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    Empire to conquer Helius AM ?

    heard about this a month or so ago... local lad up here sells and distributes Empire...... He made reference to my Helius AM being PX'd aganst it....possibly.......!

    http://www.singletrackworld.com/2011...or-the-masses/

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    here's the local outlet webpage :

    http://fastandloosecycles.co.uk/

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    Is the frame machined or cast like the AP-1?

    Looks like it has more than a few places to hold mud, and I've always been worried about the sharp-ish edges of the casting on the AP-1.

    Interesting for sure.

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    It's CNC machined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    heard about this a month or so ago... local lad up here sells and distributes Empire...... He made reference to my Helius AM being PX'd aganst it....possibly.......!

    http://www.singletrackworld.com/2011...or-the-masses/
    shouldnt your first question be bottom bracket height??!!

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    This looks so early nineites to me! Back then people tried milled out parts a lot. The result was just not a good weight to stiffness ratio. Also a lot of millig out tends to create potential areas for cracks. You don't have that on cast material like their DH bike. Still you need more material than other frames do to get decent stiffness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    local lad up here sells and distributes Empire...... He made reference to my Helius AM being PX'd aganst ]
    Sounds like he's (the dealer) after getting a decent bike on the cheap

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    i'm not interested in big 160mm bikes anymore.... i'm down sizing

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    i'm not interested in big 160mm bikes anymore.... i'm down sizing
    LOL so your not buying one?

    I take it you dont buy anything from Richard now that your posting as many other links to bike shops as possible?
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    With all due respect, that bike looks like a torn sack of a s s holes.......

    Each to there own though... Could well be a great bike, but asthetically it is shocking...
    The_Lecht_Rocks: whafe - cheeers - may i offer an official apology for the wagon wheeler "dis-belief"

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    @derekr - will only buy from G-Sports - Why wouldn't I ?

    agree - looks like the Forth Road Bridge

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    Its Like Susan Boyle crossed with a Mountain cycle..

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Its Like Susan Boyle crossed with a Mountain cycle..

    it almost makes a nicolai look non-industrial......but it may well be revolutionary....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    it almost makes a nicolai look non-industrial......but it may well be revolutionary....
    I suppose it does,I would imagine it will be very stiff.

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    I like the look.... but just that. It's no secret that box cross sections are much better in this application than I-Beams.

    Kalle is not joking when he says that a round shape is better for this.

    Ever seen a motorcycle frame built on I-Beams? There's a good reason why they go with tubes or extruded (not cast or even forged) shapes instead of beams.

    So... if this and carbon are the future, what's next?? An Empire in Carbon!!

    The Warranty looks very "standard"... 1 or 2 years, limited to the original only, void if racing... It's industry standard, but the pricetag certainly it's not (neither the design to be perfectly honest).
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