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    Very cool looking tool..........
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    OMG! I was wondering about getting a CCDB, but looking to this so cool tool, now I'm sure.

    I was living in the Netherlands for 8 months (in Leiden). It was terrifying.

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    btw: How much is the CCDB ? I couldn't finy any $ or Ä numbers ?

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    £550.00 in the UK

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    helius AM @ 150mm position.
    500# x 2.25" spring (i'm 86kg kitted up)
    HSC 2 turns in from fully open
    HSR 2 turns in from fully open
    LSC 8 clicks out from fully closed
    LSR 12 clicks out from fully closed.

    almost factory defaults for now, on malcolm's review of the leverage chart.......not enough chance to REALLY get into it though as we're hampered by 3' of snow

    will report further when i get some rock runs in.

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    hmmm did you not try the stock setting before? Strange your back to stock but if it works i guesss thats all that matters.
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    stock is simply a base starting point and also consequent to malcolm's recommendation for my weight and my leveage rate on the 150mm line.
    1st job is to get on the drops and dial out the HSC and dial in the HSR where possible.
    the LSC and LSR are a lot easier to execute.
    once i get the settings sorted, i'll be getting STENDEC to footprint it.

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    Then the worlds?
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    moderators - can this be made a sticky ?

    TIA

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    TLR, reset mine to your settings....more harsh, but pedals better. Next time out I will ease off the LS a bit.

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    Update.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    Well got the email I had been waiting for from Malcolm today, this is what he had to say:

    Alex,

    With a short stroke shock and an average leverage ratio of 2.93 you will get a high spring rate but, 650lb is where I would start. You are looking for a 30 to 35% sag range. An easy way to measure sag is move the bottom out bumper all the way up against the shock body takke all pre load off of the spring and then sit on the bike. Get off the bike and measure how much shaft is exposed from the top of the bumper to the shocks body. For 30% you should have 17mm of shaft.


    So I think I will order a 650lb spring but I am thinking I will end up with a 600lb. When I get the new frame it will be time to play.
    Well I have finally got the bike together with a 650lb spring. Inital impressions from the it's 700lb cousin is soft.
    I have adjusted the preload to about 11mm and it felt much better, and then applied the cane creek factory settings. Now the shock is feeling plush as. The settings are as follows:

    HSR - factory settings
    LSR - factory settings

    LSC - 10 clicks as apposed to 8 factory settings
    HSC -10 clicks as apposed to 8 factory settings

    I haven't had the chance to hit the trails or bike park yet, but this seems a logical place to start. Obviously, the shock will not stay this way and I intend to find a happy medium where I can virtually set and forget, with the exception of bike parks where due to my size, more HSC will be needed.

    Initial thoughts on the totem coil is fantastic. It is plush straight from the box and will only get better as time rolls on. Still waiting for some cosmetic changes, then comes the photo shoot.

    I would be interested to hear from other large riders who have a FR mated to a CCDB, on how you have yours set up. A happy chap indeed!

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    yeah - mee too - will hopefully get some rocks in this weekend, as we're thawing out from the snow line now

    whoever made this a sticky - THANKS !

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    Well the bike is now done, only stickers to go. I have reduced my spring rate from a 700lb spring to the 650lb version. I can now use a bit of preload on the spring and can accurately set the sag.

    For me at 240lb kitted up, I am starting with the sag at 35% and am liking it, but until I get on the trails and parks, I will not be able to tune it futher. I have set the LS settings to this so far:

    LSC - 8 clicks from standard.
    LSR - 12 clicks from standard.

    With these settings, pedalling is a firm platform with the right amount of rebound, but without feeling soggy and bobbing. I have left the HSC and HSR until I can get to some terrain that would warrant a high speed effect, but so far, it's riding like a new bike, the bike it should have been initally.

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    i've now increased my sag by running a softer spring rate , and instead of running on the spring, i'm tuning on the compression - what a revelation !
    so ultra plush, yet remains so well controlled ............
    i'm down to the 450# spring (i'm 86kg kitted up) with a turn or so of pre-load on the 150mm AM setting........it's just SO VERY VERY plush and composed...direct and taught, but as smooth and tractable as a smooth and tractable thing - Increbible and lurverly.....
    i'm sure the Horst aids the CCDB allowing less LSC and less spring rate..............anyone else running 'too much' sag and controlling on the compression ?

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    TLR increased your sag to what? 'To Much' 40% - 50%?

    Or normal trail riding 30 - 35% or free riding / DH 35 - 40%? (Please note above % ish!)

    I thought the whole idea of the CCDB or Stoy was slightlymore sag (than the cheaper shocks) and controlled compression, that was where I started and finished my settings.

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    Garry - agree'd i thought you had to run 35%+ acording to reviews ive read.

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    sag depends what you want to do with the shock and where you propose to ride.
    for trail (as much climbing as descending) 30 - 35% works well....
    for more FR orientated duties 40% works incredibly well.

    this weekend, i'm no longer measuring sag.......i'm just varying spring rate and adjusting my compression values to suit.....and it's starting to come alive and work

    however, due to the incredibly plush nature of the CCDB, in only 7 hours of riding this weekend, I've had 5 bl00dy punctures

    i have however given the Helius some SEVERE stick...and it just laughs it all off.....

    i did manage to scare the bejeezus out of some unsuspecting trail sloths today however.....Mach 1 really does feel FAST

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    Derek its amazing but thats for a new thread.

    TLR so not so much "too much" but more what is recommended.......

    ps. You need to go tubeless to avoid all those pinch punctures, that many punctures would do my head in!

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    garry - i'm tubeless on the Ti456 and Hummer....
    i really want Mavic to do a tubeless 821 rim.

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    Me too! Come on Mavic wake up in the morning (AM)!

    I've got 819's which are nice and light but then there's a 1lb increase to go to 823's and on rotating mass thats a lot! Yes Derek I know you love them, but an in between would be nice, or; even better TLR, an AM '823 light' only 1/4lb (100g ish) heavier than an 819 but with the extra width we all want to run 2.4 tyres.

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    one downside of the increased performance of the CCDB over mortal shocks is the speed issue.......hence the puncture issue.......
    i guarantee i'd have even ripped a big betty UST from an 823 the force i carried over the test section rock garden...

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    I've sourced an Avalanche shock to try on my Nuky which should be interesting... not that I have any complaints with the Push race system on my current Fox Vanilla but sometimes you just want to try new things

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    Argh - The Avalanche shock is not going to be a straight forward fit to the Nukey. Looks like some filing will be involved and I'm thinking thats a bad idea

    Here is a picture of the shock - it's a 200mm x 57mm with remote reservoir and it has high/low compression adjustment.

    Spring is Ti and 600# - spring dimensions are as per Romic shock. All details available on the Avalanche website.



    Compared with my Fox shock this is amazingly built - a true thing of beauty.

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    Iv got my CCDB now. currently still on factory setting and waiting for a 650lb spring to turn up as im blowing through the 550 to easily!!

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    well what can i say im pretty appauled with 'extra uk' the sock turned up middle of last week and as yet they still cant get hold of the correct spring foe me, and it will take them another 3 weeks to get one!! so TF tuned to the rescue, hopefully the correct spring should be hear tomorrow!! And just to rub it in, extra have already sold the 550 spring thats on my bike and are demanding it back leaving me with no spring!!

    can anyone PM me with malcoms email address??

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    so the 650 has arrived, and after a chat to malcom, i have the shock in a good starting position with about 18mm of stroke being used under inital compression. Im off out for a ride tomorrow afternoon so will report back then!!

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    yeh, I don't think Extra are up to the job....best to deal directly.

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    oily - my ccdb is coming from extra and they said there was a cock up with the 550# spring !!! LOL !!!!!
    ccdb is in the uk, but still not shipped ???

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    the spring should be on their way back to them early next week!! fingers crossed they got your order correct!!

    Iv think iv settled on the 650 spring, it felt amazing today, there are a few bits i need to fiddle with, the shock kicked the back end up a few times on jumps which was a bit scary!!

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    oily - you should have given me a shout. I've got a CC 650lb spring here that you could have had. Did TFT give you the right diametre spring as it's different from fox/marzocchi etc.

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    tf and the shop spent ages measuring it and found one the same diameter i think this is only a tempry spring because when im happy with it i think im going to upgrade to ti

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    Glad to hear it's all going well oily, the CCDB is a nice bit of kit. How much are you weighing in at? I too am running a 650lb spring and loving it. Would be interested to know what settings you are using, just for a comparison.

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    im about 230lbs at the moment, currently running standard CC settings but im going to go out next week for a set up ride. as soon as i have it dialed in i will let you know

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    oily - try to ride on the compression circuits as opposed to on the spring / sag settings.
    i made the mistake of running on the spring instead of using the compression circuits when i first used the CCDB on my Turner.
    the Nicolai with HORST needs so little LSC, thereby really allowing the shock to perform

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    TLR, so you advise to use the least preload you can and use the compression circuits to tune the shock? That is interesting as I am at about 8mm on the preload. Will back it off and continue to fettle with the settings.

    Oily, will be good to compare when you have more ride time.

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    lorni - results ?
    my own CCDB has arrived at Gravity Sports - Shall pick it up on Saturday - Having spoken to Malcolm, I made sure I got a good one, better than Dippers'

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    Sorry for the delay in getting back, I have been away for the last three weeks so have not had a chance to get anywhere near the bike. I have however, in the little time I have today, wound off as much preload as I can, basically I have enough to keep the spring locked in place, about 3mm.

    Now I have that set, I have done the obligitory car park test and as you can imagine, the shock is much much more active - so now comes trying to get the settings dialled in with very little preload. Will post back next week after some riding and fettling.

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    lorni - no sweat - i'll now have time to really get to grips with the CCDB on the Nicolai now mine's arrived at Gravity Sports - Picking it up tomorrow
    i'll start off the spring and on the LSC tomorrow - we've got a big day out in Fochabers doing all the routes including sessioning on the shore and the infamous gully monster trail.......not the most technical trails by any stretch of the imagination, but a nice day out with speed available
    Golspie next week however

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    Hey TLR, I have made few alterations today. Wound in more LSC and It has equalled the 'platform feeling' when using three times the preload before. I have also increased a small amount of HSC and HSR based on the riding experience at Dalby a few weeks ago - it's sad when you pack a notebook in the camelbak to make the necessary notes. I now feel that I am getting there with the shock, only a good thrashing will tell.

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    lorni - now you're cooking - now you need to equalise the LSC by winding in a bit more preload and backing off the LSC until your LSC is mid-way......
    the HSC settings will remain no matter what - and the notebook is an absolute must

    great , innit

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    Thanks mate, I am getting there. Will try and sort that tomorrow, 'wife permitting' and let you know how I go.

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    'wife permitting' ????
    when it comes to dialling in the CCDB, the wife simply needs to know it's bike time and bike time only

    mine has given up on me

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    Once you get there it is so sweet... all i have done to mine in the last 12 months since I found the spot is crank up the HSC when I am doing big drops... and taken it back off for trail riding..

    I am running a DHX on the gambler and it is put to shame by the ccdb!

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    WOW !!!!!!!
    almost no HSC, 1 turn of HSR, a little less than std LSC and std. LSR and it is SUBLIME !
    i ran on factory std. settings yesterday, but HSC was too much for stutter bump runs and the frame HORST design allows less LSC too.....
    @ 85kg kitted i'm on the 450# spring on the 150mm travel setting, i'm running no preload either.....
    it feels initially too soft, but on the trail, it's astonishing......now the HS circuits are set, it's time to get clever on the LS circuits.....
    this shock is fukkn incredible, tbh

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    Hi,
    thought you'd like to take a look at The New Cane Creek Double Barrel on the Dirt website.

    Another World Exclusive!!

    Click below to see what all the fuss is about.
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    ryates - it's exactly the same as mine........increased tuning range and stepped thread sleeve

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    I have a question on how HSC works. Based on the mechanics, it appears that the HSC valve opens when you hit something at a high speed therefore letting more oil move through the reservoir than the low speed circuit allows. Therefore, you can set more low speed compression for controlling pedaling, bike movement from shifts in weight etc and yet open the valving to take a big hit.

    Having said that, you really canít tune in more HSC than LSC because HSC always allows more oil flow than the low speed circuit by the nature of the design.

    Same seems to hold true for rebound. When rebounding from deep in the travel, the high speed valve will open allowing more oil to flow through therefore will always be a faster return than low speed circuit. You can never tune the high speed rebound to restrict more oil than the low speed circuit or event.

    Does this make sense or am I way off here. I am not saying this is a positive or negative, just trying to understand the mechanics to help me in my tuning.

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    smithrider - almost right............however, the twin tube of the CCDB allows oil to permanently flow between the valving providing fully independant LS and HS damping circuits.
    the HS circuits are operated by poppet (relief) style valves,[and succesively, the shim stack], only opening when oil pressure exceeds the dialled in value on the shock body

    hope this helps - feel free to contact Cane Creek direct for more clarification, as Malcolm is very very helpful.
    fwiw, the CCDB does feel really peculiar in the car park / garage, feeling far too soft........it's on the trail where it shines

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    My FREE !!! 400# spring arrived today - Many many thanks Malcolm for the absolutely sterling advice and service

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