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  • 12-06-2010
    dipper
    BOS suspension
    I know Bos have been discussed on here in the past but I've never paid a great deal of attention as I've never used them and dont know much about them. However, Ive been asked a few times recently if i could take them in. So based on nothing more than the fact they're expensive, shiny and niche and therefore entirely compatible with the Gravity-Sports ethos I figured why the hell not. :D

    Not to do things by halfs I'm going full tilt into it. Kitting out the AFR with a Stoy and an N'dee and also the AM with a Deville.

    I figure they'll be good but how good? the AFR currently runs a CCDB and 2010 66 RC3ti so Bos have a lot to live up to

    So who's all running them or have demo'd them even?(sam?) I've done some searching but cant find much info. and certainly no back to back tests with other brands. I'll probably not get a chance to try them out till after the snows gone so I'm keen to get some sort of impression on how they'll ride.:thumbsup:
  • 12-06-2010
    dipper
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    most importantly. Just how good are the N'dee's going to look on this?:p

  • 12-07-2010
    Whafe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dipper
    most importantly. Just how good are the N'dee's going to look on this?:p

    Not as good as a Bos fork would look on my AM 29er when Bos make a long travel single crown fork for a 29er!!
  • 12-07-2010
    Whafe
    No in all seriousness, look forward to some feedback on these forks etc. Read amazing reviews on them.

    Most reviews say more or less "the Bos fork and shock, moves to a new level"

    So bring them on dipper....
  • 12-07-2010
    Garry AM
    Hi Dipper, the Stoy is fantastic it holds the back end up enough but also feels bottomless needs to be tuned from the start for bike and rider weight but is excellent hardly ever adjusted mine never feel the need to.
  • 12-07-2010
    rpm100
    Gary, is the rebound on your stoy noisy? as in sounds like a singing budgie?
  • 12-07-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    seriously, lol.......

    it's all smoke and mirrors imo........

    fox have a fork for all occasions now, i see very little value in some French tat, and whats the uk after-sales going to be like compared to mojo ?

    being serious, anything i've ever had thats been French has either broken [peugeot / renault] or disappeared without a service facility [micromega]...... and it was all touted as the best of it's genre at the time of purchase....

    i think marzocchi's new range and their return to recent form warrants more interest...

    you are niche however, and as such i see why you're attracted....

    they get great reviews, but that's inevitable when you consider they'll be free-issued to some hungry journalists who ALWAYS wear the emporers new clothes...
  • 12-07-2010
    ncig
    I was looking into them here in the us but distributor say's he not taking them in the us and tried to contact them no response so I guess we will never know .
  • 12-07-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    as ncig says - usual french shoddy after sales service and lack of reliability.....
  • 12-07-2010
    chillijo1
    I rode a friends Cove shocker out in Morzine it had the stoy and ndee's on it and it was amazing,so plush and felt bottomless,i was riding same frame with fox 40's and rc4 and it felt crap by comparison.If i had the cash i'd buy bos!
  • 12-07-2010
    thepimpmessiah
    I'm interested, especially in the Stoy. I like my 36 RC2 so the Deville would have to be very good indeed (although I can think of improvements to the 36 so there is room).
  • 12-07-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    i'm afraid that after sales / service and the likelihood of the company being in business next year prioritise my choices.
  • 12-07-2010
    loamranger
    Very interested in the BOS Deville or WB Loop for my new bike.

    Perhaps some of our French friends can comment on BOS reliability... I have not read anything negative so far?
  • 12-07-2010
    norcosam
    Would like a set of deville,You can reduce the travel internally down to 140mm.
  • 12-07-2010
    dipper
    TLR - I guess you'll not be interested in a shot then? You've the same additude to the AC 29er and pretty much anything new. I'm surprised you've made it as far as full sus! Bos is hardly a fly by night company. they've been on the go for years and if their mtb product is as good as it's reported to be they'll be here for a while yet I suspect.

    I've a lot of time for Fox stuff and the new marzocchis are excellent also however there's always room to try more stuff. How else you going to know whats hot and whats not? And more importantly, trying loads of stuff tunes you in to what you like and what suits your riding style.

    Anyway, I'm excited so stop killing my buzz:madman:
  • 12-07-2010
    dipper
    reliabilty is allegedly the best in the business. I've a set of devilles lined up for a serial fork wrecker so i'll know soon enough:D
  • 12-07-2010
    norcosam
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dipper
    TLR - I guess you'll not be interested in a shot then? You've the same additude to the AC 29er and pretty much anything new. I'm surprised you've made it as far as full sus! Bos is hardly a fly by night company. they've been on the go for years and if their mtb product is as good as it's reported to be they'll be here for a while yet I suspect.

    I've a lot of time for Fox stuff and the new marzocchis are excellent also however there's always room to try more stuff. How else you going to know whats hot and whats not? And more importantly, trying loads of stuff tunes you in to what you like and what suits your riding style.

    Anyway, I'm excited so stop killing my buzz:madman:

    Dipper-Just ignore him.I do.

    Seems to be very full of himself and what he has is the only choice.

    Devilles....Yes please
  • 12-07-2010
    rpm100
    Tlr, just out of interest, are you an actual life size cod piece?
  • 12-07-2010
    rpm100
    Bos are here to stay. They produce innovative, alternative products with great performance, fantastic reliability and at a good price. What's not to like?
  • 12-07-2010
    chillijo1
    Look like they work pretty well for Nico!
    http://dirt.mpora.com/news/vouilloz-...s-deville.html
  • 12-07-2010
    dipper
    i hate watching stuff like that. makes me realise how rubbish i am. why do I even bother? think i'll take up walking as a hobby. at least I'm good at that:D
  • 12-07-2010
    wpuk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dipper
    i hate watching stuff like that. makes me realise how rubbish i am. why do I even bother? think i'll take up walking as a hobby. at least I'm good at that:D


    http://www.worldrecordsacademy.org/s...cord_70134.htm ;)
  • 12-07-2010
    dipper
    I said 'walking'. not 'extreme walking'. mind you i've just remembered i'm rubbish at walking as well. went over my ankle about 6 months ago and was off work for a week! :(
  • 12-07-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    my point is that the differences are so minute between manufacturers there's little point.

    all the marketing BS from mtb manufacturers is a bit tiring....

    every year, there's a "MASSIVE" improvement.

    bollox - it's all a ploy to make you spend money on gear and upgrades.

    ffs - just get out and ride what you've got ! ARE you really that good that you need 3% of perfomance improvement....... i think not !

    and i maintain that most french kit is sh1t. sh1t service, sh1t longevity.
  • 12-07-2010
    chillijo1
    TLR, i see what your saying and in some cases your probably right,is a Fox talas 2010 any better than the 08 model? 99% of riders won't be able to detect the difference,but the BOS stuff is NEW,that 's why it's exciting,there an interesting company with a long and prestigeous record,they've been building forks and shocks for Nico and Chausson for years,to me another fork and shock option can only be a good thing!
    I remember a lot of people saying the same stuff about fox when they entered the mtb market and they've turned out ok! Just my 2p.
  • 12-08-2010
    geetee1972
    TLR there are so many holes in your argument I could shrink wrap it and market it as Swiss cheese.

    If you really think about your argument what you're saying is this:

    Riding mountain bikes is a purely utilitarian, pragmatic pursuit that has little or nothing to do with sensory pleasure, emotion, soul or anything else that might be classed as ‘ethereal or intangible’. The only reason you seem to give for riding bikes seems rooted in pure reasoning and logic – this is essentially what you are saying when you say ‘just get out and ride and stop thinking, discussing, worrying, whatever word you want to insert here, about the kit’.

    Now I get where you’re coming from you because you’re an engineer and for you, ‘feeling’ is just something fluffy that gets in the way of your ability to get oil out of the ground. The world needs your skills, (Scotland needs your skills if it’s going to have any chance of making it as an independent nation), but the world does NOT need your constant braying about how pointless it is thinking, talking and engaging about the sensory pleasure that we all get from the kit we have on our bikes.

    If you had your way, it would seem that the only reason you should be allowed to ride your bike for is, well actually I'm not sure you know why YOU ride bikes, seriously, what is it that you're trying to convince us of here? You say ‘stop worrying and just get out and ride’, well how is that contradictory to what Dipper is asking here? Dipper and the rest of us derive a lot of pleasure from the kit we ride. It’s precisely because we enjoy riding our bikes that we enjoy talking about and tinkering with the kit.

    Every BS argument you ever come up with seems to be based on 'just get out and ride' but your arugment is axiomatic; people ride bikes because they enjoy the feeling that that gives them. They enjoy how a bike feels underneath them and over the terrain they are riding. There is a deep sense of enjoyment and fulfilment that we get from having a well set up machine, doing out bidding.

    As an engineer, I would have thought you got that, but for some reason it seems to elude you.

    The most successful engineers in the world are the ones who were able to make the connection between the brilliance of their engineering execution and the soul that exists in all of us (except you it seems). They connect those two sides to human nature, the logical with the poetic. If you just took a moment to think about that and think about the ramifications of how you come across every freaking time you launch into one of your ‘BS marketing, BS this, BS that, just get out and ride, BE MORE LIKE ME’ tirades, maybe, just maybe, you would be a better person for it.
  • 12-08-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    sh1te - i'm a gear freak like the rest of you but my comments re BOS still stand. french tat remains french tat irrespective of your badge-engineered fanboi frenzy.

    i love shiny kit, but there's more to it than kit ffs !

    unless you're ultimately a kit monster and that really fukkn annoy's me !

    ATGNI come to mind ?
  • 12-08-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    nicolai has king hubs / headset / xtr xchainset / CNT bars / joplin post / etc. top end kit.

    hummer has xtr / king / etc.

    456 ti has king hubs / headset / xtr xchainset / CNT bars

    mrs tlr's juliana has XTR / CNT, etc...


    so i am without doubt getting pleasure from the kit, but redeem my guilt by riding the fookn wheels off all my .

    geetee says :

    Dipper and the rest of us derive a lot of pleasure from the kit we ride. It’s precisely because we enjoy riding our bikes that we enjoy talking about and tinkering with the kit.

    then you contradict the issue with :

    people ride bikes because they enjoy the feeling that that gives them.

    which is why i ride them - for the pleasure of the ride, not the fookn xtr chainset that's shinier than joe bloggs' xt ! ? !

    i only have the shiny kit coz i've got too much money and a benevolent dealer :)
  • 12-08-2010
    geetee1972
    I can handle your comments about BOS - that's not bit that caused a problem for me. This on the other hand is what I am talking about:

    Quote:

    ffs - just get out and ride what you've got ! ARE you really that good that you need 3% of perfomance improvement....... i think not !
    Not sure if you're suggesting it's me, Dipper or anyone else who is ATGNI but I think you'll be on pretty thin ice with that argument. I know I CAN ride a bike. I've been riding since I was 14 I do have some idea about the subject.
  • 12-08-2010
    ianpinder
    The only thing which worries me about the bos forks is the 34mm stanchions.

    If they are just as stiff as 36s I might sell mine, and buy a pair of bos forks. should only cost me about Ł100
  • 12-08-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    14 ????

    i was on pushbikes at 3 , motorbikes at 5. why did you waste 9 more years ? :)
  • 12-08-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    @ dipper - i'm afraid to report that no matter what fork from whatever manufacturer. there will be nothing to accompany that monstrosity aesthetically.

    i'd just bin it and start again mukka.

    seriously - that AFR is simply FOUL / FUGLY / repeat to fade........
  • 12-08-2010
    mikael_nr1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    14 ????

    i was on pushbikes at 3 , motorbikes at 5. why did you waste 9 more years ? :)

    And still you can't figure out when it's time to keep your cranc arms level?:D
  • 12-08-2010
    dipper
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geetee1972
    TLR there are so many holes in your argument I could shrink wrap it and market it as Swiss cheese.

    If you really think about your argument what you're saying is this:

    Riding mountain bikes is a purely utilitarian, pragmatic pursuit that has little or nothing to do with sensory pleasure, emotion, soul or anything else that might be classed as ‘ethereal or intangible’. The only reason you seem to give for riding bikes seems rooted in pure reasoning and logic – this is essentially what you are saying when you say ‘just get out and ride and stop thinking, discussing, worrying, whatever word you want to insert here, about the kit’.

    Now I get where you’re coming from you because you’re an engineer and for you, ‘feeling’ is just something fluffy that gets in the way of your ability to get oil out of the ground. The world needs your skills, (Scotland needs your skills if it’s going to have any chance of making it as an independent nation), but the world does NOT need your constant braying about how pointless it is thinking, talking and engaging about the sensory pleasure that we all get from the kit we have on our bikes.

    If you had your way, it would seem that the only reason you should be allowed to ride your bike for is, well actually I'm not sure you know why YOU ride bikes, seriously, what is it that you're trying to convince us of here? You say ‘stop worrying and just get out and ride’, well how is that contradictory to what Dipper is asking here? Dipper and the rest of us derive a lot of pleasure from the kit we ride. It’s precisely because we enjoy riding our bikes that we enjoy talking about and tinkering with the kit.

    Every BS argument you ever come up with seems to be based on 'just get out and ride' but your arugment is axiomatic; people ride bikes because they enjoy the feeling that that gives them. They enjoy how a bike feels underneath them and over the terrain they are riding. There is a deep sense of enjoyment and fulfilment that we get from having a well set up machine, doing out bidding.

    As an engineer, I would have thought you got that, but for some reason it seems to elude you.

    The most successful engineers in the world are the ones who were able to make the connection between the brilliance of their engineering execution and the soul that exists in all of us (except you it seems). They connect those two sides to human nature, the logical with the poetic. If you just took a moment to think about that and think about the ramifications of how you come across every freaking time you launch into one of your ‘BS marketing, BS this, BS that, just get out and ride, BE MORE LIKE ME’ tirades, maybe, just maybe, you would be a better person for it.

    damn well said geetee! except this bit - "Scotland needs your skills if it’s going to have any chance of making it as an independent nation":D

    I think TLR is having toilet issues again. bit bunged up are we simon?:D
  • 12-08-2010
    dipper
    "i only have the shiny kit coz i've got too much money and a benevolent dealer"

    you missed the word 'had'
  • 12-08-2010
    wpuk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geetee1972
    TLR there are so many holes in your argument I could shrink wrap it and market it as Swiss cheese.

    If you really think about your argument what you're saying is this:

    Riding mountain bikes is a purely utilitarian, pragmatic pursuit that has little or nothing to do with sensory pleasure, emotion, soul or anything else that might be classed as ‘ethereal or intangible’. The only reason you seem to give for riding bikes seems rooted in pure reasoning and logic – this is essentially what you are saying when you say ‘just get out and ride and stop thinking, discussing, worrying, whatever word you want to insert here, about the kit’.

    Now I get where you’re coming from you because you’re an engineer and for you, ‘feeling’ is just something fluffy that gets in the way of your ability to get oil out of the ground. The world needs your skills, (Scotland needs your skills if it’s going to have any chance of making it as an independent nation), but the world does NOT need your constant braying about how pointless it is thinking, talking and engaging about the sensory pleasure that we all get from the kit we have on our bikes.

    If you had your way, it would seem that the only reason you should be allowed to ride your bike for is, well actually I'm not sure you know why YOU ride bikes, seriously, what is it that you're trying to convince us of here? You say ‘stop worrying and just get out and ride’, well how is that contradictory to what Dipper is asking here? Dipper and the rest of us derive a lot of pleasure from the kit we ride. It’s precisely because we enjoy riding our bikes that we enjoy talking about and tinkering with the kit.

    Every BS argument you ever come up with seems to be based on 'just get out and ride' but your arugment is axiomatic; people ride bikes because they enjoy the feeling that that gives them. They enjoy how a bike feels underneath them and over the terrain they are riding. There is a deep sense of enjoyment and fulfilment that we get from having a well set up machine, doing out bidding.

    As an engineer, I would have thought you got that, but for some reason it seems to elude you.

    The most successful engineers in the world are the ones who were able to make the connection between the brilliance of their engineering execution and the soul that exists in all of us (except you it seems). They connect those two sides to human nature, the logical with the poetic. If you just took a moment to think about that and think about the ramifications of how you come across every freaking time you launch into one of your ‘BS marketing, BS this, BS that, just get out and ride, BE MORE LIKE ME’ tirades, maybe, just maybe, you would be a better person for it.

    500 and words is an eloquent way to tell someone they are a knob
  • 12-08-2010
    olive
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    hello,
    I'have the N'dee on my FR, probably the best fork I had (66 ETA, 36 Talas and 2006 888 Rc2x). Here in France people says it's a bit more DH oriented than the new VAN 180 and those who tested the N'dee comparing to the new Marzo 66 RC3ti says that the difference is really minimal.
    Reliability is also really good (and I'm a Swiss guy, also have a RARE on my Shocker), you just have to ride without maintenance...
    Hope it will help a bit...
  • 12-08-2010
    dipper
    nice bike Olive. do you know what the axle to crown is on the N'dee's? they look quite tall
  • 12-08-2010
    olive
    565mm axle to crown, I took the photo with. a 28mm lens, that's why...
  • 12-08-2010
    vikingboy
    I'm running deviles on my spicy and they are so much better than anything fox or rockshox produce it's not even close. Significantly better traction and bottomless plush travel.
    Honestly, if you can afford them there is no reason to not run them.
  • 12-08-2010
    norcosam
    Olive.Very nice,like the white fork,black frame,reminds me of the Fr i had.
  • 12-08-2010
    olive
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by norcosam
    Olive.Very nice,like the white fork,black frame,reminds me of the Fr i had.

    Thanks Norcosam, but now the front is black. Better uphill (500gr less and Talas adjustment) but not really the same level downhill. The N'dee is on my other bike.
  • 12-08-2010
    olive
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by norcosam
    Olive.Very nice,like the white fork,black frame,reminds me of the Fr i had.

    Thanks Norcosam, but now the front is black. Better uphill (500gr less and Talas adjustment) but not really the same level downhill. The N'dee is on my other bike.
  • 12-08-2010
    dipper
    some +ve reviews comming now. cheers. Of course negative reviews also welcome assuming they're based on some sort of experience! Glad to hear they N'dee is at least on a par with the 66RC3 ti. I wee bit less dive and the 66 would be as perfect a fork as I've ridden. It's smoother than a 36 but not quite as supportive imo. Hopefully the N'dee will be best of both:thumbsup:
  • 12-09-2010
    geetee1972
    Dipper you know that wasn't a dig at Scotland right? Just a comment that the revenues from north sea oil are pretty important.
  • 12-09-2010
    uni
    Reliability ??
    Been very interested in a set of Devillle's since the recent price drop. Not sure if anyone can confirm it but someone told me that the service interval can be up to 2 years due to their reliability, compared with a 15 hour service for my 36's this makes them very tempting......
  • 12-09-2010
    The_Lecht_Rocks
    sorry lads - but you're all so easy to wind up it's a shame not too :)
  • 12-09-2010
    dipper
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geetee1972
    Dipper you know that wasn't a dig at Scotland right? Just a comment that the revenues from north sea oil are pretty important.

    not at all. I was having a dig at the fact TLR is English and I suspect thenorth sea oil industry would get along just fine without him!:D
  • 12-09-2010
    rpm100
    Arh ha, a frustrated English man living in Scotland. That explains alot;)
  • 12-09-2010
    heihei
    Just put some Devilles on my Mojo HD to replace 2009 36 Floats. At the margin they are not quite as stiff, but it's a small difference. Upside is they are lighter, and once up to a decent speed the damping does seem to offer more control. The comparison I'd make is the Push upgrade to Pikes.