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    Geometry wise my AM could do with a shorter fork than the 160 Fox 36 because it makes the bb a little high and the seat angle a little slack... the head angle however is perfection so I've slid the seat toward on the rails and will continue to ride the hell out of it.

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    @TLR - forget the frame - that`s not issue now - Id like to get good opinions about coil forks

    edit: Let`s imagine that the frame is the first one prototype of RFX 2011 in Europe

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    Guys,

    any updates on your rigs or even completely new ones? Pictures, ride reports, setup changes, ... anything at all would be welcome !

    Cheers !

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    Have got the frame in the box. The CC is sold too this week, so just need to finish getting all the parts together and will post something up. If I get a chance will post up some pics of the frame in the next couple of days.

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    Nice. Do you take the parts off the CC? What colour is the AC?

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    Testmaen, as usual with these projects was going to take most parts from the CC, but...well, on the last ride on the CC doing the Nan Bield pass in the Lake District I broke the mechanism on the rear shifter, and with the cassette and chain well worn and the chain rings gone, decided to change the drive train - am considering going 1x10 with a chain device, but haven't decided exactly what yet.

    Other stuff will be 2010 Float 140mm (been on the CC for a shortwhile but bought originally for the AC), Hope tech V2's (going to sell the Marta's), getting some new wheels built - will be Chris Kings and probably a Stans rim of some sort (going to sell my I9's). Got a RP23 BV for the rear. Stem, seat post is Thomson stuff coming over from the CC. Hope headset to facilitate fork changing and a CK BB.

    Colour - well will have to wait until I post up the frame! Will try and do that today....

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    What i9s are you getting rid off?

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    Nick-o-lai,

    your CC is a "L", right ? Is the AC a "L" too ?

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    Ian - they are straight pull hubs laced onto Arch rims. QR15 front, QR rear. Recently re-built and never ridden, so basically new (hubs in good nick)

    Testmaen - yes, that's right. All mine are large, fit me like a glove.

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    What colour?

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    The hubs/wheels? They are black. Spokes are black too, with two red ones either side of the valve holes.

    http://gallery.me.com/nalee#100162/P1010893

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    Pm me a price you want?

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    FYI:

    Just had a look at the 2011 spreadsheet of the Helius AC and some (minor) things have changed:

    - shock size: 200x57mm
    - travel: 154/142/132/122 mm

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    Also:

    The order-generator says, that the 29er AC is 2049 €, standard 26er is 1849 €.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    FYI:

    Just had a look at the 2011 spreadsheet of the Helius AC and some (minor) things have changed:

    - shock size: 200x57mm
    - travel: 154/142/132/122 mm

    Is this the new link with "B" on it or something different?

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    That is about the AC, not the AM.

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    I was on about the AC.

    Nicolai-uk posted this on another post.Post 16

    Tank Girl Camo Helius AC

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    Hmm, ok, haven't seen this thread/post.

    Yeah, than this seems to be some kind of lever modification. I just noticed today surfing the N homepage, that there are some new tech-sheets and was rather surprised to see a new shock spec. for the AC.

    Haven't read about it on the German board, though. Maybe one of those "evolution, instead of revolution" modifications. Would have been nice though, to read it more "officially", instead of finding it deep, deep in the manual.

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    An Ac interests me ,Definitely with a longer stroke shock,Would only want 130ish travel but would like a coil,And i weigh 225lbs so longer stroke=lighter spring.
    I was surprised it wasn't specced with a 200x57 from the beginning.

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    Have you thought about the new Van RC ?

    It's a new coil-shock from Fox with rebound/compression adjustement only. Afaik also without pro-pedal. I think it's a nice option, if you don't want to go full-CCDB.


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    I have another CCDB sat in my living room

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    What fork are you considering ?

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    I already have it, Revelation 150mm,I have all the build kit.

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    Nice. Already set on the colour ?

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    Black ANO maybe a tint of Orange, But maybe not orange,Dont appear to be able to get X0 in orange anymore

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    Shame Fox discontinues the Van 32 series. At least it's not on their 2011 site. If they'd make it a 150mm, together with the Van RC that would make a reasonably light coil setup for bikes like the AC.

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    I had the old van 32r and didnt like it.
    The old Van rc shock was a good unit,had one on my Gemini.
    Was thinking if i dont like the Revelation/coil combination i might try a Marzocchi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Dont appear to be able to get X0 in orange anymore
    Medium/Long cage ? 9 speed, right ?


    Short:
    http://bikeparts-online.de/bpo_new/s...=art&id=147726

    Medium:
    http://www.bike-components.de/produc...dell-2010.html

    http://bikeparts-online.de/bpo_new/s...=art&id=147725

    Long:
    http://bikeparts-online.de/bpo_new/s...=art&id=147722

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    Thanks.Dosent appear to be in the 2011 catalogue.

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    The changes for the AC I posted were wrong, there has been a mistake in that tech-sheet. It's correct now.

    - shock dimensions stay the same: 200x51mm
    - travel options: 141 / 129 / 119 / 111 mm

    All 4 lever holes can be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    The changes for the AC I posted were wrong, there has been a mistake in that tech-sheet. It's correct now.

    - shock dimensions stay the same: 200x51mm
    - travel options: 141 / 129 / 119 / 111 mm

    All 4 lever holes can be used.

    Awesome new spec... The 2011 is 0.3 degrees slacker in HA, while keeping the same seat angle which makes the bike even more stable and better descender. It doesn't sound like much, but that change alone makes the wheelbase 9mm longer.

    Also, the leverage is lower on the 2011. Being the max leverage 2.78:1 while the old was 2.87:1. The lowest is 2.19:1 and the 2010 was 2.36:1. Nice!!! Kind of a nightmare for installing a coil over, but the lower leverages will serve well for a wider array of riders.

    I was happy with the old one... but I'm like only 10 stones. I can live with higher leverages.
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    Warp- Why would this be a nightmare for a coil-over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Warp- Why would this be a nightmare for a coil-over?
    Finding the right spring rate for the right hole you want.

    Sorry, I should have elaborated more as it reads as if the new leverages may be a problem, which it ain't the case. Sorry.

    Of course, if you don't mind much the travel but the feel, then it may be actually easier.
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    Ok,Thats what confused me,I think a CCDB would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Ok,Thats what confused me,I think a CCDB would be nice.
    Sure... now that I have a couple rides on the Monarch, I still prefer the feel of a coil. It bobs a little, but the suspension action is simply unbelievable.

    Not that the Monarch is a dud. I did not noticed any significant bob on tarmac with it but over rough stuff it felt like... uh... an air shock. But it's well behaved at any rate.
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    Warp- Is your Monarch running the "E" tune?

    Whats the problem with it on the rough stuff and how much sag do you run,What size Air can

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Warp- Is your Monarch running the "E" tune?

    Whats the problem with it on the rough stuff and how much sag do you run,What size Air can
    No, Sam... Mine is a "B" Tune. The E-Tune is not available in 2" (50.8mm) stroke which is the size I went with.

    I use it on the top hole which is the highest leverage available on my '10 AC. The B Tune is recommended for leverage ratios of about 2.5 to 2.8 on rising rate bikes like the AC. I run it in the 2.87 leverage hole (upper, longest travel).

    Not really any problem. It's just not a coil-over being less sensitive. I weigh 140pounds give or take according to amount of breakfast and water in camelbak, run 30% sag because I hate running less than 25% on ANY bike and I'm running the high volume air can.

    FG is set to a couple clicks from full open and I forgot about rebound.

    Don't get me wrong... I like the racey feel it has and in all honesty I have only a couple rides and it may still need some break in. The bikes pedals solidly even without any sort of lockout and I just noticed I had used quite some travel on tame trails because of the o-ring.

    I still have to run it in more aggro trails, though.
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    When i spoke to Karl Nicolai about a monarch rear shock he was very specific about "E" tune and standard size air can.
    If its using a lot of travel this could be because of the High volume can,You can reduce the volume on a monarch very easily with thin plastic by removing the oversize can and filling the space and then replacing oversize can ,I have seen genuine Rockshox rubber bands that do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    When i spoke to Karl Nicolai about a monarch rear shock he was very specific about "E" tune and standard size air can.
    If its using a lot of travel this could be because of the High volume can,You can reduce the volume on a monarch very easily with thin plastic by removing the oversize can and filling the space and then replacing oversize can ,I have seen genuine Rockshox rubber bands that do this.
    Not calling the man wrong, but the info from RS and their 2010 parts manual only have the D and E Tunes in 2.25 and 2.5 stroke. The 2" and smaller get the A, B and C tunes.

    I like how the bike it's using the travel. It doesn't wallow or squat. Maybe if I start riding harder, I'll reduce the air can to prevent bottom out. Karl also recommended a standard air can and I agree that it's much better for this bike and its intended use.

    Next step is breaking into the damper and touch the IFP pressure and shimming, but I ride so little as of late that I have not wanted to touch the shock for the moment.
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    Its the same in the Uk with the different tunes.Only available here with abc with larger can.
    I know what your saying about riding ,my Ion has been sat in the shed for 4 weeks and now its getting darker in the evenings and the weather is changing.

    I think the shim stack could be changed to provide the correct tune if you could buy the parts

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    To make confusion somewhat bigger, my re-posted changes were wrong again and the first changes "seem" to be right all along. For now.

    We had some interesting discussions an our German Nicolai the last days.

    Karl Nicolai personally cleared things up. The tech-sheet is correct now.

    There is a comprehensive pdf-document about the different alterations over the (short) life-span of the AC, eg. different levers etc. For now it's only in German. Link pdf. I hope you guys can open it, even if you aren't a forums-member.

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    Seems the new link is a "C" 146mm max travel using a 57mm shock.


    Cant open the link Testmaen.

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    @testmaen - unfortunately document link is not possible to open for not_members : (
    Would have been interesting to see that.

    In up-dated specs there is mentioned this new C-type umlenkhebel, but if those travels are really calculated using 57mm stroke, there`s really big change compared to older AC shock levers.
    Just wondering are these AC-frames compatible with older AC- levers or are there any other changes in levers structure than shaping and placement of holes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    @testmaen - unfortunately document link is not possible to open for not_members : (
    Would have been interesting to see that.

    In up-dated specs there is mentioned this new C-type umlenkhebel, but if those travels are really calculated using 57mm stroke, there`s really big change compared to older AC shock levers.
    Just wondering are these AC-frames compatible with older AC- levers or are there any other changes in levers structure than shaping and placement of holes?
    Please find attached said document. I had to downgrade quality in order to upload it to mtbr.

    Indeed, there's a big change compared to our (older) AC's. Leverages are dropped quite significantly and the bike will be better suited for average to heavier riders. Also, the interference issue with the top hole is eliminated. The head angle is a little slacker making the bike more stable.

    All good news, changes in the right direction. I wish I had waited to get all these changes into my bike, but I can't blame Nicolai for that and I'm happy about the continous evolution philosophy they have.

    I think the document does not cover all other changes on the bike, which should be nice to have... like the elimination of the second hole in the chainstays, the addition of zip-tie guides for the brake lines on the chainstays close to the bottom bracket, etc.

    Same question here? Are the new levers retrofittable to older AC's? I don't see any blockers not to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Please find attached said document. I had to downgrade quality in order to upload it to mtbr....
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    Same question here? Are the new levers retrofittable to older AC's? I don't see any blockers not to.
    Thanks Warp! Really interesting document, my Deutsch is rotten, but not so much...

    Generally those changes are the right movement from Nicolai, when AC goes slightly lighter and AM goes bigger. One year ago, when AC was still newborn, AC with A-levers and 57mm shock mounted in top hole (and fork with AC ~530mm) offered approx similar geo compared to AM with 51mm shock and 160mm fork...

    And that question I made are those new levers compatible with older frames was (in my case) only theorethical - Im not going to "downgrade" mine. If something is going to change, it will be the frame. And if it would be N-bike, then definately new AM...

    BTW - there are still at least one frame existing which is not fully A either full B - Ill suppose that my levers are labeled A (...have to check that ...) but top hole is not blocked

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    Thanks Warp for uploading the pdf-doc. I thought you guys could see that, like the pics I host at that forum. Well, I thought wrong.

    I haven't read the document completely, so I can't comment on the upgrade possibility yet. But I guess it's possible, since it's kind of a Nicolai policy, e.g. 216-levers for the AM.

    I report back, when I've read it.

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    The new "C"-lever can be retrofitted.

    The margin between getting 146mm of travel and not hitting the seattube with tire is slim, though. A rear-wheel diameter of 685mm, 690mm is not. Depends on the tire-rim-combo. I don't know what tires have high flanks and which not.

    It's written like that in the pdf-sheet. It's also written that tire-marks on the rear of the seattube are no reason for reclamation, since the owner is responsible for choosing the right tire-rim-combo and testing it with a collision test explained in tech-sheet-section.

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    What would happen if you ran a 200x57 on a "B" link in the second hole down,Would be pretty close to a "C" link in the upper hole

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    144mm, if I calculated correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    144mm, if I calculated correctly.

    So people that have the "B" type link could run a 57mm shock in the 2nd hole.

    Did i see an AC running a 200x57 in the top hole,that must give you well over 150mm of travel.

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