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    600lb Spring Anyone????

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    Hi Lorni, hope you are better. Can I suggest you e-mail Malcom at Cane Creek. He gave me a 450lb spring for my old FR set-up. You are only 30lb heavier so it sounds that you are running the wrong spring.......may be even less than 650lb? Whafe, what are you running and whats your weight?
    Well I have tried to get somewhere witht the 650lb spring but still think my FR is oversprung. I have set the sag to just over 35% but the shock still does not feel as plush as I'd hoped. I have the LSC dialled right out and minimal HSC which leads me to believe I may need a 600lb spring. Anybody in UK got a steel one I can borrow to test my theory? Many thanks in advance

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    lorni - PM Dipper for a spring
    I'm 86kg kitted on a 400# spring momentarily.......

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    Thanks TLR, will do.

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    lorni - fwiw i've quit estimating sag - i now look to pre-charge the shock circuits with a bit of preload and then dial in a bit of LSR / HSR whilst focussing on LSC and HSC....in fact i run very little HSC (about 1/4 turn) and try to get it plush around mid point LSC / LSR looking for the shocks most efficient zone, so to speak.......

    does this make sense

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    Well if you can offer any advice, it would be much appreciated. After I figured out that I had the shock in the wrong forward mounting points, I am back to square one. I have enough preload to hold the spring on without moving and next to no LSC.

    Can you try to get me at a base setting as the factory settings are poo. Sag is roughly calculated at 22mm which equates to about 38%. Perhaps it's me, but it still doesn't feel dialed. I have slowed the rebound down a little, perhaps it is this which is making the shock feel inactive? Sure on the hits it feels good but at the moment it feels like it has a platform even at 38% sag.

    I am confused.....

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    I might try and contact dipper next week as I know he is over 200lb and has a CCDB, see what he is running on his shock?

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    dipper can't get below 68 seconds at Knockhill !!!!!
    if you PM me i'll give you my number and we can discuss - too difficult to dial in over the net
    however, if it takes the square edged hits (HSC) and has a stable pedal platform (Horst + CCDB mid stroke control) then it sounds pretty good to me .... however, best to call me to discuss

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    Hi Lorni

    From my experience I would start with about half to one turn HSR/ HSC in from fully open and about 12 clicks of LSR/LSC out from fully closed.
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    Ryates - I am open to any suggestions at the moment - so many thanks for your advice. I am going to sort this sucker after the easter break with regular trips to Chicksands.

    TLR - Many thanks for your kind offer. I will PM you momentarily and get in touch after Easter, again many thanks.

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    if you think theres currently too much platform, try backing off all the circuits and working in from there. I run the HS circuits wide open pretty much everywhere. The LS circuits I change depending on where i am and what i'm doing. Sag @ 40%

    TLR - no idea what motorbikes have to do with anything but I know 68sec is quicker than you've ever done. And seeing as you've bottled it like the big girls blouse you are you'll never be able to prove otherwise! If you're up for the challange, I'm going back in may.

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    don't forget the characteristics of the leverage rate of the frame - or the Horst link design, making a stable pedal platform BEFORE the CCDB has been introduced into the equation.
    FWIW, It's doubtful whether the HELIUS needs a shock as well controlled as the CCDB due to it's inherently stable suspension design !

    Therefore, as mentioned above, start opening all the circuits wide open, then close in......

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    Dipper & TLR - Thanks for the advice. I went to the local park this morning armed with my 10mm spanner and I think I am getting somewhere. The rebound circuits are set up to my liking thus eliminating the 'kick' often associated when the shock reasserts itself.

    With that dialed, I am now making headway with the HSC. I have hit a few jumps up to about 3 foot in height to flat and I can really feel the shock working on the landing. It sometimes feels as though I am blowing through the travel due to it feeling so plush with no bottom out.

    On your advice, I have backed the HSC off to minimum and am now working on setting it a little at a time and doing the same jump. I am back to the park this morning to have another bash and perhaps hit some bigger stuff for confirmation, will let you know how it goes. Many thanks to both of you.

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    After riding for a year on this shock I only ever adjust 2 things now

    HSC - when doing BIG stuff I whack it up... on the trail rides i lower it to make it more supple over fast roots and the like. By whack it up i mean 2 clicks lol

    LSR - my preference of how much pop I need off of jumps seems to change... more rebound = more pop but more over the bars. More rebound also gives a bit more spring out of corners.

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    for fast flowing trails with not too many roots/rocks i dial in quite a bit o LSR and C. Like you say, it gives more spring out of corners and more pop off jumps and you can pedal hard without wallowing.

    For DH I back off quite a bit all round as it keeps the shock plusher. I'm not entirely convinced that drops are a HS event though. I find by dialling in more LSC the shock stays composed off drops without sacrificing suppleness too much

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    I'm about 15 clicks out from closed on LS (28 clicks total range) and half a turn back from fully open on HS.....feels good on most stuff.

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    Hi! just two pictures of my ion st mounted with the ccdb:

    <a target='_blank' href='http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4210004.jpg'><img src='http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3038/p4210004.th.jpg' border='0'/><br>
    <a target='_blank' href='http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4210003.jpg'><img src='http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6536/p4210003.th.jpg' border='0'/><br>

    set-up:

    _400lbs spring
    _standart set-up for both hsc and hsr
    _3 clicks from full open for lsr
    _5 clicks from full close for lsc

    _it works very, very, very well...

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    Hi tmseth,

    nice.....yours is the first Ion i've seen with a CCDB.....must be a great combination.

    Can you post full spec in the Ion database?
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    ok! I'm on the way to complete it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmseth
    ok! I'm on the way to complete it!
    Nice looking machine.. What pedals are those they look mint!

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    brave machine pedals, similar to the bmw pedals

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    guys - really dialled in the LSC setting now - LSR is just about right too - phenomenal climbing grip and control.
    however, i'm open almost all the way on HSC, standard HSR and suffering slight spiking on big square edgers.
    probably running 40% sag however - is this too much ? feels awesome everywhere other than mega square edged hits ?????

    HELP

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    40% sag with no HSC (or preload?) - sounds like u need a heavier spring.

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    i have a 400 fitted - i also have a 450 & 500. the 400 is just super plush and super controlled with awesome grip.
    the 450# would need even less HSC, no ?
    i also have a few turns of preload in there too..................
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    guys - i'm delighted with my LS circuits.
    what sort of settings on the HS side have you selected ?
    on really fast big square edged hits i notice a wee bit of spiking...........?

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    half to one turn back from open

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    new CCDB tech screen from Cane Creek for any 'potential' customers out there : http://canecreek.com/tech-shocks

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    has anyone got a quick set up guide for the CCDB, iv lost mine!!

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    wound right up the LSC and backed right off the HSC.
    awesome trail sensitivity and a lovely taut feel with lush feedback.
    try it out fella's

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    Interesting... might give that a bash.. what happens when you hit something big?

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    karve - it works a treat with better control - but then the CCDB always feelt bottomless on the Helius AM/FR..........

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    karve - let me know your thoughts - fwiw, i find the taut control preferable to mush and wallow, but then that's just my preference......

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    I have one on order.
    I weigh 230 lbs could do with a starting setup for all adjustments.Just something to start me off in the right direction.
    lorni you are about the same as me,do me a favor and list your settings for me

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    I'm @ 10lb lighter than you but i'd start with both HS circuits wide open and take it from there. dial the low speed circuits in just enough to prevent bobbing and to give the bike some support through berms etc. set your sag between 35 and 40%. I ran a 500lb spring at 40% sag on the FR

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
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    I'm @ 10lb lighter than you but i'd start with both HS circuits wide open and take it from there. dial the low speed circuits in just enough to prevent bobbing and to give the bike some support through berms etc. set your sag between 35 and 40%. I ran a 500lb spring at 40% sag on the FR

    Thanks dipper.

    500lbs.Blimey thats low.
    Malcolm at CC sugested a 650lbs.That could be a bit high.I have a 600lbs ti spring from my avy might try that.

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    yeah. you'll see what i mean when you start running it. i found it a bit harsh/spikey at 30% sag. 40% it's damn near spot on and there's no negative effect on pedalling either with the CCDB as you just need to dial in a bit more LS damping.

    I'm finding much the same with the AFR. I'm preffering it at 40% in the 185mm setting although it's early days and this may change once I try a lighter spring at 175. with the AFR I'm having to run some HSR whereas on the FR I ran that wide open

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    Ok,

    Thanks mate.
    If i have to i might need to get a 550lbs spring to try.

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    Should get my Double barrel tommorow.
    Shame the weather is bad.Think we have had 19 days now and every day it has rained.

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    dry here, but cold. -2 deg C.
    what weight are you Norco and for what frame ?
    i'm on a 550# on my AM At the 150mm hole seting with 3 turns of preload @ 28% sag now.

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    2008 FR and weigh a stealth like 235 lbs fully kitted.

    I have a 650 steel coming with it i have a 650 ti(nuke proof.heard it will fit) and a 600lb ti spring from an avalanche(1.5" internal) not sure if this will fit.

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    Have been out today for an hour.
    Think i am still oversprung using a 600lbs spring(If it is) anyone with a 600lb and a 550lb i could borrow.
    I am only running 30% sag,not convinced that the 600lb ti is 600 i think its a 650lb.

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    Waiting for a 600 lb spring from Cane creek

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    droppoed off the LSC and preload and down to 500# spring for the fast dry summer conditions..................BEAUTIFUL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    What weight are you TLR? What's your final/current settings?

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    @ a1. i weigh 82kg's at 183cm.
    will measure setings later todaay as it's pouring doon after a dust-fest !

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    anyone had their CCDB serviced in the UK yet ?
    mine is becoming wooden and has weeped a few drops of oil from the compression nuts........

    tia

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    Dont suppose anyone has a 550lbs x 2.25 spring,steel or ti to fit a double barrel.

    Thanks

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    Maybe, I'll check in the Garage tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Maybe, I'll check in the Garage tomorrow.

    Thanks

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    mine needs a service - any recommendations ?

    im thinking STENDEC...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    mine needs a service - any recommendations ?

    im thinking STENDEC...............

    Stendec replaced an adjuster on my CCDB that was on my Fr, after it somehow managed to make contact with a a flying rock.This was on the 5th ride,i wouldnt have bothered but it started to leak.

    Bloke was very helpful and only was charged for what he changed and labor.Same day turnaround.

    Think he was called Dave the man i spoke to.

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