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    FAO All Helius FR Owners (Karve/007 especially!)

    Hey guys,

    I know you both have similar tailored frames to me with small seattube, medium top tube etc.

    Have you tested full compression of your shock 57mm stroke in the bottom hole?

    Mine has NO tyre/seattube clearance!!!!

    I've sent an email to Nicolai Germany and Nicolai UK but no response as yet!

    Any infoz appreciated!

    I'm going riding this weekend on the bike and if Nicolai dont get back to me i hold them 100% responsible for any damage caused and will expect it repaired under warranty.

    Cheers

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    I know, that's the only problem. Max you can have a 2,35 but still it will lick a bit the seat tube. it's no big deal if you put some tape on ur seat tube.

    I usually run a Michelin DH24 in 2.2. It's heavy duty and it doesn't touch the seat tube at all.

    If you want to be able to run a 2,5 for exemple, you would need to ask for a longer chain stay, so this way it would pass easilly.

    I wanted really short chainstay, 428, so I knew I wouldn't be able to fit big tires...

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    Thanks for the reply 007,

    Hmm, just no one told me this and it states on the data sheet 2.6" tyres are usable.

    Have you actually tested yours? and do you run a 57mm stroke shock?
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    Specs

    Acording to my drawing the chainstays are 433 which is 5mm longer than yours so in theory your clearance is worse?
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    ya, I ride on 57mm stroke and your right, my tire clearence is even worse than yours.

    But it does pass with no problem with a Michelin DH24 in 2.2

    That's the only real tire that can fit and still be a sturdy tire.

    Might want to check out the Maxxis in 2.35. I used them too. It's touching a bit, but no big deal.

    This way I have a brake while bottoming ! I've check on videos, it's touching only if you bottom out and for a 10th of a sec, and a tire is soft, it's not like if it was a piece of metal.

    as long as you protect ur tube, it's ok. I'll try to take picture of the traces I have on my frame, it's very small.

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    This one is the same as your's just size medium with head angle at 66.5°

    and the tire let just a little black trace with maxxis 2.35.



    I know it before my order and it's really not a problem during your ride, you never feel something even in maximum compression.

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    not sure i understand running a Freeride bike on what's now commonly an XC tyre size at 2.35" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    not sure i understand running a Freeride bike on what's now commonly an XC tyre size at 2.35" ?
    Do you mean that 2.35" is a XC tire?

    I'am not sure to understand so freeride bike use commonly 2.5" and there is no difference with clearance regarding a 2.35" because 2.5" is more wide but not high.

    So equipement on dereck bike is more like an big enduro bike and not freeride bike, it's the reason that 2.35" is more usefull for enduro.

    for an freeride use, a coil spring shock is needed.

    (i'am french so excuse my english)

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    cyril - you are mis-informed :
    a 2.5" tyre is not only wider but also taller than the equivalent 2.35" tyre.

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    I agree with Cyril, I know people mostly think "Helius FR" big tires.... that's wrong.
    Before the AM, the FR was design as a big enduro frame. Try to pedal with a 2.5 on the rear. You won't go far and you can forget to race.

    From there, they decided to shorten the seatstay and minimize the tire clearence.

    It's a choice, some people might not like it. Here in France, the FR is one of the most sold bike of the Nicolai range and nobody made noise about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    cyril - you are mis-informed :
    a 2.5" tyre is not only wider but also taller than the equivalent 2.35" tyre.
    I'm agree with you and i know that but it depends a lot of the rim dimension and with a wide rim the differnce is very little and not significant to make a problem on FR.

    I use it with 2.5" maxxis without any problem.

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    Cyril, on dit I agree, pas de 'm
    mais je suis d'accord, y a pas bcp de différence entre un 2.35 et un 2.5

    qu'ils essayent de faire une Enduro Series avec un 2.5 à l'arrière !
    in english: try to race any enduro race in France with a 2.5 tire !!! sure not to make the podium !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0007
    Cyril, on dit I agree, pas de 'm
    mais je suis d'accord, y a pas bcp de différence entre un 2.35 et un 2.5

    qu'ils essayent de faire une Enduro Series avec un 2.5 à l'arrière !
    in english: try to race any enduro race in France with a 2.5 tire !!! sure not to make the podium !
    Thank' seven for your english lesson

    so about tires I prefer to ride with a high roller 2.35DH instead of a schwable big betty (or other) in 2.5, if some one is sceptic i propose to make a test at the MEGAVALANCHE of alp'huez it's a perfect program for an helius FR. (i'm already register for 2009 race )

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekr
    Hey guys,

    I know you both have similar tailored frames to me with small seattube, medium top tube etc.

    Have you tested full compression of your shock 57mm stroke in the bottom hole?

    Mine has NO tyre/seattube clearance!!!!

    I've sent an email to Nicolai Germany and Nicolai UK but no response as yet!

    Any infoz appreciated!

    I'm going riding this weekend on the bike and if Nicolai dont get back to me i hold them 100% responsible for any damage caused and will expect it repaired under warranty.

    Cheers

    Derek
    so, let me get this straight, you didn't buy a bike that had been developed by those experts at Nicolai,
    you chose to come up with your own design (after all how hard could it be?) and surprisingly it don't work!
    there's another post on here and you seem chuffed to bits we your bike?.
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    You can’t go blaming Nicolai for your inability to design a bike... if they had designed it, and it hadn't worked then you could slag them off.... <O></O>
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    It is a good point, however he didn't design the bike, he evolved it, in my eyes it's still nicolais job to ensure that even though the angles have changed, there is still enough clearence for the rear wheel under full compression with a large tire. Or at least inform derkr about the issue so he can make an informed decision, so he can choose between a large tire, or a short chainstay. After all nicolai are the specialists

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    don't be so rude funkmonkey3!!!

    all FR have no clearance between tire and seat tube, it's design to keep a good pedaling
    position (it mean seat tube angle not to much tilt) and shorter chain stays as it's possible to have agility and good pedaling response.
    Then it's the main quality of the FR plus a very good supension to keep grip.

    His frame have no problem, the only one problem is that he is not inform before ordering his frame.

    so it's a very nice bike with good components.

    my recommandation for him is :
    give up this forum!!! it's never too late to go for a ride ;-) and anjoy youself!!!

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    so, let me get this straight, you didn't buy a bike that had been developed by those experts at Nicolai,
    you chose to come up with your own design (after all how hard could it be?) and surprisingly it don't work!
    there's another post on here and you seem chuffed to bits we your bike?.
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    You can’t go blaming Nicolai for your inability to design a bike... if they had designed it, and it hadn't worked then you could slag them off.... >>
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    These comments are not only irrelevant, but negative and unhelpful. Perhaps these they should be directed to a more suitable forum for unhelpful people.

    Derek, any response yet?

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    Derek, i understand that you order a tailor frame, them the modification is only top tube lenght in fact seat tube S and top tube M, you do not make change on chain stays.

    I have four friends with helius FR and for all there is no clearance between seat tube and tire in maximum compression, it's normal with this frame put a transparent tape on seat tube and ride like this there is no problem with your frame.

    so Nicolaï recommande to use spring shock on FR then with spring Shock you have the same situation but it's more difficult to make the test because when you remove spring the bumper limite the maximum compression for the test.

    I thing that the answer of Nicolaï is that it's normal with an helius FR.

    If you ride it for the first time this weekend do you send us first report of your ride?
    if i can recomand a setting for you, set the rebound of the RP23 as fast as you can because the ajustement of pivot points slow down the fonction of linkage, then begin like this and slow down rebound if it's necessery.

    then if you want to slow down the compression activate the pro pedal in position 1 you can make downhill like this without damage, as i said upper the frame is design for spring shock and when you use air spring it's to much linear and maximum compression is obtain easily.
    I ride it with a DHX air and I must close alf the propedal to obtain a good reaction, then with the RP23 the reaction is better than DHX air, then the Monarch work good.

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    Only Just noticed this thread so sorry for the slow response

    I have a medium front and small rear frame - no changes to geo though - never any issues with tyre clearance... mine is polished so the tubes are probably a few mill in diameter smaller but should not be that much of an difference. I also have helicopter tape on the seat tube by the tyre which adds that thickness back on.

    Tyres i have run include

    2.5 Maxxis Minion
    2.4 Schwalbe Fat Albert
    2.4 continental Mountain kings

    Few questions

    Shouldn't you run the air shock in the top hole mate?
    If so do you have the same issue there?
    Is there an issue with the stroke length on your shock?
    What were the list of modifications that you asked for on the frame geo?

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    Sorry my trespassing this topic......

    Hey Cyril:
    I`m newbie FR owner, and i use Continental MK 2.4 UST tire and mavic 823 USt rim. Don`t know nothing about these clearance problems....
    Another tire option is Shwalbe fat albert 2.25 UST. Shock i use is fox van r --> 200mm X 57mm stroke (or fox float 200 X 57).
    So do i have to worry about those above? The frame is size XL and 09

    Derek: Hope you get response, keep posting results with us. Ride on mate
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    Nice to see you on the German forum

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    @ karve, if the shock is 200 by 50mm then it should be run in the top hole, if it is 200mm by 57mm it should be run in the bottom. if it is a 50mm stroke shock and you are running it in the bottomyou would be getting less travel then 167 so i hope that its a 57mm shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianpinder
    @ karve, if the shock is 200 by 50mm then it should be run in the top hole, if it is 200mm by 57mm it should be run in the bottom. if it is a 50mm stroke shock and you are running it in the bottomyou would be getting less travel then 167 so i hope that its a 57mm shock.
    a little precission about travel ration of the FR you can run 200x57 on both holes see the table
    Helius_FR_travelratio_09.pdf

    if you use 200x57 you have less 137 and 155mm instead of 155 and 172mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiipee
    Sorry my trespassing this topic......

    Hey Cyril:
    I`m newbie FR owner, and i use Continental MK 2.4 UST tire and mavic 823 USt rim. Don`t know nothing about these clearance problems....
    Another tire option is Shwalbe fat albert 2.25 UST. Shock i use is fox van r --> 200mm X 57mm stroke (or fox float 200 X 57).
    So do i have to worry about those above? The frame is size XL and 09

    Derek: Hope you get response, keep posting results with us. Ride on mate
    I think it's the same case, you can verify it but it's not a problem the bike run perfectly like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril_88
    a little precission about travel ration of the FR you can run 200x57 on both holes see the table
    Helius_FR_travelratio_09.pdf

    if you use 200x57 you have less 137 and 155mm instead of 155 and 172mm
    No you can't. That document was an amateurish f-up by Nicolai.

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    That's a lot of tire at full compression. I guess bump up the preload and deal with small bump harshness.

    And yeah, they should have known better. They have bikes built up, and would likely be able to predict that a tire is going to hit the seattube, provided they were watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozzz
    No you can't. That document was an amateurish f-up by Nicolai.



    OK but this one come from nicolaï website http://www.nicolai.net/manuals/tech_...lius_FR_09.pdf

    and travel information are the same, who's wrong?

    I try my self on my Helius FR and it' righ! I use a DHXair on both hole witout any problem so if you don't beleve me look at link page of helius FR on nicolaî website the picture with the DHX air is set on top hole http://www.nicolai.net/products/e-fr...helius-fr.html

    Sorry but your wrong I know that because I use mine like this.

    Please read the tech sheet correctly i'm french and i can understand it, so i think it's not a problem for you

    and if you are an Helius FR owner and if you know your bike you will find a mistake, so try to find it

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril_88



    OK but this one come from nicolaï website http://www.nicolai.net/manuals/tech_...lius_FR_09.pdf

    and travel information are the same, who's wrong?

    I try my self on my Helius FR and it' righ! I use a DHXair on both hole witout any problem so if you don't beleve me look at link page of helius FR on nicolaî website the picture with the DHX air is set on top hole http://www.nicolai.net/products/e-fr...helius-fr.html

    Sorry but your wrong I know that because I use mine like this.

    Please read the tech sheet correctly i'm french and i can understand it, so i think it's not a problem for you

    and if you are an Helius FR owner and if you know your bike you will find a mistake, so try to find it
    Mate, come off your high horse. Falco and Karl both apologized for the mistake in the travel ratio document (confirming that the FR has 167mm of measured travel and that a 57mm stroke shock should only be used in the bottom hole), and they probably forgot to remove it from the one you quote. Check the other thread about Helius FR travel if you want to know more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril_88
    a little precission about travel ration of the FR you can run 200x57 on both holes see the table
    Helius_FR_travelratio_09.pdf

    if you use 200x57 you have less 137 and 155mm instead of 155 and 172mm
    No it doesnt, it gives you more, using 50mm stroke gives you less, using 57mm stroke gives you more

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    OK Boozzz, no problemo, my horses are quiet ;-)
    so the question is the same and you can use both all for your shock and if you want 167mm you must use top hole with 200x57mm shock, if you use bottom, travel is about 150mm.

    Then there is no clearance between seat tube and tire it's a fact and it makes no problem during your ride, just protect your seat tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril_88


    OK but this one come from nicolaï website http://www.nicolai.net/manuals/tech_...lius_FR_09.pdf

    and travel information are the same, who's wrong?

    I try my self on my Helius FR and it' righ! I use a DHXair on both hole witout any problem so if you don't beleve me look at link page of helius FR on nicolaî website the picture with the DHX air is set on top hole http://www.nicolai.net/products/e-fr...helius-fr.html

    Sorry but your wrong I know that because I use mine like this.

    Please read the tech sheet correctly i'm french and i can understand it, so i think it's not a problem for you

    and if you are an Helius FR owner and if you know your bike you will find a mistake, so try to find it
    Ignore all the 2009 documentation... its total junk. The current tech doc is 100% wrong If anyone can find a link to a 2008 that will be correct. It seems that Nicolai havent gotten round to changing it which is very worrying seeing as it was this forum which raised the issue 2 months ago.

    Helius fr travel

    kinda ties into this thread

    Nicolai manufacturer support is thin......

    The Fr has stamped on its chainstay clearance for 2.6 inch tyres and if anyone is not getting that level of clearance i would be kicking up a big fuss. Tyre contact is not in any way acceptable.

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    OK JC , hit us with your "fabrication company" crap again . I think derek wants to hear why his expensive + wait frame doesnt work the way that it should . IMO if they dont know they way frames are going to perform , stick to the bread and butter - machining nuts and bolts .

    BTW i have no issues , and my bike is bloody awesome , but im fed up with these wanna-bees chirping in on issues that has'nt cost them $4000 !!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karve
    Tyre contact is not in any way acceptable.
    Ok Karve i understand, then return it to germany it's the only way you have now

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx
    OK JC , hit us with your "fabrication company" crap again . I think derek wants to hear why his expensive + wait frame doesnt work the way that it should . IMO if they dont know they way frames are going to perform , stick to the bread and butter - machining nuts and bolts .

    BTW i have no issues , and my bike is bloody awesome , but im fed up with these wanna-bees chirping in on issues that has'nt cost them $4000 !!!!!
    Why are you and 0007 so upset about others getting their minds out? It's not going to hurt you and just about everyone is trying to figure something out, whether it be airing frustration due to unmet expectations, or others rationalizing it, right or wrongly. Leave it be because it's eerily starting to resemble the ellsworth forum when you and 00007 chime in.

    And what's the big deal? I can't chime in how I think it sucks to have a tire hit a seat tube? I'm pretty sure this thread and others will help people get to the bottom of it, but as history has shown on the EW side of things, the heartbroken children with brand loyalty only make things worse. Jeez, nobody said they weren't great bikes. There is a problem with PARTICULAR bikes that were made and how they get resolved will be seen in the future.

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    Yet again JC gets the WTF with his post !

    Do you even own a bike ?

    Yet again you are WRONG ....I have never been on the Ellsworth forum EVER.

    I have NO FRUSTRATIONS ... apart from clowns like YOU playing god on something you have no control over .

    Personally i think your comments are SH1T and listening to you crap infuriates me. P1SS of somewhere else !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx
    Yet again JC gets the WTF with his post !

    Do you even own a bike ?

    Yet again you are WRONG ....I have never been on the Ellsworth forum EVER.

    I have NO FRUSTRATIONS ... apart from clowns like YOU playing god on something you have no control over .

    Personally i think your comments are SH1T and listening to you crap infuriates me. P1SS of somewhere else !
    Sadly, I don't.

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    Well im thinking with 14,700 posts you should either know i frequent the Ellsworth forum or you own a Nicolai ????
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    I actually never said that. Please reread.

    Anyhow, none of this is helping those with questions. I'll go back to the topic, you can yell some more and I won't say much, if at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken

    Leave it be because it's eerily starting to resemble the ellsworth forum when you and 00007 chime in.

    ok , didnt say ?

    Most people here have spent a lot of cash on a Nicolai built bike , a few have bought custom built bikes ..... and they arn't right either . We dont need Nicolai support from an outsider who carries no influence. I dont need any support at all actually , but some here do .... your replys and attitude are not helping OUR cause in any way .

    JC , cultural differences and the fact that it is not a bike specific company are no consequence . We have spent hard earned cash for product and service .... and hope to get it !

    I can honestly say there is no-one on here complaining for the sake of it .... anyone voicing an issue is "doing the job of the nicolai" R&D dept as they dont have one !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzybmx
    ok , didnt say ?

    Most people here have spent a lot of cash on a Nicolai built bike , a few have bought custom built bikes ..... and they arn't right either . We dont need Nicolai support from an outsider who carries no influence. I dont need any support at all actually , but some here do .... your replys and attitude are not helping OUR cause in any way .

    JC , cultural differences and the fact that it is not a bike specific company are no consequence . We have spent hard earned cash for product and service .... and hope to get it !

    I can honestly say there is no-one on here complaining for the sake of it .... anyone voicing an issue is "doing the job of the nicolai" R&D dept as they dont have one !

    it actually looks like he is saying that when you and the other poster post here in the nicolai forum your posts resemble some of the posts from ells customers in the ells forum, not that you have posted in the ells forum. i don't see that jc is being negative, he's just pointing out that nicolai's customer support seems weak and voicing his ideas on why that may be. as far as the op goes, what can you say? you specced what you wanted, they built it. the tire rub sucks but nicolai is a small builder using an established suspension design. it's hard to expect them to correct your custom design when they seem to have trouble even posting the proper travel geometry and leverage rates on their own website. ther'sno doubt they build a great bike engineering wise, but ther are others as good that seem to have the customer service thing down pat. knolly and turner come to mind as far as a similar type bike goes. i hope it works out for you derek but they built what you asked for, i don't see them doing much for you and really don't see it as being their problem. hope it works out for you.
    you know it does suck when a premier frame builder has no real bike design skills. sven and if come to mind as well. sevn builds some of the most gorgeous ti frames, but if you buy one of their standard geometry models they look like a hardtail from the 90's as far as geometry and design goes. they have to rank right at the top on build quality and if you go custom with them and give them goood #'s you'll end up with an awesome bike.
    lynsky have great build quality as well, but it took brant richards from on-one to design a frame that they built for him to be one of the best long travel ti bikes of all time. ask tlr, he'll rave about his 454ti but it took a designer to come up with those numbers needed for a sweet ride and a great builder to put it together. those things aren't mutually exclusive but it is rare to have a quality builder be a great designer as well. dave turner has great ideas on geometry and design but he gets sapa to put it together for him. unfortunately not many customers have the design skill to pull off custom geometry and it sucks to spend multiple thosands to find that out the hard way.
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    All, just a few thoughts:

    Can we try and be civil to one another, it would be a shame for our Nicolai forum to get down in the gutter like some other forums, and no, I cant police what is said at all, just a request.

    This is free speech, there isnt anyone on here trying to p1ss on anyones fish n chips. it all depends how you read into things, also take into account that English is not everyones 1st language.

    Ozzybmx, JC is not at all getting at anyone on here personally, just stating some factual points... Trust me on that...

    Cyril, can you please not post such large pictures, it screws up the screen my man...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    All, just a few thoughts:

    Can we try and be civil to one another, it would be a shame for our Nicolai forum to get down in the gutter like some other forums, and no, I cant police what is said at all, just a request.

    This is free speech, there isnt anyone on here trying to p1ss on anyones fish n chips. it all depends how you read into things, also take into account that English is not everyones 1st language.

    Ozzybmx, JC is not at all getting at anyone on here personally, just stating some factual points... Trust me on that...

    Cyril, can you please not post such large pictures, it screws up the screen my man...
    Thank you, Whafe. I wouldn't have tried to bring both sides to an issue if I wasn't trying to be somewhat constructive. In the end, this stuff should help prevent this from happening again to other customers, whether its the fault of the builder, customer, or both in this case. There should be shared responsibility, along with a dropping the ball on another end. The "buck" ultimately stops somewhere, as they say...

    And yes, we all love sexy bike pics, but the formatting, oof. I asked gregg for a couple years to install an addon for vB that auto-resizes pics and allows one to click on it for the full size, thus preserving the site format. It really does make reading difficult with such wide pics.

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    Just to let you all know Nicolai UK and Germany have contacted me promptly and offered a few solutions and i'm more than happy with their response so no need for a war to start

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    I'm not here to make friend or not.

    I'm just here to share a passion

    sorry if what I say doesn't follow what some have in mind.

    the post was from Dereck asking about tire clearance, specially I think I was mentionned.

    I know the fact that the Helius Fr can not take tire of 2,35 for a long time. I got mine knowing it, I even knew it could be worse because I asked for even shorter chainstay.

    I've been a Team Manager for a Team running in Enduro (Mountain of Hell, Megavalanche and enduro series plus all the Edwards races- we had 3 racers in the top 15) we were all ridding on the FR, all with 2,35 tires or less (the Michelin is in 2,2) and we had absoluty no problem with that. That's what gives me my opinion.

    I agree, it shouldn't be said you can run a 2,6 tire on the rear, that's false.

    Now few times we had to swap wheels during a race and we ran 2,5 maxxis and this was no big deal. except a little of rubber (less than 2cm2, you couldn't tell it was touching)

    If this is a real problem, the only real thing that can be done is to change the seatstay, make them longer, so you can run a bigger tire.

    In my opinion, that's loosing the character of the bike. It wouldn't be a toy anymore and you don't gain much by having a 2,5 tire.

    That's my personal point of view. I understand people could think differently.

    I'm sorry you were not informed or mis informed about that. It's been like that for at least the 3 past year for this bike. I got at least 7 Helius FR in the past 3 years, test bikes for event like the Mountain of Hell or the Még. (If anyone has been to the Méga and saw the tents with many Helius under, that was me).

    Now I don't think this should turn again as a trial. I'm not getting on my horse. Just sharing my thoughts.

    instead of having people saying many things bringing nothing to the discussion, I would say let's wait the answer Dereck is gona get from Nicolai and we'll see from there.

    I hope this was clear, as it was mentionned, the world might be able to speak english, but we are not all so fluent in English. I know Cyril personaly and if there's someone that is more than simple and respectful that's him.
    But here on the web, it's pretty hard to understand eachother, might be the same language, but words can be used differently, specially if you think in your own language and translate word for word.

    The Nicolai forum was a peaceful place until few weeks. Let's get back to the basics, share good time, info and rides !!!

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    derekr, glad to hear that Nicolai are on the case....I hope things work out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekr
    Just to let you all know Nicolai UK and Germany have contacted me promptly and offered a few solutions and i'm more than happy with their response so no need for a war to start

    Derek
    What solutions have they offered derekr?

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