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    160s up front

    Is anyone using 160mm forks upfront on a AC and do you know what the maximum rear travel is with a 55mm stroke shock?

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    Is anyone successfully using either a Fox RP23 or DHX Air 7.875 x 2.25 stroke? Thanks

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    Leverage-ratio is 2,87 (=146/50.8), so max. travel with a 55mm shock should be 158mm.

    Goes probably not without the tire hitting the seattube. Not to mention voiding the warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    Leverage-ratio is 2,87 (=146/50.8), so max. travel with a 55mm shock should be 158mm.

    Goes probably not without the tire hitting the seattube. Not to mention voiding the warranty.
    Testmaen... Can you confirm the shock reducer sizes for an AC??

    22X6 and 49X8??? Where could I source the 49X8mm reducer? The common size is 50X8.

    Also, what kind of leverage should one expect from the AC? Falling, rising, etc?? Thanks!!
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    I'm sorry, I have for none of your questions an answer.

    You can always get the reducers from Nicolai.

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    Warp: yeah i'd just get the reducers off Nicolai or somewhere like mojo or the likes.
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    this tread really need more activity

    Done some shock testing during this week - IŽve been 100% satisfied with my EX200 (200 mm i2i, 55mm stroke) installed to second highest hole - no problemo with rubbing etc.. , but borrowed CCDB with 57mm stroke from friend owning FR-frame (who also build nice reducers for me) for testing purposes. Used still the 2nd highest hole without problems. Spring IŽve tested is 450lbs Ti- spring, which is almost suitable but bit too hard - want more sag - have to call LBS are there any 350/400 springs available- low speed actions are brilliant but not yet found best adjustments for high-speed activity - CCDB feels to be bit slow

    Any other tested CCDB with AC ? Any experiences? Anybody tried Fox DHX RC4 ? Any recommendations if there`s need for coil-shock suitable for wintertime usage (snow, slush, mud, minus-degrees, supercooled water... everything in same time) which offers same smoothness than EX200 ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Testmaen... Can you confirm the shock reducer sizes for an AC??

    22X6 and 49X8??? Where could I source the 49X8mm reducer? The common size is 50X8.
    Nicolai informs in their tech sheet 24 x 6 and 49 x 8 and they are correct at least with my M-sized AC-frame. When measuring those by myself, got 23,6 and 48,6 and reducers what I use now are 23,5 x 6 and 48,5 x 8. Bit tight but still easy to handle. 22 mm in front will be too narrow, imho.

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    pergamonx - great info on the 57mm stroke shock issue.
    Have you tried to wind out the HSC to zero ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    Nicolai informs in their tech sheet 24 x 6 and 49 x 8 and they are correct at least with my M-sized AC-frame. When measuring those by myself, got 23,6 and 48,6 and reducers what I use now are 23,5 x 6 and 48,5 x 8. Bit tight but still easy to handle. 22 mm in front will be too narrow, imho.
    Great info!!

    NOw I have to hurry up to get those puppies...

    Also, prime info on the shock. I'm glad to know my 57mm Romic will do the trick.

    How do you find leverage? Linear, ramps up?
    I see that you're feeling happy with a coil over... nice!!!
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    Got to get a AC 29er build up ;)

    This bike is a single track beast, handles superb.......

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AC 29er Custom Tangerine Orange
    * Fork: RS Reba Team Dual Air 29er w/ Maxle lite
    * Shock: Fox RP23 (2010)
    * Brakes: Magura Marta SL (203mm Front, 180mm Rear)
    * Cranks: SRAM XX
    * Shifters: SRAM XX
    * Front Derailleur: SRAM XX
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XX
    * Pedals: Time ATAC XS Carbon
    * Stem: Thomson
    * Handlebar: Easton EA70
    * Seatpost: Thomson
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Yutaak
    * Bottom Bracket: SRAM XX Ceramic
    * Cassette: SRAM XX
    * Chain: SRAM XX
    * Headset: Chris King Ti
    * Grips: ODI
    * Front Tire: Continental Mountain King 2.4
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Stans Flow / I9
    * Front Hub/Skewer: I9 / Maxle Lite
    * Rear Tire: Continental Mountain King 2.2
    * Rear Rim/Spokes: Stans Flow / I9
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: 12mm Maxel
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    pergamonx - great info on the 57mm stroke shock issue.
    Have you tried to wind out the HSC to zero ?
    Tried that too, but with the spring I got with CCDB and which was too hard. Found yesterday another spring, this time 400lbs steelish version and when changing the spring, adjusted all settings to factory ones. There was huge difference between old spring and this new one, got >35% sag and almost perfect smoothness / behaviour with low speeds - I had only few hours for testing late yesterday and not enough time really focus to high speed adjustments... will continue today and during weekend. But IŽll wind HSC totally close too and reports will be available within next days.

    Testing and adjusting is bit challenging just now - few minus-degrees and total darkness in evenings are nothing, but my local trails are just freezing and there`s still water enough that bike is totally covered with muddy ice after few minutes of riding
    And my high-speed suspension test trail is temporary out of use - it`s few hundred meters long trail nearby my house and normally there are huge number of slippery crossing roots laying 10 - 25 cm above hard terrain in a way there`s 30cm - 1m between those ... great place to test suspension (and drivers skills too) but now there`s 30 cm water / ice everywhere...After every testing there`s need for use gallons of hot water only for melt those icepacks away from drivetrain and wash all your outer clothes ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    ... I'm glad to know my 57mm Romic will do the trick.
    How do you find leverage? Linear, ramps up?
    I see that you're feeling happy with a coil over... nice!!!
    IŽm sure 57mm Romic does the trick
    Even after not_yet_complited tests IŽve done, I`m sure that my next shock will be with 57mm stroke. IŽll do bit more testing with new (much better suitable) spring and write my feelings within next days. Actually there`s one issue making comparison so difficult - my baseline, EX200 is working so great in AC, that refining some other shock to meet that level takes time...

    If there would be an option to test Romic here too, I`d like to do that. Unfortunately, I don`t know anyone here using Romics. One local LBS sells CC, but other nice options like Romic, Avalanche or BOS requires taking a risk and ordering one. IŽve not yet decided shall I use this option, to order BOS STOY from TFTuned for example ...

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    a little video with the helius ac in action
    http://www.youtube.com/user/infiniproshop

    a great bike this AC

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    Not fair! Not fair at ALL!!!!

    Look at this trail, look at that scenery, the weather ... you even wore shorts. And here it's windy, rainy and friggin' cold. Almost froze my feet of today on a 2.5 hrs ride. *argh*

    I spotted a few changes on your bike: how is the Monarch/Pike combo ?

    Sweet video btw!

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    Yes i change the dtswiss for monarch and i have Pike instead of dtswiss exc150, but i wait for the new revelation xx 150mm.

    The problem with the dt swiss shock is the platform setting, it's lock or open and i prefer the setting of monarch it's not completly lock like an rp23.

    And for the fork i prefer the look of the RS revelation, then the dtswiss work very well.

    So the combo monarch/pike is very good too.

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    Do you have a current picture of your setup, maybe a nice side profile shot ?

    I like new Revelation design, too. Looks very, ah, "masculin" .


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    I found some frame detail shots of a AC with Conehead headtube. Unfortunately no picture of the full frame.










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    Testmaen, yes I agree it is a great looking fork. Have a new 170 mm Lyric arriving this week to put on the FR....

    Great shots of part sof the AC frame too.... Very much like my 29er ..... LOL
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    No i wait for the revelation and i do it after ;-)

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    testy - we NEED fully built shots of that conehead AC + blue Xtra Love please

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    cyril - thanks for the video.
    that video shows why most UK mountain bikers are over-biked imo.
    the AC looks like it'll take ANYTHING regular trail riding could throw, yes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    testy - we NEED fully built shots of that conehead AC + blue Xtra Love please
    No can do. I found the pics on the website of a German bike-shop. As I said unfortunately no complete picture of the frame.

    The only 2 Nicolai's with Conehead I've seen so far, are these ...




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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    cyril - thanks for the video.
    that video shows why most UK mountain bikers are over-biked imo.
    the AC looks like it'll take ANYTHING regular trail riding could throw, yes ?
    yes he do and he can do much more

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    Stunner of a bike from the Nicolai custom bikes blog.


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    That is stunning.
    Agressive trail riding.I want it

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    That is stunning.
    Agressive trail riding.I want it
    A 29er Helius AC is a weapon on agressive trail riding.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    ...only few hours for testing late yesterday and not enough time really focus to high speed adjustments... will continue today and during weekend. But IŽll wind HSC totally close too and reports will be available within next days.
    Bit more experiences about my life with CCDB
    As wrote earlier, started with combination of 2009-version of CCDB and 450lbs NukeProof- TI-spring. Not good. Found 400 lbs steel spring and voila` - much better. Found really good settings, for both LS and HS. And noticed that 450 lbs TI-spring was not 450lbs, it was 500 lbs ... Wanted to test 450 too, found again one. Almost as nice as 400 lbs, have not yet decided which one IŽll like more. But next the most interesting part - using 200mm shock with 57mm stroke and ~ 40% sag vs. different mounting holes available vs. rubbing...

    Took the spring totally away, adjusted HSC to nearly zero and installed CCDB to second hole from top - when putting weight so much that stroke was total used (simulating case of bottoming), there was nearly 2 cm space between rear tyre and clamp of front derailleur and clearly more to seat tube. My conclusion: if shock will not broke totally and when the rear triangle is stiff like it is, there`s no risk for rubbing. My rear tyre is just now WTB Weirwolf LT 2.5, which is medium sized compared to other 2.5`s.

    Next swapped CCDB to top hole, same measurements. About 1,5 cm from tyre to clamp. What a hell... are my chain stays longer or what ...
    Putted spring back and tested top hole in riding. Feeling was... hmmm - different, adjustments I found when using 2nd top hole worked very well, but were not fully perfect. Then tried 3rd hole from top, really different feeling... there`s a need for different settings for shock too.

    So, my conclusions so far:
    - CCDB is so nice toy, that I bought one
    - for my weight 400 lbs and 450 lbs springs works nice - have to decide which one is better if going to buy Ti- spring
    - 2nd top hole mounting is fine, but with the top hole, riding is maybe even more fun
    - testing will continue ...

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    pergamonx--

    Can we have a picture of your Ac with the CCDB.

    The Double barrel 57mm can be reduced in stroke by using a special spacer too 50mm, its available from Cane creek,it then uses shorter spring as well(2" stroke),Malcolm at cane creek told me this yesterday , I am suprised that there is that much clearance running a 57mm stroke.

    I am definitely thinking an Ac will be my new bike in 2011 with my double barrel fitted

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    I'd like to see that CCDB spec'd AC, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    My conclusion: if shock will not broke totally and when the rear triangle is stiff like it is, there`s no risk for rubbing. My rear tyre is just now WTB Weirwolf LT 2.5, which is medium sized compared to other 2.5`s.

    Next swapped CCDB to top hole, same measurements. About 1,5 cm from tyre to clamp. What a hell... are my chain stays longer or what ...
    If the info from Nicolai is correct and max travel is 146mm with a 50mm shock, then you'd be getting 162mm with a 2.25 (57mm) one.

    Not bad, uh?

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    [QUOTE=norcosam]pergamonx-- Can we have a picture of your Ac with the CCDB. /QUOTE]

    Here`s few really fresh ones. With poor quality and too messy background - there was too dark outside. Bike is just after quick wash (muddy testing period today too...) and some stripping - took mudguards and lights away
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Nicolai Helius AC - Setup Database-helius-ac-ccdb.jpg  

    Nicolai Helius AC - Setup Database-ccdb.jpg  


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    Thanks,

    Plenty of room around the shock.

    I like it 162mm of travel not bad for a trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    If the info from Nicolai is correct and max travel is 146mm with a 50mm shock, then you'd be getting 162mm with a 2.25 (57mm) one.

    Not bad, uh?

    I can't wait for mine to arrive!
    Yes, my calc says the same. But IMHO, I don`t care is there 146 or 155 or 162 mm of travel - more important is the quality of travel and the fact that there will be enough of it for my needs
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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    ...I like it 162mm of travel not bad for a trail bike.
    Nope. Like it too. Measured also BB height using those settings pics shows - center of BB is now 34,5 cm, have still need to measure it when my weight will be on ... Settings IŽll use now, mainly spring tension and LSC keeps BB clearly higher when pedalling - there`s practically no bob at all in rear side

    I know that this combination of nearly_lightest_fork available and anchor-weighted shock looks bit insane, but the whole suspension is great. Can really recommend that to others too.

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    A new AC just arrived in France for Xmas...

    Riding terrain conditions: French Alps (sometimes Italian Alps but not a lot...)

    * Rider height: 1.84, weight: 80kgs, ride style: all mountain

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Size L standard geometry
    * Fork: RS Revelation Team Dual air 150 maxxle
    * Shock, Fox DHX Air 2009 200mm, stroke 51mm
    * Brakes: Shimano XT 180mm front/rear with 2010 Floating discs
    * Cranks: Shimano Deore XT M770 with titznium 20T inner ring
    * Shifters: SRAM X9
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT M771
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO 2007
    * Pedals: X-Pedo magnesium
    * Stem: Thomson X4 70mm
    * Handlebar: Easton EA70 Monkey bar
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 400mm
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Flite Gel Flow Titanium
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano XTR FC-M970
    * Cassette: Shimano Deore XT M770 11/34
    * Chain: SRAM pg991
    * Headset: Acros AH 07
    * Grips: ODI lock-on Rogue
    * Front Tire: Schwalbe Albert Snakeskin 2.25 tubetype 2008 no tube mount (Specialized clutch Sx 2.30 to come)
    * Front wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap
    * Rear Tire: Schwalbe Smart Sam Alpencross 2.25 tubetype no tube mount
    * Rear wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap & RWS thru bolt Quick Release
    * Cables: Shimano XTR with SIS SP41 housing
    * Misc: Hope Head Doctor sar nut & Hope seat collar
    * Overall Weight: 13.1kgs

    Assembling was finished this morning and bike hasn't been tested yet... may be tomorrow if weather agrees...


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    Oohh la la, formidable! Cest tres tres joli.

    Alez alez!

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    Very nice.

    And a good weight

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    let us know how it rides
    not sure about the DHX-Air though - Why not the RP23 or Monarch 4.2 Dual Chamber ?

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    Just waiting for springtime to ride

    About DHX Air choice, I had a really interesting price on this shock and the possibility to manage finely end of travel is theoretically an advantage... so let me check and tell you in the next days/weeks/monthes... depending on weather conditions.

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    djill - thanks and i hope the trails become yours soon

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    Very nice ride....

    Quote Originally Posted by Djill de Gre
    A new AC just arrived in France for Xmas...

    Riding terrain conditions: French Alps (sometimes Italian Alps but not a lot...)

    * Rider height: 1.84, weight: 80kgs, ride style: all mountain

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Size L standard geometry
    * Fork: RS Revelation Team Dual air 150 maxxle
    * Shock, Fox DHX Air 2009 200mm, stroke 51mm
    * Brakes: Shimano XT 180mm front/rear with 2010 Floating discs
    * Cranks: Shimano Deore XT M770 with titznium 20T inner ring
    * Shifters: SRAM X9
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT M771
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO 2007
    * Pedals: X-Pedo magnesium
    * Stem: Thomson X4 70mm
    * Handlebar: Easton EA70 Monkey bar
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 400mm
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Flite Gel Flow Titanium
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano XTR FC-M970
    * Cassette: Shimano Deore XT M770 11/34
    * Chain: SRAM pg991
    * Headset: Acros AH 07
    * Grips: ODI lock-on Rogue
    * Front Tire: Schwalbe Albert Snakeskin 2.25 tubetype 2008 no tube mount (Specialized clutch Sx 2.30 to come)
    * Front wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap
    * Rear Tire: Schwalbe Smart Sam Alpencross 2.25 tubetype no tube mount
    * Rear wheel : DT Swiss EX 1750 with No Tube flap & RWS thru bolt Quick Release
    * Cables: Shimano XTR with SIS SP41 housing
    * Misc: Hope Head Doctor sar nut & Hope seat collar
    * Overall Weight: 13.1kgs

    Assembling was finished this morning and bike hasn't been tested yet... may be tomorrow if weather agrees...


    Love the colour and like TLR, looking forward to hearing how it rides.......

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    anymore ride impressions people ?
    pedal strike ?
    shock strokes being used ?
    shocks being used ?
    forks being used and travel ?
    bikes balance ?
    climbing abilities ?
    stiffness / tracking ?

    etc.......


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    The hoses & cables on cyril 88's AC are clipped to the frame rather than using zip tyes.
    Do any (UK if possible) of you know who stocks them & what they are called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfb1
    The hoses & cables on cyril 88's AC are clipped to the frame rather than using zip tyes.
    Do any (UK if possible) of you know who stocks them & what they are called.
    The cable clips are used by many bike manufacturers. If you want genuine Nicolai cable clips you can order them from your local Nicolai dealer (only available as a set I think) or if you're not fussed about make you can ask your LBS for some as they will either have some spare lying around or can order some for you.

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    thanks sdr , as I have an AC on order the easiest way should be to get a set with the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfb1
    thanks sdr , as I have an AC on order the easiest way should be to get a set with the frame.
    That's another way to obtain them....Buy a set of cable clips and you get a free frame .

    You will get a set with the frame. some people prefer to use cable ties as the clips don't always clamp the cables tight enough. braided brake hoses tend to be a nice tight fit but Shimano gear cables and the like tend to be to small for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdr08
    You will get a set with the frame.
    Off from the top of my head, mine came with one of those snap-on clip and two zip ties.

    The clip is for the guide welded near the head tube on the down tube, the zips for the guides on the swingarm. The rest gets fastened with the hardware provided with the frame except for the guide welded on the swingarm on the left chainstay for the rear brake... or maybe I lost it and I got two with the package.



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    Just noticed that Warps and the Gates AC the cable guides on the Bottom arm have moved closer to the pivot.Is this to stop cable rub or was this a special request?

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    It`s not any special request - in new AC / AM frames those guides are moved closer, probably because of avoiding rubbing. Saw today first one frame with those and wasn`t very impressed - older construction made possible to cross cables behind seat tube - this one does not ...

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    Thanks pergamonx.

    How does your AC ride?

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    Anyone thinking of running a 57mm stroke shock in the middle travel setting, should give around the same travel 148mm as the 51mm in the top hole but with the advantages of a longer stroke. Nicolai spec a 57mm stroke monarch even though a 51mm is available so they mush have tried it.

    thoughts anyone.

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    @norcosam - thanks - AC is still nice. After changing shock to CCDB, the next "project" was finding another fork for winter riding (winter means here this year actually too much snow - there`s ~75 cm powder everywhere and temps between - 5C -> -25C...) and picked up Fox Vanilla 32 RLC Fit 2010. Using that now with medium spring and it worked as smooth yesterday evening (-15C) than in summer ... But really not much biking - too much loose snow in trails, have skied (cross-country) a lot instead
    BTW - ordered few days ago 450lbs TI-spring from Diverse (US) and Obtainium bearings for CCDB ... not got them yet ...

    @smh151 - IŽll suppose quite many AC-owners will have a shock with 57mm stroke, including myself, and they have played with lower holes too. IŽve used my 200mm / 57mm air/ coil shocks mounted to all holes, also the top one, without problems.
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    I am ordering an AC frame from my LBS tomorrow, with this mix of bits - some are from my old frame - some new:

    Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc

    5'8" 72kg, XC, trail centres, local woods, all day rides (this bike). Little or no jumping. Have 160mm bike for Alps & a race bike for races.

    * Frame, Size, & Color: M, Ano Ti Front, Ano Black rear, extra love red ano
    * Fork: Fox Talas 140mm RL
    * Shock, i2i, stroke RP23
    * Brakes: Hope X2
    * Cranks: XTR
    * Shifters: XTR
    * Front Derailleur: XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: XTR
    * Pedals: Eggbeater 2Ti
    * Stem: Thomson 4X, size to be decided
    * Handlebar: Easton Monkeylite
    * Seatpost: Thomson layback Elite
    * Saddle: TBN
    * Bottom Bracket: Hope SS Red
    * Cassette: SRAM PG990 Red
    * Chain: SRAM
    * Headset: Hope red
    * Grips: ODI - haven't decided which
    * Front Tire: TBN - Nobby Nics?
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic CrossMax ST F & R
    * Front Hub/Skewer:
    * Rear Tire:
    * Rear Rim:
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    * Cables: TBN
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    * Overall Weight: Trying to get somewhere near 26 pounds. Feeling confident.

    Thoughts?

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    28lbs would be more realistic. nicolai's aren't particularly light framsets. nice and strong however.
    wheels are the biggest factor .
    good luck and post pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainian
    I am ordering an AC frame from my LBS tomorrow, with this mix of bits - some are from my old frame - some new:

    Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc

    5'8" 72kg, XC, trail centres, local woods, all day rides (this bike). Little or no jumping. Have 160mm bike for Alps & a race bike for races.
    Thoughts?
    Awesome build. 26# sounds a bit too light. Please consider it's a 3.05kg (6.7# frame if it comes at claimed weight) once an air shock is considered. It's a 5.5" travel bike and meant for rather aggressive riding, just skipping the big jumps.

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    Thanks Warp

    Nicolai website claims 2.6kg / 5.73 pounds.
    I am adding 225g for a shock which comes in at 2.83kg/6.23pounds


    Are they over optomistic!?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainian
    Thanks Warp

    Nicolai website claims 2.6kg / 5.73 pounds.
    I am adding 225g for a shock which comes in at 2.83kg/6.23pounds


    Are they over optomistic!?!?!?
    No, my memory sucks. Indeed, it's 2.6kg. I had 2.8 in mind, plus 250grs for an air shock.

    Not a bad figure. I actually like it. I have not ridden the frame yet, but it feels really solid all around. My Switchblade had an indestructible rear end, but the front triangle felt lighter in comparison.

    The AC has nice thick walls at the headtube, nice gussets, etc. You don't have to be an engineer to appreciate the piece receiving the bottom bracket. Really solid.

    There's gotta be some meat there to substantiate a transferable 5yrs warranty even under racing use.
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    ... and if we just ...

    Thanks Warp - you had me worried!

    My Lapierre Spicy 916 (6.5" bike) weighs in at 29.5 pounds and I want the AC to be comfortable below that. Yes - I am a weight weenie!

    I was torn between the AC and CC, but the AC is lighter for more travel so makes sense. I will probably run it at 133mm mode to start and see how it rides. I have a 100mm carbonrace bike as well - so 'need' to fill the gap, but I just know the other 2 won't get a look in. I just love the look of Nicolais and always have.

    Ordering tomorrow so look out for pictures in April!

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    captainian - i hope you've consulted dipper for a costing ?

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    Who is Dipper?

    I have got myself a pretty good deal from the LBS - all costed out. Quite a few bits coming across from another bike. I'm happy with what I've been offered..

    However, always keen to know where I can get a deal!

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    captainian.
    dipper is the legendary UK Nicolai dealer from

    www.gravity-sports.co.uk

    who has one of the UK's greatest alladin's caves

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    I went to his website yesterday as it seemed to be popular! Clicked Nicolai, nothing appeared, gave up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainian
    I went to his website yesterday as it seemed to be popular! Clicked Nicolai, nothing appeared, gave up!
    aye. i designed it to put off those not really interested!

    I don't advertise Nicolai online as where would I start? each one is different and needs a bit more interaction with the customer. email or phone is a good place to start if you're not local. Do you have a local dealer?
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    Thanks
    I have ordered via a local dealer just up the road. Cyclezone in Crowthorne. Very very helpful and I am happy with the deal we have agreed for frame and bits.

    Where are you?

    Cheers
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    ian - he's in NE Scotland amongst the chunder and tundra

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    Dippers sold so many Nicolai's now he dosent need to advertise

    He's a legend in the NE when it comes to Nicolai hehe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekr
    Dippers sold so many Nicolai's now he dosent need to advertise

    He's a legend in the NE when it comes to Nicolai hehe!

    less a legend - more a wh0re to our UGI

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    A little new video on my helius AC in south of France, first ride in tshirt very cool ride close to the sea
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkzsDLG1LUo

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    Cyril_88-- Nice trail.

    Looks like you are enjoying the AC.

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    yes it's a very very good mountain bike, go up, go down, a complete bike, for riders who love simply mountain bike

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    Cant wait to order mine.

    I have all the parts now.

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    Cool,

    for information mine is a tailor size M with HA at 67° for a 150mm fork.

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    cool vid, song choice is spot on. Gonna be singing it in my head all day now!

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    Magnificant video.

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    Riding terrain conditions: Average not maintained Trails. Not too rocky, not too rooty, no drops but with some steps and generally rough.

    * Rider: 140 pounds, 5' 9", 32.25" inseam, average trailrider, not into drops but with a remarkable lack of finesse (read: no skillz).

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Helius AC, M, Glossy Schwarzolive, black decals.
    * Fork: RS Pike 454 Air U-Turn. Mostly stock, just using 5W30 oil for semibath as only mod.
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Romic 8"X2.25", 350# spring, middle hole on rockers (7.875" X 2" Manitou Swinger 4Way Coil available, RS Monarch coming)
    * Brakes: Magura Louise Carbon BAT 2007
    * Cranks: Race Face Deus
    * Shifters: SRAM X.7
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM X.7
    * Pedals: Shimano PD-M647
    * Stem: Gravity Gap 75mm X 6deg
    * Handlebar: Syncros Bulk 7075, 690mm wide
    * Seatpost: Thomson 410mm
    * Saddle: WTB Rocket Stealth
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano HTII
    * Cassette: Shimano HG-80 11-32 (SLX)
    * Chain: Shimano HG-73 (??) with SRAM Powerlink
    * Headset: CK Nothreadset
    * Grips: ODI Ruffian with Blackspire endcaps
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Ardent 2.25" (or an assortment including a Kenda Nevegal, Panaracer Rampage, Maxxis Minion DHF 2.35")
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Alex FD28 - DT Competition
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro II
    * Rear Tire: Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25", Maxxis Larsen 2.35", Geax Sturdy 2.25"
    * Rear Rim: Alex FD28 - DT Competition
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope Bulb Ti Carrier - Shimano Deore skewer.
    * Cables: Shimano SIS Generic
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    * Overall Weight: Somewhere 14.275grs (31.5#)

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    One more to welcome into the family…

    Riding terrain conditions: Wales and Scotland trail centre duties, Peak District and annual trip to the Alps

    * 5’ 9”, 68kgs, riding style is mostly trail for now

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Nicolai AC, medium, bronze ano
    * Fork: Fox 32 Float 150 RLC
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Fox RP32 (7.85" x 2")
    * Brakes: Formula R1
    * Cranks: Raceface Deus
    * Shifters: Shimano XT
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Pedals: Crank Bros Candy 2 Ti
    * Stem: Controltech Team FX
    * Handlebar: Raceface Deus XC Low Riser
    * Seatpost: Controltech Team Issue 1
    * Saddle: Fizik Gobi XM
    * Bottom Bracket: Chris King
    * Cassette: Shimano XT
    * Chain: KMC X9-L
    * Headset: Acros AH-07
    * Grips: Acros A Grip
    * Front Tire: Continental Mountain King UST 2.4
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Stans Arch, DT Swiss Supercomp
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro II 15mm
    * Rear Tire: Continental Mountain King UST 2.4
    * Rear Rim: Stans Arch, DT Swiss Supercomp
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro II QR
    * Cables: Shimano
    * Overall Weight: 12.5kg
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    Clipper, a whole lotta yumminess.... Enjoy.......
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    * 165cm, 73kgs,trail, light all mountain

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Nicolai AC, custom, Matt Pearl White , red Extra Love
    * ForkT dwiss Exc150mm 20mmAxle
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: DTswiss XM180 200mm, 57m stroke
    * Brakes: Magura Marta SL
    * Cranks:XTR
    * Shifters: XTR
    * Front Derailleur: XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: XTR
    * Pedals:Wellgo
    * Stem: Thomson 60mm 4x
    * Handlebar: Monkey Lite XC
    * Seatpost:KS I 950
    * Saddle: Fizik Gobi XM
    * Bottom Bracket: Enduro Ceremic
    * Cassette: Sram Redwin 11-34T
    * Chain: XTR
    * Headset: Reset Ano red
    * Grips:Foam Ritchey
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Ardent 2.2
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Stans 355, DT Swiss revelation
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro II 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Ardent 2.2
    * Rear Rim: Stans 355, DT Swiss revelation
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro II 12mm thru axle.
    * Cables:Jag Wire Shifter Housing red, GoodRich Hydro Red.
    * Overall Weight: 12.6kg

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    Few mods has been done to my AC -

    - DT Swiss EXC150 fork changed to EXM150 - much better still ...
    - KS 900i w/o remote changed to longer 900i with remote ...
    - Hammerschmidt AM with 170mm cranks has been in use now two weeks - mii laik
    - there`s now 375 lbs RCS ti-spring in CCDB - cannot be better
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    It's here!!!

    It's been twice round my local trails so far, and I'm totally blown away by it. It just destroys singletrack.

    I just need to get some wider bars on it and then it will be perfection!

    My only disappointment was that it took 4 months to get here!!!

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    It's finally bloody arrived

    It's been twice round my local trails so far, and I'm totally blown away by it. It just destroys singletrack.

    I just need to get some wider bars on it and then it will be perfection!

    My only disappointment was that it took 4 months to get here!!!

    Not quite 26 pounds as I wanted, but just over 27...

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    why the layback post ? that will affect climbs a wee bit snd the ability to drop off the back...........

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    btw - 27lbs is excellent

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    Captainian - nice bike. Just noticed you got that from Cyclezone - I take it it was Dave Young that sorted you out? Got my first Nic (a CC) from him back in the day when the shop was iBike. Have got 3 now (mind you am another customer of Dippers these days). Are they doing many of them now? I shall have to pop back in their sometime.

    In the meantime I'll keep an eye for your bike down Swinley way (presume those are you local trails?)

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    I am getting my AC very soon (I hope 2/3 weeks more). Should I get a coil or air shock?? What are the advantages of both??
    Was thinking on 2011 Fox RP23 or Van RC.

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    I'm about to try out an RP23 on my AM having used a Cane Creek coil for the last few months. I'll let you know how I get on and what the difference in performance might feel like.

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    Hi hmpoliveira , I am using an RP3 on my AC & it works really well , so I do not think you would be disapointed with an air shock , having said that if gravity-sports ever reply to my email I may try a ccdb as every one seems to get very excited about them on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmpoliveira
    I am getting my AC very soon (I hope 2/3 weeks more). Should I get a coil or air shock?? What are the advantages of both??
    Was thinking on 2011 Fox RP23 or Van RC.

    Thanks
    I've tried both and I prefer a coil. I have to clock more time on the Monarch which I liked, but it's not a coil if you get what I mean.

    It comes down to me as personal preference.
    The Monarch I ride is lighter, has tons of adjustments, has nice and controlled manners and it adapts to almost every situation with the flick of a switch. It uses a nice amount of travel as it's the large volume version, so I'd expect rather easy bottoming on drops but I need really rough trails and bed in the Monarch.

    The Romic (coil) is super smooth, it gives the AC the same feel you get with a battle tank... it's simply unstoppable and will drive through things like a caterpillar vehicle. It doesn't pedal as good on the steepest climbs when you have your rearwards bias the most but it still pedals better than expected. It's very composed at landings also. However it's heavier, it is not really adjustable on the fly and you have to try different springs to find your best set up.

    I think I did not say anything new... the AC I think can handle both shocks just as well. The leverage curve is kinda linear with a ramp up at the end. The factory recommends an air shock with a standard (small) canister volume. I think the reasoning behind it it's the rather linear nature of the bike that would (potentially, not on my large canister Monarch) wallow with a large volume air shock or would bottom out easily with an incorrect set-up.

    The standard air canister is the no-brainer-no-mistakes approach. A coil over feels superb, IMHO but you'll have to work your set-up.

    IMHO... match front and rear suspension. If you're putting something like a 32 Series Fox, get an air shock. If you're going with something like a Lyrik, a 55 or something alike, get a coil-over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    I've tried both and I prefer a coil. I have to clock more time on the Monarch which I liked, but it's not a coil if you get what I mean.

    It comes down to me as personal preference.
    The Monarch I ride is lighter, has tons of adjustments, has nice and controlled manners and it adapts to almost every situation with the flick of a switch. It uses a nice amount of travel as it's the large volume version, so I'd expect rather easy bottoming on drops but I need really rough trails and bed in the Monarch.

    The Romic (coil) is super smooth, it gives the AC the same feel you get with a battle tank... it's simply unstoppable and will drive through things like a caterpillar vehicle. It doesn't pedal as good on the steepest climbs when you have your rearwards bias the most but it still pedals better than expected. It's very composed at landings also. However it's heavier, it is not really adjustable on the fly and you have to try different springs to find your best set up.

    I think I did not say anything new... the AC I think can handle both shocks just as well. The leverage curve is kinda linear with a ramp up at the end. The factory recommends an air shock with a standard (small) canister volume. I think the reasoning behind it it's the rather linear nature of the bike that would (potentially, not on my large canister Monarch) wallow with a large volume air shock or would bottom out easily with an incorrect set-up.

    The standard air canister is the no-brainer-no-mistakes approach. A coil over feels superb, IMHO but you'll have to work your set-up.

    IMHO... match front and rear suspension. If you're putting something like a 32 Series Fox, get an air shock. If you're going with something like a Lyrik, a 55 or something alike, get a coil-over.

    Warp, thanks for your kind explanation. Yes, I am getting a 32 Talas 150mm therefore you recommend a Float instead of a Van Why is that??
    This is going to be my first full-sus, that's why my experience is very vague!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmpoliveira
    Warp, thanks for your kind explanation. Yes, I am getting a 32 Talas 150mm therefore you recommend a Float instead of a Van Why is that??
    This is going to be my first full-sus, that's why my experience is very vague!!

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    Well, yeah... I'd pair a light air shock to a light duty fork and a coil over with a more aggro fork.

    Or get a Pike and use any shock you want.

    Nah, the point is that if you get a light duty fork, your riding may be more well suited to a lighter and more adjustable air shock, while if you're riding more aggressively then you'd better off with the better performance of a coil over.

    Off course, it's a rather blurry line and, again, it depends on personal preference.

    In a nutshell...
    Want pure performance? Nothing beats a coil over. Period. Yeah, you have to pedal it, though.
    Want a more versatile ride? Get the air... I don't think you'd be disappointed, but a coil over just works better.

    It's up to you and your riding.
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    floats are as good as van's during 95% of the ride.

    seriously impressed with both myfloat 32 and 36's although the 32's are just more lithe and responsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmpoliveira
    Warp, thanks for your kind explanation. Yes, I am getting a 32 Talas 150mm therefore you recommend a Float instead of a Van Why is that??
    This is going to be my first full-sus, that's why my experience is very vague!!

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    Without a doubt get an air shock for the back for your first full-suss experience. Those who run coils tend to do so after finding things they don't like with air... you have a lot of experiencing to do before you wil benefit from the likes of a CCDB. I went with a simple Float R on my AM - the only adjustment I have is rebound... which I have hardly touched because it simply works so well as it is. It's very possible to ruin the ride of a bike by playing with all the adjustements on these super adjustable rear shocks

    It makes a lot of sense to keep it simple at the start. My plan was to see what I like and dislike with the simple shock and gather information to figure out what to upgrade too... but so far I am happy with what I have. I would probably also give the Talas a miss and go for Floats... a more responsive fork with less to go wrong... chances are you will not miss the travel adjustment if you don't have it (chances are if you have Talas you will use it a few times to see what it does and then never use it again - it's what I did when I had travel adjust - just my 2p )

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
    Without a doubt get an air shock for the back for your first full-suss experience. Those who run coils tend to do so after finding things they don't like with air... you have a lot of experiencing to do before you wil benefit from the likes of a CCDB. I went with a simple Float R on my AM - the only adjustment I have is rebound... which I have hardly touched because it simply works so well as it is. It's very possible to ruin the ride of a bike by playing with all the adjustements on these super adjustable rear shocks

    It makes a lot of sense to keep it simple at the start. My plan was to see what I like and dislike with the simple shock and gather information to figure out what to upgrade too... but so far I am happy with what I have. I would probably also give the Talas a miss and go for Floats... a more responsive fork with less to go wrong... chances are you will not miss the travel adjustment if you don't have it (chances are if you have Talas you will use it a few times to see what it does and then never use it again - it's what I did when I had travel adjust - just my 2p )

    Thanks for your tips... that's a good report!!

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    I have used air cans and a ccdb,pushed dhx and i would agree with the Pimp, i would go air can unless you go "gnarcore" all the time,I found the CCDB to be excellent and an amazing shock to ride but you had to push yourself to the limit all the time to enjoy it,Most of the single track you do it wont make a difference unless its very rocky/rooty.
    I had a monarch Air can fitted to the FR for a few weeks whilst i rode trail/Xc instead of the CCDB and 98% of the time it was excellent.It really depends what you want and where you are going to ride.
    Dont get me wrong though the CCDB is a very good shock(other than continuously fiddling with it,Could be my OCD) but i think you would be ok with an air can/air fork.
    Also you wont need to mess around with springs just increase decrease air pressures until you find what you like.

    If you are planning on running a fox 32 i would definetely go for an rp23 or Monarch it will balance the suspension feeling.

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    i have a 200 x 51 parabolic needled CCDB for sale suitable for the AC / AM / etc.

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    Hi TLR :- YGM

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    ... are all AC-owners insured badly, too busy or changed to bigger frames

    Serious question now - if / when you`d have AC or AM-frame and there are two (or three) options for fork - 2011 VAN 36 RC2 FIT (160mm) and 2010 Rockshox Lyrik Coil DH (170mm) and maybe 2011 Lyrik RC2 DH (again 170mm) , which one would you prefer and why?

    AC-height 545-555 has already tested and will be no problem - geo is even better compared to existing 535mm measured height and rear suspension is CCDB with 57 mm stroke and top hole in use, if someone miss this information...

    So - I`ll need coil fork which is not so linear than VAN R`s or coil Lyriks without DH-version of MiCo, but should IŽll go to Fox or should I`ll go RoksPox is the question...

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    @ perga - if you want to run 36's you should've bought an AM mate..............sorry but the AC is specifically a 32 frame.....

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