• 09-22-2007
    Whafe
    Nicolai Ion ST - Setup Database
    Nicolai Ion ST owners please post your setups.

    Potential owners view, compare, drool & gain insight etc!

    Nicolai Linky

    Also "no flames please" you can do that on other posts or create a new one if you need to vent, let this be an information data base to assist not to attack or hinder. We can hopefully build a great source of valuable information.

    Post pictures of your build also......

    Riding terrain conditions:

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc

    * Frame, Size, & Color:
    * Fork:
    * Shock, i2i, stroke
    * Brakes:
    * Cranks:
    * Shifter:
    * Rear Derailleur:
    * Pedals:
    * Stem:
    * Handlebar:
    * Seatpost:
    * Saddle:
    * Bottom Bracket:
    * Cassette:
    * Chain:
    * Headset:
    * Grips:
    * Front Tire:
    * Front Rim/ Spokes:
    * Front Hub/Skewer:
    * Rear Tire:
    * Rear Rim:
    * Rear Hub/Skewer:
    * Cables:
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight:
  • 04-11-2008
    pauljamesgallagher






    * note: Stem is now different from pictures, chain device has been rotated, grips are different, and Boxxers crowns have been raised :D

    Riding terrain conditions: Downhill, and off as many big, fast jumps as I can

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc

    178cm, 12st 4lbs, dirt jumping, downhill, anything really, some XC

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Medium; Anodised Black and red finishing kit
    * Fork: 2007 Boxxer Teams
    * Shock: Fox DHX5
    * Brakes: Avid Juicy 7
    * Pedals: Funn Slowjam Vipers
    * Stem: Burgtec Boxxer Intergrated - 40mm
    * Handlebar: Truvativ Husselfelt 720mm low-rise
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    * Saddle: THE DH
    * Chain: Sram
    * Headset: Nicoli Fet Set
    * Grips: ODI Ourys
    * Shitfer: Shimano Saint
    * Rear Mech: XT Shadow
    * BB/Chainset: Saint 170mm
    * Chain Device: E13 SRS with Black 36 tooth supercharger
    * Chainring: E-13 G-Ring - 36 tooth
    * Front Tire: Maxxis High Roller Super Tacky 2.5 / Mixxis Minion F 60a 2.5
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Minion R 60a 2.5
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic 729
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro II
    * Rear Rim/ Spokes: Mavic 729
    * Rear Hub: Hope Pro II
    * Cables: Cheap as chips!
  • 08-03-2008
    Whafe
    Height: 6'3.5, 83 Kg's, Bum of a rider

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Large, Raw
    * Fork: 08 Fox 40
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: RS Vivid
    * Brakes: Magura Louise
    * Cranks: Deity Vendetta
    * Shifter: XO
    * Rear Derailleur: XO Short Cage
    * Pedals: Time
    * Stem: Deity
    * Handlebar: Deity
    * Seatpost: Deity
    * Saddle: Fizik Zerk
    * Bottom Bracket: Deity
    * Cassette: Shimano Dura Ace 11 - 23
    * Chain: SRAM Hollowpin 990
    * Headset: Chris King Steelset
    * Grips: ODI Rogue
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Minion
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic EX823, DT Super Comp
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hadley, 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Minion
    * Rear Rim: Mavic EX823, DT Super Comp
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hadley, 12mm
    * Cables:
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight: Have not weighed as yet...







  • 09-17-2008
    geetee1972
    3 Attachment(s)
    Here's my spec (you've seen the bike in the 'Just put my order in....' thread. The number next to the item is its weight in grams, mostly taken from the Sicklines website. Total weight follows beneath the spec.

    My sepc - 6ft tall, 104kg / 230lbs
    Riding - DH race & recreation
    Colour is Metallic British Racing Green with a bright white rear

    Frame Nicolai Ion ST (large) 5200
    Fork Rock Shox World Cup 2816
    Headset Chris King Steel Set 230
    Front Brake Formula The One 259
    Rear Brake Formula The One 272
    Front Rotor Formula 200 181
    Rear Rotor Formula 200 181
    Rear Axle 12mm 112
    Rotor Bolts Formula 14
    Rim Mavic 823 1432
    Spokes DT Swiss D/B 234
    Front Hub Chris King 180
    Rear Hub Hadley 150mm/12mm 400
    Crank Arms Race Face Atlas 165mm 714
    Chain Guide e.13 SRS 250
    Chainring e.13 36t 51
    Tyres Maxxis High Rollers 2400
    Tubes Spesh Medium Weight 500
    Chain Sram PC991 302
    Pedals Burgtec 700
    Shock Fox DHX 5 420
    Spring Fox Ti 450
    Seatpost SDG 230
    Seat Collar Salsa 53
    Seat SDG Ultralite 145
    Rear Mech Shimano Saint 233
    Shifter Shimano XTR 112
    Cables Goodridge 80
    Shock Bolts Stock 140
    Cassette Dura Ace 11-23 160
    Stem Burgtec Direct Mount 196
    Handlebar Burgtec RW 270
    Grips Odi Ruffians 69
    BB Hope Stainless Steel 150

    Total Weight KG 19.136
    Weight LBS 42.0992
  • 09-17-2008
    yetiman71
    Wow! Absolutely stunning. Nice build spec.
  • 09-18-2008
    samwell
    Yeah nice build, but I'm wondering why your Ion is heavier than mine... My tubes are XC ones, and my pedals are really lighter (wellgo mg1), but I've got a 888, my spring isn't a Ti one, my brakes, stem, seatpost, crank are both heavier !
    Is the weight an estimation, or did you weight it ?
  • 09-18-2008
    geetee1972
    No didn't weigh it at all. I just got the published weights for all the components. These were mostly taken from Sicklines so they should be pretty reliable. There are a couple of items that might not be 100% accurate, perhaps 500g out? The big discrepancy however could be in the frame. I have that down as 5.2kg with no shock. That is the figure published in the 2008 brochure/website. The new brochure is saying 4.1kg, which is a big difference. It may be that they have lightened it and stopped quoting with a shock, in which case you would lop 2lbs of the weight I have here.
  • 09-19-2008
    samwell
    We've discussed this with Whafe, and the 4.1kg in the catalog has to be an error. Nothing seems to have to changed on the frame...
    Ooooh i've found why you've got the wrong weight, the frame is at 5.2kg WITH the Dhx coil and steel spring ....
    So your bike must be around 18.2 kilos, which is lighter than mine (18.6kg), so it's fine now !
    Anyway, you're gonna love this bike !
  • 09-19-2008
    geetee1972
    Yeah I remember the thread but it's probably not a mistake, they're probably just quoting the frame weight minus the shock now, rather than including it. A DHX weighs 450g sans spring, so with a steel spring, it's going to weigh around a kilo, maybe a touch more. So, take that kilo off the original weight and you get to 4.1kg.

    I was thinking that mine didn't feel as though it weighed 42 lbs!
  • 11-23-2008
    xMARTINx
    my ion
  • 11-24-2008
    lornibear
    There are some lovely green Ions about these days, a sweet ride there my friend, any idea of the weight?
  • 11-24-2008
    derekr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xMARTINx
    my ion

    Loving that; Very sweet bud :D
  • 11-24-2008
    geetee1972
    What type of green is that? Green is definitely the way forward - way to go Martin!
  • 11-24-2008
    xMARTINx
    the coler called "british racing green",the weight is 19,6kg(43,211lbs),in 2009 comes the new boxxer wc,new saintcranks and other stuff on the bike,finally i hope for 18-18,5kg
    the ion ist a great ride,better than my old m-pire!
  • 11-24-2008
    geetee1972
    Ah, good old BRG - I have mine also in BRG but it's the metallic version.
  • 11-24-2008
    samwell
    Very sweet Ion !
  • 11-24-2008
    xMARTINx
    thanks!!!
    but you cant`t get the british racing green for your next nicolai because the producer of the color is gone!
    and i forget,this is ion no.8!!!one of the first productionframes
  • 11-24-2008
    geetee1972
    I did wonder why the colour was not being shown on their website anymore. This is a shame because I was thinking of getting a Helius AM in the same Metallic BRG/White as my Ion.
  • 04-02-2009
    samwell
    Some updates on my Ion :
    New brakes : Avid elixir R 203/203
    New fork : Boxxer WC
    New handlebar : Funn full on 750mm
    New tires : Maxxis Minion DH Front 2.5 42a and 60a
    Approximative weight : 18.1kg for now
    Comming soon :
    Titanium spring (already bought)
    New Shimano saint 09 cranks

    The lighter the bike becomes, the funnier to ride it is !!!

  • 04-03-2009
    geetee1972
    The Saint cranks should knock another half kilo or so off the weight. What are the Elixir brakes like?
  • 04-03-2009
    samwell
    I should win 300gr with the saint cranks (only 30gr heavier than the atlas FR), and 200gr with the Ti spring.
    The elixir are really good, same braking power as the formula the one, and a bit lighter ! Really better than my old juicy 7.
  • 04-20-2009
    tmseth



    about 20 kg

    Riding terrain conditions: french alps

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc
    1m78, 88kg, dh and fr
    * Frame, Size, & Color: ion st size m, brilliant black with chrome stickers
    * Fork: 888 rc with BOS cartridge
    * Shock, i2i, stroke ccdb 222 mm x 70 mm
    * Brakes: magura louise fr
    * Cranks: fun
    * Shifter: shimano deore
    * Rear Derailleur: shimano 105
    * Pedals: brave machine "the killah"
    * Stem: danger boy integrated for 888
    * Handlebar: funn "full on"
    * Seatpost: funn
    * Saddle: ixs freeride
    * Bottom Bracket: funn dh
    * Cassette: shimano 105 (11/26)
    * Chain: shimano xt
    * Headset: accros ah07
    * Grips: odi lock on
    * Front Tire: michelin dh16 2.5"
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: mavic ex 521 / dt champion
    * Front Hub/Skewer: quad
    * Rear Tire: maxxis larsen tt wire super tacky 2.35
    * Rear Rim: mavic ex 521 / dt champion
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: quad
    * Cables: shimano
    * Misc: acerbis mud guard
    * Overall Weight: 20kg
  • 04-20-2009
    0007
    you're 2kg heavier than the others ? is it the fork ?
  • 04-20-2009
    tmseth
    maybe, the fun components are not very light too (especially the crankset and the seat post) and the rear hub (quad) is pretty heavy, the mudguard and freeride saddle (ixs) don't help to decrease overal weight.
    but the bike is really easy to handle, it never seems you have a so heavy bike when you ride it (so, I'm 90 kg completely nude and it sure relativized the weight of the bike too!)
    if you comes for the "portes du soleil" opening on the 6th of june, you'll try it ;)
    that's very different of the mpire you had (before the robbery during your vacation last year... ): I'm sure you'll love it... ;)

    edit: I've forgot, the bravemachine pedals are really heavy (more than 1 kg with the cromo axle...)
  • 04-20-2009
    0007
    woo, pas de problème, l'ouverture des PDS, je serai là ;)
    j'aurai mon UFO ST !
  • 04-20-2009
    tmseth
    cool! normally there will be a lot of nicolaï rider's for this week-end!
  • 04-20-2009
    Whafe
    Looks sweet tmseth, add in some action shots on the action shots thread....

    Enjoy....
  • 02-18-2010
    raschaa
    * 189cm, 78kg, allround DH/FR style
    * Frame, Size, & Color: IonST, L, raw + titanium grey ano parts
    * Fork: Boxxer Team 2010
    * Shock, Vivid + RCS Ti 450x2.75
    * Brakes: Formula The One "00/200
    * Cranks: Saint 175 + e13 36t
    * Shifter: X-9 Trigger
    * Rear Derailleur: X-9 MidCage
    * Pedals: NC-17 Sudpin SIII Pro
    * Stem: Sixpack Splitz direct mount
    * Handlebar: Sunline V-1 745mm
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    * Saddle: Selle SLR T1
    * Bottom Bracket: Saint
    * Cassette: PG-990
    * Chain: PC-991 crossstep
    * Headset: Nukeproof (Reset coming)
    * Grips: LizardSkins Northshore
    * Front Tire: Schwalbe Muddy Mary UST
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Deemax Ultimate
    * Rear Tire: Schwalbe Muddy Mary UST
    * Rear Rim: Deemax Ultimate
    * Misc: 77Designz Freesolo Chainguide + Bash
    * Overall Weight: 16,8kg (37lbs.) :eek:





    I can hardly wait for the damned snow to melt....
    Greetz from Germany
  • 02-18-2010
    rpm100
    Love it!
    Raw is such a lovley finish.

    Just don't let the salt from the roads get on it ;)
  • 02-18-2010
    raschaa
    roger that but at the moment thats a non issue, german highways agency ran out of salt weeks ago :D
  • 02-18-2010
    Whafe
    Sweet sweet looking ION, go the raw, thats 2 raw ION's now, love it..... Enjoy that bad girl...
  • 03-07-2010
    derekr
    There was a cracking ION ST on Ebay a few weeks ago in the old team colours (White/yellow/black) buy it now for £3k full super high spec, i wonder who gotit - hopefully someone will post it on here eventually!
  • 03-07-2010
    derekr
    Raschaa : Stunning ride dude enjoy that weapon!
  • 03-07-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by derekr
    There was a cracking ION ST on Ebay a few weeks ago in the old team colours (White/yellow/black) buy it now for £3k full super high spec, i wonder who gotit - hopefully someone will post it on here eventually!

    derekr - what was the item no ?
  • 03-07-2010
    derekr
    Nae sure dude, i did bookmark it @ work i'll check the morn and see if i can find it but it was an absolute cracker of a build, someone had spent an awful lot of dosh on it and was taking a pretty big hit on it!!! I'll Phone me the morrrow and remind me,
  • 03-21-2010
    cyril_88
    Next ride yesterday with a ion st and ion gb2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfvcZFy0nYg

    To begin the week in action ;)
  • 04-07-2010
    raschaa
    Update time ;)

    Did the RAW routine on the Boxxer crowns and casting, swapped the top crown for a Hope with integrated stem, SLR-TT saddle, went down on the spring from 450 to 400 at 200mm setting. thinking of going for a solo-air cart to drop some more weight...

    exactly 16,5kg (36,38lbs)
    if you want to see the pics larger, click for new window and then click "großes Bild" below pic


  • 04-07-2010
    Whafe
    Dam that is a mean a s s ION ST, Love it......
  • 04-07-2010
    raschaa
    that was a quick reply :D
    thx Whafe
  • 04-17-2010
    cyril_88
    a little video of ION ST & ION GB2 :thumbsup: http://vimeo.com/11006245
  • 04-19-2010
    Karve
    Wow that is super light now for sure. How did you raw the crown?
  • 04-19-2010
    Karve
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cyril_88
    a little video of ION ST & ION GB2 :thumbsup: http://vimeo.com/11006245

    Super smooth rear shots - what cam did you use? Did you do any post processing to keep it so smooth?
  • 04-19-2010
    cyril_88
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Karve
    Super smooth rear shots - what cam did you use? Did you do any post processing to keep it so smooth?

    I use a HERO GOPRO HD, it's without any processing i just have a pre processing call ION GB2:thumbsup:

    I prepare the same video see by my friend who follow me, he have the same cam on his chest in the same run
  • 05-26-2010
    rpm100
    ...
  • 05-26-2010
    geetee1972
    It's a beast. Did it come from Moonglu?
  • 05-26-2010
    rpm100
    ....
  • 05-27-2010
    raschaa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Karve
    Wow that is super light now for sure. How did you raw the crown?

    maybe I should call it a Ion SL :D

    crowns were chem stripped and then I "sanded/honed" them only in one direction with
    at 240 (sorry, don't know the english term...), then passivated them by cooking in dest. water for 2 hrs. which gave them a slight titanium shade of color.



    sorry about the delayed response, somehow don't get regular reply notifications... :confused:
  • 07-01-2010
    rpm100
    Just finished doing up the M-pire.

    Frame, Size, & Color: M-pire, M, Ral 3002
    * Fork: Fox 40
    * Shock: DHX 5
    * Brakes: Quad deuce DH 203 F+R
    * Cranks: Atlas FR
    * Shifter: XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: XTR
    * Pedals: Mallets
    * Stem: Gravity
    * Handlebar: Gravity
    * Seatpost: Thomson
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Diablous
    * Cassette: Ultegra
    * Chain: 991
    * Headset: CK Steelset
    * Grips: Answer
    * Front Rim: DTswiss 6.1
    * Front Hub: Chris King
    * Rear Rim: DT swiss 6.1
    * Rear Hub: DT Swiss Hugi FR 165.
    * Cables: Goodridge
    * Overall Weight: A lot :)



  • 07-11-2010
    Uncle Cliffy
    Hey ION ST owners, I've read all the info I can from the website and this thread, but I was curious of a couple measurements in real life.

    What kind of BB height and head angle are you guys getting? I'm thinking about a large with a 888 EVO Ti.
  • 07-12-2010
    geetee1972
    I have since sold my Ion as I am no longer able to use it, but I made these measurements of my own, which was a large.

    HA was measuring 63.5 degrees using the Clinometer app on my iPhone and BB was coming in at a shade under 14".

    At the kind of normal speeds most of us are riding, the HA might be deemed too slack.On very steep terrain, the bike was actually a little tricky to control. I think this fashion towards super slack HAs is being driven by what the Elite boys are capable of doing and it's just not realistic for the vast majority of us riding at maybe 50-70% of their pace. IMO of course.
  • 07-12-2010
    raschaa
    HA and BB height will vary depending on fork A2C dimension and the position of the rear damper sled which can be moved in (I believe it was) 4mm increments...
    If I knew how to get a fairly accurate HA reading I'd measure my L Ion with the Boxxer but I'm not really sure how to go about it...
  • 07-31-2010
    bill34di
    it would be nice at least to measure how much bb height change difference when moving the shock sled lowest to highest.
  • 08-10-2010
    norcosam
    Riding terrain conditions:

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc-
    6ft2", 225lbs Dh/Freeride

    * Frame, Size, & Color:ION-st 2008.Large Raw, Red extras
    * Fork:2008 Fox 40 RC2 with 2009 Upper crown
    * Shock, i2i, stroke- Rockshox Vivid 500lbs x 2.75 steel spring
    * Brakes:Avid elixir cr carbon 203mm Fr/Rr
    * Cranks:deity Vendetta
    * Shifter:sram X0
    * Rear Derailleur:sram XO
    * Pedals:Shimano dx spd
    * Stem:Straitline direct mount
    * Handlebar:Easton Monkeylite carbon dh
    * Seatpost: Thomson
    * Saddle:SDG grand prix
    * Bottom Bracket:deity
    * Cassette:Xt 11-32
    * Chain:sram
    * Headset:Chris King steel
    * Grips:ODI lockons with Straitline end caps
    * Front Tire:Maxxis Minnion 2.5 dh st
    * Front Rim/ Spokes:Mavic 823
    * Front Hub/Skewer:Hadley 20mm
    * Rear Tire:Maxxix Minnion 2.5 dh st
    * Rear Rim:Mavic 823
    * Rear Hub/Skewer:Hadley 12x150
    * Cables:
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight:40+ lbs
  • 09-05-2010
    HeadofaHessian
    How long did it take to get your frames from the time you ordered it to when you had it in your hands?
  • 09-23-2010
    Smirnof
    the black horse..
    Riding terrain conditions:
    steep slopes with rocks, roots and mud, wild trails in the forests... never seen a bikepark:madman:
    * Rider height, weight, ride style: I'm 1,76m, 72 kg, Dh/Freeride, sometimes allmountain.

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Nicolai Ion ST 2009, Small, Black anodised, Red extras
    * Fork: 2009 RockShox Boxxer World Cup with tall upper crown
    * Shock, Marzocchi Roco World Cup RC 350lbs x 3.00 Fox steel spring
    * Brakes:203mm disc- Shimano Saint front, 180mmdisc- Avid Juicy 3 rear
    * Cranks:Shimano Saint
    * Shifter: Shimano Deore
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano Saint
    * Pedals: Echo red
    * Stem: DaBomb, Boxxer direct mount, white
    * Handlebar: Sunline V1 Limited Edition blue
    * Seatpost: Truvativ XR
    * Saddle:WTB
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano Saint
    * Cassette: SRAM 11-23
    * Chain: SRAM PG 951
    * Headset: Reset Racing 118 HDAL-2
    * Grips: Prodigy black
    * Front Tire: Intense 909 EX 2 ISO 2.3
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Sun Ringle Single Track/ DT Swiss
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Novatec 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis High Roller 2.5
    * Rear Rim/ Spokes: Mavic 325/ DT Swiss
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Shimano Saint 12x150
    * Cables: -
    * Misc: helicopter tape 3M under cable route
    * Overall Weight: ~ 17.8 kg or less...







  • 09-24-2010
    Whafe
    The ION is still one of the sickest looking DH bikes one can perve at....

    Looks sweet smirnof and welcome to the forums, bombard us with action shots in the monthly action pics thread....
  • 09-24-2010
    Smirnof
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Whafe
    The ION is still one of the sickest looking DH bikes one can perve at....

    Hey Whafe, why here on MTBR are no reviews about the Ion ST, only quick ratings?

    The frame is too good to be reviewed, I supose...:D
  • 09-24-2010
    norcosam
    Smirnof,That is very nice mate,Love my ION,Have you ridden it yet?
  • 09-27-2010
    Smirnof
    ...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by norcosam
    Smirnof,That is very nice mate,Love my ION,Have you ridden it yet?

    Yeap... i'm riding it since May (but not a single ride in June because it has been raining all month :madman: ), with different pedals and different handlebars. The bike is in a continuous upgrade, so... I change its configuration permanently. Next I'm looking for a titanium spring, a new seatpost/ saddle and for sure a Shimano Saint rear brake, because the Juicy 3 with a 180 mm disc is tired enough from such abuse :rolleyes: .
  • 09-27-2010
    Whafe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Smirnof
    Yeap... i'm riding it since May (but not a single ride in June because it has been raining all month :madman: ), with different pedals and different handlebars. The bike is in a continuous upgrade, so... I change its configuration permanently. Next I'm looking for a titanium spring, a new seatpost/ saddle and for sure a Shimano Saint rear brake, because the Juicy 3 with a 180 mm disc is tired enough from such abuse :rolleyes: .

    Check out the 2011 Codes, had a wee ride on a mates Knolly yesterday that have a new set on, very nice indeed... In my short ride, better than the Saints, of which are really good..... Me though, am hooked on Magura brakes... Best feel in my book of any brakes....
  • 10-22-2010
    sikocycles
    Thinking of getting on of these frames. How do they ride?
  • 10-22-2010
    geetee1972
    Sikocycles

    They are very neutral, nicely balanced, predictable and easy to get along with. They come up short for their size, so a medium is equivalent to some manufacturers small, but in terms of proportion, they are short back and long front. In many respects it felt a lot like the original Spesh Demo 8, which had a long front centre mated to a super short rear end.

    The suspension is completely unfussy; it just works in the background without making its presence felt. It's not the best of big square edged hits but it's more than good enough. It's at its best over fast, medium sized hits and it ramps up nicely.
  • 10-29-2010
    Smirnof
    Sikocycles, a few words...
    geetee is just right...
    But I would say a few more words.:D The ride on the Ion is quite unique: the short rear offers a more hardtail-ish feeling, and lets you control the front wheel much better, even on steep slopes. In the air is also maneuvrable (altough I'm not a jumper- I prefer staying as much as I can glued to the ground). The 4 bars system is also very well designed so you can pedal up very-very well, even uphill. Again a hardtail-ish feeling. This frame doesn't get you tired even after several descents. But what do I like most of all about this frame? it's the Astonishing Rigidity:eekster: : like walking on a string, you are able to follow up your lines with great accuracy in rock gardens, off-camber sections, wet roots, slippery sections, you'll name it. You can always feel the bike and follow YOUR line, not the gravitational/ inertia line of the bike down the track. It's like holding a surgery knife. All depends on you. :cool: It's so good that you can't even drift with the bike. That's why it's a fast one. When I start drifting, I know for sure it's due to improper tires or excessive/ hard braking.
    And there are so much many things to say...;)
  • 01-10-2011
    northernwig
    Hi all,

    My apologies if this isn't the correct thread for this query, but i'm looking for a little info on the suspension settings. Having just bought an Ion St i'm unsure as to what the different settings do to the suspension. In particular the difference in the two shock positions on the linkage and the effect of moving the shock on the front mounts?

    Any advice would be very mucha appreciated!

    P.S. As soon as i've completed the build i'll post a full spec and photo
  • 01-10-2011
    geetee1972
    Hi Northernwig,

    The top hole gives just over 200mm of travel while the bottom hole gives around 230mm of travel.

    Most people, including the Nicolai World Cup team, run the bikes in the shorter travel setting as the bike is more responsive and gives more feedback this way.

    The effect of travel reduction is acheived by increasing the leverage force on the shock (and therefore reducing the leverage ratio), i.e. more leverage means the rear wheel will move a greater amount through it's travel for each mm of travel on the shock.

    This means you will need to change the spring between the two settings in order to keep the right spring weight.

    The shuttle mounts are not designed for adjusting the geometry of the bike, but moving the shuttle fore or aft, will have this effect.

    Moving the mounts forwards, will raise the rear wheel, drop the bottom bracket and slacken the head angle. However, it may also cause the rear wheel to collide with the seat tube, so doing this is done at your own discrection and you should check to see if the wheel does interfere with the ST or not.

    I doubt you'd need/want to do it though. The bike rides just fine as it is.
  • 01-10-2011
    northernwig
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geetee1972
    Hi Northernwig,

    The top hole gives just over 200mm of travel while the bottom hole gives around 230mm of travel.

    Most people, including the Nicolai World Cup team, run the bikes in the shorter travel setting as the bike is more responsive and gives more feedback this way.

    The effect of travel reduction is acheived by increasing the leverage force on the shock (and therefore reducing the leverage ratio), i.e. more leverage means the rear wheel will move a greater amount through it's travel for each mm of travel on the shock.

    This means you will need to change the spring between the two settings in order to keep the right spring weight.

    The shuttle mounts are not designed for adjusting the geometry of the bike, but moving the shuttle fore or aft, will have this effect.

    Moving the mounts forwards, will raise the rear wheel, drop the bottom bracket and slacken the head angle. However, it may also cause the rear wheel to collide with the seat tube, so doing this is done at your own discrection and you should check to see if the wheel does interfere with the ST or not.

    I doubt you'd need/want to do it though. The bike rides just fine as it is.

    Thanks geetee1972, that's just what i was after. :thumbsup:
  • 01-10-2011
    raschaa
    Hey all,

    it's actually 197mm/217mm as stated in the official techsheet. why the hell they say 200/230 on their website probably only Kalle himself knows (I'll try to remember to ask him next time we meet)...

    I myself along with quite a few others in our club (we have 21 Ions going at the moment :eekster: ) have had nice results with the hi-travel position. Depends a lot on riding style, track and weather conditions. The Gates-Nicolai Team Riders do use the 217mm position as well, we get to race with them regularly here in Germany and I tend to keep an eye on things like that ;) Most people can use the same spring with both positions unless your on the very border from one spring rate to another to begin with.

    Yeah, moving the shuttle can be used to vary geo and I used to know the increments by how much the BB height and head angle would change per hole... but alas I have forgotten, that starts to happen when getting close to 50 :D Anyways the default setting is for sure the way to go and as far as I can recollect all that have messed with the shuttle have reverted to default because it is just fine that way!

    Just build it on up and ride it and do some testing of your own....

    Here a pic from our season kick off 2010:



    I can hardly wait for the snow to melt here...
  • 01-10-2011
    samwell
    Just to add my point of view, I've changed the shuttle on the front to lower the BB and I can't get back to the initial setting, it's just too good withe the low BB and the new head angle.
    So my advice is to try and choose what you prefer according to your riding style ! I rode the bike in 230mm, then 200mm and now i'm back since a few months to 230mm. For competition 200 is a bit faster but a bit more physical to control.
  • 01-10-2011
    northernwig
    Thanks all, i guess it's a lot about personal preference, as always! Just a quick question, that's probably obvious, but what is the default position for the shuttle? Is that just when it's aligned with the frame?
  • 01-10-2011
    Karve
    wow look at all those NICs awsome
  • 01-11-2011
    raschaa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by northernwig
    Thanks all, i guess it's a lot about personal preference, as always! Just a quick question, that's probably obvious, but what is the default position for the shuttle? Is that just when it's aligned with the frame?

    Yepp, in the end its all about what works for you. Default position depends on frame size... what do you have?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Karve
    wow look at all those NICs awsome

    nice huh? that was about 2,5 months in to our sponsorship deal with Kalle. First order was 8 Ion St, 2 Ion G-BoxxII, 1 BMXTB, 1 Helius AM. Recently at our Christmas/Years End Party we totaled 21 Ion ST! plus 3 AFR. Sum suggested retail was 85.000,- Euros :eek: Team Gravity Pilots - Extra Love had top 10 finishers in almost all classes in German and European Downhill Cup. I'll post a pic of the 2011 season kick-off should be about 30 NICs by then :D
  • 01-11-2011
    northernwig
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa
    Yepp, in the end its all about what works for you. Default position depends on frame size... what do you have?

    I have a Medium size frame raschaa.
  • 01-11-2011
    raschaa
    to make things simple here is a pic of an M frame in default position:

  • 01-11-2011
    northernwig
    Thanks raschaa, thats very helpful. Nice colour scheme too!
  • 01-30-2011
    norcosam
    Ion-st
    Few changes.

    Saint cranks,Thomson seatpost,few more red bits

  • 01-30-2011
    ianpinder
    Nice, where did you get the coloured saint bolt from
  • 01-30-2011
    norcosam
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ianpinder
    Nice, where did you get the coloured saint bolt from


    Had the standard gold one re-anodised red.
  • 01-30-2011
    Whafe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa
    nice huh? that was about 2,5 months in to our sponsorship deal with Kalle. First order was 8 Ion St, 2 Ion G-BoxxII, 1 BMXTB, 1 Helius AM. Recently at our Christmas/Years End Party we totaled 21 Ion ST! plus 3 AFR. Sum suggested retail was 85.000,- Euros :eek: Team Gravity Pilots - Extra Love had top 10 finishers in almost all classes in German and European Downhill Cup. I'll post a pic of the 2011 season kick-off should be about 30 NICs by then :D

    30 Nicolai's that is like music to ones ears.. AWESOME

    So must get us a photo of 30 Nicolai's lined up......
  • 01-30-2011
    Whafe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by norcosam
    Few changes.

    Saint cranks,Thomson seatpost,few more red bits

    Oh yeah, yumminess
  • 01-31-2011
    raschaa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Whafe
    30 Nicolai's that is like music to ones ears.. AWESOME

    So must get us a photo of 30 Nicolai's lined up......


    will do, if we manage to get all of them together at the same time ;)

    and since we all love looking at Nics, a few pics to whet your appetite:

    (Pics link to german mtb-news.de, klick on "groß" below pic for max resolution)


    The RAW Brigade ;)


  • 02-17-2011
    rpm100
    The most amazing bike I have ever owned. It breaks my heart that its for sale, due to a new project. :(
    PM me if interested.

  • 02-17-2011
    Karve
    whats the new project mate?
  • 02-20-2011
    Leehead3
    Pictures really dont do the bike any justice, i have one sat in my kitchen right now , will post pictures and spec later
  • 04-12-2011
    rpm100
    Sorry if you guys are bored of this bike but a new owner means new bits and bobs! Mainly wider bars (atlas Fr uncut) and new V2's, ti spring to follow.

  • 04-12-2011
    geetee1972
    LOL that really is the MTBR Nicolai User Group 'Bike' isn't it.

    For those who did not either grow up in the UK or if you did, didn't go to a comprehensive secondary school, a 'bike' is a slang term for someone, usually female, who is liberal with he favours, i.e. everyone's had a ride....
  • 05-13-2011
    raschaa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Whafe
    30 Nicolai's that is like music to ones ears.. AWESOME

    So must get us a photo of 30 Nicolai's lined up......

    As promised... from our 2011 season kick-off meeting
    sorry the pic doesn't do all the bikes justice, 24 IonST, 1 IonGB, 1 AFR, 1 AM (another 7 Ion, 2 AM, 1 BMXTB owners couldn't make it)

  • 05-13-2011
    Whafe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa
    As promised... from our 2011 season kick-off meeting
    sorry the pic doesn't do all the bikes justice, 24 IonST, 1 IonGB, 1 AFR, 1 AM (another 7 Ion, 2 AM, 1 BMXTB owners couldn't make it)

    Fantastic shot, more please, cant get enough of those... That is for sure the best pose of Nicolai on the planet all in one spot....

    Thanks for sharing
  • 05-14-2011
    ianpinder
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa
    As promised... from our 2011 season kick-off meeting
    sorry the pic doesn't do all the bikes justice, 24 IonST, 1 IonGB, 1 AFR, 1 AM (another 7 Ion, 2 AM, 1 BMXTB owners couldn't make it)


    The best thing about nicolai is that there are 27 nicolais there, and not onr is the same
  • 05-15-2011
    raschaa
    at our club meetings it's like Nic's all over the place :D

  • 05-21-2011
    raschaa
    got some more for ya!




    if you want to see more details klick the pic and choose the max resolution...
    let me know if this is to much "spamming"...
  • 12-24-2012
    samwell
    Here is the last and final update of my Ion, it is now for sale, and I will have to post my new bike in a few moths on another nicolai thread :-)



  • 01-22-2013
    samwell
    Paid spam : if anyone is interested, I created an ad : Nicolai Ion ST size L - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories