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    Quote Originally Posted by wpuk
    Currently running Flows on mine at the mo and the rims held up great (210lbs no to precise rider)

    Will be changing to a CK-XRay-Flow (rear) combo myself eventually, let us know what you go with and how you get on
    go with the flow

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    Hello!
    I need help choosing a frame Helius AM.
    My height is 181 SL 87; weight, 76kg.
    M or L ???
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DNKolian
    Hello!
    I need help choosing a frame Helius AM.
    My height is 181 SL 87; weight, 76kg.
    M or L ???
    Thank you.
    What sort of riding do you like to do?

    What is your normal stem length say?

    Do you love to throw a bike around etc?
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    I'm 181 too, but with a 31.5"(82) in seam if that's what SL is? Suggesting you are long of leg and shorter of body?

    I ride a med with a layback post saddle central and 50mm stem, 780bars, it's compact and chuckable. I would need my saddle right back on the rails with an inline post, but it would still be ok. I would think large would feel just that, a bit large at 181. The inside leg has nothing to do with it in this case I would offer

    I never feel cramped and if its a new AM with 66.5 deg angles you will want to be more over the front when cornering so standing a med and 50-70m stem would be spot on.

    But finally if you can get a demo, do!

    My 2p advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DNKolian
    Hello!
    I need help choosing a frame Helius AM.
    My height is 181 SL 87; weight, 76kg.
    M or L ???
    Thank you.
    I am 182, weight 77 and had the same dilemma a year and half ago. I went for a large and haven't regretted it although I have never tried a medium one. My setup is with widish bars and short stem (730mm and 50mm correspondingly) for all-around riding (not dirty jumping etc.).

    I know it is not comparable and it is also too subjective but my large Helius feels way better than my medium Blue Pig (always in terms of sizing) and the latter is supposed to be built large for its size (so according to their sizing chart I was in between a small and a medium frame).

    I am now thinking about pulling the trigger on an ION in a few months and I have the same dilemma (because the bike would be intent onto a different kind of riding), but I think the large would be spot on with an even shorter stem and wider bars.

    Hope this is helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    What sort of riding do you like to do?

    What is your normal stem length say?

    Do you love to throw a bike around etc?
    There won't be any long trips, max distance is about 45km.
    Technical trails; Enduro; FR; local DH.
    Sometimes need to go uphill.
    Here i have moment I have the frame size of m + stem 90 mm
    Last edited by DNKolian; 03-12-2011 at 03:10 PM.

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    i'm 182cm @ 80kg

    i initially demo'd dippers medium a couple of years ago. it felt too cramped.

    i went for a large and ride it with a 50mm stem and inline post. nice and stable but less chuckable than a medium obviously.

    it was meant to be a trail rider, but unfortunately, is more of a play-bike due to the pedal strike issues i experience.

    if you want to ride distance, i'd say you verge on medium / large, but for play, i say medium.

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    I'm 181 on a medium. 60mm stem, 745mm bars, and the saddle forward on the rails to aid techy climbing. I've tried a large FR and it was large, my AM is perfect IMHO.

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    182 and 87 leg, find the large to be spot on, currently running it with 70mm stem and 660mm bar, will be trying out a 55mm stem and 750-720, am expecting the new setup to feel pretty good once i get into it.

    If i was getting a new AM, only two changes to what i have would be, medium ST paired with a large TT and 5mm extra length on the top of the HT if i stuck with 1-1/8 (running with 160 fork and reset HS)

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    180cm and run a Medium AM, seat fully back on it's rails but still comfy with a 50mm stem.
    @ Mario, a medium ion would be way too small for you. As a large fits me fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    180cm and run a Medium AM, seat fully back on it's rails but still comfy with a 50mm stem.
    @ Mario, a medium ion would be way too small for you. As a large fits me fine.
    Thanks for the info rpm
    When the time comes I will ask for a more detailed input though

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    Can you get frames anodised in the UK?

    Not sure I want to buy a new Nic frame since I like the one I have, although 2cm on the TT wouldn't go amis with the current med S/T and a 1.5HT but they are minor changes, I'd quite like Matt black ano. Nicolai will do it bur iirc for about 400 or something like that. Still cheaper than a new frame but I would have thought it could be done in the UK for less?

    Anyone know?

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    Gary AM: could you list the detailed specs of your bike please. The build looks amazing.
    Cheers

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    * Rider height: 6ft 3 weight: 146.7kg for now, ride style e.g bit of everything

    * Frame, Size, & Color: xl, with 100mm cut of the seat tube
    * Fork: bos deville
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Bos stoy
    * Brakes: Avid elixr carbons (for now)
    * Cranks: race face six c carbons
    * Shifters: xtr 9spd
    * Front Derailleur: shimano saint
    * Rear Derailleur: shimano saint double specific
    * Pedals: new trail xtr / nuke proof mag/ti
    * Stem: thompson 50mm
    * Handlebar: race face atlas fr 785wide
    * Seatpost: gd classic
    * Saddle: bel air ti
    * Bottom Bracket: chris king
    * Cassette: xt
    * Chain: pg 990
    * Headset: reset racing
    * Grips: odi lock
    * Front Tire: nobbly nic evo
    * Front wheel: crank brothers iodine ltd edition
    * Rear Tire: nobbly nic evo
    * Rear wheel: crank brothers iodine ltd edition
    * Cables: xtr
    * Overall Weight: 33lbs


    IMG_0249 by ianpindir, on Flickr

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    From Belgium, to form a nice partnership with my Helius CC I could not resist bying this wonderfull AM frame as a demobike from Nicolai.


    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AM Small, titanium anodized front/ black rear triangle, tapered headset, 12 mm axle

    * Fork: Marzocchi Z150 FR SL
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Fox DHX air
    * Brakes: Hope M'
    * Cranks: XT
    * Shifters: LX
    * Front Derailleur: SLX
    * Rear Derailleur: XT
    * Pedals: Shimano
    * Stem: Syncros
    * Handlebar: Syncros
    * Seatpost: Roox
    * Saddle: Syncros
    * Bottom Bracket: XT
    * Cassette: XT
    * Chain: XTR
    * Headset: Reset tapered
    * Grips: Syncros
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Minion
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Flow rims wit sapim spokes
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro 2 EVO
    * Rear Tire:Maxxis Minnion
    * Rear Rim: Flow rims with Sapim spokes
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro 2 EVO
    * Cables: Jagwire
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight: < 15 kg (I hope)



    Besides that, a small question.
    I have a blackspire chainguide for ISCG mounting, when installing it, the bolts that secure the guide touch the bolts that hold the smallest chainring on the cranks. I mounted the crank bearrings with 1 spacer on the drive side as suggested in the manaul. Any tips to make this work?

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    Your setup is just fine with the spacer right where it is. But Nicolai faces the ISCG tabs plane with the bb. They do this so that one can bold Hammerschmidt right away. Downside is that there is no offset, which means less space for the guide and its bolts. Grinding down the bolts on the Cranks usually helps, or finding some with a smaller head. I run my setup with a Gamut Dual guide and it fits just but well.

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    K2-Man - I think I recognise that AM. Was it bought from the Nicolai Stock List? Absolutely stunning finish on it, with that combination of titanium and black anodizing.

    Have fun on it and when funds allow, treat it to a lighter set of forks

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    Yeah ha K2-Man..... A true stealth machine.... Enjoy and whack a new fork on that puppy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972
    K2-Man - I think I recognise that AM. Was it bought from the Nicolai Stock List? Absolutely stunning finish on it, with that combination of titanium and black anodizing.

    Have fun on it and when funds allow, treat it to a lighter set of forks
    Yes it is, straight from the factory. It was a real bargain ! I am looking for a Lyrik Air to make the build complete ...

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    Details PM'd and thanks, it rides great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Yeah ha K2-Man..... A true stealth machine.... Enjoy and whack a new fork on that puppy....
    In progress ! Indeed front and back are not in balance right now.

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    Ok, Updates finished now, nothing left to do to it and fresh from the big test in SuperEnduro Sestri which was it's second ride in this state. Alot different from when I bought it and thought I wouldn't change anything!! IT passed the test

    Spec:
    Frame: Nicolai Helius AM, gloss white powdercoat with Extra Love Anodized Pivots and Bearing Covers, Maxle 135 x 12mm rear axle
    Rear Shock: BOS S'TOY (Was DHX 5.0 air)
    Fork: BOS DEVILLE (Was 2010 Fox 36 Float FIT RC2)
    Headset: CUSTOM 1 1/8th Deep Cup Angle set -1.2Deg (66.5 Deg static) (Was Chris King No Threadset and 67.7 Deg)
    Stem: PointOne Racing Split Second 50mm (was Thomson X4)
    Handlebar: Chromag Fubar OSX 780mm (was Easton EA70 Monkeybar)
    Grips: Superstar with blingy bar ends
    Seatpost: KS i900R (wasThomson Elite Layback)
    Seat Clamp: Superstar (was Hope)
    Saddle: SDG Ti (was Selle Italia Regal-E Team)
    Brakes: Hope Tech V2 Ltd 203/183 (Hope Tech M4 Custom Red Ano with Goodridge Braided Hoses)
    Pedals: PointOne Racing flats (Was xt spds)
    Rear Mech: Shimano Saint Shadow
    Cassette: Shimano SLX 11-28
    Bottom Bracket: Truvativ Howizter
    Chainset: Truvativ Hammerschmidt AM
    Left Shifter: SRAM X0 for Hammerschmidt with Hope Tech lever mount
    Right Shifter: Shimano XT M770 with Hope Tech lever mount
    Hubs: Chris King ISO Disc 32H Red
    Spokes: Sapim CX Ray Bladed Black with Red Nipples
    Rims: Stans Flow white powdercoat
    Tyres: Maxxis High Roller Rear, Minion Front 2.35 set up tubeless
    Weight 33.5lbs

    The frame is looking a bit secondhand now its been thrown down a fair few gnarly trails, so a few more stickers may be in order...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/aadm/5636605541/" title="Nicolai Helius AM and BOS suspension by aadm, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5224/5636605541_2435435e7b.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="Nicolai Helius AM and BOS suspension"></a>

    Working for its living

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/aadm/5636641021/" title="_1020165.jpg by aadm, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5107/5636641021_b5aa519cc5.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="_1020165.jpg"></a>

    and a bit of R&R
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/aadm/5636623691/" title="_1010879.jpg by aadm, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5308/5636623691_08b33524ee.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="_1010879.jpg"></a>
    Last edited by the_pilot; 04-20-2011 at 06:49 AM.

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    Adam - can you tell us more about this custom deep insert angle set please.

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    Hi geetee, Phil here, Allessandro is my Italian host who posted the pics.

    The details of the headset are here http://www.ofanaim.net/hasale.html

    Saar is a great guy, he's in Isreal, and has quite a few of these in service now, with feedback on the Turner forum and others, despite originally just doing it for himself on a Turner 5-spot. He has produced them for V10 DH bikes and all sorts, the ones I have are based on the dimensions of the Cruz V10 ones he did.

    Mine have 22mm Skirts top and bottom, using Tange bearings (std) and top cap (I don't use the top cap as my stem is integrated)
    The website shows the angles that can be achieved and this is dependent on headtube length. The AM can comfortablly take -1.2deg but will go to -1.3 IIRC. I decided to go with the new stock geometry.
    The headset is very well made and Saar has subjected them to some substantial testing abuse, including whacking the skirts/cups with a hammer in the name of ensuring they are robust as it wasn't his original intention to sell to others)

    Theyhave substantial alignment marks, and you do obviously have to be careful when inserting them to make sure they are aligned, I had no trouble, just took it slow and made sure there was plenty of grease so they went in smooth. It would be easier/safer with a second person just to hold them in place as the press is wound in.

    They have a solid crown race and lower seal.

    Pre-loading was easy and they haven't moved and run lovely and smooth. It has make a big difference to the bikes stability on the steeps but I cant say I have noticed any slower steering, but I also added 780mm bars and 50mm stem at the same time.

    I'm most impressed that it still climbs great with no wandering, a little light occasionally. but hey its running a big fork!
    Dunno what else to say really, they cost $200 shipped, so a little under 130, they are sent in a normal packet, tracked through Isreal until the UK, normal recorded mail in UK. he can anodise them a few colours or leave raw

    Saars communication and pictures of them being produced were great.

    So in summary, works well, looks good, transforms the bike, well worth the cash as much cheaper than a new frame!

    There are also those offset shock bushes for 20 or so, which is very cheap if you want to see how the new angle works but I didn't want them, I was confident it would be good, I think they do lower the BB more then the headset too.

    If there's anything else, just ask, or ask Saar Gelvan, he's very very helpful and enthusiastic.

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    Hi geetee, Phil here, Allessandro is my Italian host who posted the pics.

    Just noticed Saar has updated his website with new GBP prices and options.
    You can just get cups and use your existing bearings and top cap if they're compatible for 91 shipped or the full headset for 121

    Looks like he is also making some 1.5 and tapered too...my interest was the 1 1/8".

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    Finally ready !


    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AM Small, titanium anodized front/ black rear triangle, tapered headset, 12 mm axle

    * Fork: Rock Shox Lyrik 2step air tapered
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Fox DHX air
    * Brakes: Hope M4
    * Cranks: XT
    * Shifters: XT - race match makers
    * Front Derailleur: SLX
    * Rear Derailleur: XT
    * Pedals: Shimano
    * Stem: Syncros
    * Handlebar: Syncros
    * Seatpost: Roox
    * Saddle: Syncros
    * Bottom Bracket: XT
    * Cassette: XT
    * Chain: XTR
    * Headset: Reset tapered
    * Grips: Syncros
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Minion
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Flow rims wit sapim spokes
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro 2 EVO
    * Rear Tire:Maxxis Minnion
    * Rear Rim: Flow rims with Sapim spokes
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro 2 EVO
    * Cables: Jagwire
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight: 15.2 kg (want te reach < 15kg)











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    Riding terrain conditions:

    * Rider height: 175cm - 5'9"
    * Rider Style: Trail, XC, easy DH trails

    * Frame, Size, & Color: 2009 Helius AM (200x57 levers). Size M. Black Anodized, red Linkages, bolts and caps. 1/1.8" headset.
    * Fork: 2009 Fox 36 Float RC2 - Painted in black
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Fox Float R 190x50 (while i'm waiting for a 200x57 Monarch RT3 HV)
    * Brakes: Hope Mono Mini
    * Cranks: DIY half polished Shimano Hone
    * Shifters: Shimano XT
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Pedals: common Wellg (4 now)
    * Stem: Thomson X4 50mm
    * Handlebar: Race Face Atlas AM Red
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    * Saddle:Selle Italia Prolink
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano SLX/XT
    * Cassette: Shimano XT
    * Chain: Dura-ace /XTR
    * Headset: Acros AH07
    * Grips: Superstar excel
    * Front Tire: Continental X-King 2.4 Racesport
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Dt Swiss EX5.1d / Sapim
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro 2
    * Rear Tire:Continental X-King 2.4 Racesport
    * Rear Rimt Swiss EX5.1d
    * Rear Hub/Skewer:Hope Pro 2 12mm
    * Cables: Shimano SIS
    * Misc: Red Mowa crank & rotor bolts, c-clips
    * Overall Weight: 14.1kg ~ 31.09 lb



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    Rider: 120 kg; 175 cm, Male

    Style: Alp Tours, Trails, freeride

    * Frame, Size, & Color: 2011 Helius AM; Size M. Clossy white, black Linkages, bolts and caps. 1/1.8" headset.
    * Fork: 2009 Fox 36 Float RC2 or RS Lyrik Solo Air (170) or RS Lyrik Coil (still not clear )
    * Shock: RS Vivid Coil or RS Vivid Air (216x63.5).
    * Brakes: Hope M4 tech, spezial Edition (Black, green)
    * Cranks: Shimano XTR 3x9
    * Shifters: Shimano XT
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Pedals: CB Mallet
    * Stem: RS Reverb
    * Saddle:SQLab 611 (150mm)
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano XTR
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR (11-34)
    * Chain: Dura-ace /XTR
    * Headset: Reset
    * Stem: Thomson X4 80mm / 0
    * Handlebar: Renthal Fatbar 780mm/10 Rise
    * Grips: ODI
    * Front Tire: Onza Ibex DH 2.4
    * Front Wheel: Dt Swiss EX1750
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Arden 2.6
    * Rear Whell St Swiss EX1750
    * Overall Weight: 15.8 kg
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    Rider: 85 kg; 182 cm, Male

    Style: All Mountain
    * Frame, Size, & Color: 2010 Helius AM; Size M. Ano Black, White Stickers. 1.5" headset.
    * Fork: 2009 Fox 36 Float RC2 1.5
    * Shock: Push Tuned Float R (216x63.5) or CCDB with 400# spring.
    * Brakes: Formula RX 200 front x 180 rear
    * Cranks: Hammerschmizzle
    * Shifters: Shimano XT rear and Sram X9 front
    * Front Derailleur: Hummerschmoozzle
    * Rear Derailleur: Saint shorty
    * Pedals: XTR SPD
    * Stem: RS Reverb (or I-beam)
    * Saddle:SDG BelAir Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Himmerschmazzle
    * Cassette: Shimano XT 9spd (11-34)
    * Chain: Sram 9sp workshop cheapy
    * Headset: Chris King 1.5 Devolution
    * Stem: Thomson 1.5" X4 45mm / 0
    * Handlebar: Sunline 745mm/19mm Rise
    * Grips: ODI Troy Lee Red
    * Front Tire: Rubber Queen Black Chilli 2.4 (Tubeless but not UST)
    * Front Wheel: Hope Pro2 Evo Hoop with Flow rim
    * Rear Tire: Rubber Queen Black Chilli 2.4 (Tubeless but not UST)
    * Rear Whee: Hope Pro2 Evo Hoop with Flow rim
    * Overall Weight: 15 kg (33lbs)

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    So many really really nice bikes here.

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    small update, new RS Lyrik Coil (170mm)


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    Did not want to start a new thread on that, just a quick question: does anyone know for sure whether the cane creek angle set for 1 1/8 headtubes has really made it into production?

    http://www.canecreek.com/component-h...C44%20|%20ZS44

    Will this fit my Helius AM (2010 model with standard headtube)?

    Cheers,
    Marios

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    No there's currently no Cane Creek solution for 1 1/8th headtubes - the one you're linking to is for 44mm headtubes, which is (yet) another standard.

    There is a guy in Israel making them and if you have a look at the Turner forum on MTBR, you should be able to find the thread all about it. A friend of mine has one on his Turner Five Spot and so far it's holding up OK.

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    I have one, it's briiliant and great service and quality.
    Www.ofanaim.com

    I reduced HA on my AM from 67.7 to 66.5
    Aka chainline...

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    I should say mine has been used in all weathers and in the alps (unfortunately in all weathers there too!) and is still as smooth as silk. The bearings are easily available anyway.

    Saar will create any angle reduction you like up to the max which on a 2010 bike (same as mine) is -1.3deg from standard.

    I went with -1.2 to bring it to current AM geo.

    I have posted more info higher up the thread.
    Aka chainline...

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    Nicolai Helius AM - Setup Database-dsc_4221.jpg

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AM, Medium, Anodised Black
    * Fork: BOS Deville
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: BOS Stoy, 216x63
    * Brakes: Hope V2 Limited Edition c/w Braided Hoses, Ti Bolts & Matchmaker Clamp
    * Cranks: Shimano XTR, XT 32t 10 Speed Chainring
    * Shifters: Shimano XT
    * Front Derailleur: N/A
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano
    * Pedals: Mallet
    * Stem: Thomson Elite X4, 50mm
    * Handlebar: Easton Haven Carbon, 711mm Wide
    * Seatpost: Rockshox Reverb c/w Remote & Hope Clamp
    * Saddle: SDG Ti-Fly
    * Bottom Bracket: Hope Ceramic
    * Cassette: Shimano XT, 11-36t 10 Speed
    * Chain: Shimano XT, 10 Speed
    * Chain Guide: Straitline Silent Guide
    * Headset: Cane Creek Angleset
    * Grips: Sunline Big 'S'
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Minion 'f', 2.5" UST
    * Front Rim/Spokes: Easton Haven
    * Front Hub: Easton Haven
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Larsen TT, 2.35"
    * Rear Rim/Spokes: Easton Haven
    * Rear Hub: Easton Haven
    * Cables: Shimano XT
    * Misc: Frame c/w 1.5" Headtube, 12mm Axle & HS Mount
    * Overall Weight: 31lb minus pedals

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    I have one, it's briiliant and great service and quality.
    Www.ofanaim.com

    I reduced HA on my AM from 67.7 to 66.5
    Thanks very much for the info geete and pilot

    I thought the 44mm standard is the 1 1/8 one according to this:
    http://dirt.mpora.com/news/dirt-excl...-campaign.html

    I 'll try and see if it's possible to order one from the guy you suggested but I 'm not sure he'll be able to send it to Greece...

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by mario83 View Post
    Thanks very much for the info geete and pilot

    I thought the 44mm standard is the 1 1/8 one according to this:
    http://dirt.mpora.com/news/dirt-excl...-campaign.html

    I 'll try and see if it's possible to order one from the guy you suggested but I 'm not sure he'll be able to send it to Greece...

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    It's complicated; there are so many 'standards' now (oxymoron if ever there was one!) it's easy to get confused.

    44mm refers to the internal diameter of the head tube, which is 1.7 inches. For reference, 1 1/8th inches as a decimal is 1.125 inches. So the 44mm standard internal diameter is quite a bit bigger than the 44mm standard. To summarise:

    44mm = 1.7inches = 1 7/10ths
    1 1/8th = 1.125 inches = 28.5mm

    The connection between 44mm and 1 1/8th headtubes, is that the larger internal diameter of 44mm allows you to run internal cup headsets, or zerostack (Cane Creek nomenclature is 'ZS') with 1 1/8th inch fork steerers.

    Alternatively you can run 1.5" fork steerers with external cups (i.e. not zero stack).

    The headset you've linked to is an angleset for 1 1/8th inch forks in the wider 44mm headtube. The extra space affords the use of the internal angle reducement.

    The Dirt campaign was for an angle reducer set for the original, 1 1/8th headtube, with the narrower internal diameter.

    The initial resistance from Cane Creek was apparently because it would 'look funny'; the part of the cups that carry the bearing and thus where the off set is gained, would sit outside the frame rather than inside the frame.

    Hope all that makes sense. It's all terribly confusing and I may have made some mistakes here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972 View Post
    It's complicated; there are so many 'standards' now (oxymoron if ever there was one!) it's easy to get confused.

    44mm refers to the internal diameter of the head tube, which is 1.7 inches. For reference, 1 1/8th inches as a decimal is 1.125 inches. So the 44mm standard internal diameter is quite a bit bigger than the 44mm standard. To summarise:

    44mm = 1.7inches = 1 7/10ths
    1 1/8th = 1.125 inches = 28.5mm

    The connection between 44mm and 1 1/8th headtubes, is that the larger internal diameter of 44mm allows you to run internal cup headsets, or zerostack (Cane Creek nomenclature is 'ZS') with 1 1/8th inch fork steerers.

    Alternatively you can run 1.5" fork steerers with external cups (i.e. not zero stack).

    The headset you've linked to is an angleset for 1 1/8th inch forks in the wider 44mm headtube. The extra space affords the use of the internal angle reducement.

    The Dirt campaign was for an angle reducer set for the original, 1 1/8th headtube, with the narrower internal diameter.

    The initial resistance from Cane Creek was apparently because it would 'look funny'; the part of the cups that carry the bearing and thus where the off set is gained, would sit outside the frame rather than inside the frame.

    Hope all that makes sense. It's all terribly confusing and I may have made some mistakes here.
    Yes it makes perfect sense now that I read carefully both dirt's and your posts. Thanks for the clarification; as always nice write up geete

    Regarding the ofanaim angleset I just tried to make the order but it seems I can't figure out how the website's ordering system works. Maybe I miss something (again...). Any help with that would be appreciated.

    Best,
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    You know when I think my mate, who has one in his Turner 5Spot, rand the guy up and ordered it. I will check and report back.

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    Just email Saar using the contact link on the website if you are having trouble, he will reply very quickly. He posts all over the world using standard mail.

    He's designing one for my Titus X-carbon now, which has the campy standard integrated headset, he's designing external cups for the internal headset to allow me to slacken it off a touch to make it more trail and less race..
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Just email Saar using the contact link on the website if you are having trouble, he will reply very quickly. He posts all over the world using standard mail.

    He's designing one for my Titus X-carbon now, which has the campy standard integrated headset, he's designing external cups for the internal headset to allow me to slacken it off a touch to make it more trail and less race..
    Thanks again for the help pilot
    I just emailed Saar with the details and I wanted to make sure that I gave him the right info: my AM is a 2010 model with standard 1-1/8" headtube (125mm length) so the angleset will be able to make the bike slacker up to 1.3 degrees. Does it also make it steeper? And do I have to send him any other info about the bike (I assume you have the same model and got the same headset as the one I want)?
    I 'll be waiting for his reply now.

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    I guess it would make it steeper, not that I'd recommend it and there would be no alignment marks for that direction unless you requested them.

    I do have exactly the same bike as you and I think you want the same headset. H will probably use the design he used for mine. I asked for the deep cups necessary to preserve the Nicolai warranty, that might be the only clarification you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    I guess it would make it steeper, not that I'd recommend it and there would be no alignment marks for that direction unless you requested them.

    I do have exactly the same bike as you and I think you want the same headset. H will probably use the design he used for mine. I asked for the deep cups necessary to preserve the Nicolai warranty, that might be the only clarification you need.
    Those being the deep insertion cups top and bottom (22mm)?
    thanks again

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    I asked for deeP top and bottom yes, 22mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Hi geetee, Phil here, Allessandro is my Italian host who posted the pics.

    The details of the headset are here http://www.ofanaim.net/hasale.html

    Saar is a great guy, he's in Isreal, and has quite a few of these in service now, with feedback on the Turner forum and others, despite originally just doing it for himself on a Turner 5-spot. He has produced them for V10 DH bikes and all sorts, the ones I have are based on the dimensions of the Cruz V10 ones he did.

    Mine have 22mm Skirts top and bottom, using Tange bearings (std) and top cap (I don't use the top cap as my stem is integrated)
    The website shows the angles that can be achieved and this is dependent on headtube length. The AM can comfortablly take -1.2deg but will go to -1.3 IIRC. I decided to go with the new stock geometry.
    The headset is very well made and Saar has subjected them to some substantial testing abuse, including whacking the skirts/cups with a hammer in the name of ensuring they are robust as it wasn't his original intention to sell to others)

    Theyhave substantial alignment marks, and you do obviously have to be careful when inserting them to make sure they are aligned, I had no trouble, just took it slow and made sure there was plenty of grease so they went in smooth. It would be easier/safer with a second person just to hold them in place as the press is wound in.

    They have a solid crown race and lower seal.

    Pre-loading was easy and they haven't moved and run lovely and smooth. It has make a big difference to the bikes stability on the steeps but I cant say I have noticed any slower steering, but I also added 780mm bars and 50mm stem at the same time.

    I'm most impressed that it still climbs great with no wandering, a little light occasionally. but hey its running a big fork!
    Dunno what else to say really, they cost $200 shipped, so a little under 130, they are sent in a normal packet, tracked through Isreal until the UK, normal recorded mail in UK. he can anodise them a few colours or leave raw

    Saars communication and pictures of them being produced were great.

    So in summary, works well, looks good, transforms the bike, well worth the cash as much cheaper than a new frame!

    There are also those offset shock bushes for 20 or so, which is very cheap if you want to see how the new angle works but I didn't want them, I was confident it would be good, I think they do lower the BB more then the headset too.

    If there's anything else, just ask, or ask Saar Gelvan, he's very very helpful and enthusiastic.
    Just ordered the angleset. I am very eager to see up to what degree it will transform the bike, because, the truth is, on very steep trails I can sense the limits of the old AM's geometry. I went for the full 1.3deg angle change.
    The cost is only 73 so I am wondering whether there was a price reduction or some changes in the product.
    Cheers,
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    some similar specs
    Frame :- Nicolai Helius AM Tailored made 2009 (Red) and 2010 (White)
    Headset :- BlackSpire Double Deep DH headset
    Fork :- BOS Deville 2011
    Rear Shock :- Re-worked Rockshox Vivid Air
    Drive :- Truvative Noir with Rohloff Hub Drive train. Tune Rohloff Shifter
    Brakes :- Magura Marta SL Magnesium/ Marta RaceLine Limited Edition
    Rotors :- Braking Semi Float 180mm front, Rohloff Magura SL 160mm rear.
    Rims :- Atomlab SupreLite with Anodized Red Torque Nipples.
    Spokes :- 1st Batch Pillar Racing Titanium Spokes By AttitudeBikes in Blue / Purple Rainbow.
    Tires :- Maxxis Minion DHF 2.35 60A

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    Quote Originally Posted by AttitudeBikes View Post
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    Rear Shock :- Re-worked Rockshox Vivid Air
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    Could you pls tell more how V Air is re-worked ? Just for curiosity, Ive one (med tune) and
    though about playing a bit with air volumes ...

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    Hi pergamonz. V Air uses 2.5w rockshox oil. just simply change it to a more synthetic 2.5W and it will be more sensitive then before but you may need more air volume ( pump more air) . we usually does only the oil change for now as it become significantly plusher and more sensitive already and some patience in bleeding the damper to make sure its 0 bubbles and also waste some shock fluid We have to do this process if not the V air's insensitive movement could not match up to the BOS deville unless u run 40% sag at all time which can prove to be a little too much for most and pedal strikes apperas way too open. after this process it allows us to run at ard 35% sag which still have the same sensitivity we were looking for when you sag it at 40% .

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    Pool of Drool

    I just fell in love with the Nicolai AM. It is now officially my dream bike.


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    has anyone got a hi res pic of an am?

    I want to order one at Christmas and want to play around with frame colours in photoshop

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    check this out:

    NICOLAI Maschinenbau GmbH
    --> there is a new colour configurator on the Nicolai Hompage....

    or this site:
    iscape.de Nicolai Helius AM Konfigurator

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    Finally....



    * 5'10" 185lbs rider

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AM, Medium, Bronze Ano
    * Fork: Pace RC 41 Fighter
    * Shock: Rockshox Vivid Air
    * Brakes: Shimano XT ice tec
    * Cranks: XT
    * Shifters: X9
    * Front Derailleur: X9
    * Rear Derailleur: X9 (2 x 9 setup)
    * Pedals: XT clips
    * Stem: Thomson X4 50mm
    * Handlebar: Sunline V1
    * Seatpost: Thomson in the pic, now a Reverb
    * Saddle: SDG Formula MT Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: XT
    * Cassette: SRAM something
    * Headset: Hope with reducer
    * Front Wheel: Pro 2 hub/DT swiss 5.1 rim
    * Rear Wheel: Pro 2 hub/DT swiss 5.1 rim
    * Overall Weight: 31 lbs

    Plans: Fox 36 Float fork soon and probable swap of wheels for a lighter set - 4.2DT Swiss rims on Aireal Hubs.

    Hope you like it - I LOVE it!!

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    farfromthesurf - what's the weight ?

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    Shouldn't this thread split now. 26" and 29"
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Shouldn't this thread split now. 26" and 29"
    Mwah ha ha ha

    That is a signal to do some work it seems on Setup Databases
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    Looking great, be interested to hear how you find the Vivid Air.

    Built for a thrashing, enjoy



    Quote Originally Posted by farfromthesurf View Post
    Finally....

    * 5'10" 185lbs rider

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AM, Medium, Bronze Ano
    * Fork: Pace RC 41 Fighter
    * Shock: Rockshox Vivid Air
    * Brakes: Shimano XT ice tec
    * Cranks: XT
    * Shifters: X9
    * Front Derailleur: X9
    * Rear Derailleur: X9 (2 x 9 setup)
    * Pedals: XT clips
    * Stem: Thomson X4 50mm
    * Handlebar: Sunline V1
    * Seatpost: Thomson in the pic, now a Reverb
    * Saddle: SDG Formula MT Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: XT
    * Cassette: SRAM something
    * Headset: Hope with reducer
    * Front Wheel: Pro 2 hub/DT swiss 5.1 rim
    * Rear Wheel: Pro 2 hub/DT swiss 5.1 rim
    * Overall Weight: 31 lbs

    Plans: Fox 36 Float fork soon and probable swap of wheels for a lighter set - 4.2DT Swiss rims on Aireal Hubs.

    Hope you like it - I LOVE it!!
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    31 pounds. Probably putting some 36 floats on the front and a different wheelset soon. Rode yesterday with geetee and both bike and ride were great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farfromthesurf View Post
    31 pounds. Probably putting some 36 floats on the front and a different wheelset soon. Rode yesterday with geetee and both bike and ride were great.
    Yep, how she is built, could go for a bigger fork perhaps... Those wheels should be pretty strong really. Are they the 32 or 36 hole rims? I had the 36 hole rims on my FR, they took a thrashing....
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    The Major's (i.e. Farfromthesurf but I like to call him 'The Major' given that's his rank ) bike weighed in at 31lbs and while there is a chunk of weight that would go on with the 36 fork, there is also a chunk to lose with the wheels. The 5.1d rims are strong but not light and probably for the riding we do, are overkill. Riding a lighter wheel set won't compromise the integrity or feel of the bike, but it will make it accelerate and turn quicker.

    I had only a quick scoot on the Vivid air but it felt a lot like the BOS Vip'r I now have on my AM. Good mid stroke control, very good low speed compression damping so that it controlled the bike very well but didn't inhibit the effectiveness of the suspension.

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    AM levers

    Hello

    Does anyone know what are the effective geomety changes amongst Helius AM levers (standard, -3 and -11)??
    How does it influende BB height, head angle and travel?

    Thanks in advance for advising.

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    Most likely it is not possible to pass from -3 to -11. That would mean you had to switch Shock size from 200 to 216. With the same shock, the rear wheel woul hit the seat tube.
    There are quite a few other mount plates though and the more minus they are, you get the following: lower bb, slacker ha and sa, same travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoton21 View Post
    Most likely it is not possible to pass from -3 to -11. That would mean you had to switch Shock size from 200 to 216. With the same shock, the rear wheel woul hit the seat tube.
    There are quite a few other mount plates though and the more minus they are, you get the following: lower bb, slacker ha and sa, same travel.

    Thanks for the reply. Maybe I was not clear enough... I've the standard mount plates and 216 shock but i would like to have more ha and slighlty lower bb.
    How much would I "gain" with -3 plates? Does it reduces the travel?

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    i would mail Nicolai about that. Taking few mms minus should be allrigth and gives you the desired effect, still depnding on the size of the tire. it is jsut a tricky thing since at a point the tire will hit the seat tube. I asked Nic once about that for my frame that has 0 offset and they said that -3 would work but only in the 160 stting. The user Dreamddep in the German forum told me that he was usingeven -7 offset in full travel setting and had no problem.

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    Depends on tyres. Take off the shock and move the linkage through its travel to clash-check when it will hit or bind, then measure.

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    Here is my futur built:

    * Rider height: 6.23 foot (1m90) ride style All-Mountain/Enduro/FR

    * Frame Size: Large
    * Color: Black ano. and Red Extralove, with Red glossy stickers
    * Fork: Bos Deville 170 Tapered
    * Shock: Bos Vip'R
    * Brakes: Shimano XT
    * Cranks: Shimano XT
    * Shifters: Shimano XT
    * Chain Guide: MRP Lopes Sl
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR shadow plus
    * Pedals: Crank Brothers Mallet 3
    * Stem: Easton Havoc 50mm
    * Handlebar: Easton Havoc Carbon 740mm
    * Seatpost: Ks Lev 150 (but when?)
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Slr TT
    * Bottom Bracket: Chris King red 73mm
    * Cassette: Shimano XT
    * Chain: Shimano XTR
    * Headset: Chris King red
    * Grips: Lizard Skin
    * Front Tire: Specialized Purgatory 2.4
    * Rim/ Spokes: Mavic EX 823 Ust/Dt Swiss Aerolite
    * Hub: Chris King red 20mm/135mmx12mm
    * Rear Tire: Specialized Captain 2.2
    * Cables: Gore Ride on
    * Overall Weight: ~14,3kg (31,5lbs)



    Last edited by akdmonsters; 12-13-2011 at 02:51 PM.

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    Well... It's almost finished! (I'm waiting for my new tires)
    Here It is:


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    Full Boss? Awesome! ;-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by sky42 View Post
    I just fell in love with the Nicolai AM. It is now officially my dream bike.
    frankly, it was the same for me some weeks ago, as I believed in full customization, top communication etc.

    Unfortunately, I've got to special wishes..My experience from a customizable pinion AM / AC and trailer adapter says something else. The results: may be it's better to go in some cases for a China-Frame...

    I'll see what the future brings...

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    Hi,
    there's my build:
    * Rider height: ~6 foot (183 cm) ride style AM/Enduro

    * Frame Size: medium
    * Color: Black ano. white stickers
    * Fork: Fox Talas 36 RC2 2009
    * Shock: DHX Air 5.0
    * Brakes: Elixir 5 203/185
    * Cranks: Shimano SLX (currently 21/35/bashring setup)
    * Shifters: Shimano SLX
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT '06
    * Pedals: HT ANO 06
    * Stem: Syntace F149 75mm
    * Handlebar: Giant Contact Rizer 690 mm (on way out)
    * Seatpost: Pro Koryak 400 mm / Kind Shock i950 R 150 mm (always in service)
    * Saddle: Selle Italia XR Pro
    * Cassette: Shimano SLX 11-34
    * Chain: Wipperman 908
    * Headset: Cloud Perform
    * Grips: Dartmoor
    * Tires: Fat Albert 2,4 SS EVO TC
    * Wheels D:T 475 / DT Swiss Super Comp / Scott EC pro 20 mm Front
    DT 475 / DT Swiss Super Comp / Sun Ringle Jumping Flea 135x12 mm Rear
    * Overall Weight: ~14,9 kg




    (with twin;-)

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    Elegant!

    I'm still waiting for mine :-(


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    Finally is here, next week I have a lot of work to do!


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    What colour is the main fame ???

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    Anodized blue ;-)


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    Finally it's here!

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    Looks slack! Sweet ride.
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    wow, looks super and nice setup as well 8)

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    Quick question for owners:

    With a piggyback of a Cane Creek double barrel air - or a similarly sized and configured shock towards the seatstay: will it interfere with bottle in the bottle holder when on short travel settings?

    How much space is there?

    Thought about ordering DB air, but its configuration concerns me - whether the can will clear frame if I put can towards the seatstay in long travel setting - or if it clears the bottle in short travel.

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    I can't see the anodised blue, where's the picture??
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    I can't see the anodised blue, where's the picture??

    It was here, but I don't know what has happened..


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    Shock mount plates for AM (-5?)

    Hi all,

    Great forum thread this one. Not much activity recently tho!

    I have a latest spec AM (thanks Dipper) and sometimes run a 170mm BOS Idylle SC and big old 2.5 tyres. When its set up like that the BB feels a touch high. Bit more high speed stability would be nice. That Idylle SC is fabulous though.

    I have a -1.5 cup in the 1.5 headtube so that option has already been taken.
    I was fancying a BB rise of about 10mm for Alpine and DH lite use.

    So, anyone got some Helius AM -5 shock plates or similar?

    Let me know if you've
    a: tried this option - how was it?
    B: want to sell the plates?
    Thanks lots

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    Mudfish did you get my email? I sent it to your gmail account. Let me know if you didn't and I can resend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Hi all,

    Great forum thread this one. Not much activity recently tho!

    I have a latest spec AM (thanks Dipper) and sometimes run a 170mm BOS Idylle SC and big old 2.5 tyres. When its set up like that the BB feels a touch high. Bit more high speed stability would be nice. That Idylle SC is fabulous though.

    I have a -1.5 cup in the 1.5 headtube so that option has already been taken.
    I was fancying a BB rise of about 10mm for Alpine and DH lite use.

    So, anyone got some Helius AM -5 shock plates or similar?

    Let me know if you've
    a: tried this option - how was it?
    B: want to sell the plates?
    Thanks lots
    Hello, I ordered new shockplates to lower BB and slacken the Head Angle. I had sent an email to Nicolai to explain my problem and they had sent me two sets of shockplates to tweak the bikes geometry. I am running now with -15 shockplates wich results in a headangle between 65 and 66 degrees (measured with a smartphone app so pretty unreliable)


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    I used -7 plates and according to my iPhone I've about 65,5 HA and about 1cm lower BB. The difference between standard and -7 is enormous. The AM feel more stable and pedals better, especially downhill.

    With -11 or -13 you probably can't use the 171m travel since the rear wheel might reach the seat tube depending on the tire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmpoliveira View Post
    I used -7 plates and according to my iPhone I've about 65,5 HA and about 1cm lower BB. The difference between standard and -7 is enormous. The AM feel more stable and pedals better, especially downhill.

    With -11 or -13 you probably can't use the 171m travel since the rear wheel might reach the seat tube depending on the tire!
    Hello, The guys at Nicolai told me the tire will hit the seattube if you use the -15 mm plates in the 170 mm setting. I checked this my frame without damper installed and there is enough room, small frame.

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    Hi K2 man,
    thanks for that info and pic, it's very interesting to know that Nicolai have a "range" of plates. Please might you answer a few more questions?

    What frame was that by the way and what year, what shock? -13 is a BIG BB drop I'd have thought, unless you also had a longer than standard shock?

    What is your bottom bracket "rise" now? (in case you don't know that's the BB (centre axis) height above the wheel axle centres. BB height measurements are somewhat meaningless as that dimension changes with tyre size.

    Did the minus plates alter the suspension feeling? It puts the linkage into a different part of it's "rate" so perhaps that might happen?

    You're right to doubt the smartphone app, for quite a while I was convinced that my AM frame angles were too steep, but it was all down to app/iPhone inaccuracy. The issue of inaccuracy was revealed when I measured the seat tube, it seemed to be tapered!
    I checked by measuring the front and back of a fork stanchion which is obviously not tapered, this inevitably involved inverting the iPhone to avoid the buttons on one side of it - the measured angle changed by about 1.5 degrees.
    In retrospect, knowing that the iPhone was not designed to measure angles and has no sensor for that, the even level of accuracy it does have is amazing, so, OK for comparisons but not for outright reference measurements.

    Hey, anyone out there got any shock mount plates around -5 to sell or loan for test please? I think that would give me a BB rise of about 10mm - same as the new ION 18 and 20 - great for Alpine descents, not so great for pedal strike perhaps, lucky those plates allow swopping between settings when the bike is set for different terrain.

    thanks

    neil

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    Hi hm,

    great feedback thanks

    great to know that the -7 plates = about 10mm drop at the BB
    initial measurements suggested that I might need -5 plates for a 7mm drop, and that seems to work out just right. (7/10)*7 = 4.9mm

    Did you feel a change to the suspension rate - i.e. rising / falling? Plainly a -7 = about 20mm at the wheel is taking the linkage into a different part of it's "rate"?

    [Q=hmpoliveira]I used -7 plates and according to my iPhone I've about 65,5 HA and about 1cm lower BB. The difference between standard and -7 is enormous. The AM feel more stable and pedals better, especially downhill.

    With -11 or -13 you probably can't use the 171m travel since the rear wheel might reach the seat tube depending on the tire![/Q]

    I agree
    With a coil shock, because of the bumper full specified travel is only reached by riders like Josh Bender I reckon. When I tested it looked like - 5 was acceptable in the top hole (spring off, big tyre on). To be honest, though, I feel the stability of a lower BB in Alpine terrain would be worth losing a bit of travel for, so if only the 2nd hole is usable I'd not be too unhappy.

    thanks again
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    Replied witthin the quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Hi K2 man,
    thanks for that info and pic, it's very interesting to know that Nicolai have a "range" of plates. Please might you answer a few more questions?

    What frame was that by the way and what year, what shock? -13 is a BIG BB drop I'd have thought, unless you also had a longer than standard shock?

    Running a AM frame in size small with a Rockshox Monarch plus Shock. I think it is actually 2010 or 2011 (not 100 % sure). Maybe you can tell from this link: none at none in Zonnebeke, Belgium - photo by K2-man - Pinkbike

    What is your bottom bracket "rise" now? (in case you don't know that's the BB (centre axis) height above the wheel axle centres. BB height measurements are somewhat meaningless as that dimension changes with tyre size.

    Not sure, never felt the need to measure it.

    Did the minus plates alter the suspension feeling? It puts the linkage into a different part of it's "rate" so perhaps that might happen?

    Only thing I can say the suspension feels little more progressive.

    You're right to doubt the smartphone app, for quite a while I was convinced that my AM frame angles were too steep, but it was all down to app/iPhone inaccuracy. The issue of inaccuracy was revealed when I measured the seat tube, it seemed to be tapered!
    I checked by measuring the front and back of a fork stanchion which is obviously not tapered, this inevitably involved inverting the iPhone to avoid the buttons on one side of it - the measured angle changed by about 1.5 degrees.
    In retrospect, knowing that the iPhone was not designed to measure angles and has no sensor for that, the even level of accuracy it does have is amazing, so, OK for comparisons but not for outright reference measurements.

    Hey, anyone out there got any shock mount plates around -5 to sell or loan for test please? I think that would give me a BB rise of about 10mm - same as the new ION 18 and 20 - great for Alpine descents, not so great for pedal strike perhaps, lucky those plates allow swopping between settings when the bike is set for different terrain.

    If you come to belgium you can experiment a little bit. I have three sets now

    thanks

    neil

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    Quote Originally Posted by K2-manOriginally Posted by mudfish801
    Hi K2 man,
    <snip>

    [INDENT
    What frame was that by the way and what year, what shock? -13 is a BIG BB drop I'd have thought, unless you also had a longer than standard shock?[/INDENT]

    Running a AM frame in size small with a Rockshox Monarch plus Shock. I think it is actually 2010 or 2011 (not 100 % sure). Maybe you can tell from this link: none at none in Zonnebeke, Belgium - photo by K2-man - Pinkbike

    What is your bottom bracket "rise" now? (in case you don't know that's the BB (centre axis) height above the wheel axle centres. BB height measurements are somewhat meaningless as that dimension changes with tyre size.

    Not sure, never felt the need to measure it.

    Did the minus plates alter the suspension feeling? It puts the linkage into a different part of it's "rate" so perhaps that might happen?

    Only thing I can say the suspension feels little more progressive.

    <snip>


    Hey, anyone out there got any shock mount plates around -5 to sell or loan for test please? I think that would give me a BB rise of about 10mm - same as the new ION 18 and 20 - great for Alpine descents, not so great for pedal strike perhaps, lucky those plates allow swopping between settings when the bike is set for different terrain.

    If you come to belgium you can experiment a little bit. I have three sets now

    thanks

    neil.
    thanks very much K2man

    what a really great looking frame colour, Ti, I guess with black painted back end? '

    - it's hard to tell which AM you have, the shock length would partly give it away though, I believe the '10 had a 200mm shock and the '11 a 216mm.

    Looking at your shock mount plates in the pic they seem to be "-?" ones - yours might be a "transition" model, you could say an early '11. - in that case I believe the top tube had the same welded on mounts as a '10 frame and using the new '11 links and adjusted shock mount plates made it able to take the 216 shock.
    I am saying this because the plates look adjusted already in that pic, compared to mine.
    What are those plates in the picture? do they have a number stamped on?

    I would expect it might become more progressive, I would not mind that as I could run a soft spring.

    Thanks for the offer of a test that's very kind - it's quite a trip to Belgium from Brighton, though - however much I'd enjoy it.

    I believe my bike has a "zero" shock mount as standard, and Nicolai have recommended a -3 mount to give 6mm BB drop.
    My frame is a 2011 AM so, actually, the final '11 model with the '11 shock tabs on the frame and 2011 mount plates (they have no number stamped on, so, I presume are "zero")

    what shock mount plate do you have in addition to the -11 and -13? maybe a -7?
    might you loan the -7 to me by post? Lets talk it over? happy to pay a deposit.
    maybe you'd like to sell it?

    thanks
    neil

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    Adjusted Shock Mounts, AM early 2011 model

    Hia K2 man

    Quote Originally Posted by K2-man View Post
    Hello, The guys at Nicolai told me the tire will hit the seattube if you use the -15 mm plates in the 170 mm setting. I checked this my frame without damper installed and there is enough room, small frame.
    I think you can use the -15 because your frame is an early incarnation of the '011 AM. Since you told me your standard shock mount plates are -11, that means a -15 is effectively a 4mm adjustment. You mention that the tyre doesn't hit the seat tube with the -15 (effectively -4) mount and that's inline with my own findings.

    This is almost achievable with a offset bushing. Not quite though with the 8mm bolt and an offset bush only being usable at one end (the front end).

    thanks
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    Shock Mount plates for AM, the word from Nicolai

    Moritz at Nicolai writes:

    There are two offset shock mounts that might be interesting for you.

    The -3mm mounts cause about -0,5 head angle and 6mm bb drop. With these you can probably still run 171mm travel.

    The other option would be the -7mm mounts. These would bring down your bb about 13mm and slacken your HA 1,1. I think that would be too extreme and you would definitly not be able to use max travel.

    and

    No other measurements in a bikes geometry have such a great effect on the way the bike handles even with smallest changes than BB height and chain stay length.
    6mm BB drop and the slacker HA will definitly improve the stability at higher speed.

    Its good that you already tested, if there is enough space for your favorite tyres after adjustment. Many riders forget this aspect.

    Only -3, -7, -11, -13 and -15 mm shock mounts are available from Nicolai.



    I notice that Spesh run a zero BB rise on the Demo, the Nic IONs run +10mm BB rise. It's not a Demo 8 though, and never will be, and I'd like to retain full travel, so I'll probably try -3.

    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    I have a latest spec AM (thanks Dipper) and sometimes run a 170mm BOS Idylle SC and big old 2.5 (effective) tyres like Clutch and Hillbilly.
    When its set up like that the BB feels a touch high. Bit more high speed stability would be nice.

    I have a -1.5 cup in the 1.5 headtube so that option has already been taken.
    I was fancying a BB rise of about 10mm for Alpine and DH lite use.

    So, anyone tried Helius AM -5 shock plates or similar?
    Thanks lots

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    hi, i need a clarification about the geomtry of the frame:
    is it the same for the helius AM MY2011 and MY 2012????
    thanks a lot,
    vale

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    [pescecane]hi, i need a clarification about the geomtry of the frame:
    is it the same for the helius AM MY2011 and MY 2012????
    thanks a lot,
    vale[/QUOTE]
    I think you'll find you can tell by the shock length.
    My 2011 AM has a 216mm measured eye to eye. As far as I can tell it's the same as the current web listing.
    neil

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    hi, thanks a lot...so the HA would be 66.5 as showed ih the sheet:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...54&output=html

    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    [pescecane]hi, i need a clarification about the geomtry of the frame:
    is it the same for the helius AM MY2011 and MY 2012????
    thanks a lot,
    vale
    I think you'll find you can tell by the shock length.
    My 2011 AM has a 216mm measured eye to eye. As far as I can tell it's the same as the current web listing.
    neil[/QUOTE]

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    Nicolai Helius AM - Setup Database-8475345283_12efcb3848_b.jpg

    Frame, Size, & Color: Tailored geometry: 66 HA, 73.5 SA, +10mm BB drop, 595mm TT, 419mm reach, 430mm ST, zero stack tapered HT, Green Anodized frame, white levers with green caps and white caps on stays, Reverb stealth routing, ISCG03, 12mm rear axle, 'GeeTee' stamped on the chainstay
    * Fork: XFusion Vengeance HLR aet to 150mm (545mm A2C)
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Cane Creek Double Barrel 216mmx63mm with RCS Ti spring right for 157mm travel at 30% sag
    * Brakes: XTR Trail with Goodridge Hoses
    * Cranks: XTR
    * Shifters: XTR
    * Front Derailleur: Nah
    * Rear Derailleur: XTR 10-speed with Clutch Mech
    * Pedals: Nukeproof Neutron Ti
    * Stem: Thomson 50mm
    * Handlebar: Easton Havoc Carbon
    * Seatpost: Reverb Stealth
    * Saddle: Fizik Gobi
    * Bottom Bracket: Chris King
    * Cassette: SRAM XX 11-36
    * Chain: SRAM
    * Headset: Reset Racing Flatstack
    * Grips: ESI foam
    * Front Tire: Rubber Queen UST 2.2
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Enve Carbon AM with Sapim CX Ray 32 spokes
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Chris King 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Ardent 2.2 UST
    * Rear Rim: As front
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Chrisk King 12mm axle
    * Cables: Gore Ride On sealed
    * Misc: e13 LG1+ chain guide, modified with removal of lower guide
    * Overall Weight: 30lb 10ozs

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    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972 View Post
    * Fork: XFusion Vengeance HLR aet to 150mm (545mm A2C)
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Cane Creek Double Barrel 216mmx63mm with RCS Ti spring right for 157mm travel at 30% sag
    Is this AM or AC? 66deg with 150mm fork?

    Damn, I should have went for green anodized. For some reason rep talked me into powdercoated. (Not thaat I complain).

    I was meaning to post my ride in this thread, but I keep thinking I will change configuration (wheelset in particular). Probably would not happen, hard to justify when it already rides great (if a bit heavy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Is this AM or AC? 66deg with 150mm fork?
    It's an AM. Apart from being full custom geometry the XFusion fork is quite long. At 170mm full extension it's 565mm axle to crown so at 150mm its 545mm which is the referring measurement I built the frame around.

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