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    Nicolai AC 650b Pinion..Build

    Finally after 8 months UPS delivered my new AC..
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    Pictures, or it did not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Pictures, or it did not happen.

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    Inside the box was this



    AC 650b Pinion in Large,ANO Black,red extras,Stealth routing.
    135mmx12mm rear end.
    2013 style frame uses a 215x63mm shock.

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    Monarch RC3 plus. 215x63mm


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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam View Post
    AC 650b Pinion in Large,ANO Black,red extras,Stealth routing.
    135mmx12mm rear end.
    Could you measure the distance between center of rear axle and chainstay bridge? I wonder what they have for tire clearance on stock 650b.

    I thought about waiting for Pinion last year, and then decided not to spend money. Kinda regret it now - as much as I like my Helius... Also regret having it painted (in color my wife and daughter picked). Should have anodized it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Could you measure the distance between center of rear axle and chainstay bridge? I wonder what they have for tire clearance on stock 650b.

    I thought about waiting for Pinion last year, and then decided not to spend money. Kinda regret it now - as much as I like my Helius... Also regret having it painted (in color my wife and daughter picked). Should have anodized it..
    Seems plenty of clearance on 2.35x650b Nobby Nics.
    Has at least 1/2" clearance all around
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    650b Rockshox Revelations RT3 150mm travel solo air,15mm axle

    Reset Racing Inset tapered headset


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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam View Post
    650b Rockshox Revelations RT3 150mm travel solo air,15mm axle
    I would have been injured if I showed up in the kitchen with my workstand.

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    BOR wheelset.
    Avid X0 trail brakes,200mm front,180mm rear


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    Pinion standard rear sprocket.
    Used a single speed spacer kit to align it all.
    BOR 135mmx12mm wheel...


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    The Future


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    Pinion Gearbox and chain tensioner


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    Rockshox Reverb Stealth routing


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    Reverb
    Token seatpost clamp


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    Truvativ T40 stem and 750mm Bontrager Carbon Bars


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    X0 Trail brake lever,ESI grip and a RH Reverb remote mounted on the left under the bars.


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    RH side has cut down ESI grip and Pinion 18 speed shifter.

    The cable for the Pinion is a single cable,not 2 seperate cables.It wraps around at the gearbox end and has 2 clamping blocks at the shifter end to attach the wnds.


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    Gearbox with gear shift cover on.


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    Built up.

    Waiting for a part from Nicolai to complete(LH Crank arm),was supplied with two rights fitted...

    Weight is 31.5lbs
    Running a Reverb and Nobby Nics 2.35x650b


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    Holy. Crap.

    That is friggin' cool.
    I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth...
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    Very nice norcosam
    Trek 9.9 Superfly SL
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    Beautiful. My buddy has a Helius AM 29er custom... I'm even more in love with this. Shakes my bike buying plans for the year to the core.

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    Crank Arm arrived this morning..

    Nice little 22 miler this afternoon.

    Gearbox feels amazing,bike is very quiet,almost sounds belt driven.

    No Problems,Mud clearance is amazing,Running Nobby Nic 2.35.

    Bike seems to ride very well,feels as fun and agile as my 26" AC.

    Need to do a few more hours to bed the forks and shock in.

    Happy

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    Absolutely stunning......

    More pics Norcosam
    The_Lecht_Rocks: whafe - cheeers - may i offer an official apology for the wagon wheeler "dis-belief"

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    Geo Please.
    Head angle?
    Fork AC height?
    BB height?
    Chainstay Length?
    Weight?
    Sorry for so many questions. About to pull the trigger on one of these myself. Just not sure of this or the 300gram penalty for 20mm more travel Helius AM. Thinking AC so far. I have the Pinion already so I'm pretty desperate/eager.
    Nice bike man.

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    I am asuming geometry is the same as a new style AC.

    Total build weighs 31.5lbs.

    Have this week off so will be giving it some good rides.

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    Ride report?
    Are you happy with the angles? and BB height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yo Yo View Post
    Ride report?
    Are you happy with the angles? and BB height?
    65 miles on it so far..BB is a little lower than my older AC.Longer TT this year aswell,all seems to have made it more comfortable.
    Head Angle is quite slack,Comes alive once on the steeper and faster sections.
    Frame is definetely a winner for me..Loving the new AC.
    Now waiting for Pinion to sort the gearbox issue.

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    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam View Post
    65 miles on it so far..BB is a little lower than my older AC.Longer TT this year aswell,all seems to have made it more comfortable.
    Head Angle is quite slack,Comes alive once on the steeper and faster sections.
    Frame is definetely a winner for me..Loving the new AC.
    Now waiting for Pinion to sort the gearbox issue.
    What problems did you experience with the gearbox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matigefietser View Post
    What problems did you experience with the gearbox?
    Snapped the main Crank Arm axle...New gearbox on the way..

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam View Post
    Snapped the main Crank Arm axle...New gearbox on the way..
    Sounds serious, wouldn't say fatique could play a role after such short time. What is Pinion's opinion on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matigefietser View Post
    Sounds serious, wouldn't say fatique could play a role after such short time. What is Pinion's opinion on this?
    They have sent a replacement box that i have been using(50 miles+ on it so far),and collected my old one today,so they can see why it failed.

    They are saying that this hasent happened before,so i am asuming a manufacturing defect on it.

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    He Norcosam, gorgeous bike!

    Any new updates? I could live with the extra weight. My only concern would be that it breaks on trail or on a trip with would ruin the day/holiday without possibilities of repair....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeydutch View Post
    He Norcosam, gorgeous bike!

    Any new updates? I could live with the extra weight. My only concern would be that it breaks on trail or on a trip with would ruin the day/holiday without possibilities of repair....
    170 miles on the Pinion AC.

    Loving it,getting used to the shifting now.

    New geometry seems to fit me better,feel more comfortable on this bike already.

    Pinion sent me a gearbox very quickly.

    Mine has now been repaired and is on the way back to me

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    Hia NS,
    Any drag from the Pinion? I hear of such issues with planetary systems, but perhaps not in this case?
    650, wow, cutting edge.
    Neil

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Hia NS,
    Any drag from the Pinion? I hear of such issues with planetary systems, but perhaps not in this case?
    650, wow, cutting edge.
    Neil
    Dosent seem to have anymore drag than a standard system.

    225 miles on it now...Its amazing,did a few night time rides,that gets you used to the Pinion shifter really quickly

    System is fairly quiet aswell.

    Had someone ride it who has a Rohloff,said there was No drag compared to that.

    Pinion isnt a Planetary system,but would think the oil inside the box would cause a slight amount of drag.

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    Mine has only been ridden 20 miles on road so far (but off to the Lakes at the weekend). So far pretty noisy - more so than an old run in Rohloff and the noise is whilst pedalling rather than when freewheeling. We'll see.
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    Did you ever find out why the gearbox broke? I'm looking into one of these but I weigh 210. Not going to be an option if it's weight related damage?
    Is the gearbox really that noisy?
    What is the gear spread like? Can you get up super steep hills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam View Post
    Dosent seem to have anymore drag than a standard system.

    225 miles on it now...Its amazing,did a few night time rides,that gets you used to the Pinion shifter really quickly

    System is fairly quiet aswell.

    Had someone ride it who has a Rohloff,said there was No drag compared to that.

    Pinion isnt a Planetary system,but would think the oil inside the box would cause a slight amount of drag.
    Thanks
    does sound tempting, I'll be watching this thread.
    I wonder if they'll do an ION?

    n

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    I am really interested in this system, please keep us informed about it's long-term performance.

    Cheers,
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    I have just ordered my Made in Germany Cheetah bike with a Pinion gear box. Cannot wait. I am hearing a lot of good stuff about the box.

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