Might as well get one. I already have a 50mm and 57mm shocks on hand.
Originally Posted by Testmaen
Dont think i would bother if i had a "B" lever,run it in the next hole down and be happy with that,Its only 2mm travel difference.
Originally Posted by Warp
Mine is an "A" with the plugged top hole. At any rate, the higher leverages fit better my meager weight.
Originally Posted by norcosam
Could you not just drop it to the next hole down from where you run it now.It does depend if you are a heavier rider.
Originally Posted by Warp
have you built it up yet?
Testmaen - sorry, no not yet!
Am waiting for some new parts and a new set of wheels (ordered, parts in, not built yet). Planning on going 10 speed so am just waiting to get hold of the X0 stuff, which I don't think will be until October.
Will post up some frame pics on the weekend. Still haven't had a chance to take any yet.
Here is the spec on mine...
Nicolai Helius AC - Setup Database
Riding terrain conditions: Surrey Hills, Wales and Scotland trail centres, XC, Single Track and much more..
* Rider info: Height 5ft11 Weight 12.6 stone.
* Frame: Helius AC Medium in Kawagrun
* Fork: Fox 32 Float 150mm Custom Kawagrun
* Shock: Fox RP23
* Brakes: 2011 XTR Race
* Cranks: 2011 XTR Tripple
* Shifters: 2011 XTR
* Front Derailleur: 2011 XTR
* Rear Derailleur: 2011 XTR
* Cassette: 2011 XTR 10 Speed
* Chain: 2011 XTR
* Pedals: 2011 XTR SPD
* Stem: Thompson 50mm
* Handlebar: Easton EC70 MonkeyLite CNT XC Riser
* Seatpost: Thompson layback
* Saddle: SDG Bel Air RL Ti Rail
* Bottom Bracket: Chris King Black
* Headset: Chris King satin black
* Grips: ODI X-Trainer Lock-On Lime green
* Wheels etc: Roval Traverse EL Disc Wheelset
* Front Tyre: Bontrager XR4 TLR Team Issue 26x2.2
* Rear Tyre: Bontrager XR4 TLR Team Issue 26x2.2
* Inner Tubes: Bontrager Race X Lite 26x1.90-2.125
* Cables: Shimano XTR
* Overall Weight: 12.4kg or 27.3lbs
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I see a lot of different variations here in this thread, almost all of which I am unqualified to assess right now, but would take too long to test, let alone think about much.
So as a shortcut to thinking much, what do people think of the "default" complete bikes offered on the Nicolai website? Any obvious stuff to avoid or upgrade? Or better off getting the frame and suspension and going from there yourself?
EDIT: Forgot the link - http://www.nicolai.net/46-1-Helius+AC+kompl.html
At 4K+ Euro, you'd be better off putting the bike together yourself, IMHO with your own choice of components.
Originally Posted by tantrumizer
The complete bikes from Nicolai have solid specs (maybe a little weak at the wheels in the Pro and Elite versions) and I personally would go for the Hope version even when I prefer Magura brakes (for no other reason that I have been using Maguras for over 6yrs now) if I had that kind of money.
You may see a lot of variation here, but the central theme is the same. A trailbike of ~150mm travel with a mix of sturdy and light parts. It comes down to personal preference.
Some people put more emphasis on suspension, others in light weight, some prefer Rohloff drivetrains, etc.
I personally think that the AC is a very versatile bike that is rather easy to build right. But you have to also consider that the average Nicolai rider is someone who has spent some time on other bikes and knows what he/she wants from the bike.
Complete bikes from nicolai are not available here in the uk qnd suspect further afield. hence they're all custom built.
As warp says, I don't think they're hard to get right. Biggest decision would be coil or air and sturdy wheels versus light wheels.
If it's a trail bike you're after I'd err on the side of sturdy as it'll be more fun.
To add some confusion I took delivery of my 2011 AC and it came with a "B" lever. This is a large frame and after the very helpful importer contacted Nicolai they stated that all 2011 take a 57mm stroke by Large and above have a "B" level and not a "C", good luck finding that on Nicolai's web site!
Hi, The link below has been posted on here before by someone else and it clearly shows on the last page that the small and medium frames are fitted with 'C' type levers where the large and XL frames are fitted with 'B' type levers for 2011. Hope this helps.
Originally Posted by smh151
Hope this link works.
Unless it's a 29er in which case the small and large use a b and the medium uses a c!
"B " lever in second hole with a 57mm stroke will be close to a "C" in the top hole.
Why have they done that
It's also nice that the small and large have 147mm and the medium and extra large have 146mm. I know its a millimeter so not important its more that they know this and publish it, well if you can find the document anyway. Not many manufactures do this but then they also make it far less confusing as well when ordering a frame and wondering if your shock will fit.
* Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc
* Frame, Size, & Color:Large,Ano Black,with Red extras
* Fork:Bos Deville 140mm
* Shock, i2i, stroke,CCDB 200x57mm Ti spring
* Brakes:Avid X0 Red--203mm front 183mm rear,with hope floating rotors
* Cranks:Sram X0,2x10,26-39.175mm,Red
* Shifters:Sram X0 2x10,red
* Front Derailleur:XX 2sp,high clamp bottom pull
* Rear Derailleur:X0 2x10.36
* Stem:Thomson 70mm
* Handlebar:Truvativ Noir Carbon
* Seatpost:Thomson Masterpiece
* Saddle:SDG Bel-air TI
* Bottom Bracket:Chris king Red
* Cassette:XX 11-36
* Chain:Sram 10sp hollow pin
* Headset:Chris King red
* Grips:Odo lock on,Ano red clamps
* Front Tire:Nobby nic 2.25 tubeless
* Front Rim/ Spokes:Mavic SX
* Front Hub/Skewer:Mavic SX
* Rear Tire:Nobby nic 2.25 tubeless
* Rear Rim:Mavic SX
* Rear Hub/Skewer:Mavic SX
* Overall Weight:Just below 30lbs
Sweet... how's the Van doing??
Originally Posted by pergamonx
VAN is ok. Have not yet had chance to test it in normal temps - allways less or more minus degrees. Changed oil to smoother ones. Perfect for winter conditions, at least that can I say.
Originally Posted by Warp
Like those angles now.
pergamonx - it looks really well thought out - when will we get a full ride report ?
are they the carbon haven wheelset ?
Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
Wheelset are normal Havens, not carbon ones. Pick those because wanted one lighter set, other three wheelsets are all between 1900g - 2100g. Tyres are not ultralight ones, there`s FA 2,4 TLR Trailstar in front and NN 2,25 TLR Pacestar in rear.
Originally Posted by norcosam
OK, I'll play too.
* Rider 186cm, c. 87kg, ride style - don't know yet, this and that
* Frame, Size, & Color: Large, Ano Black,with Red extra love and white decal
* Fork: Fox 32 Float FIT 150mm RLC
* Shock: DT Swiss XM 180
* Brakes: Shimano SLX 180/180
* Cranks: Hammerschmidt FR (24t)
* Shifters: Sram X9 2x10
* Front Derailleur: Must have fallen off somewhere
* Rear Derailleur: Sram X9
* Pedals: Kona Wah Wah
* Stem: Trutativ Stylo
* Handlebar: Trutativ Stylo
* Seatpost: Rock Shox Reverb 420mm
* Saddle: Selle Italia - el cheapo
* Bottom Bracket: Hammerschmidt
* Cassette: Shimano SLX 11-34
* Chain: HG-X
* Headset: Acros AH07 red
* Grips: Ergon GA-1
* Front Tire: Fat Albert Snake Skin
* Front Rim/ Spokes: Notubes Flow/DT Swiss Aerolite
* Front Hub/Skewer: Shimano XTR
* Rear Tire: Fat Albert Snake Skin
* Rear Rim: Notubes Flow
* Rear Hub/Skewer: Shimano XTR with the axle from a Saint
* Cables: ?
* Misc: I didn't expect to be sent an FR Hammerschmidt (expected the AM), but I couldn't be bothered changing it in the end, due to the raft of logistical hassles it would present. Also, Hammerschmidt pimpkit in red.
* Overall Weight: I don't know. I don't want to know. It would just make me want to change things.
This is my first MTB. It's probably totally extravagant for a first bike, but I was swung by someone's signature saying life's too short to ride bad bikes. And why should I ride around my 1500 EUR Cube for 2 years, all the while waiting for my Nicolai? I happily admit I now have all the gear and no idea.
I wanted a Nicolai, because it was something different (in looks, approach, being not made in Taiwan, no yearly model "updates"), they focus on MTBs, they are German and I like Germany, they have a reputation for durability and the reviews were good. And they can take a Hammerschmidt, the reason I first came across them.
I wanted an AC because 90% of the time I'll be riding to and in my local hills (not too drastically steep up or terrifying down, 500 vertical metres max) and the rest of the time I'll take it to the Alps and ride lifts up.... and I wanted a single bike for that. I tried an AM and it felt like a smooth-rolling tank. Pretty cool, but probably not needed so much here.
Being a first bike, I'll be useless for ride reporting, so I won't bother. Suffice to say, unlike all the other bikes I've ridden (from friends, demos or hire), it's the only one that really felt like "my bike". I'm happy.
The purchase process was frankly a bit of a nightmare. I'm not sure I would buy another Nicolai. I'll have to at least wait until I've forgotten about it.
Here's a pic from the first ride. Friendly advice welcome on obvious setup mistakes. I asked an LBS to build it and maybe they've missed something. We have to do some work on the cabling soon (shorten brake cables and reroute a couple with some different cable guides).
Last edited by tantrumizer; 03-30-2011 at 12:49 AM.
Finally Got a Shot of my AC
Looks bigger in the picture than it really is, although it is a large.