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    Looking at the Ion16 leverage ratio it seems it has a falling rate (progressive) all the way through its travel. From what little i understand, this means that the standard DB air will suffer with compression damping issue and riders may not be able to use full travel, therefore a larger air volume remedies this.

    If you are correct and the Rune has regressive nature towards the end of its stroke then the standard can should work a treat.

    So im a bit confused now, if cane creek have advised jj that a standard can is the one, then there is a bit of conflict going on as Nicolai have advised not to go down this route, I'm sticking with the advise of these guys as they design the frame and tested it, and I'm advised that Nicolai staff will be installing the DB air XV as its the best setup available.

    They actually offer the DB Air at a reasonable price too so cant complain.

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    Ion 16 Breaks Cover

    Quote Originally Posted by sloanranger View Post
    Looking at the Ion16 leverage ratio it seems it has a falling rate (progressive) all the way through its travel. From what little i understand, this means that the standard DB air will suffer with compression damping issue and riders may not be able to use full travel, therefore a larger air volume remedies this.

    If you are correct and the Rune has regressive nature towards the end of its stroke then the standard can should work a treat.

    So im a bit confused now, if cane creek have advised jj that a standard can is the one, then there is a bit of conflict going on as Nicolai have advised not to go down this route, I'm sticking with the advise of these guys as they design the frame and tested it, and I'm advised that Nicolai staff will be installing the DB air XV as its the best setup available.

    They actually offer the DB Air at a reasonable price too so cant complain.
    High volume can is $40 and easy to swap. I will try both on Helius once it comes out.

    Upgraded inner can to the current high flow. It does make a difference.

    What still bugs me a lot - can touches the swing link on Helius (just barely), but that means in 171mm mode I can not fit water bottle below it. I am about to take a file to the link and notch it for clearance. Grr.

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    Axe,
    Great comment/point....just what I was thinking too. I'm going to put the HV can on my 5Spot and test it out...so shouldn't be a big deal with the ION16.

    Best to all and thanks for the comments.

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    Guys

    Here is a response from Nicolai regarding DB Air

    "We tested both versions of the DB Air, the standard one and the XV with our team riders, workmates and Gino Schliffske from Flatout Suspension.
    The standard DB air was just too progressive from the mid stroke and therefore it didn´t feel as vivid as the XV.
    With the XV you have a really good range to adjust the progression with the air can spacers, the suspension feels supple but without diving in the sag"

    Hope this helps.

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    sloanranger,

    Thanks, helps a TON!

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    Finally in Large...




    3464g with Reset Flatstack A4 und Hollowlite BB (ca.180g together), shock mounting screws and axle

    Netto 3284g

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    Finally in Large...
    Very cool...are those the standard decals? And everything else in Raw?

    Is the headset included as standard?

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    Sweet!

    Raschaa,

    Looks great! Man, you have me second guessing my choice of black ano with extra love glossy black stickers!

    Thanks for sharing the pictures, looking forward to following your build up.

    Cheers,
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    Decals can be had in pretty much any color, whatever floats your boat... mine are not the ones I ordered, got messed up somewhere along the way, but thats no biggy Ill just have them send me new ones.

    The headset and BB are not included, I ordered those along with the frame and they mounted them for me. Reset-Racing make top notch stuff that suits a bike like Nicolai very well. They're close to Nicolai and Kalle and Herr Koehn (reset-racing) are old buddies. Can't recommend them enough.

    Build is almost completed, finishing touches and pics tomorrow. But to raise the suspense, I had it on the scales and hung the not yet mounted rear brake and front mech on the pedal......






    13.1kg

    and JJ, black ano + glossy decals is timeless, don't worry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    and JJ, black ano + glossy decals is timeless, don't worry about it
    Cheers,
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    Some detail pics?


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    looks really good raschaa... looking forward to seeing the complete pics.

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    Ok, not 100% finished and not a very good pic, but here she is^^





    weight w/o front mech 12,90kg

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    what size is it raschaa. I think thats about the same weight as an AM taking ino account the axle is in?
    Aka chainline...

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    The frame is L and weighs 3264g with axle and shock hardware

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    Ooh, I read that 2 as a 4. Encouraged now for the Ion29. My old med AM 26" was 3350 without anything. Painted tough I suppose.

    My L AC/AM 29 hybrid is 3330 without anything black ano.

    Ion29 will be raw too.

    Will you put a dropper post on it?
    Aka chainline...

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    occasionally yes, but 80% of the time I don't need one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    .... and the suspension is more
    linear than progeressive. ...
    Yes, why design a linear rate when yer average air shock is progressive at the last 1/2 - 1/3 of the travel. Wouldn`t you rather want a progressive rate matched to the progressiveness of the shock to give a linear resultant feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    occasionally yes, but 80% of the time I don't need one...
    So, have you had chance to break her in yet, how does it respond and whats the stiffness like on the rear....

    Finger crossed mine should be arriving soon, already running a week late, but cant all good things come to those who wait..

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    No, weather has been atrocious past few days (loads of wet snow ), just a quick run up and down the street... shock feels like it suits the linkage ratio really well, very little pedaling influence, rear feels stiff enough under heavy pedaling (but I'm no sprinter^^)

    hoping the snow melts next few days...

    all good things DO come to those who can wait!

    Oh, and be wary of how short you cut the steerer tube. the short tapered tube + zerostack puts the bars so low that my shifters hit the top tube massively...

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    Hi raschaa,

    do you have mounted a 160 rear disc ?
    could you show any pic from behind of rear brake ?
    I want to mount rear a hope m4 calippers with a 160 disc and I think that is not necessary any caliper adapter but there is not space for a nut to install the screw , I need some help..

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    sorry, won't work. the Ion 16 has a postmount 180 welded on to the chainstay...

    for lots of (detail) pics see my album at german mtb-news.de

    for bigger size scroll down on right side...

    Micro (80×80, 4.2 KiB)
    Thumbnail (150×113, 10.5 KiB)
    Mittel (550×413, 104.1 KiB)
    Groß (1024×768, 289.6 KiB)
    Original (2000×1500, 359.3 KiB)

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    I have seen your pics, my question is , how have you attached the caliper at the place becouse the orifices does not have a thread , is it necessary any special screw ?

    here you got my frame

    Ion 16 Breaks Cover-pinza2.jpg

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    fixed, missing the bag with the cilinders

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    Quote Originally Posted by xixo one View Post
    fixed, missing the bag with the cilinders
    Good catch! Would have sucked if you mistakenly threw them away. The replaceable thread inserts are not common enough to be found at the local bike shop.
    When you get a chance post some pictures of your build. I would be interested to see.

    Cheers,
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