike. It will be my only bike so it needs to do everything well. I'm riding a santa cruz blur tr at the minute which great fun but not enough travel at times. Picking a new bike is a minefield of options which gets bigger every year. Ha. Not sure I'd be brave enough to order a forward geometry frame though.

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    pilot,

    Ion 15 29er was an amazing project....tempted to try get one of these. How far could you push the TT of the XL (640 as stock)?

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    Loamranger, my brother in law has a 635mm ETT L Shinobi he now runs with a 10mm, he crashed it at BPW on its first outing, not because he overlooked it, but because he went from 45mm to 10mm and it steered so fast (it as bought large, short stem, west forward) now has v short stem seat normal/back although he'd prefer a touch more reach.
    I think balancing the head angle and the length is key. The concern for me was i it would become too stable with the 29 because of the wheels but I'm not so sure now. The chainstays aren't a problem as they are only 9mm longer than the 27.5. I think you could add 40mm without any worry especially if you had light wheels and you kept the 67.5 HA., maybe longer, the wheelbase would be similar to mine now and CPs is 40mm longer than mine which he's happy with.
    I must confess tho I'd rather have a tame frame builder and build a hardtail out of scaffold tubes to test the geo on the 29 first. Don't forget I tested the Ion29 geo out with a flexible bike first and did similar with a Mondraker I borrowed for this one so kinda prototyped.
    However..
    based on broinlaws experience, without ūber light carbon wheels on it and seeing how it turns, I have a hard time thinking that 680-690mm ETT would be a problem with a 68 HA and short 10 or 20mm stem It could be just a bit too sanitising though and getting it stopped into corners could be tough!
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    Thanks for your thoughts on the Ion 15 29er with longer TT, definately considering this option. I see BOS are introducing the Dizzy 29er fork, pity it's 32 mm stantion and 100/120mm travel only. That leaves the Pike as the only option for this bike I suppose?Not sure if Avy do a cartidge for the 29er Pike yet?

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    Yes Avy do, to answer my own question. 160 Pike with Avy cartridge...that would be the way to go then?

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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Yes. One of Dippers Nicolai friends has a 160mm Avy Pike on his bike, maybe mail for some feedback but pretty sure it would be good.


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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Bits to finish..need to fit the chain guide but bolts too long so need to get some new ones. Temporary bars, temporary shock, temporary seatpost, but apart from that it is built and I'm über pleased with it.
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    I'll do a take losts of pictures and load them up thing soon when I have more time!


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    Looks awesome!! Where you taking it for the christening? Interested to hear what you think of the rims once you've spent some time on it.

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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Some pre build stuff
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    More pics after a clean. Second ride today, dust yesterday, rain and grit today! I like it alot, which is good!

    I am looking forward to the Kirk, although the Ion16 27.5 seems more progressive than the 15 at the back and needs less spacers in the CCDBa, still feels a bit dead even if it is very effective. Weight is ok at 30.5lbs. it will be 29.5lbs when the new parts arrive and 28.5lbs when it hasn't got 2kg worth of tyres on it!

    Its deceptively fast, It felt very easy today, no drama, bike wanted to go faster, lots of confidence in the front, turns out I wasn't slow at all. Front is easier to lift than expected given the length too.
    Its also strangely easy to get round 180 uphill switchbacks due to the fact that at 90deg bar turn there is still lots of room between the bar end near to you and you, it remains in front so to speak, you can turn around in your own wheelbase without too much trouble!

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    Stunning ride - but your bikes usually are...

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    pilot, congrats...the bike is amazing.

    Tyres look really fat on those 40mm Derby's....not much seat stay clearance according to the photos but plenty with the BOS?

    Is the stem a lot higher than conventional stems?

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    Cheers, seems plenty of clearance on the seat stay in the flesh. No touching so far on rides.
    Plenty of front clearance with the rockr2 and BOS.
    The zero is higher, it has a 25mm rise in effect I think I'll have to check, hence needing less spacers. You have to be careful cutting the steerer too. Best to cut a bit, ride, decide if it's right and take more if necessary.
    You can use headset shims to fine tune the insertion.
    I'm stoked with how it looks, I'd like some stickers on the drive side chainstay but needs. To be the right ones, I'll keep looking...
    Taking it to Finale Ligure at the weekend for some uplift & plummet action with a bit of pedalling thrown in.
    I'll probably lob an old tyre section on the DT and tape up the Chainstays for the trip, it has a date with a studio when I get back.
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    Looks amazing!

    I'm starting to think they sent me 26" Bos Forks as I have barely any clearance with a 2.35 Magic Mary on the front. The Box states they are 27.5 forks though. Any other way to tell as there seems to be nothing on the forks themselves.
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalla View Post
    Looks amazing!

    I'm starting to think they sent me 26" Bos Forks as I have barely any clearance with a 2.35 Magic Mary on the front. The Box states they are 27.5 forks though. Any other way to tell as there seems to be nothing on the forks themselves.
    Cheers.
    Hear you go Nalia, sounds like 26 inch:

    Axle to crown length :
    26'' : 545mm
    27.5'' : 555mm
    Total offset :
    26'' : 37mm
    27.5'' : 41mm

    Pilot, is it being published?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Hear you go Nalia, sounds like 26 inch:


    Pilot, is it being published?

    I assume so, its a Journo from Future I know who contacted me. He published the piece with the Ion15 and there is a group in there pretty passionate about FG. His colleague is the the guy with the Intense FG custom.
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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Back from Finale. Apart from a couple of things coming a bit loose (shock bolt, rear
    Mech bolt) the bike worked amazingly well.
    Fantastic feeling from the front. Devilles every bit as good as I remember, fit, forget and revel in how good they are.
    CCDBa worked great out back too.
    A few pedal srikes,
    Inevitable in rocky terrain but nothing to worry me, mostly rider error.
    Climbs brilliantly. Did I mention how amazing the front is. I would also say I could have gone longer I think without worrying but after 3 days shuttling, I never gave the size one single thought so It's spot on for me.
    Wheels were superb, really stiff.
    It's very very good, especially in fast technical terrain and really tight steep hairpins were no problem.
    Aces
    A friend was with me on his FR still doing the business even if it's a bit old skool.
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    Glad the Italy trip went well, bike looks stunning. Dam I love those BOS forks.... Great to hear the rims went well.....

    Go the forward geo.....
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    Pilot, sounds fun. Got to try this FG stuff and those wheels. I used to have a black FR just like your friends...still a good bike.

    Are you still intending to fit a Kirk...if you do it would be interesting to hear how it compares with the DBa. I've got a DBa and changed it for a Stoy....prefer the Stoy, better control, stability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post

    Are you still intending to fit a Kirk...if you do it would be interesting to hear how it compares with the DBa. I've got a DBa and changed it for a Stoy....prefer the Stoy, better control, stability.
    Did you fit a Stoy Air? I'm looking forward to how it compares too, yes waiting for the Kirk now, it's on the way I'm now told.
    The CCDBa is undoubtedly good and controlled. I had added spacers as per the Nicolai set up session but increased LSC to control pedalling a little better and backed off the rebound to try and provide more pop and it made a difference to feel, but its still not as I remember either my Stoy Coil or vip'r. I hope I'm not disappointed.
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    I've got a coil. Not sure there was ever an air version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    I've got a coil. Not sure there was ever an air version?
    It's called "Void"

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    What Raschaa said. I had the Stoy coil, nothing I've had before or since has hugged the ground like that shock on my Helius AM, amazing grip yet it still felt lively. Not the best pedalling in the world but by no means the worst.

    Vipr felt good but not the same grip level as the Stoy, but close enough for a 600+g weight saving!
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    ah yes, forgot about the void.

    Looking forward to the new SC based on this


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    Yay, no have the Kirk, only had one ride so far, feels like a good balance between it and the front, pedalling platform is good, damping is very effective i.e. one click does alot, seems efficient with its travel, all the things I'd hoped.

    Should get the Fatbar carbon next week to complete the build all except for the seat post which now appears delayed until Sept! (I've had a slightly grumpy email exchange with Vecnum, basically they have massively underestimated demand and both production runs have sold out immediately. Perhaps they should concentrate on seatposts and not convertible helmets!)

    Pics to follow when I have bars...looks alot like it does already thogu I suspect, you wont see the 350g difference in pictures ;-)
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    pilot, Kirk sounds good...I found the improved balance with my Stoy when I switched. Pity about the seatpost but sounds like a good product and worth the wait.

    Do the tyres get really much fatter with those 40mm Derby's? Do you have any measurements?

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    Loamranger, not much bigger but much more square, I can do some measuring if you want? One or both?
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    Would like to know dia. and width of your front Michelin tyre, if possible to compare with my 650b Flow/Magic Mary set-up. Clearance is tight under my BOS SC's since they are 26in forks originally.

    How do you find the Michelin's?

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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    Michelin is 61mm wide at knob edge and 700mm dia.
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    Ordered: Ion 16 Fwd Geo Custom

    It's good so far. Hard, rocky, loose rock, hard pack conditions. A lot like a HRII in design. Good edge bite, feels sticky and confidence inspiring although geo probably helps. It's very square on the rim.
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    Hi, what ETT did you end up with...

    i'm 5' 11 - my arms are 630mm and my torso 680cm and in 762mm

    am getting a Helius TB and at present am thinking 620mm top tube and 35mm stem...

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