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    Helius AM 29er ?????

    I feel a Helius AM 29er coming on strong

    End goal, a 29er machine capable of all that my FR gets handed.......

    Its the DAM colour of the frame that is the hardest part to decide..... I have some sick schemes in my head too..... Mmmmm

    Thank you Karl and Nicolai in advance, everything starts with a thought!
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    Are you really that much into 29:ers? I have owned one, didn't like it. Sold it half a year later.

    It just never felt as snappy as a 26in bike. Worst was toe overlap though, I ride flats and ride kind of mid foot so when turning the front tyre hit my shoe

    Pros: theoretically rolls over things better.
    Cons: Weaker wheels, toe-overlap, not as playful, need longer wheelbase, higher bar height etc.

    For a XC-bike I can see it working okay but are you sure about replacing your FR with a 29:er?

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    Is it already in the works ?

    p.s. Although the earthquakte already happened some days ago and mainly (that's what's been reported here) hit the south-island, I hope you and your family are ok, and also "your" farms !

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    Your a little ahead of the times Whafe. No doubt an interesting project, but certainly not one I wish to emulate.

    What forks are you planning on using?

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    re: colour.
    Thats a damn tricky one. For me its still raw, but going by the offerings at interbike this year, it's soon to be the new white....

    Failing that, I still love the classic red and Black.

    How about raw with gold ano parts? Super bling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikael_nr1
    Are you really that much into 29:ers? I have owned one, didn't like it. Sold it half a year later.

    It just never felt as snappy as a 26in bike. Worst was toe overlap though, I ride flats and ride kind of mid foot so when turning the front tyre hit my shoe

    Pros: theoretically rolls over things better.
    Cons: Weaker wheels, toe-overlap, not as playful, need longer wheelbase, higher bar height etc.

    For a XC-bike I can see it working okay but are you sure about replacing your FR with a 29:er?
    Yep, really am that much into 29er's.

    For me the pro's far out weigh the con's.... For me the weaker wheel scenario is in the past, wheels have vastly improved.... Dont agree with toe overlap issues....

    Am I sure about replacing my FR, for me am keen to push the boundaries if that makes sense. It may not be as good, but I believe it could be and that means I have to push it and see....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    Is it already in the works ?

    p.s. Although the earthquakte already happened some days ago and mainly (that's what's been reported here) hit the south-island, I hope you and your family are ok, and also "your" farms !
    Yep, lets say it is in the works, working through the first drawings as we speak.... Going to be finding that balance of CS length, HA, SA and FORK

    Testy, thanks for your kind thoughts on the earthquake, she was a ripper for sure, has caused a load of damage as am sure has been reported, it will be years and years before all is back to what I guess is defined as normal....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Your a little ahead of the times Whafe. No doubt an interesting project, but certainly not one I wish to emulate.

    What forks are you planning on using?
    Not sure if ahead of the times is correct, could be deemed as dumb

    I have to do this though, the AC 29er has been an absolutely awesome bike, and of course still is... If I could only have one bike, it would be the AC 29er out of my bikes at present....

    I still love what I can ride and do on the FR, so I wish to, well lets say try to get to this type of capability with a 29er.....

    The weakness at this point is for sure forks... This is a pain for sure.... I am wanting to build it to suit a 150 - 160mm fork, but fully realise that at this point, reality is kind of that 140mm is where it is at today.. But change is constant, really feel there is some forks in the wind....

    I of course have looked into the possibility of the Dorado fork, but really dont think it could be used like say a Lyric or Talas, for sure more DH, but this is not what I am trying to work towards.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    re: colour.
    Thats a damn tricky one. For me its still raw, but going by the offerings at interbike this year, it's soon to be the new white....

    Failing that, I still love the classic red and Black.

    How about raw with gold ano parts? Super bling!
    Done the full raw thing, yummy for sure.... Have some other thoughts, but the colour will not be shared until unveiling

    Agree though, black and red is still the billies, awesome colours.... Gold is not for me.....

    Am totally into black components and the only real colour in the frame and linkages etc....
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    oh dear - lets hope the wagon wheels alleviate the pedal strike.

    one step too far this time whafemeister methinks...................?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    oh dear - lets hope the wagon wheels alleviate the pedal strike.

    one step too far this time whafemeister methinks...................?
    Gotta love you for telling it how it is...

    Now dont want to have this thread derailed on pedal strike, but truly feel that you are in the minority in regards to pedal strike, I dont suffer it at all, but perhaps I am not railing corners to your level, but am perplexed by the pedal strike you suffer...

    In regards to one step to far, you could well be right TLR, however we will not know unless I try.... And try I will...... Am certain many will think I am nuts, but that is nothing unusual, have been called far worse
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    not sure what you'll achieve over and above the AC 29er.

    I suspect the AC is already a stronger frame than most compatible forks currently on the market. other than slackening it out a fraction and maybe beefing it up here and there(AM tubing will do that obviously) you'll still be restricted in rear travel and fork travel/strength. trying to build in some decent AM like travel could result in some real comedy proportions no?

    Assuming 150/160mm 29er forks do appear you're going to be looking at a seriously jacked front end. i suppose flat bars and 1.5HT running 1 1/8th forks and flush headset would help.

    Still, I say go for it. Should be interesting to see if it's possible to make it work
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    not sure what you'll achieve over and above the AC 29er.
    You may well have a point, I am not looking for the travel of a DH bike, I want something strong, that if I want to do a large jump, I can.. Dont want to worry about snapping a frame.... Which is why am looking to an AM frame.....

    It is for sure going to be difficult to keep a shortish CS, more travel and a full seat post tube.....
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    First drawings from Nicolai are in my hot hands, have to say, first draft version looks very good, all you haters may have to eat humble pie

    Few adjustments and be good to go.......

    YEAH HA
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    hows it look? whats the HA? rear travel? BB height?

    and what a>c fork are you planning it round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    hows it look? whats the HA? rear travel? BB height?

    and what a>c fork are you planning it round?
    Travel = 142.4mm rear travel
    HA = 69 deg
    BB = 430 mm
    A - C = working on 546mm (140mm Reba) Want to check out the A-C on the Marz 44 140mm....

    Another thought I had was to see if some Fox internals could fit in the chasis of a White Brothers 150mm, long shot....
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    Whafe,Why dont you have an AC 29 with heavier tubes,Are you having an adjustable travel rear end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Whafe,Why dont you have an AC 29 with heavier tubes,Are you having an adjustable travel rear end?
    Yep, will be an adjustable rear end....

    upper hole: 142,39mm
    2nd. hole: 130,39mm
    3rd. hole: 120,85mm
    4th. hole: 112,99mm

    For sure want to run a more AM type. Am also looking at possibly running a AFR rear on it, which would enable the chainstays to be shorter, and move the seat tube further forward... Am still working this one through with Nicolai...
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    Hmm Whafe,I am confused,Its not really an AM,i was thinking it was going to be 160mm+ travel frame,Not a custom AC 29ER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Hmm Whafe,I am confused,Its not really an AM,i was thinking it was going to be 160mm+ travel frame,Not a custom AC 29ER.
    I am not totally worried about the travel, yes would love 6 inches of travel, but we have the issue with the seat tube and the chainstays getting to long......

    It is a work in progress, this was never going to be easy..... Am in for the challange....
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    Wow...29er hate on the Nicolai forum is strong!

    Whafe...don't sweat it, a 140mm 29er will kill it with the right geometry! It's true the forks are lagging a bit...maybe go 1.5" with the HT & use an angleset to get the right HTA with a 140mm fork until the new 150mm/ 36mm stanchioned fork is released


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Wow...29er hate on the Nicolai forum is strong!

    Whafe...don't sweat it, a 140mm 29er will kill it with the right geometry! It's true the forks are lagging a bit...maybe go 1.5" with the HT & use an angleset to get the right HTA with a 140mm fork until the new 150mm/ 36mm stanchioned fork is released
    Haha, JNC, you have read my mind, that is what is on order, a 1.5HT and a Cane Creek Angle Set, of which will give me options when the forks come out in the near future....

    I would like to try the Marz 44, but am not keen on the 15mm axle, I have just had my 120mm Reba serviced and re built, feels great, just hope the 140 mm Reba is as good.... A coil 140mm would be the business though......

    Oh yes the hate is strong, they are yet to come around, they will, they always do
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Wow...29er hate on the Nicolai forum is strong!

    Whafe...don't sweat it, a 140mm 29er will kill it with the right geometry! It's true the forks are lagging a bit...maybe go 1.5" with the HT & use an angleset to get the right HTA with a 140mm fork until the new 150mm/ 36mm stanchioned fork is released
    I wouldn't say "Hate" as much as I'd say "Clue-less" Come on guys if not for Whafe this place would be dead, He knows more about bikes than 80% the guys here ( if your not part of this 80% don't sweat it, and if you are,ask me if I give a fu@k) Like he said the # 1 bike in his stable is his AC-29er..HELLO..... .I get the whole 29er thing and I STILL get amped up when I read this from Whafe....Look very much forward to seeing this project Whafe.....CF.

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    I wouldnt say 'hate' or 'clueless'(although there's some truth to that). it's more pisstaking than anything.

    we'd probably all like to try it but for whatever reason 29ers just havnt takin off over here. I own a bike shop(albiet a small, specialist one) and I've never been asked for a 29er. Not once. why? i dunno.

    It's great that whafes doing what he's doing. i doubt if there's any of us that dont like to see this sort of enthusiasm and boundary pushing. Doesnt mean we cant take the piss though
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    the AFR idea sounds like an excellent plan if you can keep it reasonably light. it'll keep the c/stays short, maybe give a bit more travel and allow you to get the saddle well out the way on descents. Current limitation will still be the fork however.
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