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    160s up front

    Is anyone using 160mm forks upfront on a AC and do you know what the maximum rear travel is with a 55mm stroke shock?

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    Is anyone successfully using either a Fox RP23 or DHX Air 7.875 x 2.25 stroke? Thanks

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    Leverage-ratio is 2,87 (=146/50.8), so max. travel with a 55mm shock should be 158mm.

    Goes probably not without the tire hitting the seattube. Not to mention voiding the warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    Leverage-ratio is 2,87 (=146/50.8), so max. travel with a 55mm shock should be 158mm.

    Goes probably not without the tire hitting the seattube. Not to mention voiding the warranty.
    Testmaen... Can you confirm the shock reducer sizes for an AC??

    22X6 and 49X8??? Where could I source the 49X8mm reducer? The common size is 50X8.

    Also, what kind of leverage should one expect from the AC? Falling, rising, etc?? Thanks!!
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    I'm sorry, I have for none of your questions an answer.

    You can always get the reducers from Nicolai.

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    Warp: yeah i'd just get the reducers off Nicolai or somewhere like mojo or the likes.
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    this tread really need more activity

    Done some shock testing during this week - Ive been 100% satisfied with my EX200 (200 mm i2i, 55mm stroke) installed to second highest hole - no problemo with rubbing etc.. , but borrowed CCDB with 57mm stroke from friend owning FR-frame (who also build nice reducers for me) for testing purposes. Used still the 2nd highest hole without problems. Spring Ive tested is 450lbs Ti- spring, which is almost suitable but bit too hard - want more sag - have to call LBS are there any 350/400 springs available- low speed actions are brilliant but not yet found best adjustments for high-speed activity - CCDB feels to be bit slow

    Any other tested CCDB with AC ? Any experiences? Anybody tried Fox DHX RC4 ? Any recommendations if there`s need for coil-shock suitable for wintertime usage (snow, slush, mud, minus-degrees, supercooled water... everything in same time) which offers same smoothness than EX200 ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Testmaen... Can you confirm the shock reducer sizes for an AC??

    22X6 and 49X8??? Where could I source the 49X8mm reducer? The common size is 50X8.
    Nicolai informs in their tech sheet 24 x 6 and 49 x 8 and they are correct at least with my M-sized AC-frame. When measuring those by myself, got 23,6 and 48,6 and reducers what I use now are 23,5 x 6 and 48,5 x 8. Bit tight but still easy to handle. 22 mm in front will be too narrow, imho.

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    pergamonx - great info on the 57mm stroke shock issue.
    Have you tried to wind out the HSC to zero ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    Nicolai informs in their tech sheet 24 x 6 and 49 x 8 and they are correct at least with my M-sized AC-frame. When measuring those by myself, got 23,6 and 48,6 and reducers what I use now are 23,5 x 6 and 48,5 x 8. Bit tight but still easy to handle. 22 mm in front will be too narrow, imho.
    Great info!!

    NOw I have to hurry up to get those puppies...

    Also, prime info on the shock. I'm glad to know my 57mm Romic will do the trick.

    How do you find leverage? Linear, ramps up?
    I see that you're feeling happy with a coil over... nice!!!
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    Got to get a AC 29er build up ;)

    This bike is a single track beast, handles superb.......

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AC 29er Custom Tangerine Orange
    * Fork: RS Reba Team Dual Air 29er w/ Maxle lite
    * Shock: Fox RP23 (2010)
    * Brakes: Magura Marta SL (203mm Front, 180mm Rear)
    * Cranks: SRAM XX
    * Shifters: SRAM XX
    * Front Derailleur: SRAM XX
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XX
    * Pedals: Time ATAC XS Carbon
    * Stem: Thomson
    * Handlebar: Easton EA70
    * Seatpost: Thomson
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Yutaak
    * Bottom Bracket: SRAM XX Ceramic
    * Cassette: SRAM XX
    * Chain: SRAM XX
    * Headset: Chris King Ti
    * Grips: ODI
    * Front Tire: Continental Mountain King 2.4
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Stans Flow / I9
    * Front Hub/Skewer: I9 / Maxle Lite
    * Rear Tire: Continental Mountain King 2.2
    * Rear Rim/Spokes: Stans Flow / I9
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: 12mm Maxel
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    pergamonx - great info on the 57mm stroke shock issue.
    Have you tried to wind out the HSC to zero ?
    Tried that too, but with the spring I got with CCDB and which was too hard. Found yesterday another spring, this time 400lbs steelish version and when changing the spring, adjusted all settings to factory ones. There was huge difference between old spring and this new one, got >35% sag and almost perfect smoothness / behaviour with low speeds - I had only few hours for testing late yesterday and not enough time really focus to high speed adjustments... will continue today and during weekend. But Ill wind HSC totally close too and reports will be available within next days.

    Testing and adjusting is bit challenging just now - few minus-degrees and total darkness in evenings are nothing, but my local trails are just freezing and there`s still water enough that bike is totally covered with muddy ice after few minutes of riding
    And my high-speed suspension test trail is temporary out of use - it`s few hundred meters long trail nearby my house and normally there are huge number of slippery crossing roots laying 10 - 25 cm above hard terrain in a way there`s 30cm - 1m between those ... great place to test suspension (and drivers skills too) but now there`s 30 cm water / ice everywhere...After every testing there`s need for use gallons of hot water only for melt those icepacks away from drivetrain and wash all your outer clothes ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    ... I'm glad to know my 57mm Romic will do the trick.
    How do you find leverage? Linear, ramps up?
    I see that you're feeling happy with a coil over... nice!!!
    Im sure 57mm Romic does the trick
    Even after not_yet_complited tests Ive done, I`m sure that my next shock will be with 57mm stroke. Ill do bit more testing with new (much better suitable) spring and write my feelings within next days. Actually there`s one issue making comparison so difficult - my baseline, EX200 is working so great in AC, that refining some other shock to meet that level takes time...

    If there would be an option to test Romic here too, I`d like to do that. Unfortunately, I don`t know anyone here using Romics. One local LBS sells CC, but other nice options like Romic, Avalanche or BOS requires taking a risk and ordering one. Ive not yet decided shall I use this option, to order BOS STOY from TFTuned for example ...

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    a little video with the helius ac in action
    http://www.youtube.com/user/infiniproshop

    a great bike this AC

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    Not fair! Not fair at ALL!!!!

    Look at this trail, look at that scenery, the weather ... you even wore shorts. And here it's windy, rainy and friggin' cold. Almost froze my feet of today on a 2.5 hrs ride. *argh*

    I spotted a few changes on your bike: how is the Monarch/Pike combo ?

    Sweet video btw!

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    Yes i change the dtswiss for monarch and i have Pike instead of dtswiss exc150, but i wait for the new revelation xx 150mm.

    The problem with the dt swiss shock is the platform setting, it's lock or open and i prefer the setting of monarch it's not completly lock like an rp23.

    And for the fork i prefer the look of the RS revelation, then the dtswiss work very well.

    So the combo monarch/pike is very good too.

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    Do you have a current picture of your setup, maybe a nice side profile shot ?

    I like new Revelation design, too. Looks very, ah, "masculin" .


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    I found some frame detail shots of a AC with Conehead headtube. Unfortunately no picture of the full frame.










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    Testmaen, yes I agree it is a great looking fork. Have a new 170 mm Lyric arriving this week to put on the FR....

    Great shots of part sof the AC frame too.... Very much like my 29er ..... LOL
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    No i wait for the revelation and i do it after ;-)

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    testy - we NEED fully built shots of that conehead AC + blue Xtra Love please

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    cyril - thanks for the video.
    that video shows why most UK mountain bikers are over-biked imo.
    the AC looks like it'll take ANYTHING regular trail riding could throw, yes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    testy - we NEED fully built shots of that conehead AC + blue Xtra Love please
    No can do. I found the pics on the website of a German bike-shop. As I said unfortunately no complete picture of the frame.

    The only 2 Nicolai's with Conehead I've seen so far, are these ...




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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    cyril - thanks for the video.
    that video shows why most UK mountain bikers are over-biked imo.
    the AC looks like it'll take ANYTHING regular trail riding could throw, yes ?
    yes he do and he can do much more

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    Stunner of a bike from the Nicolai custom bikes blog.


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    That is stunning.
    Agressive trail riding.I want it

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    That is stunning.
    Agressive trail riding.I want it
    A 29er Helius AC is a weapon on agressive trail riding.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    ...only few hours for testing late yesterday and not enough time really focus to high speed adjustments... will continue today and during weekend. But Ill wind HSC totally close too and reports will be available within next days.
    Bit more experiences about my life with CCDB
    As wrote earlier, started with combination of 2009-version of CCDB and 450lbs NukeProof- TI-spring. Not good. Found 400 lbs steel spring and voila` - much better. Found really good settings, for both LS and HS. And noticed that 450 lbs TI-spring was not 450lbs, it was 500 lbs ... Wanted to test 450 too, found again one. Almost as nice as 400 lbs, have not yet decided which one Ill like more. But next the most interesting part - using 200mm shock with 57mm stroke and ~ 40% sag vs. different mounting holes available vs. rubbing...

    Took the spring totally away, adjusted HSC to nearly zero and installed CCDB to second hole from top - when putting weight so much that stroke was total used (simulating case of bottoming), there was nearly 2 cm space between rear tyre and clamp of front derailleur and clearly more to seat tube. My conclusion: if shock will not broke totally and when the rear triangle is stiff like it is, there`s no risk for rubbing. My rear tyre is just now WTB Weirwolf LT 2.5, which is medium sized compared to other 2.5`s.

    Next swapped CCDB to top hole, same measurements. About 1,5 cm from tyre to clamp. What a hell... are my chain stays longer or what ...
    Putted spring back and tested top hole in riding. Feeling was... hmmm - different, adjustments I found when using 2nd top hole worked very well, but were not fully perfect. Then tried 3rd hole from top, really different feeling... there`s a need for different settings for shock too.

    So, my conclusions so far:
    - CCDB is so nice toy, that I bought one
    - for my weight 400 lbs and 450 lbs springs works nice - have to decide which one is better if going to buy Ti- spring
    - 2nd top hole mounting is fine, but with the top hole, riding is maybe even more fun
    - testing will continue ...

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    pergamonx--

    Can we have a picture of your Ac with the CCDB.

    The Double barrel 57mm can be reduced in stroke by using a special spacer too 50mm, its available from Cane creek,it then uses shorter spring as well(2" stroke),Malcolm at cane creek told me this yesterday , I am suprised that there is that much clearance running a 57mm stroke.

    I am definitely thinking an Ac will be my new bike in 2011 with my double barrel fitted

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    I'd like to see that CCDB spec'd AC, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    My conclusion: if shock will not broke totally and when the rear triangle is stiff like it is, there`s no risk for rubbing. My rear tyre is just now WTB Weirwolf LT 2.5, which is medium sized compared to other 2.5`s.

    Next swapped CCDB to top hole, same measurements. About 1,5 cm from tyre to clamp. What a hell... are my chain stays longer or what ...
    If the info from Nicolai is correct and max travel is 146mm with a 50mm shock, then you'd be getting 162mm with a 2.25 (57mm) one.

    Not bad, uh?

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    [QUOTE=norcosam]pergamonx-- Can we have a picture of your Ac with the CCDB. /QUOTE]

    Here`s few really fresh ones. With poor quality and too messy background - there was too dark outside. Bike is just after quick wash (muddy testing period today too...) and some stripping - took mudguards and lights away
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Nicolai Helius AC - Setup Database-helius-ac-ccdb.jpg  

    Nicolai Helius AC - Setup Database-ccdb.jpg  


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    Thanks,

    Plenty of room around the shock.

    I like it 162mm of travel not bad for a trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    If the info from Nicolai is correct and max travel is 146mm with a 50mm shock, then you'd be getting 162mm with a 2.25 (57mm) one.

    Not bad, uh?

    I can't wait for mine to arrive!
    Yes, my calc says the same. But IMHO, I don`t care is there 146 or 155 or 162 mm of travel - more important is the quality of travel and the fact that there will be enough of it for my needs
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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    ...I like it 162mm of travel not bad for a trail bike.
    Nope. Like it too. Measured also BB height using those settings pics shows - center of BB is now 34,5 cm, have still need to measure it when my weight will be on ... Settings Ill use now, mainly spring tension and LSC keeps BB clearly higher when pedalling - there`s practically no bob at all in rear side

    I know that this combination of nearly_lightest_fork available and anchor-weighted shock looks bit insane, but the whole suspension is great. Can really recommend that to others too.

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    A new AC just arrived in France for Xmas...

    Riding terrain conditions: French Alps (sometimes Italian Alps but not a lot...)

    * Rider height: 1.84, weight: 80kgs, ride style: all mountain

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Size L standard geometry
    * Fork: RS Revelation Team Dual air 150 maxxle
    * Shock, Fox DHX Air 2009 200mm, stroke 51mm
    * Brakes: Shimano XT 180mm front/rear with 2010 Floating discs
    * Cranks: Shimano Deore XT M770 with titznium 20T inner ring
    * Shifters: SRAM X9
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT M771
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO 2007
    * Pedals: X-Pedo magnesium
    * Stem: Thomson X4 70mm
    * Handlebar: Easton EA70 Monkey bar
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 400mm
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Flite Gel Flow Titanium
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano XTR FC-M970
    * Cassette: Shimano Deore XT M770 11/34
    * Chain: SRAM pg991
    * Headset: Acros AH 07
    * Grips: ODI lock-on Rogue
    * Front Tire: Schwalbe Albert Snakeskin 2.25 tubetype 2008 no tube mount (Specialized clutch Sx 2.30 to come)
    * Front wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap
    * Rear Tire: Schwalbe Smart Sam Alpencross 2.25 tubetype no tube mount
    * Rear wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap & RWS thru bolt Quick Release
    * Cables: Shimano XTR with SIS SP41 housing
    * Misc: Hope Head Doctor sar nut & Hope seat collar
    * Overall Weight: 13.1kgs

    Assembling was finished this morning and bike hasn't been tested yet... may be tomorrow if weather agrees...


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    Oohh la la, formidable! Cest tres tres joli.

    Alez alez!

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    Very nice.

    And a good weight

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    let us know how it rides
    not sure about the DHX-Air though - Why not the RP23 or Monarch 4.2 Dual Chamber ?

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    Just waiting for springtime to ride

    About DHX Air choice, I had a really interesting price on this shock and the possibility to manage finely end of travel is theoretically an advantage... so let me check and tell you in the next days/weeks/monthes... depending on weather conditions.

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    djill - thanks and i hope the trails become yours soon

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    Very nice ride....

    Quote Originally Posted by Djill de Gre
    A new AC just arrived in France for Xmas...

    Riding terrain conditions: French Alps (sometimes Italian Alps but not a lot...)

    * Rider height: 1.84, weight: 80kgs, ride style: all mountain

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Size L standard geometry
    * Fork: RS Revelation Team Dual air 150 maxxle
    * Shock, Fox DHX Air 2009 200mm, stroke 51mm
    * Brakes: Shimano XT 180mm front/rear with 2010 Floating discs
    * Cranks: Shimano Deore XT M770 with titznium 20T inner ring
    * Shifters: SRAM X9
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT M771
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO 2007
    * Pedals: X-Pedo magnesium
    * Stem: Thomson X4 70mm
    * Handlebar: Easton EA70 Monkey bar
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 400mm
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Flite Gel Flow Titanium
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano XTR FC-M970
    * Cassette: Shimano Deore XT M770 11/34
    * Chain: SRAM pg991
    * Headset: Acros AH 07
    * Grips: ODI lock-on Rogue
    * Front Tire: Schwalbe Albert Snakeskin 2.25 tubetype 2008 no tube mount (Specialized clutch Sx 2.30 to come)
    * Front wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap
    * Rear Tire: Schwalbe Smart Sam Alpencross 2.25 tubetype no tube mount
    * Rear wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap & RWS thru bolt Quick Release
    * Cables: Shimano XTR with SIS SP41 housing
    * Misc: Hope Head Doctor sar nut & Hope seat collar
    * Overall Weight: 13.1kgs

    Assembling was finished this morning and bike hasn't been tested yet... may be tomorrow if weather agrees...


    Love the colour and like TLR, looking forward to hearing how it rides.......

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    anymore ride impressions people ?
    pedal strike ?
    shock strokes being used ?
    shocks being used ?
    forks being used and travel ?
    bikes balance ?
    climbing abilities ?
    stiffness / tracking ?

    etc.......


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    The hoses & cables on cyril 88's AC are clipped to the frame rather than using zip tyes.
    Do any (UK if possible) of you know who stocks them & what they are called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfb1
    The hoses & cables on cyril 88's AC are clipped to the frame rather than using zip tyes.
    Do any (UK if possible) of you know who stocks them & what they are called.
    The cable clips are used by many bike manufacturers. If you want genuine Nicolai cable clips you can order them from your local Nicolai dealer (only available as a set I think) or if you're not fussed about make you can ask your LBS for some as they will either have some spare lying around or can order some for you.

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    thanks sdr , as I have an AC on order the easiest way should be to get a set with the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfb1
    thanks sdr , as I have an AC on order the easiest way should be to get a set with the frame.
    That's another way to obtain them....Buy a set of cable clips and you get a free frame .

    You will get a set with the frame. some people prefer to use cable ties as the clips don't always clamp the cables tight enough. braided brake hoses tend to be a nice tight fit but Shimano gear cables and the like tend to be to small for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdr08
    You will get a set with the frame.
    Off from the top of my head, mine came with one of those snap-on clip and two zip ties.

    The clip is for the guide welded near the head tube on the down tube, the zips for the guides on the swingarm. The rest gets fastened with the hardware provided with the frame except for the guide welded on the swingarm on the left chainstay for the rear brake... or maybe I lost it and I got two with the package.



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    Just noticed that Warps and the Gates AC the cable guides on the Bottom arm have moved closer to the pivot.Is this to stop cable rub or was this a special request?

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    It`s not any special request - in new AC / AM frames those guides are moved closer, probably because of avoiding rubbing. Saw today first one frame with those and wasn`t very impressed - older construction made possible to cross cables behind seat tube - this one does not ...

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