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    Helius Am Pinion

    HI guys,
    in the german forum the Helius AM with a pinion gearbox just appeared:

    Nicolai Helius AM Pinion - Fahrbericht vom ersten Mountainbike mit Pinion Getriebe - MTB-News.de | IBC Mountainbike Forum

    sorry, no english yet.

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    Oh good lord that looks amazing. If it works as well as it looks that's a big step forward for gear box bikes.

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    I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one, I want one................................

    Just how many gears has this thing got? and what sort of range?

    Now where did I put Dipper's number .

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    18 gears, 600% range. Adjustable via the chainring size. The range is quite wide, I guess because the gearbox is to be bolted to any kind of bike.

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    I wonder if they can do that with a 29er

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    Well I've just asked Dipper to order me one.......

    Mind you he's bleatin' on about needin' permission fae my 'boss' as well as other excuses.

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    Well far be it for me to be the source of turmoil in an otherwise happy home! Oh sorry I forgot, you're meant to be saving for the 'happy home'!!
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    OMG, I like it!


    Weight of the frame+pinion+cranks+chainring?

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    Good job!

    Total weight for the bike in the link above is stated 15.3kg. Jummy
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Helius Am Pinion-nicolai-helius-am_pinion_2012.jpg  


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    amazing.....

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    Adriano.... :-).

    15.3 is the total weight but... some parts could be more light. I hope that nicolai tell more about the specs in Eurobike :-)

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    Its the future - we need something like this to take off and kick shim and srams ass a bit - they could easily be bringing this stuff to market but dont want to.

    How many gears does it have?

    All that bike needs is a ccdb air on the back!
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    Wow... amazing. Now please bring it in AC flavour... trail slayer!
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    18 gears, 600% of range. Good news :-).

    I hope that extend it to AC and AFR models

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    it does indeed look like the future. not that its a big deal but its a shame it needs a chain tensioner. hopefully it will be cheaper than the gboxx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper View Post
    it does indeed look like the future. not that its a big deal but its a shame it needs a chain tensioner. hopefully it will be cheaper than the gboxx!
    I'd imagine that it needs the tensioner to allow for chain line growth during compression but at least it's cheaper to replace than a rear mech. The problem I can see though is the lack of chain guide at the front and possibly the lack of bash gaurd mounting points.

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    Looks great doesn't it? We're really stoked about this one and apparently we can take orders now with a deposit to secure your place in the first production runs (though no promise of a delivery date).

    Looking at the way the hub is put together there are lots of opportunities for an optional/custom drive side gearbox cover to integrate or mount bash or chainguide. Something like a Roox rollercoaster might be enough so you keep the back end really simple - maybe combined with a rear cog with side plates (seen on some Alfine/Nexus cogs i think).
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    Can it be done to a long travel 29er? Like my 150mm AM/AFR 29er?

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    a light ceradure or light ti cog with the Paul Components melvin will be a good option too

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    WooHoo......emailed Karl this morning about ordering an AM Pinion and recieved an email back from Vincent telling me to contact my local dealer (Dipper) to place an order NOW.

    And that's just what I've done!

    Now the waiting begins..........

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    Fook me SDR you didn't take much convincing!

    What are you going to do with you current AM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972 View Post
    Fook me SDR you didn't take much convincing!

    What are you going to do with you current AM?
    It's the way forward.......trust me.

    I'll just swap the parts over from the old to the new and sell the current AM frame.

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    What's the cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianpinder View Post
    What's the cost?
    I don't think there's a price for the Pinion P1 yet but according to the jungle drums it should be cheaper than the current gearbox offerings.

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    Looks like I'm gonna have to sell my current am to fund the Africa thing, so come next year I'll be after a new bike. This will be it. Custom, ano, extra live, probably pushing 4k...

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    I don't think there's a price for the Pinion P1 yet but according to the jungle drums it should be cheaper than the current gearbox offerings.
    I hope it but the important is... what price he say you? :-)

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    SDR looks like you've just postponed my scotland road trip! haha

    Think there will be a large blue FR frame up for sale soon along with i'm guessing a lot of other peoples!!

    Be awesome if they could work out a way to combine it with the gates carbon drive!

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    Also does it come with a proper shifter instead of **** grip shift type

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey View Post
    SDR looks like you've just postponed my scotland road trip! haha

    Think there will be a large blue FR frame up for sale soon along with i'm guessing a lot of other peoples!!

    Be awesome if they could work out a way to combine it with the gates carbon drive!
    Fort Bill this Saturday......it's not too late! You know you want to.

    I've already seen a picture with a Pinion P1 fitted with Gates Carbon Drive. I'll go have another look and see if I can find it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdr08 View Post
    Fort Bill this Saturday......it's not too late! You know you want to.

    I've already seen a picture with a Pinion P1 fitted with Gates Carbon Drive. I'll go have another look and see if I can find it again.
    Actually it's pictured on the link at the top of the page. Don't think you'll get one fitted to a full suspension bike though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey View Post
    Also does it come with a proper shifter instead of **** grip shift type
    Apparently not.

    In the German it says Pinion uses a twist grip instead of a proper one for the same reasons as apply to Rohloffs. Someone with better German and better mechanical knowledge can probably tell us more, but it's something to do with the range of gears. They in fact mention a possible/theoretical electrically-triggered gear change as a solution.

    For me, lack of a proper shifter is a minus point, but it all looks pretty interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdr08 View Post
    Actually it's pictured on the link at the top of the page. Don't think you'll get one fitted to a full suspension bike though.
    It'd have to be a Nucleon series so the chain do not experience tension variations.

    But that would mean dumping more money to make the Nucleon to fit the Pinion. They're almost there, though.
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    AluTech's take on the Pinion, via google translate:

    Google Translate

    Very neat.

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    oooowww that google translate works on the am page too!! Google Translate

    WIN

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    Some experiments in XLS with parts I know because are mounted in my actual bike and the little info about this new model

    I assume 400 gr for cranks and the new frame weight without pinion aprox the same as regular AM. The plate weight aprox the same that the BB and a little part of down and seat tube



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    Quote Originally Posted by markchang View Post
    Some experiments in XLS with parts I know because are mounted in my actual bike and the little info about this new model

    I assume 400 gr for cranks and the new frame weight without pinion aprox the same as regular AM. The plate weight aprox the same that the BB and a little part of down and seat tube
    I don't want to see the results when babelfish tries to translate "tija pija"...
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    OK, it's a coloquial name. It means telescopic seatpost, like gravitty dropper, crank brothers... :-)

    But in Méjico pija Means... ;-)

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    That is a stunning looking bike,Loving the Gearbox.
    If they do an AC,i will order one.
    Not liking the twisty shift idea.

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    i used to love my old XO twist shifters. often thought about going back to them. stopped using them as they didnt work with the brakes i was using at the time but the long levered hopes will be fine now. getting decent grips can be an issue as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper View Post
    i used to love my old XO twist shifters. often thought about going back to them. stopped using them as they didnt work with the brakes i was using at the time but the long levered hopes will be fine now. getting decent grips can be an issue as well
    I did use them a few years,but found it difficult to change gear when riding the rough stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam View Post
    I did use them a few years,but found it difficult to change gear when riding the rough stuff
    i had the original clear gripshifts back in the day and the sachs ones and they were shocking once it got wet or muddy. The joys of having to put tiewraps around your shifters and wear gloves just to change gear!!

    Gimmie a proper Sram trigger shifter any day

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    I use the X0 twist shifters and for a all round bike Is a very good option. I suposse that the twist shift election is because they need a tire or throw very long to change gear and spinning the best achieved. In addition if it is a 6x3 takes 2 reducers and with a twist shifter is much easier, cheaper and lighter to do (I think)

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    Am in Love.....
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    Pinion 18 speed Gearbox - Eurobike 2011 - Pinkbike.com

    less weight than I hope for the pinion system :-)

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    AND surprisingly well priced! This is getting more tempting by the minute....

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    yes, it's a good price!

    I hope tomorrow pinion reveal the cranks weight and nicolai reveals the frame weight :-)

    In my XLS examples the system is arround 1 kg heavier :-(.

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    In my opinion, 1 kg is NOTHING.

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    1 Kg extra in weight is minimal, the benefits of the weight in the middle of the bike and low is worth 1 Kg
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    SDR08 let me know when you come to sell that AM. 1.5" HT?
    Aka chainline...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    SDR08 let me know when you come to sell that AM. 1.5" HT?
    Yeah it's 1.5"HT, 12mm Rear Axle, HS mount plus additional front shock mounts to allow fitment of a 200x57 shock. If I decide to sell it'll probably be in the next few weeks once I decide on whether to keep either the AM or FR in the stable.

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