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  • 05-17-2013
    Wilhelm6
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crank1979 View Post
    If it makes you guys feel any better I ordered my Helius AC Pinion in December, was told it would be here in February. Still waiting. :( I'm looking forward to it though.

    You lucky man! By way of thanks for your brave waiting you have now the chance to order the all-new for 2013 PM rear and 142x12mm through-axle standard upgrades for your Helius AC PINION, formerly seen already at Eurobike 2012 (Ion 16). The overall surcharge is € 100.00. Those upgrades were unveiled at 2013 Lake Garda Bike Festival (Trentino, IT).

  • 05-17-2013
    crank1979
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wilhelm6 View Post
    You lucky man! By way of thanks for your brave waiting you have now the chance to order the all-new for 2013 PM rear and 142x12mm through-axle standard upgrades for your Helius AC PINION, formerly seen already at Eurobike 2012 (Ion 16). The overall surcharge is € 100.00. Those upgrades were unveiled at 2013 Lake Garda Bike Festival (Trentino, IT).


    I enquired about this when I first ordered and was told "The Helius AC Pinion comes with 135x12mm by default, but we can tailor the rear end to 142mm.
    I would not recommend that, because this would cause 300€ upcharge and you don´t have any advantage out of it."

    It would have made wheel choices a little different. At least I know I can change it in the future if I decide to go that way.
  • 05-18-2013
    nicolai-uk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nalla View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys, certainly put my mind at ease. I guess I was getting attracted to all these new bikes being released and the 650b craze and wondering if i made the right decision.

    But I still think the Ion 16 is what I'm after, something that has amazing downhill performance, but can still be ridden uphill, and looking at your reports it certainly seems to be the case.

    Cheers

    Sounds like the Ion16 will be perfect for you - that's what they were aiming for. I've only had a quick spin on one at the factory but Vinc was raving about his when we were there.

    They've been running a little behind on production but more ION frames shipping very shortly. I'm told yours has been built - just needs to be coated and assembled. Should see you on the trails on it before the English summer finally arrives!
  • 05-23-2013
    Nemesis-FIN
    No database yet for ION 16, what size frames have you bought?
    I'm thinking hard changing my Trek for the ION 16 to my next frame and can't even decide the frame size.

    I'm 171cm and my inseam is 81cm, my Trek Remedy's 17,5" frame is spot on with the 50mm stem, the ION 16 S-frame has shorter toptube and the M-size frame has longer toptube than the Remedy, the reach is the same with the Remedy and the S-size but the M-size frame has 15mm longer reach, which is about the maximum distance that I can move the saddle forward.

    So, if there's people with similar measures, please share some information, thanks!
  • 05-23-2013
    hmpoliveira
    M size should be perfect for you. I'm 1,70 and have an AM in M size. ION 16 has a toptube 1cm shorter, as far as I know!!
  • 05-23-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hmpoliveira View Post
    I'm 1,70 and have an AM in M size. ION 16 has a toptube 1cm shorter, as far as I know!!

    I think it is actually longer. 595 vs 585mm for Helius AM. And Ion has much longer reach - by 23mm. But is has 18mm shorter stack and steeper seat tube, so overall fit should be similar - just a bit more stretched. At ~174cm I ride M Helius with a 50mm slammed stem, and it is on the shorter side of my preference - but I do not ride at supersonic speeds..

    At 171cm I would think M is a better fit.
  • 05-23-2013
    Nemesis-FIN
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I think it is actually longer. 595 vs 585mm for Helius AM. And Ion has much longer reach - by 23mm. But is has 18mm shorter stack and steeper seat tube, so overall fit should be similar - just a bit more stretched. At ~174cm I ride M Helius with a 50mm slammed stem, and it is on the shorter side of my preference - but I do not ride at supersonic speeds..

    At 171cm I would think M is a better fit.

    With the M-size the stretch is what worries me the most, but I don't want to be cramped either =) Nicolai help desk seems to be busy this time of year since they haven't replied to me in three days, I asked their opinion also for the frame sizing.

    It's a bummer that there's no distributor for Nicolai at Finland anymore, so testing the ION 16 frame size is more or less out of the question. Thanks for the quick replies, all help is appreciated!
  • 05-23-2013
    Axe
    Ion 16 Breaks Cover
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nemesis-FIN View Post
    With the M-size the stretch is what worries me the most, but I don't want to be cramped either =) Nicolai help desk seems to be busy this time of year since they haven't replied to me in three days, I asked their opinion also for the frame sizing.

    It's a bummer that there's no distributor for Nicolai at Finland anymore, so testing the ION 16 frame size is more or less out of the question. Thanks for the quick replies, all help is appreciated!

    If you look at the combination or increased reach and reduced stack, it kinda rotates you forward, a bit more aggressive position. If I put about 75mm reverse rize stem on my Helius and remove 10mm spacer under it (Though that is not the same for handling) instead of 50mm I have. Look like the trend nowadays. Bike with a similar geometry ideas that I tried a bunch - Yeti SB66 - feels a bit odd first, but then you get it. Obviously depends on your personal preferences, but I can't think of M being a bad fit at your height. With slacker front, and especially if used with a dropper post, no need to hang behind your seat as much.
  • 05-23-2013
    hmpoliveira
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I think it is actually longer. 595 vs 585mm for Helius AM.

    It's longer... you're right. Sorry for that mistake
  • 05-23-2013
    Nemesis-FIN
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    If you look at the combination or increased reach and reduced stack, it kinda rotates you forward, a bit more aggressive position. If I put about 75mm reverse rize stem on my Helius and remove 10mm spacer under it (Though that is not the same for handling) instead of 50mm I have. Look like the trend nowadays. Bike with a similar geometry ideas that I tried a bunch - Yeti SB66 - feels a bit odd first, but then you get it. Obviously depends on your personal preferences, but I can't think of M being a bad fit at your height. With slacker front, and especially if used with a dropper post, no need to hang behind your seat as much.

    OK, that helped a lot, it's somewhat hard to understand geometry just by looking at the numbers.

    I'm planning to use 170mm fork and KSi LEV -dropper post with the ION, so maybe it's a good thing that the top tube is longer, or do you think that it would be harder to lighten the front when top tube gets longer? (8mm compared to the Remedy).
  • 05-24-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nemesis-FIN View Post
    OK, that helped a lot, it's somewhat hard to understand geometry just by looking at the numbers.

    I'm planning to use 170mm fork and KSi LEV -dropper post with the ION, so maybe it's a good thing that the top tube is longer, or do you think that it would be harder to lighten the front when top tube gets longer? (8mm compared to the Remedy).

    I am just looking at the numbers - did not have a chance to ride those bikes back to back. Looking at Remedy's geometry - it is 1 to 2 degrees steeper head angle, and an inch shorter wheelbase. So you would not need to move back as much on Ion.
  • 05-25-2013
    xixo one
    Hi everyone , one vid of last Monday with my Ion 16

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpATKHn9Ao
  • 05-27-2013
    loamranger
    hi xixo, great looking bike, congratulations. Where's the trail?
  • 05-30-2013
    jjkitt
    Just received an update, my ION16 frame is out of anodization and should assembled shortly with an estimated shipment date of early next week! :thumbsup:
    Would be interested to hear from those who have built frames, what they think of their shock and fork choices, anything they would do differently or things they could not live without.

    Cheers,
  • 05-31-2013
    raschaa
    Lyrik RC2DH 170mm / X-Fusion Vector HLR Air
    the 170mil Fork does slacken the headangle noticeably, I ride it in the high setting at the moment. I love the shock and would buy it again with no second thoughts. What I would pay more attention to next time 'round is to not cut the steerertube as short as I did. the very low stack combined with ZS headset keeps the front waaaaay low. With the seatpost extended for "touring" my saddle is quite a bit higher than the bars and I'm having problems with my left hand fingers fallling asleep after 15-20min.

    looking forward to seeing your build!
  • 05-31-2013
    jjkitt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    What I would pay more attention to next time 'round is to not cut the steerertube as short as I did. the very low stack combined with ZS headset keeps the front waaaaay low. With the seatpost extended for "touring" my saddle is quite a bit higher than the bars and I'm having problems with my left hand fingers fallling asleep after 15-20min.

    looking forward to seeing your build!


    raschaa,

    Thanks for the info, especially the steer tube and stack height...I was planning to keep my steer tube longer so I can swap forks out between the ION16 and my 5Spot, but you just gave me a couple better reasons to keep them longer.

    Thanks again, look forward to seeing the frame and starting the build.

    Cheers,
  • 06-13-2013
    jjkitt
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    My ION 16
    Hope everyone is having great start to your summer. Well, I received my ION 16 yesterday after ordering it in February. Pretty stoked to have it! I cannot say enough good things about John Fagone at Bike Medics who made this possible. It was a pleasure dealing with him (John) he truly made it easy! I would highly recommend anyone in the USA considering purchasing a Nicolai to contact and use John. PM me if you would like John's contact information.
    Cheers,
  • 06-13-2013
    raschaa
    Looooking GOOD^^

    by the way sre the pics taken at a bike shop or ist that your private "workspace"?
  • 06-13-2013
    jjkitt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    by the way sre the pics taken at a bike shop or ist that your private "workspace"?

    raschaa,

    Thanks for the comment, the pics are at my local bike shop and with my mechanic (Phil). Phil stayed late (after closing) to help me...he was pretty excited to work on the frame. Hopefully I can finish it by Sunday and go for a ride if the weather holds out.

    By the way, has anyone had any issues with the XX1 cassette? I think its one of the Hope EVO PROII XX1 freehub bearings binding when the cassette is on and mounted on the frame with the through axle fully tightened. My rear wheel will not spin freely, when I remove the cassette the wheel it does spins freely. Any suggestions would be most helpfull.

    Cheers,
  • 06-13-2013
    thepimpmessiah
    Big black seal not sitting in its place properly... I fitted one last night.

    Looks ace:thumbsup:
  • 06-13-2013
    jjkitt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah View Post
    Big black seal not sitting in its place properly... I fitted one last night.

    Thanks, I'll look into that!

    Cheers,
  • 06-14-2013
    Whafe
    New ION 16 is looking sick, cant wait to see it built up...

    I have set up a thread for ION16 builds etc Nicolai ION 16 Set-Up Database

    Keep the pictures flowing....

    Glad John has hooked you up well, have ridden and spent some time with him when i rode in his area, really cool guy...

    Enjoy the bike, then enjoy some more
  • 06-15-2013
    jjkitt
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Whafe View Post
    New ION 16 is looking sick, cant wait to see it built up...

    I have set up a thread for ION16 builds etc Nicolai ION 16 Set-Up Database

    Keep the pictures flowing....

    Glad John has hooked you up well, have ridden and spent some time with him when i rode in his area, really cool guy...

    Enjoy the bike, then enjoy some more

    Whafe,
    Thanks for the comments and the new ION 16 build thread. I found out my rear Hope Hub's bearingss are toast causing the issues with the XX1 set up. So these pictures are of my temporary build until I get the new hub installed. I will wait until complete before posting to the new thread.
    Initial test ride set for tomorrow morning, very excited!
    I have the CCDB air XV, set up per the Nicolai website. X-Fusion Slant up front which only comes with 203mm rotor mounts:confused: I find that a little frustrating, I would like the option to have the choice on what rotor size I want to run.

    Will post more after a few rides.

    Cheers,

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  • 06-16-2013
    honourablegeorge
    Loving that all black, nice one.
  • 06-16-2013
    shakeyakey
    clamping the seatpost on the stanchion tisk tisk
  • 06-16-2013
    jjkitt
    Hey, I contacted KS about that...they said "go for it", not to worried about it.

    Had my initial ride today....holy smokes! I rode all day, my legs are spent. That thing (ION 16) just wants to fly! More later, but the BLUFF (Bottom Line Up Front) is that the CCDBA XV is worth all the hype! Set it up per Nicolai's suggestions and you won't be disappointed. Now to beer and pizza and to grin:p!

    Honourablegeorge, thanks for the comment!

    Cheers,
  • 06-16-2013
    jjkitt
    Ooops, sorry double post.
  • 06-17-2013
    thepimpmessiah
    Looks brilliant. Probably the only frame I'd trade my Helius AM for ;)
  • 06-17-2013
    honourablegeorge
    Mine has shipped..... Now I just need BOS to send me shock mounts.
  • 06-18-2013
    honourablegeorge
    Can anyone with a frame confirm somethign for me - are the shock mounts 22mm x 8mm?

    I spoke to Nicolai yesterday, and they said 16mm x 8mm - but looking at the tech sheet, it says 22mm x 8mm which looks more correct from photos.
  • 06-18-2013
    raschaa
    yo, 22x8, just measured...
  • 06-19-2013
    honourablegeorge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    yo, 22x8, just measured...

    Thanks - spoke with Nicolai, was a Monday morning mixup, they confirmed it was 22mm also.
  • 06-20-2013
    jjkitt
    Hope all is well with everyone and you are enjoying your first days of summer! Looking forward to seeing everyone's ION 16 frames/builds.

    I have a question for the longer term Nicolai owners, especially ones with anodized frames. Noticed on my first ride the corners of the "NICOLAI" top-tube stickers are starting to peal. I guessing its due to the anodized finish. Does anyone have any tips/tricks/methods to keep the stickers down?
    I know it is very, very minor and the bike is wicked cool with or without stickers. Just thought I would ask...but I have heard stickers do make you go faster!:p

    Cheers,
  • 06-21-2013
    jjkitt
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    Frame for Sale on Nicolai site
    For those of you sitting on the fence due to long production wait time take a took at this:
    Nicolai Bikes: Frame ION 16 size L serial number #s615

    Large ION16 frame available on Nicolai "On Stock" list. Looks great!!
    Cheers,
  • 07-01-2013
    jjkitt
    Max fork length for ION 16
    I have a question for all you hard core Nicolai owners.
    What is the maximum size fork I can install on the ION 16? Rode a bike park in the "high" mode with a 160mm 34mm stanchion fork. Would like to put the bike in the "low" configuration and run a BOS Idylle SC air 180mm for a little travel and stiffness for the next time I visit a park. Can I put a fork of that length on the ION 16 and not damage it or void the warranty?

    Understand the specs say 160mm...just looking for any experience and advice.

    Cheers,
  • 07-02-2013
    raschaa
    hey JJ,

    the specs do not say 160mm, they say a2c max of 555mm which means a 170mm Lyrik is just fine. I'm running a 178mm X-Fusion Vengeance at the moment with a2c of 565mm (@ low). That does slack it out a little more than I like but it is still very "rideable", just not quite so for going up. Will most likely travel it down to the 555mm a2c to get the geo back where I want it.

    If it is gonna be damaged by a 180mm fork I don't know, Nicolais tend to take abuse very nicely, but I know that they explicitly set max a2c to avoid having owners taking the frame beyond its intended riding zone... there's a lot of mischief to be done with a 180mm fork ;) and thats where the Ion18 comes in...

    The warranty question is one that I can't answer...
  • 07-02-2013
    honourablegeorge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    hey JJ,

    the specs do not say 160mm, they say a2c max of 555mm which means a 170mm Lyrik is just fine.

    Yeah - they say "Matching Fork Travel" is 160mm on the tech sheet - that reads to me like a recommendation, not a maximum. Would be odd to exclude 170mm, with so many popular Enduro forks coming in 170.



    Speaking of things that don't quite fit the bike - has anyone tried 650b wheels on the Ion 16? Looks like there's a decent amount of clearance, and my fork can take them too - I'm curious
  • 07-02-2013
    jjkitt
    Thanks george and raschaa for all the info and comments....yeah the tech sheet is were I got the 160mm from.
    Thanks rachaa for pointing out the a2c information. I sent an email out to Vincent at Nicolai, but as you know they are pretty busy and typically has taken a while to get a response.
    The BOS is more of a "pipe dream" than anything else, I have a X-Fusion Vengeance HLR Coil I was planning to re-set the travel at 170mm and use a park fork, guess thats what I'll do for the time-being.
    Thanks again for all the responses...the ION 16 is wicked fun to ride!

    george, sorry, I have no experience with the 650b format.

    Cheers,
  • 07-02-2013
    raschaa
    Hey George, been thinking about the 650 as well... you wanna give it a go and be the guinea pig? I guess the only real problem might be the rear wheel hits the seat tube...
  • 07-02-2013
    honourablegeorge
    Not sure I'd be willing to be the guinea pig on my new pride & joy. But if one of my friends succumbs and buys a set of 650 wheels, I'll certainly try one out - at least on the workstand
  • 07-12-2013
    jjkitt
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    2 ION 16's in the USA
    Sooo, my LBS mechanic was so impressed by my ION 16 frame he asked me to help him pick up this one from NICOLAI's on stock list. It will be fun to watch him build it up. He did amateur DH, a hell of a rider!!

    Hope all are enjoying their builds and summer riding. Thanks again to John Fagone of BikeMedics and all at Nicolai!

    Cheers,
  • 07-17-2013
    honourablegeorge
    Anyone know which spare dropout I need for the Ion? Nothing engraved on mine that I can see - I'm guessing it's not one of the normal ones anyhow as it's 12x142mm
  • 07-18-2013
    raschaa
    it's Ion16 specific, just order one for Ion16...

    addendum: as with all N dropouts, check on the inside if their is a number embossed. its either +1 or -1, the 0 dropouts are blank.
  • 08-15-2013
    jjkitt
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    Some Pic's
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    A few pics from a test ride with a new RS Pike.

    Cheers,
  • 08-17-2013
    raschaa
    so JJ, hows it riding for ya? especially the shock :D
  • 08-17-2013
    jjkitt
    raschaa,

    So far my rides have been short, but the shock is very nice. Please PM me the negative spring adjustment you told me about. The Vector comparable to the CCDB Air...and that's a good thing. The HSC is hard to adjust on the trail...the clicks are very subtle and any ambient noise drowns them out.
    Bike is still tons of fun to ride...the RS Pike is good too but I have to send it in for warranty work already. When I was checking if I had a loose headset I notice, on the dampner side, the lowers where making a knocking feeling/noise when I held the front brake and rock the tire back and forth.

    How's everyone else's ION16's doing?

    Cheers,
  • 08-20-2013
    jjkitt
    2 Attachment(s)
    2 ION 16's in the USA
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    A couple of pics from my LBS mechanic's ION 16 inaugural ride at Fountain Head Park in Northern Virginia:thumbsup:.

    Cheers,
  • 08-20-2013
    raschaa
    perfect opportunity to compare ccdba and vectair...
  • 08-20-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    perfect opportunity to compare ccdba and vectair...

    Probably needs a few rides to break in and tune up.
  • 08-26-2013
    xixo one
    Hi everyone, here you got a video from Ainsa (Spain) this summer with my Ion 16 !

    http://youtu.be/QQrT13P4UJ0