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    Helius AM is here...

    Jun 6, 2012 12:08 PM At local FedEx facility Tendered at FedEx Office
    And Cane Creek Double Barrel Air is home. Should I skip the rest of the day?

    Unfortunately, for the first half a year it will live with my old Coiler part kit. Not that it is a bad part kit, but not exactly what I want.

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    Bring on the photos...

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    Good news there,\photos please

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    Axe, what 650b tyres and wheels are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Axe, what 650b tyres and wheels are you using?
    None yet for Helius. Will wait on Fox fork and new Schwalbe tires to become available. Will measure what will fit in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momentus View Post
    Bring on the photos...
    Picked it up at Fedex over lunch. Parking lot cell phone photo so far.

    Frame looks nice. Very purposefully built. Kinda like my Magura forks that I like - no elaborate spit and polish, but straight, true and well engineered where it matters. Of course I could only check how it all builds up and all the dimensions are right once I actually build it up.
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    Colour looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Colour looks good.
    It turned out quite clean and understated in person - sky blue.

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    Looks hawt Axe, looking forward to seeing this built up, and even more so your first ride report...
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    No good

    Well, before the build up, I am pretty annoyed at this moment.

    Installed CCDBA - and at the longest travel setting dogbone touches the aircan if I put it to the back. Just barely - and only at maximum compression and extension, but there is contact. Probably would not happen when it is aired up, but I am not sure...

    With air can forward - I can only install it with piggyback down, which renders bottle mount completely useless.

    Damn. I need my bottle mount. Part of the decision to go with this frame.

    I wonder if I can stil return Cane Creek DBA to universal and find XFusion Vector HLR somewhere - it has piggyback on the air can side.

    Dang. It probably would not be of much use even with Vector.

    I wonder if some sideloading low profile bottles exist.
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    Plenty of side loading bottle cages, not sure abut bottles.

    I would have throughout Cane Creek would be pretty good about a return.
    Aka chainline...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Plenty of side loading bottle cages, not sure abut bottles.

    I would have throughout Cane Creek would be pretty good about a return.
    Return would be to Universal Cycles, and stupidly I have opened the liltle plastic bag with their adjustment tool.

    By all accounts I found it is the best shock - I hoped it will work with air can to the rear side.

    It would take a very, very small modification to the swing link to clear the can. Just a millimeter wide notches in the edge, which I could do with a file, and I doubt it will affect strength much if at all, but understandably, I hesitate taking a file to a brand new expensive frame.

    Weight with shock and rear axle was 3950g. Not too light, but good..

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    Hmm... not sure what to do. I have a week to return CCDBA, hope they do not object - no marks on it whatsoever, though I did open that little packet with adjustment tool... But my only other choice I would want is XFusion Vector HLR, and they are nowhere to be found aftermarket.

    Still no guarantee it would fit though. I really do not want any simple can shocks like Monarch RT3 or Floar RP-whatever they have now. This frame needs a proper shock..

    Maybe finding some solution with a low profile bottle would be easier... And I did order the second bottle mount on the downtube (intended for light battery and attaching pump..). I am not sure about riding with a heavy water bottle under the downtube.. though maybe it is all right... Nicolai's tubes are not butted from what I understand..

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    Arrgh.. Wrote to the XFusion guy, and they are all backordered - and he does not sell through online retailers because "they undercut MSRP pricing".. Cane Creek does not seem to have a problem. Grrr... I guess they do not want to sell aftermarket..

    Any ideas on slim water bottles that are not for roadies only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    It turned out quite clean and understated in person - sky blue.
    I meant the car

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    These might be slimmer? Shiva

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Hmm... not sure what to do. I have a week to return CCDBA, hope they do not object - no marks on it whatsoever, though I did open that little packet with adjustment tool... But my only other choice I would want is XFusion Vector HLR, and they are nowhere to be found aftermarket.

    Still no guarantee it would fit though. I really do not want any simple can shocks like Monarch RT3 or Floar RP-whatever they have now. This frame needs a proper shock..

    Maybe finding some solution with a low profile bottle would be easier... And I did order the second bottle mount on the downtube (intended for light battery and attaching pump..). I am not sure about riding with a heavy water bottle under the downtube.. though maybe it is all right... Nicolai's tubes are not butted from what I understand..
    what about a monarch plus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    what about a monarch plus?
    Even better BOS Vip'r

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    what about a monarch plus?
    I thought about the Push version.. Surprisignly Push remove RS air shock service from their site. It ain't there anymore. I can find a link to their version through Google - more expensive that what I paid for CCDBA..

    Did not have a chance to ride it... reviews had been not as good as CCDBA or Vector Air HLR..

    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Even better BOS Vip'r
    No piggy back probably means not as consistent over long descends (like one hour non-stop as would be the intended use for Helius). No separate high/low speed adjustments. And I would rather have no flipping levers. But, obviously, I have no idea how it actually performs..

    By all accounts CCDBA should be perfect - I just need to fit the darn bottle. I was expecting that aircan on the dogbone side will work - I think I saw some pictures in that orientation. Maybe I should in fact file down four notches..

    Really wanted to ride it this weekend... any shock fiddling will delay it by a couple weeks at least.

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    No filey to keep the smiley

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    Quote Originally Posted by -jes View Post
    No filey to keep the smiley
    Not sure I get it - are you trying to rub it in?


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    Why don't you use a camelback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Not sure I get it - are you trying to rub it in?

    Just light hearted advise against doing anything rash, thought you would regret taking a file to a very nice and expensive frame, I know I would.

    There must be a more technical solution maybe offset shock bushes.

    Burgtec Titanium Offset Shock Hardware | Burgtec

    Or contact Nicolai or the importer and see what they recommend,
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    go ride has the vector air in stock in 7.875x2.25

    X Fusion Vector Air HLR - Go-Ride.com Bicycle Shop, Salt Lake City, Utah.

    not sure what your helius takes though

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig View Post
    Why don't you use a camelback?
    I overheat. It is a nuisance to keep clean. It is heavy. It is not needed for a couple hour long ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    go ride has the vector air in stock in 7.875x2.25

    not sure what your helius takes though
    8.5x2.5

    They will be in stock in a week or two at headquarters (they are local and very helpful).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I overheat. It is a nuisance to keep clean. It is heavy. It is not needed for a couple hour long ride.
    You used to be able to get small ones, you prob still can. I've got a 1.5 litre one.
    All you do to keep it clean is rinse and chuck in the freezer, job done.
    Easier to drink from too

    Poor excuses when the alternative is different bike/shock??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holyzeus View Post
    You used to be able to get small ones, you prob still can. I've got a 1.5 litre one.
    All you do to keep it clean is rinse and chuck in the freezer, job done.
    Easier to drink from too
    No, it is not. It is a hassle and a nuisance and a bottle gets the job done. It has weight sitting high and exacerbates stress on your back and shoulder straps interfere with breathing. Maybe you enjoy sweaty, clammy, chafed back and shoulders - I do not. I have more fun riding without it.

    I do own two backpacks that had been sold with a hydration system - larger Ultimate Direction and a smaller Salomon running. Deuter Attack with back protector also fits it. They are very nice packs - use them on hikes and running, as there are no other option to carry stuff, but still remove that hose thing and just carry a Platypus bottle and a smaller bottle in a waist pocket.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyzeus View Post
    Poor excuses when the alternative is different bike/shock??
    I would rather get a different shock than a heatstroke and mucking around with freezing bags and sucking on a hose.

    Even if I wear a pack - long trip, or my pack with a build in back protector, I would put water in a soft Platypus pouch, and refill a frame mounted bottle on stops.
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    Bzzt. Got a sideloading Specialized Zee bottle cage. Still no go. But it would work with Vector Air HLR.

    I am surprised the dogbone touches the air can. It is such a minor fix, millimeter at the most, they should have tested for it - and they promote CCDBA.

    Here is one picture I saw when deciding - but now I see it is at the second travel position (which clears)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Bzzt. Got a sideloading Specialized Zee bottle cage. Still no go. But it would work with Vector Air HLR.

    I am surprised the dogbone touches the air can. It is such a minor fix, millimeter at the most, they should have tested for it - and they promote CCDBA.

    Here is one picture I saw when deciding - but now I see it is at the second travel position (which clears)




    I'm not sure. I think you will hit the piggyback. Even with a sideloading bottle, that'd be a tad difficult. The Vector has a looooong piggy.

    I'd say a small camelbak will suit you. Something small in the capacity of your bottle. Just don't overdo the thing and start doing like many of us who pack stuff that we even don't need.

    It will be one less thing to think about when riding. The bottle will use "processor" power on a frame with a piggyback shock.

    It's your call, but I think you'll be happier with a small 'bak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    I'd say a small camelbak will suit you. Something small in the capacity of your bottle. Just don't overdo the thing and start doing like many of us who pack stuff that we even don't need.

    It will be one less thing to think about when riding. The bottle will use "processor" power on a frame with a piggyback shock.

    It's your call, but I think you'll be happier with a small 'bak.
    I am very sure I will not be happier with a pack. Tried many times.

    I have ordered a short toolkit bottle to use in that location when shock is at full travel. It fits with a Zee cage. I often carry spare tube and stuff in my jersey rear pocket. I got a flat flask style bottle - about 200ml that I can put into that pocket, and can carry a refill on the bottom mount (with cap over the top - so as not to get contaminated with feces spraying from the front wheel.)

    For longer rides I will flip it to 150mm setting anyway. Then a normal bottle fits.

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    Not sure if this helps your situation, but Adam Craig's mechanic made a shim to offset the bottlecage on his Trance-X to make room for the coil shock: Gallery: Pro Bike: Adam Craig’s Giant Trance X Advanced SL - BikeRadar
    Seems like you could do the same thing to move the cage back closer to the seat tube.

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    How did this work out Axe? Would love to see a picture of your final setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dump View Post
    How did this work out Axe? Would love to see a picture of your final setup.
    It is back in its frame form at this moment, and kit went back onto Coiler, which I will either sell or keep as a beater/park/friend loaner bike.

    But, the good news is that I finally decided on how I want it run for the next few years, and it is not 650b. As I have several bikes, I want one to be a bit longer legged, and Helius AM will be it. So I do not want to limit travel and compromise geometry.

    I have ordered Lyrik Coil DH 170mm with 1.5" steerer - will fit it with zero stack Orbit E headset to keep height the same as with 160mm fork. Got a bunch of other bits - but can't pull the trigger on a fancier wheelset. Will roll with Nukeproof AM (MTX 29 rims) for now. Got XT brakes, will reuse XTR crankset with 23-34-bash, SIXC handlebars, Gravity light 1.5" stem, will share seatpost with my Rotwild, and wait on availability and durability reports on the new Thomson (or just get Gravity Dropper).. Should set it up fairly soon, but not in a rush - rain and ski season.

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    i am considering to move to the Helius AM; i have a dubt about the right size and i need your help: i am 174cm tall. normal bodytype construction....i think i am in the between of the Small size and thef Mediun size....what do oyou think about ??...thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pescecane View Post
    i am considering to move to the Helius AM; i have a dubt about the right size and i need your help: i am 174cm tall. normal bodytype construction....i think i am in the between of the Small size and thef Mediun size....what do oyou think about ??...thanks
    Medium. I am 174cm, fits great (50mm stem, straight seatpost)

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    do you have no problem with the seat tube??..it is almost a 18" and it seems to be a little too long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pescecane View Post
    do you have no problem with the seat tube??..it is almost a 18" and it seems to be a little too long...
    That is very easily fixed. When you order the frame, for a small additional charge you can specify to have the seat tube cut down to just just above the juncture with the top tube. That would make it about 15" or the same length as on a small size frame. Personally I prefer the aesthetics of this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pescecane View Post
    do you have no problem with the seat tube??..it is almost a 18" and it seems to be a little too long...
    Seems fine, and I am not long legged. Enough space for an adjustable seatpost. I guess you would need to measure your existing bike.

    My medium TransAm also has 18", and my medium Rotwild R.C1 FS 120 is almost 19" (480mm) to the top of the seattube. Both also fit well. My Motobecane Fly ti hardtail i also 18" and it fits me a bit small - short top tube. I think the only limitation would be requirements on an adjustable post if you want to use longer drop. Measure.

    In any case - 22.25" top tube on size small is way too small for somebody 5'8" IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972 View Post
    That is very easily fixed. When you order the frame, for a small additional charge you can specify to have the seat tube cut down to just just above the juncture with the top tube. That would make it about 15" or the same length as on a small size frame. Personally I prefer the aesthetics of this as well.
    Beware that that may not work with many adjustable posts - they would need some minimal insertion length. And with regular post you would be looking at 400mm+. He really should measure his full extension, and compare with requirements for seatposts he would use.
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