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    CCDB or Elka or Vivid Shocks???

    What's the thoughts on which coil shock for the Helius AM 29er?

    Have 2 CCDB shocks, rate them hugely, I have had more time on a CCDB coil shock than any other type / make etc.... It would be the most logical choice for me...

    I really liked the RS Vivid coil on my ION ST, of which norcosam is enjoying as well.

    My main riding buddy Momentus has an Elka Stage 5 shock on his Knolly DT. He rates it, it is really nice, great feel....

    What should I do, go with what I know, or step out and try something new?

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    or, has anyone tried the Monarch Plus RC3?


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    I think everything else than a CCDB will make you dissapointed.

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    Bos Stoy?

    Vivid Air?

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    Whafe, according to a freind of mine which is a specialist in suspension, you should go for a BOS or an ELKA. They are a bit better than the CCDB, and way better than a vivid. The most imporant is that the internal setting is prepared for your bike, that's what makes the difference between a bos or an elka against a CCDB or a Vivid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    Whafe, according to a freind of mine which is a specialist in suspension, you should go for a BOS or an ELKA. They are a bit better than the CCDB, and way better than a vivid. The most imporant is that the internal setting is prepared for your bike, that's what makes the difference between a bos or an elka against a CCDB or a Vivid.
    I agree what said about importance of internal settings, if shock is some other than CCDB.
    If you`re lucky enough, or suspension curves of your frame, linkage rates, your weight, spring you`ll use ... allow you to find golden spot of suspension behaviour somewhere middle of CCDB adjusting ranges, then it`s hard to beat CCDB.
    You can get nearly_similar behaviour with Elka, or Bos, but not without someone changing internal shimmings, normally you can not do that by yourself. I got Elka, with recommended shimming for my frame, it was not bad, but far below CCDB. After re-shimming both directions and after finding optimal nitrogen pressure, it`s in same level than CCDB.
    Don`t have experiences about BOS.

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    Go custom... Avalanche, BOS, Elka, etc.
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    Thanks as always for the feedback and thoughts....

    As I said, am not at all unhappy with the CCDB, just thought I should try something else, I am usually the type "if it aint broke, dont fix it"

    But have read great things about Elka etc etc, and having ridden Momentus's Knolly with the Elka, it is a great shock....

    Have not heard enough about the Vivid Air, the weight sounds really appealing, it is somewhat odd that in reality very few DH WC peeps have been using them.. A few have, but not many at all.....

    Shock required is 216mm (8,5") x 63mm (2,5")

    It is not at all to say that I will not go CCDB again, they have served me very well

    Too many Homers love Avalanche shocks Warp

    Decisions decisions... Well I do know am not going with Magura brakes on this build. Every bike I have had runs Magura.... Am going with the Codes, the 2011 are awesome...
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    It would be a tough decision for me on the rear shock, The CCDB is a very good shock but Is quite expensive,The Vivid coil is a very good coil shock and i love the one on my Ion,It works very well and seems to absorb everything i can throw at it,Works well on small and large hits.
    I am not sure on the Bos or Elka,Not seen or used any of them.But i could be tempted by a set of there forks
    The one i would look at if i was going down the full custom shock would be an Avalanche.
    You know you cant go wrong with the CCDB as an off the shelf unit,Or the Vivid as a cheaper alternative.

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    There is not much price difference between CCDB and Elke. I would go with what you know and buy the CCDB. Elke or CCDB on the Knolly are going to be equally impressive.

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    ryates - going with the CCDB would be easy, am going to go with the Elka... Be like a new woman, have 2 CCDB's already, need a change..... Getting old and set in my ways

    For sure nothing at all wrong with the CCDB though.....
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    @Whafe - why not Hopes? Or Formulas?
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    Whafe, can you get the Elka with a tune for the AM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a1helius
    @Whafe - why not Hopes? Or Formulas?
    Formulas get good reviews, however my first hand experience is ***** with them, my main riding buddy Momentus has 2 sets sitting in his cupboard now, they never worked well at all and absolutely mow through pads..... So sell the idea to me, they look great..

    Hopes, they look awesome and industrial, my fav's in looks... But again, don't hear loads of great stuff. People have ridden my bikes and the first comments are always how great the Magura brakes are, and they ride Hopes... Again, sell the hopes to me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Whafe, can you get the Elka with a tune for the AM?

    Yep, on there website they state all the bikes that they tune shocks for. The AM is on there, however the shock eye to eye is different to the AM. It is the shock for the AFR. I need to keep reminding myself it has an AFR rear, built wi AM rear tubing....
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    Whafe, I think you just hit the nail on the head about brakes.... stick with the Maggies or you will probably be disappointed. I love Hope, my mate loves Hayes... we dislike each others... best to go with what you know and like as its all about feel and what your used too.

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    agree with tpm(again!)

    Each to their own. I've had issues with magura, avid, hayes and shimano. Much of it simple stuff but in the UK the back up for some of them leaves a lot to be desired. I've ended up ebaying loads of the above as 'spares or repair' as fixing them is too much hassle.

    I've also had issues with Hope in the past but the back up here is first class. Also, the last few years the brakes have been near faultless and pads last ages. Only issues/complaints I've had with Hopes recently have been down to customers cleaning regime. You wouldnt believe how much oil and crap folk manage to get on the discs/pads while cleaning!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    Whafe, can you get the Elka with a tune for the AM?
    Sure you can get. There are some generic tunes (shimmings) available for horst-linkage frames with Nicolai-type suspension curves. You can live with those, at least. But to get best out of Elka, you`ve to inform them the leverage rate you`ll mostly use (= what hole you`ll use when mounting your shock), your weight, your preferred spring (lbs) and your preferred sag and how you`ll wish your shock behave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pergamonx
    Sure you can get. There are some generic tunes (shimmings) available for horst-linkage frames with Nicolai-type suspension curves. You can live with those, at least. But to get best out of Elka, you`ve to inform them the leverage rate you`ll mostly use (= what hole you`ll use when mounting your shock), your weight, your preferred spring (lbs) and your preferred sag and how you`ll wish your shock behave...
    Hi ya pergamonx... I will for sure be giving Elka as much info as I can. At present in my communication with them I am working through the shock length. I have told them it is an AM 29er and gave the shock length of which is different to their records. So have explained to them that this frame will have an AFR rear. So waiting to hear back... Will then progress with giving them loads of info... Thanks for the help though, it is appreciated..
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
    Whafe, I think you just hit the nail on the head about brakes.... stick with the Maggies or you will probably be disappointed. I love Hope, my mate loves Hayes... we dislike each others... best to go with what you know and like as its all about feel and what your used too.
    Again, as I was saying, just love the look of Hopes, they are raw, industrial and engineered in looks, awesome in fact...

    What Hopes would you run with?

    In dippers post, maintenance is no issue for me, keeping brakes clean etc is part of having an mtb.....

    I thought that the new Magura Marta FR's were a new model so to speak, however they are the same as Marta SL's more or less...
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    Never had issues with Formula.

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    Will never run anything else than Formula The ones are superior

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    ryates & mikael_nr1 = Do your Formula's go through brake pads like loaves of bread?
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    Yes they do, worth it every day though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikael_nr1
    Yes they do, worth it every day though.
    MMMMMMmmmmmm tell me more.....
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