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    CCDB settings for NIcs

    I thought it might be a good idea to share info. on this, since I know quite a few Nic owners run CCDB's. I will be wanting to set up my CCDB's on my two new frames: Helius CC and Helius ST. Any suggestions on where to start would be appreciated. My rider weight is 200lb.....350lb spring on CC set on second hole......400lb spring on ST set on 3rd hole down (I am going to run a dual set-up). Nicolai have blanked the two top holes on the ST. The 400lb spring for the ST was suggested by Cane Creek. I also have a 450lb spring available to try on the CC.

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    This is an interesting topic. I have lost a little weight since coming out of hospital but was never convinced that the 700lb spring was right for my 230lb frame. It always felt hard and not the most plush. To that end, I set about it with my spanner and even with the LSC dialed to the minimum setting, it still felt hard.
    I then experimented with the pre load on the spring and had it at its minimal setting, hence all this now leads me to believe that mine came from the factory with the incorrect spring rate. I am going to order a 650lb steel spring and see how I go with that, once the settings are dialled, I will then post back with my settings.

    In hindsight, I think I may have gone for the fox DHX Coil. As CF once said, you don't need that much platform with the Helius. I think he is proving to be correct! The new softer spring will tell.

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    Hi Lorni, hope you are better. Can I suggest you e-mail Malcom at Cane Creek. He gave me a 450lb spring for my old FR set-up. You are only 30lb heavier so it sounds that you are running the wrong spring.......may be even less than 650lb? Whafe, what are you running and whats your weight?

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    Hey ryates, I have emailed Malcom at Cane Creek to find out the score with my spring. I really don't want to have to purchase more than one Ti spring. It does seem, that considering the 30lb weight difference between us that I may be running the shock well over sprung. I will await his response and post up my findings.

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    Ryates, on a separate note, I would love to hook up when the leg is repaired and have a look at your ST in the flesh. I think it's going to be a beautiful ride and I also wouldn't mind sizing it up as I believe that we are in the same region height wise. Be sure to post up the pics as it gets built as there is nothing better than 'bike porn'.

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    Yep, for sure I will do this.......will be a few weeks.....still in a cast for two more weeks or so.....nearly got all the bits for the build.....I'm going to use Totem Solo Airs/Formula Ones/XTR E13 dual/Big Betty's/ CCDB/Burgtec and Thomson stuff......just looking at wheels....may be new Deemax or I9 with Mavic 721/729 or DT 5.1/6.1 rims or Burgtec hubs with Mavic/DT rims? Just doing some research on this now. I will probably concentrate on CC build first which is sorted...just shifting stuff over from the old FR except for the fork, which might be an 09 Vanilla 15mm bt or Magura Thor 20mm bt or RS revelation 20mm bt.? Thankfully I shifted my old Turner so this will help pay for some of the new kit.

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    I am also in the process of moving frames. I made a fatal mistake on the sizing issues of the FR. I ordered the XL in January this year. I have it set up with a 50mm stem and still it doesn't feel right. It feels long and high if that makes any sense. I just can't get on with it in the air, but for all day rides such as skyline at afan, it feels great, but it's not where I intend my riding to be.
    Hence an order will be going in next month for a new FR in Large. Will go for the 1.5 head tube and a new fork. Trying to decide between the 36 Van or RS Totem solo air. With the later, I can use the spacer to run them at 160mm for UK trips but then open them up to 180mm for any trips abroad.

    So, if you know anybody in the market for an XL FR in jungle cammo, please point them my way. Can't wait to get the frame, build it up and ride it! Ryates, where abouts in UK are you my friend?

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    The large should be ok for you....Whafe is the same height and he rides that size.....also my old 05 FR which is XL but has a t/t of 615 (as opposed to your 07/08 XL which is 625) is fine for me with a 50 or 65 stem. 1.5 h/t is a good idea. What about 12mm Maxle rear? Fork choice is difficult....I hear 09 Vans are really good....but also great reports on 09 Totems. Did you know that you can now get them in white, as well as black and galv. I got a deal on some 08's in galv.(£500). Have you thought of placing an ad. here for your old frame? I'm in London...and you're in Chicksands?.....so easy to hook-up sometime.

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    Yes, I live about 20 minutes up the A1 from Chicksands, at Brampton, so when we are both fixed, we should hook up. The frame will have the 12mm maxle rear, as my XL has, I wouldn't be without it. I am interested in the white totems, but not sure if it's the solo airs in that colour, I was thinking more of the black as my new frame is going to be white.
    I may very well advertise the frame on here. I am a little reluctant to use 'e bay' as I am not in a hurry for it to go, would rather it went to a good home. I haven't a clue how much used FR's go for second hand, in fact I haven't seen any being sold. Have already ordered syncros DS 28 rims so already getting some of the parts for the build, although still unsure of the stem. Probably go for the sunline at 65mm.

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    Lorni - Sorry, bit of a thread hijack but I'd highly recomend the coil RS Totem for your new FR. I previously ran a pair of 36 Van RC2s but the Totems feel just right on the 2008 frame. I also think that someone of your weight would get on better with a coil fork and the coil Totem is only a little bit heavier than the solo air. There's a good write up on the Totems in this months MBR.

    This is mine in Spain last week. The forks were just fantastic, very plush.

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    Hey Yetiman, no problems, it's always good to hear other options. Your FR looks the dogs danglies, what weight is it coming in at with the totems and the seatpost?
    I have also been thinking about the coils, wasn't worried so much about the weight, but the climbing ability at 180mm, that said, I know Karve runs his solo airs without a spacer and he says they climb well on the FR.

    I must admit, my Lyriks were the first coils I owned and I love them, but need the 1/5 steerer for the new frame. Will look into it further I think, I love the feel of a coil spring but also think that air forks have come on some way in recent years, especially with the 09' kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    I know Karve runs his solo airs without a spacer and he says they climb well on the FR.
    Yep cant be arsed to lower them.. i love them at 180 even if its riding Epping singletrack which is flatter than kate moss's chest. Climbing is totally fine on them

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    Hi Karve, I think you run a CCDB on your FR. Could you let us have some feedback about what you found to be the best settings or the general direction of setting up this shock? Also, I am going to use Totem Solo Airs on my ST......how are you finding them?

    Thanks.

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    Lorni, the 09 Totem now comes in white, black and galvanised in three versions: Solo Air, Coil and Coil IS? Anybody know about this new coil version? IS stands for integrated speedstack.

    Did you say your new FR is white.....nice......I like. What colour are your levers and decals?
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    Hi Yetiman, the black FR looks great with the Black Totem. Where abouts have you been riding in Spain......any recommendations?

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Hi Karve, I think you run a CCDB on your FR. Could you let us have some feedback about what you found to be the best settings or the general direction of setting up this shock? Also, I am going to use Totem Solo Airs on my ST......how are you finding them?

    Thanks.
    I actually started a thread on this aaaaaages ago with a fair bit of detail

    CCDB + DHX + other Coils - Helius Fr

    It really is trial and error... like this weekend i was doing some jumping and kept getting launched a bit over the bars... turned out i had tried to slow down low speed rebound and had accidentally turned it up! At the factory settings it feels like butta.... but u will find yourself thinking stuff like.. hmm im bottoming out a bit soon... or i wonder if i can make those roots feel more supple after a while.. then the fiddling begins.

    Fit it stock.. then if you want it to feel different then post up and im sure we can tell you how to achieve it.. thats the beauty of the CCDB which no other shock can replicate.. everything is adjustable
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    Hey Ryates, I will be ordering the frame next month. Its going to be white with black decals and black levers with 1.5 headtube. I am going to start off with 15mm of spacers under the stem and just fettle until it feels right. It's more the length of the frame which is making me change. With the XL it allowed me to run a 50mm stem which gave a lovely effective top tube length, but the bike still felt like a barge both round corners and in the air. So the large is the way to go for me. Should hopefully have it just before christmas.

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    Lorni, hope you get your bike before Christmas......can't go wrong with white.....almost ordered this for my ST but with red levers and decals.....but I thought I would go for pale blue after seeing it on the website. Go white Totems to match.....great!

    Karve, thanks for the info.

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    Cool Lorni! Going with some gold glitter finish on a pearl white base? I'd go with white forks only if it's exactly the same type of white as the frame, otherwise it looks like crap, IMO of course .

    Muh, haven't used my Helius since I came back from the Alps two months ago . Should move back to England really, this time a bit more northerly.

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    Yeah sorry lads, bit slow on this thread...

    I too have a 450lbs spring on my CCDB, I weigh with gear on, around 92Kg's and the spring feels excellent.... So am thinking Lorni as ryates mentions, even the 650 spring may well be far to strong also....

    Malcolm at Cane Creek is real helpful and responds quickly for sure... Make contact...

    Lorni, the new colour scheme sounds great... Yeah ha, some sexy assed looking Helius FR's out there, well ION's too, and AM's... Well dam just pure sexy Nicolai's in general..
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    Get back to England....

    Quote Originally Posted by Boozzz
    Cool Lorni! Going with some gold glitter finish on a pearl white base? I'd go with white forks only if it's exactly the same type of white as the frame, otherwise it looks like crap, IMO of course .

    Muh, haven't used my Helius since I came back from the Alps two months ago . Should move back to England really, this time a bit more northerly.
    Hi Boozzz, good to hear from you! How are the flat lands of the Netherlands? I am on the mend so will hopefully be fully back to the trails in the new year. Any time you want to come over for a weekends riding up North, let me know as I will be itching to get away. I think it's going to be plain old white with black forks for me, I kinda like the white virginial thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    Hi Boozzz, good to hear from you! How are the flat lands of the Netherlands? I am on the mend so will hopefully be fully back to the trails in the new year. Any time you want to come over for a weekends riding up North, let me know as I will be itching to get away. I think it's going to be plain old white with black forks for me, I kinda like the white virginial thing
    Flat lands of the NL are super boring. And the crazy thing is, if there's a fun element in a trail, like a small man made drop off, it gets taken out because too many people crash on it.

    So am now just mostly using my DJ bike to do some street style riding in Amsterdam: trying some tricks, and lots of drops to flat on concrete. Hopefully I'll be visiting a Dutch (well, actually it's Belgian I believe) bikepark soon. How soon depends on when I can get a ride down there/borrow my dad's car. Fullface helmet should arrive from CRC today, so at least in that respect I'm good to go. When I've been I'll post some pics.

    Good to hear your knee's getting there! Am definitely thinking of doing some riding in the UK, so would be cool to meet up again.

    Btw, plain white with black forks is very nice too, but still would love to see what a gold glitter+slightly creamy white finish would look like .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozzz
    but still would love to see what a gold glitter+slightly creamy white finish would look like .
    Harden up and go RAW, the best colour............
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    Hi Whafe, would be interested to know your CCDB settings and by what route you got there.

    Cheers

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    Hi Lorni, based on what Whafe has just said, I would suggest a 500lb spring....worth trying?

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    m 185 kitted and I run a 500lb spring? = 33% sag

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    Well got the email I had been waiting for from Malcolm today, this is what he had to say:

    Alex,

    With a short stroke shock and an average leverage ratio of 2.93 you will get a high spring rate but, 650lb is where I would start. You are looking for a 30 to 35% sag range. An easy way to measure sag is move the bottom out bumper all the way up against the shock body takke all pre load off of the spring and then sit on the bike. Get off the bike and measure how much shaft is exposed from the top of the bumper to the shocks body. For 30% you should have 17mm of shaft.


    So I think I will order a 650lb spring but I am thinking I will end up with a 600lb. When I get the new frame it will be time to play.

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    Lorni, let us know how you get on....you might be right about 600lb? What settings are you running on the shock?

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    Well at present, I am running stock HSC and rebound but the LSC is minimum, which has lead me to the conclusion that it is way oversprung. I will order both the 600 & 650 and see what I like best. I don't suppose anybody knows the best way to get the spring off the shock do they? Would be kind of cool if the spring could be changed 'in the field' so to speak, that way you could notice the difference over the same runs in quick succession.

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    Lorni - You could change the spring in a field test (sounds very military like, just for you), need to remove the mounting bolt, then drop the shock out, wind out the thingy majingy that winds the spring in when setting sag etc... Wind off and pop in the new spring...

    I will work out the setting ryates when I ride tonight.... How I got there though, man I am a blonde non techy dork... Just played until it felt ok.... I dont even write down the settings... Love tech but havnt got round to being a techy on shocks..... If you want to know about Onions, I am your man..... LOL
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    How is this for service, recieved another email from Malcolm at CC and he is posting me the 650lb spring to try. I am really impressed with the support and customer service that end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    How is this for service, recieved another email from Malcolm at CC and he is posting me the 650lb spring to try. I am really impressed with the support and customer service that end.
    Yep, have to agree with you on that one, Malcolm has been super helpful to me also....
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    I agree.....he sent out new bushings to me FOC to convert FR to CC fiitings, in double quick time.....really impressive support.....thanks Cane Creek.

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    Hey Lorni, did you read the review of the Totem coil in mbr this month? I spoke to TF Tuned and they can convert my air version to coil and fit the 09 seals....might be an idea after trying the air's for a while? How's the knee?

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    I have decided not to go for the airs. I love the feeling of coil springs and am not too bothered about the extra 300g in weight. The knee is good. I did my first gym session three days ago on a circuit which included the recumbant bike, stationary bike, concept II rower and countless amounts of specific exercises. Then off to the pool to walk my lengths.

    It does make it sore, but I can feel it getting stronger each day, albiet I am still on 4g of paracetomol and 1200g of ibuprofen per day. The physios can't believe the progress, no crutches and no more limp. Things are looking up and should be on the bike in the next few weeks. Hows your injury?

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    Lorni, that's great news that you will be back riding soon. My fracture is taking a while longer unfortunately....it's a spiral fractue....the bottom of it is unified but still waiting for the top half...may take a few more months yet? I'm doing everthing possible to get fixed asap.

    Get the coil in white....all white looks great...like 5cotty's? The 09's have better seals by the way.

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    Yes, I agree. 5cotty's is a lovely bike. Not sure whether I like the black or the white forks yet. Any idea what the Totem IS is all about yet? Can't find any information on it.

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    Mentioned this to TFTuned and they believe the IS has a cheaper type of damper.....their advice was to go for the regular coil version.

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    Right, will do. I wonder if it may be worth buying the 08 totem and have the 09 seals put in? may just be cheaper to buy the 09 forks and be done with it.

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    I have 08 totem air

    Zero issues with the seals... i think most of the later 08s are fine

    Hey lorni im at Chicki this weekend.. is that near u ... feel free to pop down and give them an inspection if you need... ill post up actually and see if any other nics fancy coming and hanging out.

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    I may pop down and catch up, although I will be a spectator. Only 20 mins from Chicki and it would be good to get out and meet my nemesis once again. Karve, will you PM me timings etc of when you will be there?

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    I may pop down and catch up, although I will be a spectator. Only 20 mins from Chicki and it would be good to get out and meet my nemesis once again. Karve, will you PM me timings etc of when you will be there?

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    Lorni, I would go for the 09 straight off.....rrp is £690....but you probably can get a deal somewhere. My 08 airs cost around £550 and the cost of converting is around £150.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    I may pop down and catch up, although I will be a spectator. Only 20 mins from Chicki and it would be good to get out and meet my nemesis once again. Karve, will you PM me timings etc of when you will be there?
    Nice one...No worries im down Chickie on Sunday 11-3ish I guess. Not confirmed yet. Will probably know by Friday for sure. Happy to take a break and hang out a bit.. ill need the rest no doubt.

    Anyone else fancy it?

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    These are my current settings for CCDB on 05 FR:

    HSC stock (2 turns CW from fully out)
    HSR half turn CW from fully out
    LSC and LSR none (30 clicks out fully CCW)

    Don't know how I got there.....just kept trying diiferent settings over repeated runs....until it felt best....are these unusual or what you might expect for a sorted Horst Link bike?

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    if you are running hardly any LSC and HSC id suggest a lighter spring or less preload?

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    Hi Karve, I have a 450 spring which gives me 33 per cent sag with one turn of preload.....which I believe is ideal? Rider weight 200lbs. HSC is stock at 2 turns CW. Now the shock is going onto a CC do you think I should reset everything on stock and start fiddling again for the new bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Hi Karve, I have a 450 spring which gives me 33 per cent sag with one turn of preload.....which I believe is ideal? Rider weight 200lbs. HSC is stock at 2 turns CW. Now the shock is going onto a CC do you think I should reset everything on stock and start fiddling again for the new bike?

    Nah best way is just to whack it on and see how it feels... i mean as u know the beauty of the shock is that anything can be adjusted. The best way to set up a CCDB is riding and fiddling with it... shame they make you carry tools to do that but that is a different discussion!

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    Just found out that there is a special tool now available to make adjustments easier. Just e-mailed CC to find out more. Karve, there is an image of the tool in the Suspension Forum....unfortunately I don't know how to post this....can you do this?

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    Very cool looking tool..........
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    OMG! I was wondering about getting a CCDB, but looking to this so cool tool, now I'm sure.

    I was living in the Netherlands for 8 months (in Leiden). It was terrifying.

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    btw: How much is the CCDB ? I couldn't finy any $ or Ä numbers ?

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    £550.00 in the UK

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    500# x 2.25" spring (i'm 86kg kitted up)
    HSC 2 turns in from fully open
    HSR 2 turns in from fully open
    LSC 8 clicks out from fully closed
    LSR 12 clicks out from fully closed.

    almost factory defaults for now, on malcolm's review of the leverage chart.......not enough chance to REALLY get into it though as we're hampered by 3' of snow

    will report further when i get some rock runs in.

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    hmmm did you not try the stock setting before? Strange your back to stock but if it works i guesss thats all that matters.
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    stock is simply a base starting point and also consequent to malcolm's recommendation for my weight and my leveage rate on the 150mm line.
    1st job is to get on the drops and dial out the HSC and dial in the HSR where possible.
    the LSC and LSR are a lot easier to execute.
    once i get the settings sorted, i'll be getting STENDEC to footprint it.

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    moderators - can this be made a sticky ?

    TIA

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    TLR, reset mine to your settings....more harsh, but pedals better. Next time out I will ease off the LS a bit.

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    Update.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    Well got the email I had been waiting for from Malcolm today, this is what he had to say:

    Alex,

    With a short stroke shock and an average leverage ratio of 2.93 you will get a high spring rate but, 650lb is where I would start. You are looking for a 30 to 35% sag range. An easy way to measure sag is move the bottom out bumper all the way up against the shock body takke all pre load off of the spring and then sit on the bike. Get off the bike and measure how much shaft is exposed from the top of the bumper to the shocks body. For 30% you should have 17mm of shaft.


    So I think I will order a 650lb spring but I am thinking I will end up with a 600lb. When I get the new frame it will be time to play.
    Well I have finally got the bike together with a 650lb spring. Inital impressions from the it's 700lb cousin is soft.
    I have adjusted the preload to about 11mm and it felt much better, and then applied the cane creek factory settings. Now the shock is feeling plush as. The settings are as follows:

    HSR - factory settings
    LSR - factory settings

    LSC - 10 clicks as apposed to 8 factory settings
    HSC -10 clicks as apposed to 8 factory settings

    I haven't had the chance to hit the trails or bike park yet, but this seems a logical place to start. Obviously, the shock will not stay this way and I intend to find a happy medium where I can virtually set and forget, with the exception of bike parks where due to my size, more HSC will be needed.

    Initial thoughts on the totem coil is fantastic. It is plush straight from the box and will only get better as time rolls on. Still waiting for some cosmetic changes, then comes the photo shoot.

    I would be interested to hear from other large riders who have a FR mated to a CCDB, on how you have yours set up. A happy chap indeed!

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    yeah - mee too - will hopefully get some rocks in this weekend, as we're thawing out from the snow line now

    whoever made this a sticky - THANKS !

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    Well the bike is now done, only stickers to go. I have reduced my spring rate from a 700lb spring to the 650lb version. I can now use a bit of preload on the spring and can accurately set the sag.

    For me at 240lb kitted up, I am starting with the sag at 35% and am liking it, but until I get on the trails and parks, I will not be able to tune it futher. I have set the LS settings to this so far:

    LSC - 8 clicks from standard.
    LSR - 12 clicks from standard.

    With these settings, pedalling is a firm platform with the right amount of rebound, but without feeling soggy and bobbing. I have left the HSC and HSR until I can get to some terrain that would warrant a high speed effect, but so far, it's riding like a new bike, the bike it should have been initally.

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    i've now increased my sag by running a softer spring rate , and instead of running on the spring, i'm tuning on the compression - what a revelation !
    so ultra plush, yet remains so well controlled ............
    i'm down to the 450# spring (i'm 86kg kitted up) with a turn or so of pre-load on the 150mm AM setting........it's just SO VERY VERY plush and composed...direct and taught, but as smooth and tractable as a smooth and tractable thing - Increbible and lurverly.....
    i'm sure the Horst aids the CCDB allowing less LSC and less spring rate..............anyone else running 'too much' sag and controlling on the compression ?

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    TLR increased your sag to what? 'To Much' 40% - 50%?

    Or normal trail riding 30 - 35% or free riding / DH 35 - 40%? (Please note above % ish!)

    I thought the whole idea of the CCDB or Stoy was slightlymore sag (than the cheaper shocks) and controlled compression, that was where I started and finished my settings.

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    Garry - agree'd i thought you had to run 35%+ acording to reviews ive read.

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    sag depends what you want to do with the shock and where you propose to ride.
    for trail (as much climbing as descending) 30 - 35% works well....
    for more FR orientated duties 40% works incredibly well.

    this weekend, i'm no longer measuring sag.......i'm just varying spring rate and adjusting my compression values to suit.....and it's starting to come alive and work

    however, due to the incredibly plush nature of the CCDB, in only 7 hours of riding this weekend, I've had 5 bl00dy punctures

    i have however given the Helius some SEVERE stick...and it just laughs it all off.....

    i did manage to scare the bejeezus out of some unsuspecting trail sloths today however.....Mach 1 really does feel FAST

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    Derek its amazing but thats for a new thread.

    TLR so not so much "too much" but more what is recommended.......

    ps. You need to go tubeless to avoid all those pinch punctures, that many punctures would do my head in!

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    garry - i'm tubeless on the Ti456 and Hummer....
    i really want Mavic to do a tubeless 821 rim.

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    Me too! Come on Mavic wake up in the morning (AM)!

    I've got 819's which are nice and light but then there's a 1lb increase to go to 823's and on rotating mass thats a lot! Yes Derek I know you love them, but an in between would be nice, or; even better TLR, an AM '823 light' only 1/4lb (100g ish) heavier than an 819 but with the extra width we all want to run 2.4 tyres.

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    one downside of the increased performance of the CCDB over mortal shocks is the speed issue.......hence the puncture issue.......
    i guarantee i'd have even ripped a big betty UST from an 823 the force i carried over the test section rock garden...

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    I've sourced an Avalanche shock to try on my Nuky which should be interesting... not that I have any complaints with the Push race system on my current Fox Vanilla but sometimes you just want to try new things

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    Argh - The Avalanche shock is not going to be a straight forward fit to the Nukey. Looks like some filing will be involved and I'm thinking thats a bad idea

    Here is a picture of the shock - it's a 200mm x 57mm with remote reservoir and it has high/low compression adjustment.

    Spring is Ti and 600# - spring dimensions are as per Romic shock. All details available on the Avalanche website.



    Compared with my Fox shock this is amazingly built - a true thing of beauty.

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    Iv got my CCDB now. currently still on factory setting and waiting for a 650lb spring to turn up as im blowing through the 550 to easily!!

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    well what can i say im pretty appauled with 'extra uk' the sock turned up middle of last week and as yet they still cant get hold of the correct spring foe me, and it will take them another 3 weeks to get one!! so TF tuned to the rescue, hopefully the correct spring should be hear tomorrow!! And just to rub it in, extra have already sold the 550 spring thats on my bike and are demanding it back leaving me with no spring!!

    can anyone PM me with malcoms email address??

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    so the 650 has arrived, and after a chat to malcom, i have the shock in a good starting position with about 18mm of stroke being used under inital compression. Im off out for a ride tomorrow afternoon so will report back then!!

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    yeh, I don't think Extra are up to the job....best to deal directly.

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    oily - my ccdb is coming from extra and they said there was a cock up with the 550# spring !!! LOL !!!!!
    ccdb is in the uk, but still not shipped ???

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    the spring should be on their way back to them early next week!! fingers crossed they got your order correct!!

    Iv think iv settled on the 650 spring, it felt amazing today, there are a few bits i need to fiddle with, the shock kicked the back end up a few times on jumps which was a bit scary!!

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    oily - you should have given me a shout. I've got a CC 650lb spring here that you could have had. Did TFT give you the right diametre spring as it's different from fox/marzocchi etc.

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    tf and the shop spent ages measuring it and found one the same diameter i think this is only a tempry spring because when im happy with it i think im going to upgrade to ti

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    Glad to hear it's all going well oily, the CCDB is a nice bit of kit. How much are you weighing in at? I too am running a 650lb spring and loving it. Would be interested to know what settings you are using, just for a comparison.

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    im about 230lbs at the moment, currently running standard CC settings but im going to go out next week for a set up ride. as soon as i have it dialed in i will let you know

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    oily - try to ride on the compression circuits as opposed to on the spring / sag settings.
    i made the mistake of running on the spring instead of using the compression circuits when i first used the CCDB on my Turner.
    the Nicolai with HORST needs so little LSC, thereby really allowing the shock to perform

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    TLR, so you advise to use the least preload you can and use the compression circuits to tune the shock? That is interesting as I am at about 8mm on the preload. Will back it off and continue to fettle with the settings.

    Oily, will be good to compare when you have more ride time.

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    lorni - results ?
    my own CCDB has arrived at Gravity Sports - Shall pick it up on Saturday - Having spoken to Malcolm, I made sure I got a good one, better than Dippers'

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    Sorry for the delay in getting back, I have been away for the last three weeks so have not had a chance to get anywhere near the bike. I have however, in the little time I have today, wound off as much preload as I can, basically I have enough to keep the spring locked in place, about 3mm.

    Now I have that set, I have done the obligitory car park test and as you can imagine, the shock is much much more active - so now comes trying to get the settings dialled in with very little preload. Will post back next week after some riding and fettling.

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    lorni - no sweat - i'll now have time to really get to grips with the CCDB on the Nicolai now mine's arrived at Gravity Sports - Picking it up tomorrow
    i'll start off the spring and on the LSC tomorrow - we've got a big day out in Fochabers doing all the routes including sessioning on the shore and the infamous gully monster trail.......not the most technical trails by any stretch of the imagination, but a nice day out with speed available
    Golspie next week however

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    Hey TLR, I have made few alterations today. Wound in more LSC and It has equalled the 'platform feeling' when using three times the preload before. I have also increased a small amount of HSC and HSR based on the riding experience at Dalby a few weeks ago - it's sad when you pack a notebook in the camelbak to make the necessary notes. I now feel that I am getting there with the shock, only a good thrashing will tell.

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    lorni - now you're cooking - now you need to equalise the LSC by winding in a bit more preload and backing off the LSC until your LSC is mid-way......
    the HSC settings will remain no matter what - and the notebook is an absolute must

    great , innit

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    Thanks mate, I am getting there. Will try and sort that tomorrow, 'wife permitting' and let you know how I go.

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    'wife permitting' ????
    when it comes to dialling in the CCDB, the wife simply needs to know it's bike time and bike time only

    mine has given up on me

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    Once you get there it is so sweet... all i have done to mine in the last 12 months since I found the spot is crank up the HSC when I am doing big drops... and taken it back off for trail riding..

    I am running a DHX on the gambler and it is put to shame by the ccdb!

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    WOW !!!!!!!
    almost no HSC, 1 turn of HSR, a little less than std LSC and std. LSR and it is SUBLIME !
    i ran on factory std. settings yesterday, but HSC was too much for stutter bump runs and the frame HORST design allows less LSC too.....
    @ 85kg kitted i'm on the 450# spring on the 150mm travel setting, i'm running no preload either.....
    it feels initially too soft, but on the trail, it's astonishing......now the HS circuits are set, it's time to get clever on the LS circuits.....
    this shock is fukkn incredible, tbh

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    Hi,
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    ryates - it's exactly the same as mine........increased tuning range and stepped thread sleeve

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    I have a question on how HSC works. Based on the mechanics, it appears that the HSC valve opens when you hit something at a high speed therefore letting more oil move through the reservoir than the low speed circuit allows. Therefore, you can set more low speed compression for controlling pedaling, bike movement from shifts in weight etc and yet open the valving to take a big hit.

    Having said that, you really canít tune in more HSC than LSC because HSC always allows more oil flow than the low speed circuit by the nature of the design.

    Same seems to hold true for rebound. When rebounding from deep in the travel, the high speed valve will open allowing more oil to flow through therefore will always be a faster return than low speed circuit. You can never tune the high speed rebound to restrict more oil than the low speed circuit or event.

    Does this make sense or am I way off here. I am not saying this is a positive or negative, just trying to understand the mechanics to help me in my tuning.

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    smithrider - almost right............however, the twin tube of the CCDB allows oil to permanently flow between the valving providing fully independant LS and HS damping circuits.
    the HS circuits are operated by poppet (relief) style valves,[and succesively, the shim stack], only opening when oil pressure exceeds the dialled in value on the shock body

    hope this helps - feel free to contact Cane Creek direct for more clarification, as Malcolm is very very helpful.
    fwiw, the CCDB does feel really peculiar in the car park / garage, feeling far too soft........it's on the trail where it shines

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    My FREE !!! 400# spring arrived today - Many many thanks Malcolm for the absolutely sterling advice and service

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