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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Edwards
    As i read it, its a DH bike that you can pedal to the top, which is exactly the kind of thing that right for stuff like the Mega which is basically a DH race with a few climbs thrown in to sort the men from the boys


    The headangle is not too far out for alpine trails - bit on the steep side if anything, and again a low BB is good for stability, especially when you don't have to do much pedalling (just let go of the brakes isntead)

    Basically it's not a UK-spec bike. Its something for proper big hills where you can get a chairlift most of the way, but you still need to be able to do some climbing to get to the really good stuff.

    this i definitely agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    So reading into it, it is closer to an ST than it is to an FR it seems.....

    I find it odd that the German forum states that it is likely that most will run a front der, they should run a HS setup....

    certainly seems as though the AFR's taking on from the ST and the AM is seeming to cross-over into FR territory.

    the AM and FR ridden back to back have very little to distinguish them otherwise.
    the AM indeed does turn in nicer whereas the FR has a more stable DH'ing platform, but it's marginal, TBH.

    therefore it's natural that Nicolai will take the AFR further into DH territory considering the ST is to be no more.....

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    Now that i like.

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    I am still not a fan of the stubbly little c o c k thingy that you hang a der off of.... But she looks yummy apart from that....

    Get rid of that entirely, only have the option to run a HS or a single front ring....
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    Apart from the lil dick bit with the seat tube moved forward and the beefier chain stays , it looks exactly like an AM !!!

    As its meant to be the FR and ST bashed in one , and everyone saying its moving away from the FR closer to a DH bike , that one in the pic certainly doesnt look like it to me.

    Bloody nice bike anyhow and i know its not finalised yet , it could be beefed up with different gussets and all that still.
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    testy - thanks for the pic..........anymore ?
    does the seat tube taper into the BB or is it constant diameter all the way down ?

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    and i now agree with ozzy - it's hardly a FR / DH machine based on those pics

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    what's the shock stroke and i2i ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    testy - thanks for the pic..........anymore ?
    does the seat tube taper into the BB or is it constant diameter all the way down ?
    Not for now. Copied them from another forum.

    Following the "Nicolai code" it should be a constant diameter, but I don't know for certain.

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    It could also possibly be decieving that its on a bike stand therefore giving a false view on the angles , the seatpost looks very steep giving the bike a laid back DH look , will definately be a sensational bike no doubt.

    Maybe they are tying to cut down on all the little bits of gusset and shock mounts because definately i already own 90% of that front end on my AM , and the back end including the lil cock looks like the ST , so the awesome FR frame looks to be deleted completely without trace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    Check it out !!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx
    so the awesome FR frame looks to be deleted completely without trace
    Steady on ozzy, dont dis the FR.....
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    ... on the German forum, I interpreted some comment to mean that "there's still place for FR and ST too" ...

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    perty - does that mean the FR remains ?
    WOW - How many models can one Helius Range support

    i like the look of the AFR now were seing pictures of it - a real trail devastator... i just don't like the dog's c0ck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Steady on ozzy, dont dis the FR.....
    Whafe for once i was being absolutely sincere . If that pic above is the FR/ST replacment , its got ST features + AM features.

    I was actually saying "awesome FR" with sincerity
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    All good Ozzy, just winding you up...

    Interesting to read perti that there is a place for both... Mmm have an email directly from Karl stating that the FR as we know it will go, to be replaced so to speak by a se xual concoction of mating an FR & ST.... LOL....
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    the dog's c0ck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    All good Ozzy, just winding you up...

    Interesting to read perti that there is a place for both... Mmm have an email directly from Karl stating that the FR as we know it will go, to be replaced so to speak by a se xual concoction of mating an FR & ST.... LOL....
    All good !

    Well if the pic of the AFR is true and the mating of the FR & ST .... Mr FR better do a paternity , coz Mrs ST has been rooting Mr AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx
    All good !

    Well if the pic of the AFR is true and the mating of the FR & ST .... Mr FR better do a paternity , coz Mrs ST has been rooting Mr AM
    Yes could well be right, seems to be a bit of 3 way action perhaps......
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    le Nicolai Menage a' Trois

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    le Nicolai Menage a' Trois
    Yeah baby.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    perty - does that mean the FR remains ?
    Falco sagt (01 July):
    "(...) Auch können wir Euch versichern, dass wir uns bei der Konzeption neuer Nicolai Modelle nicht von Kastrationszangen inspirieren lassen.

    Das Helius FR wird als Bikepark-taugliches Hardcore Enduro auch weiterhin seine Berechtigung haben, ebenso das ST als unzerstörbarer Extrem-Freerider jenseits der 200 mm Marke."

    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showpos...3&postcount=81

    It is a bit vague but gives me the impression that they are not cutting down the lineup, and keeping FR and ST is still justified.

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    The first sentence refers to another German brand, so nothing AFR, FR or ST specifically.

    Your impression is right. Respectively the translation is correct. The funny thing now, is, that Whafe got from Karl directly the info, that the FR will go .. eventually.

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    Oh, "Kastrationszangen" is Liteville? I thought it was some idiom for cutting down... well it is, but not the way I thought.

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    Yeah, "Kastrationszangen" is an idom for the rather "unconventional" shock mounting on the Liteville 301 and that you better not drop your b.lls on there, while riding .. otherwise they might be gone for good.

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    i'm gathering from the German thread that expectation is the AFR will take over from the FR but be more ST orientated and less trail capable than the FR was, due to the AM's excellent trail credentials.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    you better not drop your b.lls on there, while riding .. otherwise they might be gone for good.
    I don't see how you could get them there, really, but I guess the mere idea of the possibility might put some off....

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    I don't know either, but the permanent comparisons off the 301 and the new 901 with some of the Nicolai models seem to have hit a nerve ...

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    I think it looks great, as for all the cock comments - i thought the totem leg looked more like one but thats just me......
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    Well yes the bulge in the Totem does look cock like, but the cock thing majingy on the AFR still looks more twigs n berries...
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    I actually think the dogs dicky looks ok to tell you the truth looking very endorphin like without the bent tubes and 4point linkage.

    It will be an awesome bike at the end of the day
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    The source indicates, that it's the final version.




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    that will be an absolute FR / DH weapon.
    bloody disgusting colour however !

    great pics testy - any more available ?

    they look very much like nicolai catalogue shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    they look very much like nicolai catalogue shots
    They do ?

    Well, the colour isn't my cup of tea either, but I like it, that they show whats possible within their colour range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Testmaen
    They do ?

    Well, the colour isn't my cup of tea either, but I like it, that they show whats possible within their colour range.
    i totally agree !

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    Looks like a bad ass weapon to me..... Colours are really loud, but dam effective.....

    As normal, the colour of a Nicolai is the hardest thing to choose when ordering a frame.....
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    Its all about the angles for me - do we have a final view on where they are at?

    Shame its lost the industrial look that originally attracted me to the brand... love the big gussets and holes from a looks perspective.

    Has the potential to be a superb Alps lite UK specific machine however.

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    Actually we do have a view on that

    I think too, that the FR-HT-gusset would look better, but I'm sure if you want one, they make it happen.

    The recommened fork-travel is obviously a typo, but apart from that, the data looks accurate.



    pdf-file ist here: http://www.nicolai.net/manuals/tech_...ius_AFR_10.pdf
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    Cool - that head angle 66.8 is deffo on the steep side for a bike with 197mm of travel

    Something like the vtach runs a range of - 65.5 to 67.5, the SX trail can run 66 and the uzi which is possibly where this is aimed runs 66 to 67.5.

    Also the frame its replacing the ST has a 65!

    I was running 64 and 65 on my DH bike in the alps and it really helps on the steep stuff.

    I see its labeled in the icon in the top right corner AM, where the current FR is labelled FR AM and the ST is labelled FR DH - weird

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    LOL @ the mis-information once again from the German's

    140-160mm travel fork


    Or possibly, that's right ????????????????????????

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    phaps they measured the HA with a 140 to 160 fork on it - remember that tech doc a while back which caused mad confusion.. I wonder if this came out of the same department!

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    LOL @ Karve - Exactly my point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    then again, surely they've sacked the 'apprentice' for such a glaring run of errors ??????

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    i think they just took the helius am techsheet as a template.
    the drawings arent correct either.

    since they havent released that officially, i dont see a problem.

    I'll order one... with FR/ST Gussets yay!

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    Well not at all cool if infact there are these glaring mistakes with the Geo's etc......

    But I tend to agree with Karve that I really liked the industrial bad ass look..... Getting more mainstream it seems.... Good or bad? not sure for me.... Change is a good thing though....
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    140 mm fork and 197 mm rear. Njaaah I'm skipping that, must be an error.

    Bike looks badass. Megaavalance killer I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks

    bloody disgusting colour however !
    I reckon i could work with that colour scheme
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    I also wonder why they have positioned the shock where it is... its like the old 2006 FR

    Having the rocker further way from the seat tube means surely..

    More flex as those seat stays connecting the rear wheel will be that much longer
    Higher center of gravity as the 700g shock is further up the top tube
    More weight as the stays are longer?
    It doesn't looks as tidy and tight (my view)

    The above reasons were given at the time as why moving the rocker tight against the seat tube was beneficial with the last incarnation of the FR/ST so this seems to be backtracking on this.

    Im sure Karl has a good reason for this but im not sure i can see one... having the rocker against the seat tube like the ION ST and FR seems better?

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