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    Helius AM

    Hey guy's haven;t been around on the forum for awile. I just ordered a AM to see what it is all about. This bike is between the CC and the FR. The AM is going to have adjustable travel. The travel setting is going to be (120 4.9 )(135 5.3 )(145 5.7 5.8 )(167 6.6 )which i think are great travel setting. This bike is giong to be a everything bike. I alway's felt that if the cc had a little more it would be the bike of all bikes. That what i hope the AM is going to be. We have been talking with nicolai alot to try to get more bikes here and hopefully it will work. I do have to say the FR is the best bike i have ever been . It is so stable climbing and decending and dropping. But like everything in life you get older and need a little less and that what the AM was geared towards . I will post pictures of the bike when it comes in and a review of the bike. cheers.

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    Awesome.. what spec and options / color have you gone for?

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    Just going to keep it simple black anodized.

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    ncig, I see that some AM builds are coming out as heavy as an FR. My older 05 FR weighs 32lb with CCDB. The way I see it, an AM build should come out 30lb or less, otherwise why bother? Like to know your spec.?

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    I am hoping that it comes in less then 30 pounds here is the build.

    MED frame
    XTR CRANKS
    ROCKSHOCK PIKE FORK
    CCDB TI SPRING
    I9 ENDURO WHEELS
    XO SHIFTERS
    X9 RDER
    THOMPSON X4 STEM

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    The older FR frame was lighter than the beefed up '08 ... so Nicolai needed something to close the gap between CC and the current FR. The result (AM) looks good.

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    Is this one going to hit the classifieds as well, after months of riding, of course being advertised as new like your last one?

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    As alway's you don't have your fact right! Do me a favor if you don't have anything worth saying don't say it.

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    We all saw the ad and commented on the used Nicolai you sold to someone as new.

    Anyhow, good luck.

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    First off are you talking about the white Knolly we sold for CF? Because we have yet to sell any Nicolai on the mtbr. If CF CC sells that would be the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    I am hoping that it comes in less then 30 pounds here is the build.

    MED frame
    XTR CRANKS
    ROCKSHOCK PIKE FORK
    CCDB TI SPRING
    I9 ENDURO WHEELS
    XO SHIFTERS
    X9 RDER
    THOMPSON X4 STEM
    I would look at different forks, the Pike damping system is not very sophisticated. It can be set for small stuff or big stuff... not both, and even when set for big stuff they can be easily overwhelmed and end up blowing through the travel and going clunk-clunk-clunk as they bounce between bottom out and top out. Feels and sounds horrible on the trail

    Very light though... but if all your worried about is the weight of the thing why not take the internals out out of your forks? That way you can post pictures and boast about the weight of the bike on internet forums without worrying about how it rides

    *pinch of salt*

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    I was wondering about the choosen fork myself, on the other hand a proper AM/Enduro air fork with 160mm (Fox Talas, Lyrik 2-Step) is almost twice the price of a Pike air in retail. At least that's how it is here in Germany. Magura's Wotan would come in bit cheaper though.

    Anyway, I'm looking very much forward seeing that build !!!

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    Which rear travel setting do you plan to use?
    Does that affect BB height and/or frame angles?

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    I will be set up at the 145mm travel. This bike will be set up as a true AM bike. I am considering the lyrik. not sure yet

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    Hi ncig, have you considered the DT Swiss 150 with bolt-through. My dealer says that his customers love them; and they are very light! Does anybody have reports on them?

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    No but i will look into it sounds good. Thanks ryates

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    DT Swiss - a'la PACE.
    I used to run the PACE equivalent RC41 Fighter on a Cove Hustler. Great fork, sh1tr reliability, and I'll be surprised if DT have amended the reliability as it's based on the PACE internals / modular design. although, i have no evidence on which to base this opinion.

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    Thanks for the heads up on the fork it is also very expensive.

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    Same here on DT / Pace - ran an RC40 on numerous bikes - back to the factory 3 times!!
    Also had problems with Wotans which have now gone back to Magura -apparently this is more widespread than reported.

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    I have to say I like the Wotans and they have performed really well on my FR. Because I neglected to clean under the seals, they did get gummed-up after 10 months. I sent them back to Magura UK and they serviced them and updated them with the latest damping and applied the new look decals, and did not charge a penny. How's that for service? When I got them back, they needed running in over about 6 rides. They also told me how to lower the legs in order to get out the seals to clean. This needs to be done periodically depending on how much riding/weather conditions you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    I will be set up at the 145mm travel. This bike will be set up as a true AM bike. I am considering the lyrik. not sure yet
    I have a Lyrik SoloAir set to 140mm using spacers. It was only ~100g heavier than my PIKE air u-turn.

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    Do you like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    Do you like it
    Yea, it's sweet. Pike was sweet as well. They're definitely not the same though. The Lyrik ramps up more, and does feel a bit more solid.

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    Glad you had a better experience than me. Mine went back to Magura UK after ~5hrs riding as the travel adjust stopped working. Same happened again about 10hrs later, a week before a 2 week trip to Scotland and the Lakes. Got them back just in time to find (a) they'd forgotten to reattatch the compression adjust knob, and (b) they didn't hold any air (you could hear it hissing out). After a significant amount of pressure, the rep did try and sort me out with a brand new pair, but I decided against it and bought a pair of Lyric Coils, which I prefer anyway.

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    Thanks guys for the info i am also thinking of the marz 55 ata but i am hearing good and bad.

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    heihei, sorry to hear about your problems with the Wotan. Seems to be a hit or miss situation with most makes of fork. Heard good and bad about nearly all of them. Manufacturers generally need to improve their quality control standards, especially considering the prices asked. The only suspension product I have heard no complaints about is the CCDB shock. Talking about different forks, has anybody considered White Industries?

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    To complete the confusion , I'm throwing the 2009 Fox 32 Talas with 150mm in.

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    I am considering it to the 15qr is the sticking point. I should have so many problems.

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    Going to be an interesting bike the AM, will be interesting to see how the majority are spec'd.... The Lyric or Fox 36 Talas comes to mind... I have the Talas on my FR and have yet to really beat on it, and I do try and give it a hard time....

    I would think that Nicolai will spec their own AM's with a Lyric Air fork I would think..... I have had a good run out of a Pike 454... The term AM is a differing one now it seems...

    But I agree with an earlier comment, it needs to be below 30 lbs in my book to be a light AM ride... My FR is 32lbs and strong as an Ox thus far.....

    WIll for sure watch this with great interest...
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    Whafe this bike will be under 30 pounds if it kills me. What will make it under 30 is going to be fork selection! That seems to be the million dollar question. I am leaning toward 3 forks.


    1 Is the Pike 454 it is the lightest and has 20ml travel only goes to 150 so that the down point to that fork.


    2 The Lyric Air fork is what i want in travel but is heavier if it weigh like 4.8 it would be a no brainer but where in the 5pound range which is heavier then my float so that the down size to that.



    3 Last is the Marzz 55ATA which is the weigh i want and the travel i am looking for . The problem is all the bad reports that i have heard about the fork not working right which makes me nervous.

    The conversation i have had with Nicolai is this bike is meant for me old guy that wants a great bike but doesn't need a FR size bike. What scares me the most is how much i love my FR it is truly one of my favorite bikes of all time. But as what they told me at Nicolai it will be as good as the FR just lighter and not meant for a lot of dropping and abuse like that. That is why i want this bike to be under 30 pounds and front end not to sit so high. especially that my FR is 31 pounds. Will keep you up dated should see frame in about weeks .

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    If weight is a concern What bout a 36 float @ 4.69lbs 2.12kg?

    However fork performance is not an area that id ever compromise on for a few pounds, so my choice at 160 would have to be the Fox 36 Talas. @ 5.08lbs 2.3kg? Consistently reviewed as stiff and with every adjustment you will need. I wish they did a god dam 180mm veriosn - im thinking a fox 38 series, as I would be all over it like a rash.

    The difference in weight is minimal!

    http://www.foxracingshox.com/fox_bicycle/bike_index.htm

    The Marz forks really dook like the real deal on the spec.. however beware the weights have been know to be a bit off.. ie not include oil or steerer tubes.. Also the quality of the lower castings seems to be in doubt. Marz are aware of this but until I hear 6 months of trouble free comments on the boards I wont be touching them. For the full lowdown including the excellent responses from Marzocchi on the subject take a look here

    Marzocchi "Oh how the mighty "M" has fallen"
    Marzocchi "Oh how the mighty "M" has fallen"

    In summary Marz admit to a few problems and have been chasing their tails all year to sort it out. I suspect that the 09 forks could well be excellent. Its no different to the problems Rock Shox had with the 07 2 steps and seals.. which have all but gone for 08.

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    ncig, I think Karves suggestion of the 36 Floats could be good. I believe they are smoother than the Talas version? You can have them set to any travel at time of purchase. Also, Magura are bringing out a new twin arch 20mm bolt-through at around 4lbs. Might be worth checking out.

    With regard to light enduro wheel sets have you considered DT EX1750 or Stans (see Freeborns web site)?

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    Guy's I have a float 36 right know. I love fork but i want adjustable travel to match frame. I didn't know about the Magura new fork will check that out. I will run the I9 enduro will be light and durable. I really want to see if i can get bike in the 28 pound range . You guy's have been great with all of your suggestions keep them coming i need all the help i can get!

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    The new Magura fork will be called "Thor" and has 100-140mm travel (adjustable with lever from handlebar), including features like the "Albert Select System", Maxle360 or Magura own thru-axle (= MAGURA 60less), which is 60gr lighter, than the Maxle and 32mm stanchions. Weight is w/o the levers for travel and damping-system and w/o Maxle360 (+150gr) Magura60less (+90gr) 1785gr. Axle2crown length is 520mm.


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    Hi Testmaen, thanks for the Magura info. Looks interesting. I might consider it for my new CC build? Have there been any test reports in Gemany yet?

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    I have no doubt the Helius AM is going to the shizzle in bikes.....

    Very fine line between bikes it seems....

    Possible build weights:

    Helius CC -- 25 - 27 lbs
    Helius AM -- 28 - 30 lbs
    Helius FR -- 31 - 34 lbs
    Helius ST -- 33 - 37 lbs

    Some real close cross overs...... The AM will be a hit for sure I think....
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    No, unfortunately not. The "Thor" is a brand-new fork in their line-up for 2009, so they have yet to be deliverd. There has been a Magura press-camp recently, where they showed all their new gear for 09, including a new Martha and a new rear-shock, so I guess those parts will work their way through the mag's the next few weeks/months for tests etc.

    A few pictures can be seen here: http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=346115

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    I heard that Ti Spring is no longer available in CCDB travel under 240mm, is that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HostilityLin
    I heard that Ti Spring is no longer available in CCDB travel under 240mm, is that true?
    Am not sure on that, you could be right. In my opinion though with the fact many companies relatively speaking make Ti springs, am sure there will be models available for CCDB shocks with less than 240mm travel...

    Anymore insight as to where you heard this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Am not sure on that, you could be right. In my opinion though with the fact many companies relatively speaking make Ti springs, am sure there will be models available for CCDB shocks with less than 240mm travel...

    Anymore insight as to where you heard this...
    I wanna buy a Helius AM,
    so I ask my dealer some questions, this is one of it.

    They said that Ti springs for travel under 240mm are hard to adjust preload,
    and for weight saving, Steel and Titanium spring under 240mm weights almost the same.

    But that only means you can't get *original* Ti spring,
    doesn't mean you can't load a Ti spring on your CCDB.

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    Cane Creek use a different int. dia / ext. dia than other shock manufacturers for their springs.

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    getting you're AM under 30lb with a coil will be a challange. I just received mine and weighed it on a digital bike scale. It's a medium frame with CCDB and maxle rear. it's 4070g or 8.97lb.

    Can't remember what the FR was but I'm sure it was a good 2lb heavier if I remember right(large frame).

    Suits me fine as i was aiming for @ 32lb anyway. My FR was more like 35lb

    have to say the new HT gusset and the TT>ST plates are very well finished. looks much classier than the FR. the 2 plates now have an internal weld as well as an external one. Not quite so sure about the bolted cable guides but sure they'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper

    Can't remember what the FR was but I'm sure it was a good 2lb heavier if I remember right(large frame).

    Suits me fine as i was aiming for @ 32lb anyway. My FR was more like 35lb
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    my Small/ Med was 4145g including shock.. no paint which trims a couple hundred g's plus smaller size.. I imagine 4400 inc shock for a large is about right

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    I just received mine
    pics pics pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karve
    pics pics pics!
    YEAH YEAH YEAH !!!

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    UNCOOL, 2hrs since posting ... and no additional pics submitted ... what should I now dream about ???

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    Guys i solved my fork problem going to lower the travel on a 36 float rc2 which will solve the problem.Dipper i should be able to get it under 30. Not using the maxle rearend and not painted will go a long way. I am wondering about the cable routing is it better then the fr?

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    dipper - Not good form, you weighed the frame, yet didnt take pictures...

    I think a new thread should be started with pictures and close ups of the changes you mention in the head gusset etc...
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    dipper's pictures coming soon ! when i get them hosted ;-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    dipper's pictures coming soon ! when i get them hosted ;-0
    So is Christmas............................
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