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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    You can cut the standard tube to the length you want and therefore gain clearance.
    Probably very true, but the bike didn't come with one, so cutting down an old seatpost was a better option than ordering a piece of precision turned, anodised piece of German engineering!

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    This may sound like a daft question, but when you cut them down, do you get a bung to go in the end to stop **** getting in? and are the towers removable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    This may sound like a daft question, but when you cut them down, do you get a bung to go in the end to stop **** getting in? and are the towers removable?
    Yep, they bolt on. Have a look at the very first picture in the ST thread and you can see the stump which has a threaded hole in it for the mounting bolt because Laas isn't running a front mech.

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    No bung provided....but it probably would be a good idea....some foam would do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laars_
    Hey Err: Did you have any clearance issues with your Helius and the 66 ?

    I just switched to a 66 and I also have a CK steelset and the crown is not clearing the frame..

    Just changed from a boxxer to a 66 rc3 and cleared the downtube with a chris King. I believe you can buy a 5mm or a 10mm crown race with a steelset to clear the down tube. I think a Single Crown works best for the Beast. my bike now feels faster and more stable than before. more active suspension and the geometry is purrrfect with a single Crown. it felt totally different.

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    Hi Zero

    Would be interested to know if you compared RC3 with the Totem? Do you think I will have clearance issues with the Totem using a FSA or Cane Creek 1.5 headset?

    Some pics would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Hi Zero

    Would be interested to know if you compared RC3 with the Totem? Do you think I will have clearance issues with the Totem using a FSA or Cane Creek 1.5 headset?

    Some pics would be nice.
    RC3 and Totem? before I was thinking if getting totem coil not the 2 step but the boxxer was really cheap "on tight budget" so I bought it! didn't have a chance to ride a totem but a friend of mine had 66 on their bikes reign X1 and Glory Freeride! I was really impressed with the way their forks perform buttery smooth, responsive to small bumps and can take big hits without feeling of bottoming out the fork and very stiff! so I decided to make some changes and glad I did! with a single crown I can ride my bike without looking like a killer DH bike on my local trail and get less attention from other riders with 6 or 7 inch travel bikes.

    From those many nights I've searched, one things for sure if you have a 1 1/8 frame a chris king steelset with a thicker crown race will definitely clear your down tube and for a 1.5 frame a chris king will still clear your downtube depending on how tall are you adjustment knobs on the fork. I'm not sure about the FSA pig or cane creek coz when I was in the store comparing those 3 headset I noticed that the crown race of CK is thicker than those two and both the FSA PIG and Cane Creek had a flushed crown race to the lower cups.

    Do some research before you hammer that headset on the beast. it is such a bummer if you dont clear the downtube with those headset you mentioned. I'll post some pics later next week.

    Lucky on the 08 frames bro! those are slacker than the 07's I'm pretty sure when you are done putting it together it will be a killer ride! good luck.

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    my buddy's 66 internals was converted to RC3 without the those tall adjustment knobs

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    barely cleared the downtube hope this helps for future Helius ST owners with the old 1.5 frame thinking of going single crown. I think the 08 frame with a slacker HA will have no clearance issue because of the slacker HA.

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    Hey Zero
    Looking good....have you weighed it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Hey Zero
    Looking good....have you weighed it yet?
    its at 41 lbs right now the geometry feels right but I have to raise the BB and steepen the HA coz its too low at BB 13.3 we'll see how she feels after some tweaking!

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    Frame, Size, & Color: kawagrun
    size taillor : head angle 65,5, top tube 570mm, seat tube 420mm, bb height 340mm, Chain stay lenght 430mm...
    * Fork: bos engineering idylle pro
    * Shock: bos engineering s**toy
    * Brakes: magura louise bat carbon 8" sl rotor
    * Cranks: shimano xtr optimized
    * Shifters: sram x0
    * Rear Derailleur: sram x0
    * Pedals: twenty6 rally ti
    * Stem: Funn S-H with titanium
    * Handlebar: Funn fatboy 30mm
    * Seatpost: saso poc carbon titanium
    * Saddle: SDG fly
    * Cassette: shimano dura ace 9 speed 11x27
    * Chain: sram pc991 hollow pin
    * Headset: acros ah-07 signature serie
    * Grips: funn combat
    * Front Tire: schwalbe big betty 2.4
    * Rear Tire: Michelin dh24 2.2
    * Inner tubes: continental light
    * Complete wheelset: dt swiss 1750 n'duro
    * Chain guide: gamut p30
    * Chainring: e13
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    vinc 74, amazing bike.....interesting spec.

    Like to hear more about the ride and the BOS shock and forks and the twenty 6 pedals. Are the pedals the new larger ones? Like the colour combo.....can't quite make out the decal colour....are they silver?

    Building up an ST myself with Totems, CCDB, Saints, SRAM, Schwalbe etc.Probably will weigh just under 17kg.

    What part of France do you usually ride?

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    hi,
    the decal colour is chrome
    bos shox and ford is the best suspension that I could ride, the grip is enormous in all situation. the twenty6 rally is a little fragile but the finishing is very good ... for my next bike, i have ordered the chrome edition .
    (sorry for my very poor english )

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    great bike!

    chapeau!

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    hi vinc74, can't make out from photos what hole you are using.....what's your shock setting?

    How are your DT EX 1750's holding up.....I have some but they have gone out of shape very easily only doing XC? Now thinking I will need a tougher wheelset for the ST....probably Halo Freedoms, Azonic Outlaw rims or Mavic 823's? What do you think?

    Where's your riding, buddy?

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    I ride in the 200mm position, my show setting is n4
    the dt ex1750 is not the most solid wheel set, but they are very light.
    for a free ride and downhill usage, the mavic 823 or 721 is better . because with on 1750, it is necessary to ride very properly.
    I'm ride in French alpes, Les Gets, Morzine and Chatel

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    Hi vinc74, thanks for the feedback. I have one other question, please. How do the Magura BAT brakes compare with Saint's? I hear that the modulation of the BAT's is very nice, but are they powerfull enough? Just building up my Helius ST over the next few weeks and would like your advice on what is the better brake.
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    i haven't ride with the new saint's, but the magura is very mighty an tough. I'm not a lightweight rider

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    hey hey , salut Vinc' on te voit partt sur les posts Nicolai

    I've seen Vinc74 bike and it's an amazing rig !!! Too bad the pilot is not at the level of the bike , just kidding

    Have you thought about the new dee max on it ?

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    lol,
    the new dee max is for my next bike, I have found a world cup deemax ... the weight with paint is 1780gr for the pair.. in 150*12mm rear ..
    but my next bike will not also be funky . this helius st is the perfect geometri for me

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    Vinc74 - Kawa Green is the fastest colour, just so happens i'm waiting for my new FR in just that colour!

    Similar spec to your ST as in tailored 420 seat tube but 585 top tube and 66.5 deg HA.
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    yes it's the best colour

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    can you get the new DEEMAX in 135 x 12mm rear...can't tell from the website?

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    ya, it does existe, it's possible to pass the 10mm bolt to a through axle in 12mm, on a 135mm width

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    Just checked the price of the Deemax and I am wondering is it worth the price (500).....you could build an 823/hope pro 2 combo that would weigh around an esimated 2200g with db spokes, compared with 2160g for the standard Deemax, and you would save around 200.00? But perhaps it's cheaper in France?

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    nope, the deal is almost the same....
    The Dee Max is lighter on the rim, that makes it easier to pedal. The weight saving has much more sens when it's on a moving part such as the rim.

    The dilema of the Dee Max versus a build up on a 823 is a question of look and €€€.... and connexion with Mavic

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    New Helius St

    Here she is,

    Helius st 2009 geometry, small, black ano, double barrel, 73 mm bb shell, hammershmidt ready, 1.5 h tube

    Real frame weight with ccdb, steel spring, 1,5 head tube is 5.120 grams

    Wery intresting is the new cable passage under a plastic chainstay protector, functional and easy to change, keeps chain slap noise to minimum.

    BB height was set low, with open h angle, real bb height with totem and 200 rear travel option is 34.8 cm

    Bike was tested in Freeride Calssic in 2 alpes, everything seems so easy when compared to Orange frame with same components, think this is due to low bb compared to Orange 39 cm.

    Climbing is a nightmare, Orange seems a cc bike when compared
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    CS, another great looking ST. Please post the complete build. Where did you get those Totems?

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    Awesome ST bud congrats
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    Awesome ST bud congrats
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    Totems

    It is an home made Totem paintjob, easy on the lower legs, an awesome adventure for the union jack.
    Internals received some attentions too, mainly about very special lubrificants.

    Next step, should be a super smooth stanchions treatment for the season's end
    I live 2 km from Ferrari Reparto Corse and 25 from Ducati corse, so try to use their suppliers for something special
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    Thats an awesome paint job mate, did you do it yourself? Is that what you do for a job?
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    no it is not,
    it would be difficolut for me to earn money in that super competitive market,
    I'm a very modest amateur.
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    Very sweet looking ST CapS. Enjoy this bad a s s ST, post some action shots, will feed our stoke addiction....
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    Good job!



    * Frame, Size, & Color: HELIUS ST / LARGE / ANO PRONZE
    * Fork: MARZOCCHI 888 ATA WC
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: ROCK SHOX VIVID 5.1
    * Brakes: MAGURA LOUISE FR
    * Cranks: SHIMANO SLX
    * Guide: e13 LG1
    * Shifters: SHIMANO SAINT
    * Rear Derailleur: SHIMANO SLX
    * Pedals: SHIMANO DX
    * Stem: TRUVATIV HOLZFELLER
    * Handlebar: FUNN FATBOY 710mm
    * Seatpost: SDG i-Beam
    * Saddle: SDG FORMULA FX
    * Cassette: SHIMANO XT
    * Chain: SHIMANO HG
    * Headset: SYNCROS FR DEEP INSERT
    * Grips: LIZARD SKINS NORTH SHORE
    * Front Tire: NOKIAN NBX 2.5
    * Front Rim: SUN RINGLE EQUALIZER 31
    * Front Hub/Skewer: SHIMANO SAINT
    * Rear Tire: NOKIAN NBX 2.5
    * Rear Rim: SUN RINGLE EQUALIZER 31
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: SHIMANO SAINT

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    Hey fellow ST'ers. So how would i best tell if my '06 Helius ST is ano black or painted matt black??
    I was planning on stripping the frame to raw and/or paint in the future, but may reconsider this if its ano for obvious reasons.

    Couple of pics:






    ^^ anodized black or painted matt black?

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    Must be ano. Nice to see DB on this bike. Great looking bike...what are the forks?

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    I love the all black look. Nicely understated

    The scuff marks look similar to my black anodized FR so I assume it's not a painted frame.

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    Cheers for the comments.

    Hmm, okay so you two think its ano? I like the stealth look too, but i already have a stealth black stickerless MTB,

    my Intense 5.5evp...


    ...and i plan on keeping the Intense that way so i was wanting something a bit different for the big Nic, and everyone knows Nicolai's look great in raw. Brings all the amazing details out.
    Anyone know how to physically tell the difference between ano and matt paint??

    A quick spec:-
    FRAME: Nicolai Helius ST 2006, Medium, Matt black ano or paint?
    SHOCK: Cane Creek Double Barrel, Ti spring (currently set on second hole from top)
    FORK: Marzocchi 66RCX2 2006, 170mm
    CRANKS: Saint with E13 guide & bashie
    BRAKES: Saint with 8" rotor F&R
    DRIVETRAIN: SRAM X9 mech + shifter, XT cassette
    BARS: Easton EA50 riser
    HEADSET: Chris King
    SEAT: WTB Laser V Ti

    She pedals great but does weight a bit (20kg give or take) but is in need of a new wheelset & tyres, so I'm hoping to cut a little pork during that upgrade. Everything else functions fine and gets the job done so I see little need for an upgrade, apart from perhaps a 180mm Totem to replace the 170mm 66's in the future, though these RCX2's do feel rather nice.

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    2006 ST update

    Okay, time for an update; Finally got my ST going last weekend so took some pics of it prior to its first proper ride. Initial impressions are this bike is capable of waaay more than the rider is. The shock probably needs some tweaks as i'm yet to touched it, but being one of the most flexible & complicated shocks on the market i'm going to make sure i know how to operate it before attempting any experimentation.

    Settings wise, I'm running the shock in the hole second from top on the link & in the stock position on the frame mount. This gives a veeery low BB height of 340mm/13.39 inches, or ~12mm/0.47 inches above the rear axle (thats 10-15mm lower than the renowned low IH Sunday! Only had one decent pedal strike on the first ride tho). The current forks are 170mm though so if I go longer forks (180mm Totems or perhaps 203mm Boxxers) this will help. Or I could change the shock mount position but this will steepen the HA. I was also running around 40% sag (hadn't allowed previously for extra weight of armour + full face) so at 30-35% this will improve the BB height slightly during attack, although I know CCDB's can run at 40%. The BB on my Intense 5.5 is one of the lowest of all trail bikes (13.25 inches!) so am fairly used to flying low TBH.

    So what sort of BB height numbers are you guys running on your ST's??

    Anyway apart from some geo tweaks the bike feels incredible. It grips and launches out of corners, and wants to pop off absolutely anything. So much fun. With the new wheelset & tyres (tires) its also not overly heavy, and pretty damn pedal-friendly overall, even with 40% sag!

    Oh and before you ask, I'm an Aussie so run my brakes "backwards".

    SPEC LIST:

    Frame: '06 Nicolai Helius ST, 6.5-8.0" rear travel, ano black, medium
    Shock: Cane Creek Double Barrel, Ti spring
    Fork: '06 Marzocchi 66RC2X 170mm (thinking Totems or Boxxers)
    Headset: Chris King threadless 1 1/8"
    Wheelset: Hope Pro2 32 spoke hubs (20mm front, 135x12 rear), Mavic EX721, DT Swiss DB spokes
    Tyres: Intense 909 FRO Lite EX/DC dual compound, 2.5" 1-ply front + 2.35" 2-ply rear, Conti tubes
    Brakes: Shimano Saint with 203mm rotors
    Drivetrain: SRAM X9 shifter, SRAM X7 derailleur (X9 to go back on soon)
    Cranks: Saint cranks, E13 SRS guide & bashie
    Pedals: 24Bicycles Butterfly platforms
    Stem: Kalloy 50mm oversized (temp cheap & light stand-in for now)
    Bars: Easton EA50 690mm oversized (want lower & wider Sunline V1's ~730mm or similar)
    Grips: Element LockOn's
    Post: Aomeba 30.0 (want Thomson 30.0)
    Saddle: WTB Laser V Ti Team

    VIDEO:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laJaWZIg-Kg

    ^^ short video of me on its first shakedown. Wasn't hitting big stuff by any means, i was just wanting to test & get used to the bike & tyres more than anything, besides this was the first time for me riding a bike of this nature (plus riding in armour and full face). You have to start somewhere.

    PICTURES:







    excuse this dodgy photo...



    Cheers,

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    Sexy sexy ST.... Enjoy
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    Frame, Size: HELIUS ST / Small
    * Fork: Boxxer Worldcup
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Fox DHX 5.0 Ti spring 450x3.15
    * Brakes: Avid Elixirs
    * Cranks: Sram Stylo
    * Guide: e thirteen lg1
    * Shifters: Sram x9
    * Rear Derailleur: Sram x9
    * Pedals: Wellgo Mg1
    * Stem: Funn direct boxxer
    * Handlebar: Sram Carbon race Noir
    * Seatpost: SGD
    * Saddle: SDG
    * Cassette: Sram PG-970 DH
    * Chain: Shimano HD
    * Headset: Cane Creek
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Minion 2.5
    * Wheel Set: Mavic Crossline SX
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Minion 2.35

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    ^^ nice build.

    So what sort of BB height numbers are people getting/running with their Helius ST's??

    As i said a couple of posts above, my BB height is looow @ 340mm/13.39 inches (BB centre to ground level), or ~12mm/0.47 inches above the rear axle, as Nicolai likes it. Of course this number needs to be read in conjunction with the amount of sag being run, as well as front and rear travel. Think i'm running at around 35% sag, with the shock in the second hole from the top (second hightest travel setting). One key on my build is the forks, which are only 170mm (though I am running a large Chris King race which actually equates to an extra 10mm in front end height anyway).

    I have clashed the pedals a few times out of the three times i've had my ST offroad, but only once badly enough for me to loose control (perhaps its because i'm well aware of its low-ness, or the fact the trails i'm riding are somewhat flowy & groomed/hardpack). Perhaps I should try some more techy stuff and see if i struggle with pedal/BB height, but i really am not finding it much of a hinderance (yet).

    Anyway, i'm keen to see what other people are running in the bottom bracket height department, and if people think my 13.39 inch BB height is way too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starship303
    ^^ nice build.

    So what sort of BB height numbers are people getting/running with their Helius ST's??

    As i said a couple of posts above, my BB height is looow @ 340mm/13.39 inches (BB centre to ground level), or ~12mm/0.47 inches above the rear axle, as Nicolai likes it. Of course this number needs to be read in conjunction with the amount of sag being run, as well as front and rear travel. Think i'm running at around 35% sag, with the shock in the second hole from the top (second hightest travel setting). One key on my build is the forks, which are only 170mm (though I am running a large Chris King race which actually equates to an extra 10mm in front end height anyway).

    I have clashed the pedals a few times out of the three times i've had my ST offroad, but only once badly enough for me to loose control (perhaps its because i'm well aware of its low-ness, or the fact the trails i'm riding are somewhat flowy & groomed/hardpack). Perhaps I should try some more techy stuff and see if i struggle with pedal/BB height, but i really am not finding it much of a hinderance (yet).

    Anyway, i'm keen to see what other people are running in the bottom bracket height department, and if people think my 13.39 inch BB height is way too low.

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    yea i had the same problem, my pedals got all battered up when my sag was really high cause i was running on too soft of spring when i first got my st ;p. but now im running full travel so the bb should be slightly higher but also with a low percentage sag. 30 ish. I'm also trying to get a 3' stroke instead of a 2.75. I measured 9.5' i to i and should fit on the lowest hole setting but be full travel still.

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    The ST is looking bloody awesome Ian, nice one!
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    Nice Ian - looks even better in the flesh!

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    on top of a freezing mountain, what a random place to meet. lol

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    Missed this ST ianpinder - Looks awesome, how is she riding?

    Enjoy that weapon...
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    It rides awesome, the backend is wicked, its really solid as well, takes a battering

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