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    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread

    I thought it worth separating out the GPI and std bike threads really and providing a platform to both showcase different peoples builds and how the bikes are being used, how the frames are evolving and to provide a place for feedback or suggestions.

    I have been waiting for my new and shocks to arrive after the last two frames went to new, enthusiastic owners with quite different builds for different ends of the riding spectrum showing how versatile the bike can be.

    My next build will be a little different too building on the development theme.

    Still a longest sixe, me being 5'10"/178cm It will sport some Mojo tuned Fox 40's reduced to 180mm with the previously featured 450mm swingarm and 175mm travel 222x70mm X2 with 6 spacers at the rear.
    Overall this adds around 470g to the 36 equipped version.

    I will be running a -2 angleset with a std BSI BB height of 342mm with the current tyres of choice being a Minion SS rear and Magic Mary/Mavic Charge/Maxxis Minion WT

    A new internally routed Fox Transfer seatpost will take care of dropper duties, shedding aroubd 100g over the previous DOSS (Which has been bombproof and maintenance free)

    I'll still be running a mixture of both Derby rimmed CK wheels and Mavic XL'S with a dean easy conversion at the rear.

    I was hoping the new Mavic Carbon wheels would be suitable to drop another 100g or so, but it's clear they are not man enough for the job with a recommended max jump of 60cm.

    Brakes and drivetrain are a mixture of Hope and xtr/Sram XX1

    Stem is a Syntace 30mm and bars Atherton Pro 800's

    I am still expecting the whole bike to come in under 32lbs.

    Reports and pics once built!

    For now here is the previous incarnation

    As usual the bike will be available for demo's if I'm in the vicinity or someone very specifically wants to try it and we can arrange something.
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    Looks like I will also be fitting some adjustable offset triple clamps. More testing.

    The 40 fork easily takes both 27.5 and 29er wheels so I will also be testing the effect of using the larger wheel at these head angles on the front and where/what type of trail that may be an advantage and/or disadvantage..

    A key aspect for me is also if the triple clamp is an issue in terms of manoeuvrability in tight situations e.g. switchbacks and tight trees. Low speed carpark testing suggests not but real life reports to follow of course...
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    Here is a really nice blog from my Italian friend who came to the UK to pick up and test his GeoMetron to get the settings sorted.

    This is his only bike and a true all round setup. Some nice pictures too.

    nicolai*mojo - aadm
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Here is a really nice blog from my Italian friend who came to the UK to pick up and test his GeoMetron to get the settings sorted.

    This is his only bike and a true all round setup. Some nice pictures too.

    nicolai*mojo - aadm


    Cool. "my bike must be #24 of the original twenty-five."

    Wondering what number mine is

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    Low numbers honourablegeorge.


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    Quite excited now.... have all the parts pretty much organised, dithering a bit over rims and tyres as the bike will be on both trail and uplift duty since it replaces the DH bike and the 26" Ion.

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    Rims and tyres? something 26mm-30mm wide is about optimal in my view. Tyres; I like a fast rear, faves include Minion SS, Rockrazor, even when a bit wet as sliding the back feels very natural but you lean the GeoMetron so much more it's only braking that can suffer,

    Minion DHF2 on the rear is good, Maxxis Aggressor is recommended by CP, my Bro in law recommends the new Vittoria Morso

    On the Front Magic Mary or Mavic Charge all the way for me but about to try the 2.5 Minion DHF2 WT

    Should get mine this weekend, looking forward to it.
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    Cool... think mine wil be along a week or so later.

    New Flow rims at 29mm ID are current favourites. I think the RR would just lack too much traction for me, both climbing and braking - much as I like the idea of easy fireroad climbing. Like the DHR2 on my 26" bike, so maybe that in 2.4 rear with the 2.5 DHF front.

    Too much choice stresses me out

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    Sounds like the Maxxis Aggressor or Vittoria Morso for you George...I'd give either of those a go. I like my DHR2 rear but it ain't half draggy for General use....You will encounter a level of climbing traction I suspect you have not previously experienced ion the GeoMetron. Even with a lightly treaded rear tyre.
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    Like the sound of that. Thanks (yet again) for the advice.

    Actually, I had intended to email you for even more advice re the fork. Been over the video for extending to 180mm, which looks straightforward, but you had mentioned the negative spring mod also, so would lik to understand how to do that. I saw you mention elsewhere (I've reread ALL the threads ) that the fork is nominally 180mm, but in actual use is more like a 165mm fork - is it doen to the negative spring mod, or just more sag (or combinatin of the two)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by honourablegeorge View Post
    Like the sound of that. Thanks (yet again) for the advice.

    Actually, I had intended to email you for even more advice re the fork. Been over the video for extending to 180mm, which looks straightforward, but you had mentioned the negative spring mod also, so would lik to understand how to do that. I saw you mention elsewhere (I've reread ALL the threads ) that the fork is nominally 180mm, but in actual use is more like a 165mm fork - is it doen to the negative spring mod, or just more sag (or combinatin of the two)?
    I've sent you the procedure for modding the fork, baseline shock settings, and oil levels.

    Fork will run to almost 180mm but you need to hit something hard! typically 170mm will be given up but the fork sits up much more than standard particularly under braking but remains supple.

    If you want to really go for it, remove the springs from the seals, remove the foam rings and use slick honey or slikoleum (or similar) in the gap, also put a few cc's of float fluid between the bushes with the forks horizontal before re-fitting, they will feel like butter. Use 10W green for the absolute best performance but with a faster tail off. Use Gold for 95% of the performance but longer lasting (std service intervals) but you will notice when they go off more anyway just because of the performance when 'fresh' if you follow the above procedure.
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    Ooooops. Tweaked trailbike time after a great day at Mojo talking Geo and experimentation and mostly building this I shall look forward finishing it overt the weekend and getting a little test in

    Picked up an adjustable offset clamp and bushes to experiment with too. empirical data rather than theorising



    Running the bad boy forks allows the testing of a 29 front wheel too just to add to the mix
    So 180mm front, 175mm rear, tweaks to the shocks at both ends.

    This one is running a -2 headset as standard


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    Finally built up, needs a few tweaks to setup but pretty much there.

    May need to add a dropped top clamp, not sure yet.

    Planning to add some lighter wider wheels.


    Geo/key specs for this one (Fork at 180mm) are;

    Size: Longest
    HA: 60.8deg
    SA: 77.2deg
    ETT: 661mm
    CS:450
    BB Height: 338mm
    Reach: 523mm
    WB: 1354mm
    Trail: 138mm
    Mechanical trail: 121mm
    Flop : 58mm
    Weight 32.3lbs/14.6kg

    Bar: 800mm Atherton Pro
    Stem: 30mm Syntace (Or Mondraker 20-30mm direct mount)
    Seatpost: Fox transfer 150mm internal
    Saddle: Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio
    Headset : Superstar -2deg
    Fork: Fox 40 - 180mm - 200mm
    Rear Shock : 222 x 70, 6 spacers, 175mm travel
    Crank: Hope 165mm, 32t
    Brakes : Hope Tech3 X2 203mm rotors
    Drivetrain : XX1 10-42 Cassette/xtr mech (Goatlink)
    Wheels - Mavic CrossMax XL
    Tyres: Magic Mary 2.3 / Minion SS

    Plan is to change the pedals (Xpedo Baldwin), wheels (tbc) and bars(Enve Dh) to reduce overall weight by 320g to bring it back to 31.5lb/14.3kg which I think is the best I can do and keep the mechanical integrity/ride qualities I'm after.

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    Hi the_pilot, you built a very nice bike. I was wondering whether you are still riding the GPI? If yes, do you have any new experience especially when you compare the GPI with the "normal" geometron?

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    Slavdo I'm still riding the GPI just not as often. Nothing new to report with it. The std bike feels more lively in trail use but that's expected it has more anti squat. It's also less tiring to pedal on a long day, that's the trade off for low maintenance. I much prefer a std trigger shift still. For where I live and ride I prefer the std bike I must confess.


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    Check out the hashtag #geolution on social media for some teasers of the new range...hardtail, big wheeler...it's almost time to bring it all together...
    If you are a geek you will see a few new parts too...


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    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread

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    Aadm's write up is great, if youve not read it you should forum members.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Here is a really nice blog from my Italian friend who came wto the UK to pick up and test his GeoMetron to get the settings sorted.

    This is his only bike and a true all round setup. Some nice pictures too.

    nicolai*mojo - aadm

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    Ray,
    It. Ight be #11 I think
    Let us know here how you like it?
    First impressions and after a week or two would be great,
    I reckon it'll grow on you pretty fast.

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    Ray

    I think you'd be amazed at how much grip the Razor has.
    But is has to be the Supergravity TS version.
    Significantly more grip than the Spesh Slaughter (bit lacking in braking) that Loic won his big race on.
    I got caught out in rain in a chalky muddy area (South Downs) with lots of roots and the Razor fared real well. Mr Porter favours it and that means a lot.

    If you need one, a super grippy rear is the Shorty 3C 2.3, it really seems to suit the Geometron on a 23-26 internal rim. Tractors up anything and braking on loam is amazing good clearance too, which you dont get with a Mary on the back.
    At FOD (damp but no rain) the Mary TS front and Shorty rear worked real well for me. For a bit less drag the Minion DHR2 in 2.3 is a great rear too.
    DHR2 rolls and brakes well IMO. A confident all rounder.

    Conti's Baron Projekt works nice as a rear in intermediate wet ground. And in dry dusty rooty stuff its pretty good too. Possinbly a bit better choice than Minion DHR2 if it might get muddy.
    Tested it on the front (Shorty rear) and I found it a bit slidey, but my local mud is very slick and sticky and it wasan unexpectedly sloppy day.

    Phil is right about the Mavic Charge. Lovely grippy front tyre. I need to do more testing if that against my Mary TS on the front. Instinct tells me the slightly deeper Mary tread might grip loose better. But its going to be hard to beat the Charge over roots.

    So, depending on conditions
    Rear Razor/ Shorty / Conti Baron chilli
    Front : Charge / Shorty / Mary TS
    If I had only one wheelset I'd probably go with the DHR2 and Mavic Charge front.

    Maxxis Aggressor EXO sounds frasgile, but DD sounds a bit "stiff" needing very low pressure, with risk orf rolling - mind my Minion DHR2 isn't double down and if C Porter recommends thatís a gold dust recommendation right there.
    wonder what the advantages over a DHR2 are, bit lighter maybe, easier perhaps?
    Review: Maxxis Aggressor 27.5? x 2.30? Tires | Singletracks Mountain Bike News

    REAL MUDDY woods riding (but [not high speed as too little volume] the Spesh Storm tyre can work well, amazing clearance.

    Yeah, too much choice

    Am about to test the + idea with a 2.8 Schwalbe Nobby B Nic on my 34 internal carbon Derby wheel - as I've not managed to sell the wheel yet I may as well play!
    Fits in the 36 ok, for sure its not up to sidewall damaging terrain tho. Local roots might be fun, its comfy I am told. Might be bouncy, lets see. The Conti RQ / TK 2.4 chilli was good on the Derby and BIG but didn't suit my terrain.

    Quote Originally Posted by honourablegeorge View Post
    Cool... think mine wil be along a week or so later.

    New Flow rims at 29mm ID are current favourites. I think the RR would just lack too much traction for me, both climbing and braking - much as I like the idea of easy fireroad climbing. Like the DHR2 on my 26" bike, so maybe that in 2.4 rear with the 2.5 DHF front.

    Too much choice stresses me out
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    I like, rear mud clearance must be ace. 650 yeah?

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    Long term feedback - Still loving my Geometron Longest - and now it's even longer

    I'm 6' 2.5" riding the Longest.

    A year in and I am still loving the Geometron, I must say never had a real long lasting affair with a bike before. The grass has always been greener. it's not now. I did think I was happy with my Nicolai AM - until I rode one of these, IT FITS!

    A couple of weeks ago I built up a new black frame with a -1 head cup from Works plus the longer travel rear end same as the_pilot. 5mm longer stays and a bigger shock this time with the Float compression lever for climbing.
    I wouldn't say the lever is necessary but it certainly feels just a touch more direct when pedalling smooth fire roads uphill. The shock still has al the standard adjustments and range so there is nothing about the lever to not like. As long as I remember to switch climb mode off before I hit the gnar, that is.


    It didn't take me long to get used to riding the Geometron on my local trails last year and, even though they are tight, tree lined, and pretty flat the Geometron handles them with ease. Including the steep climbs where it's traction is amazing. Got to say itís the funnest bike I've ridden there and my XC FS 100m 29er has been hanging up since I first threw a leg over the Geometron last August..

    So if you're thinking of it, don't hold back, I thought long and hard and for sure I made the right choice.

    mmm, sorry managed to attach pics twice here and can't remove the smaller one!

    (cross posted from: Mojo / Nicolai / Geometron, next step - "forward geometry plus"- Mtbr.com )
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Ray

    I think you'd be amazed at how much grip the Razor has.
    But is has to be the Supergravity TS version.
    Significantly more grip than the Spesh Slaughter (bit lacking in braking) that Loic won his big race on................
    Thanks Neil. I went for the DHF/DHR WT to start with, as I've had good success with the DHR on the 26 bike, so I figure'd I'd start with something familiar, and OCD dictates same brand front and rear. Picked up a Minion SS cheap also, so I have that for the dry days (may be kidding myself there, not seen a dry day for months......) and trail centre/hardpack sort of riding. Will probably run a Shorty up front for the winter months, and maybe a DoubleDown aggressor out back for uplift days, hopefully have a few coming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Ray

    Am about to test the + idea with a 2.8 Schwalbe Nobby B Nic on my 34 internal carbon Derby wheel - as I've not managed to sell the wheel yet I may as well play!
    Fits in the 36 ok, for sure its not up to sidewall damaging terrain tho. Local roots might be fun, its comfy I am told. Might be bouncy, lets see.
    I have 2.8 NNs front and rear on my Last Fast Forward with DT XM551 rims (40 internal) - been having great fun on the bike, but the NN on the rear has been the tricky bit - a couple of PSI too high and it loses the ability to deform arounds and crawl over stuff when climbing, too low and - well, I used 6 of those rubber anchovies irepairing it already. The grip is fantastic though, no problems as a front tyre, and "bounce" hasn't been an issue. 2.8s aren't that much wider, it's really the lower pressure (the volume) that's makign the difference

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    Ok. New range is here.
    https://issuu.com/why_gbr/docs/nicol...-2017-final_x1
    They didn't quite go as far as some of us wanted with HA on 13 and 16 but easily changed still, only 1 deg shy. Couple of other things I'd have liked to see, but maybe next year.
    Brave though and shows the confidence. Team racers in Germany have been winning and getting great results since switching to the GeoMetron and of course we saw One Vsion and Jack Reading hit the top 20 in the WC DH at MSA.
    I look forward to what the press has to say at Eurobike.


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    I personally don't like the fact that 2017 bikes are specified with max. tire width 63,5 mm instead of previous 71,5 mm. Other than that I like the new G16 quite a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavdo View Post
    I personally don't like the fact that 2017 bikes are specified with max. tire width 63,5 mm instead of previous 71,5 mm. Other than that I like the new G16 quite a lot.
    So a 2.5 rather than a 2.8! There is no way you'd get a genuine 2.8 in a previous gen Ion or Helius, or GPI, definitely not on something like a 34mm internal rim.

    The 'new' G16 is broadly the same as the current GeoMetron? other than Boost, cable clamp and of course the changed Yoke. The other changes would have potentially given you what you mentioned above without compromising anything, maybe next year.
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    Hi all,
    it was very interesting to read your experiences with the Geometrons.
    i made an excel list where i compared my previous bikes and which kinematic characteristics i liked.
    compared this excel with some of available bikes i surprisingly came exact to the Geometron longest.

    A new frame is too expensive for me but i really like the changes they did for 2017 (222 damper for 175mm travel)

    So in this thread i could read about your custom (?) chainstay at 450mm. Where did you get them?
    And for your 175mm rear travel: Did you change something else or just put a 222mm damper in?

    cheers

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    Joey, Chris had the chainstays produced by Nicolai. The only difference with the 2017 is the trail key allows the shock change due to a 7mm change, but I would have liked to see the chainstay lengthened to 450mm on longest and XL.
    With the 450mm chainstay you just need to fit the 222x70 shock to get the travel, nothing else. I find high setting gives the best all round BB height but Low is amazing downhill.
    I also have an angleset, -1 works great with a 36.
    Msg me if you want to find a used or ex demo frame. But let me know a budget.
    I can also let you know the anticipated cost of the custom chainstay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Joey, Chris had the chainstays produced by Nicolai. The only difference with the 2017 is the trail key allows the shock change due to a 7mm change, but I would have liked to see the chainstay lengthened to 450mm on longest and XL.
    With the 450mm chainstay you just need to fit the 222x70 shock to get the travel, nothing else. I find high setting gives the best all round BB height but Low is amazing downhill.
    I also have an angleset, -1 works great with a 36.
    Msg me if you want to find a used or ex demo frame. But let me know a budget.
    I can also let you know the anticipated cost of the custom chainstay.


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    What is your take on Santa Cruz saying the HA after certain point makes the fork flex too much and it intervenes with its performance.
    This was in regards to their V10 with a 40 fork. I believe the angle mentioned was 63į.

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    Jazzanova, I think it's bollocks. Chris said he was going to inform them of his opinions too at Fort Bill WC this year after he read the article.
    They were also limited in their ability to mod the V10 as it was basically using a production frame, they only had so much leeway to make changes so not ideal.
    On the suspension If anything the force is more parallel to the direction of travel with a slacker HA as you approach obstacles at speed going forward they don't act vertically. It flexes just as much with a steeper HA if you think about it particularly under braking again where the slacker HA works better. At low speed there is more compromise but it's not designed to spend all its life going slowly, it just depends where the compromise takes place...



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    What size would you suggest for someone 173cm?
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    173cm could go Longer/M or Long/S it depends a little on how you like to ride I think.

    I would recommend a Longer/M if you tend towards being quite a rider that attacks trails and likes to push. I have 'sized up' and don't regret it at all especially as my pedalling position/cockpit is the same as on the smaller size.

    My good friend who is only 1cm smaller rides the Long or S as it is still longer than most XL bikes in reach and has a 620mm ETT and is very happy indeed.

    There is scope to make either size slightly longer and shorter in both cockpit and reach without affecting the ride. Very few of the bikes go out as 'std' so to speak!

    The best way of all to find out is to ride one of course if at all possible.
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    Going to pull the trigger on the argon GLF. I see the nicolai built specs with wtb trailblazer for the rear. Honestly I'm not a fan of that tire. It's not even in plus width. Will the GLF clear 2.8 Nobby Nic or maxxis recons? Thanks in advance

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    Just for info the Mojo GeoMetron bikes will be different to the Nicolai G16 this year.
    Chris wanted to push the boundaries further based on customer experience and feedback. These geo's have all been used on many of the customer bikes out there right now.


    Key Mojo changes to 2017 model.

    83mm BB and wider bearing spacing of the G19 BB. Crank std not boost to give good chainline with boost rear but also more heel clearance, increased stiffness. There wasn't an issue with the previous designs stiffness but it's a side benefit of the design.

    62.5 HA referenced to 559mm a2c or 170mm fork. Giving inherent 62HA with 180mm fork and eff. 77deg SA.

    Size specific CS length; 449mm for Large size.
    I'll grab the other sizes/geo but basically the S and M have 445mm CS with 420mm and 440mm ST, the L and XL have 449mm with 460mm and 480mm ST and the XXL with the ETT beginning with a 7 has a 455mm CS and 500mm ST.

    All versions can use either 222 or 216 shock for 155mm or 170mm rear travel, as can the Nicolai. Both travel lengths can be set up to pedal/feel the same when pedalling.
    Sizes/terminology are

    small=Long 485mm reach
    Medium= Longer 502mm reach
    Large = Longest 520mm reach
    XL = Longesterer 535mm reach
    XXL = Longesterer+ 555mm reach

    *I made the last name up but the numbers are right...

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    I was wondering if there going to offer a longer travel 29? or Could you run a long travel fork and a longer stroke shock on the g13
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    How do I get a GeoMetron 29er? Either from Mojo or Nicolai?

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    Ok. You can run a longer fork and longer stroke shock on the 29 according to my friends at Mojo, expect 150mm of travel, could go to 160mm front. That means an X2 (leaving aside recent publicity) at 200mm.

    You can get a G13 from Mojo or Nicolai direct. If you want a full fat Mojo GeoMetron 29 as previously built you could go custom or potentially even more custom with the same mods as being made to the Mojo GeoMetron that differentiate it from the Nicolai G16 so HA, BB width etc.

    If you need any help with contacts or anything just PM me and I'll sort you out.

    There are also some deals available on the last few 2016 GeoMetrons from the current batch. Get in touch with Paul at Mojo on that front or again I can put you in touch.

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    ^I sent Mojo a general contact email two days ago.
    Was wondering about differences between Mojo frames and Nicolai frames.

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    So for G13 no major changes beyond the fact Mojo will likely fit a longer shock and make it slacker with a headset (to put the seat angle back) (based on my discussions) neither of which Nicolai wanted to do at this stage. We discussed 83mm BB too but G16 likely to be more distance/trail oriented than the G16/GeoMetron.

    Want to try it set up with a 27.5 rear wheel but geometry corrected, wanted the chain stay yoke changing to allow this and that has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    So for G13 no major changes beyond the fact Mojo will likely fit a longer shock and make it slacker with a headset (to put the seat angle back) (based on my discussions) neither of which Nicolai wanted to do at this stage. We discussed 83mm BB too but G16 likely to be more distance/trail oriented than the G16/GeoMetron.

    Want to try it set up with a 27.5 rear wheel but geometry corrected, wanted the chain stay yoke changing to allow this and that has changed.
    Interesting-is the idea of a G13 with 29 front/27.5 rear based on using a 29 front wheel in the standard Geometron? I have also been following the thread on STW and saw that this was something that was being tested. If so, I would be very interested to know what you have found the advantages/characteristics of such a setup to be.

    The reason I ask is that I've been thinking about one of these bikes for a while, but I want more travel than the G13 (since I'll be going to the Alps a bit next year) and also don't really want to give up what I see to be the advantage of 29er wheels i.e. rollover. So I was considering a custom 29er as suggested a few posts up. But I've been wondering whether a standard Geometron/G16 with a 29er front wheel may be a good option as well. From a performance point of view, I would expect this to have the characteristics I like in long travel 29ers (i.e. carry speed well through rough ground) but with a lighter, stiffer back wheel probably accelerating better than a 29, without much loss in rollover ability since it's following along. If this is true, then I'll most likely be looking seriously at one of these as my next bike...

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    Chris Porter is riding his standard GeoMetron with a 29er front wheel for the past 6 months and now loves it. He might not tell anyone that in print, but he does.

    Obviously it is reduced to 160mm travel at the front. It is a good combination and the effect of the rear having tighter turn radius than the front is the real benefit over a std 29er imho. with the rear 29er wheel not having the same benefit as the front in terms of rollover for a number of reasons.

    I can feed back on the G13 when we have a bit more time on it regarding the travel but it's going to be 150mm rear.

    I can find out what it does to the angles on the std bike, I'll just ask Chris to measure them, BB height and SA will be affected but not enough to make adjustment with either some shock bushes and saddle position effective. The shock bushes may be welcome anyway to get the HA nailed around the 62 mark.

    I am going to try my G13 as described above so will let you know how I get on..it's just arrived in the UK

    As for Mojo G16s

    G16ís WK51 16 being delivered
    G16ís WK2 8 being delivered

    Still a few of the 2016 Mojo bike left with great packages. 2016 bike is bonza in my view, I'm in no rush to change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    As for Mojo G16s

    G16ís WK51 16 being delivered
    G16ís WK2 8 being delivered
    I'm trying to figure out what this means. Besides 24 frames close to being in stock.

    I'll be curious to hear about your take on the G13 with increased travel.

    Can you post up some geo numbers for the GeoMetron 29 as well?

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    GeoMetron 29 is a custom bike basically but the geometry was exactly the same as for the 27.5 but with 450mm chain stays.
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    Great information, thanks!

    I hadn't considered the effect of the smaller rear wheel on turn radius until reading that but I can see how that would work, probably enough to look seriously at making one my next bike.

    I've been thinking about what suspension to use on it since I have a 160 pike and ccdba, but given that the tuned Fox suspension sounds to be a large part of the characteristics of these bikes I'm thinking that could be the way to go.

    The other thing is sizing-I'm 182 cm tall, had a short test ride of a Longer G13 at eurobike this year and liked the fit of that but after reading this thread again I'm thinking about the Longest. I'd be very interested to know about the deals on the 2016 G16 frames...

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    At 175cm tall with the same tip to tip wingspan, which size should I be looking at?
    I rode a 17" Trek Slash 29 and loved it. Rode a Santa Cruz High Tower in large and really didn't like it.

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