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    no idea - about a hundred quid i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    the problem is everyone wants something different from their suspension and forever your settings have been sh1t in feel for me...........

    i am stunned however that you seem to like the bos feel which is totally alien to your previous settings being soft and soggy.....

    whatever, i know what i like and how i expect it to perform and will re-iterate this to Stendec Dave tomorrow
    But you've never ridden my afr and only did 100 yards on my fr so not sure how you know this

    The bos is not alien to the ccdb. Both run soft and both have excellent damping. In fact my stoy runs a 325lb spring which is actually less than what I ran on the ccdb. As I said above, out the box with stock settings the stoy feels better. I suspect the ccdb could be made to feel similar if that was the preference. Contrary to what you believe I like, i had the ccdb set up far stiffer(talking damping here) than the stoy. Sitting on it in the car park only gives you an indication of how much sag it's running and doesn't give the faintest clue as to how it will ride! If you sat on the afr with the stoy I'd never hear the end of it as it feels soft and bouncy. To ride, it's no where near soft and bouncy though.

    Be prepared for your ccdb to feel like mush in the car park test when it comes back. Also get him to write down the settings he's giving you as a starting point otherwise you could find yourself tied in knots again. Dave knows his stuff though so you need to give it a chance and not fiddle with it in the assumption that you know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    My turn,

    My Devilles are the 140 mm version.
    I have done about 30 miles on them so far,Varying terrain.
    The damping on them is quite different as Dipper noted,They feel very bouncy in the car park test,and even with the rebound on fully they are still quite active,I initially set mine up as i would any other fork and ignored the standard settings.Went for a quick blast on a piece of track i know very well,did a few fast runs and set it up how i would usually.Then after i had ridden it a few more times,so i knew how it felt,i changed it to the standard settings that Roger gave me,Very different to mine.Feels awful to bounce when stationary,like a pogo stick,as Dipper said like they have no oil in them.Went and rode the section again,Felt very good,very active,amazing amount of traction and very playfull,makes it easy to pop off things and hop over roots.
    I have now done about 30 more miles with the standard settings but have increased the Rebound by 2 clicks,The only thing that i couldnt get on with was there air pressure settings,i am running them at 10psi ,lower than reccomended.
    The forks sit high in there travel when riding and feel bottomless,yet you can use a lot of the available travel.They dont ramp up like a lot of air forks so feel quite linear.
    Rock gardens and roots are easily dealt with and these forks make you feel very confident and make you want to push you that bit faster.I hit rock gardens yesterday following my mate who usually leaves me on this section,i had to brake so i didnt run into the back of him,rode that piece 3 times and he couldnt keep up with me,Secret is brakes off and let the Forks do there job,they wont let you down.

    Waiting for the Bos Stoy Air to be released so i can try it.

    Just so you know i was running 2010 150mm dual air Rockshox team revelations with blackbox damping before these.

    Do you mean with standard settings 15 clicks from close by all settings?

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    Have you cross referenced stendec suggestions with malcom at cane creek TLR?
    I've seen some negative comments about what stended did to some ccdb's so for me, mine wouldn't go anywhere other than cane creek direct.

    Re your pedal strikes, all I did to cure mine was to add two clocks of low speed compression damping which reduced the dive in berms etc. Problem fixed. For less high G courses I can reduce it if I desire. It's all a compromise at the end of the day. There is no silver bullet shim stack.

    Would be interested to hear what stendec are proposing for your shock if you wouldn't mind sharing?

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    Stendec will be in touch today. Just waiting for the ti spring to arrive. I'll get the bade settings off them and report in. I'll also report what they do to the needle valves, etc...

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    I also now accept compromise with the am set up. That's why dippers set me up with a 140mm trail thrasher.

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    Base settings !

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    HERE’S THE INFO FROM STENDEC :

    • FLOWING PISTON AIR CHAMBER SET AT 25mm
    • INCREASED 4 SHIMS ON COMPRESSION STACK
    • HIGHER BLOW-OFF THRESHOLD DUE TO INCREASED OIL FLOW.
    • N2 PRESSURE SET AT 220PSI

    • THIS PROVIDES A MORE DYNAMIC FEELING SHOCK [MORE ACTIVE] WITH MORE POP AND MID STROKE STABILISATION.

    • LSC + 6 CLICKS OUT
    • HSC ¾ TURNS OUT
    • LSR + 8 CLICKS IN
    • HSR 1 TURN OUT

    • FITTED NEW BOTTOM OUT DAMPER [4mm NOT STD 8mm] GIVES MORE STROKE TRAVEL.

    • NEW O RING SEALS FITTED.

    • NEW 500# TI SPRING INSTALLED.

    FOR ANY MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT DAVE AT STENDEC-WORKS. http://www.stendec-works.com/

    Bear in mind that this is now custom tuned to my requirements and complaints about the standard shock and it's [in]action for my riding style [or lack thereof] !!!

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    Right out you go then will look back on here in 4hrs for full review!

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    Won't be back until Monday :'(

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    Dude, use your iphone?

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    iphone - no chance - HTC Desire HD for me

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    HD is that the long travel version like Ibis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry AM
    HD is that the long travel version like Ibis?

    yes - the betterer version

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    we're not the only ones liking them then. looking forward to trying the devilles myself. I cant see them being as good as the heavier, coil sprung n'dee's but if theyre better than a 36 that'll do me. not that there's much wrong with a 36 but it's good to see the game moving forwards
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    LOL....What fork for a saracen, innit

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    it also suggests that at 11 stone they're fine but if you're heavier then the fox 36 is a better chassis as it's stiffer [albeit heavier]..........

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    just read it again. thats not what they said though is it?

    "although the damping is better, the Fox are stiffer (but heavier). At 11 stone we couldn’t feel them give, although if you’re a bigger rider you may want to think about this."

    all theyre saying is that at 11 stone they couldnt tell the difference but you might if you're bigger. but then again you may not and at 11 stone theyre not in a position to say one way or the other.
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    they also said

    "We don’t use the word incredible a lot when we’re reviewing things, but it’s the only word for this fork

    they feel just like a well set-up Fox 40.”

    We can’t think of a fork that beats these for their combination of weight and performance

    Right now they’re available for £750 and we reckon that’s actually a bit of a bargain

    We’d bet that if you were blindfolded you would have a tough job telling they are air sprung and we don’t know of any other fork like that."


    in fact in every sentence there's +ve comments. the only -ve comment was that they may or may not be as stiff as a 36 if youre a bigger rider.
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    http://www.facebook.com/roulerimports

    for details on new BOS air Stoy shock....

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    cool. be interesting to know when it's due.
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    blimey - are you trying to sell the product or something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    blimey - are you trying to sell the product or something ?
    Be more informed points of discussion would it not?

    Have to say, this kit is getting some stella reviews..... Anyway, all not applicable until they make a fork for a 29er. A Bos shod Helius AM29er would be the ducks nutz, the cats pajama's etc etc etc

    Good opportunity for Bos..
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    blimey - are you trying to sell the product or something ?
    fox are by far my biggest seller and i make more money on a set of fox forks than I do Bos so I've no added interest in pushing Bos over Fox! despite the lesser margin i even tried to sell you a set of devilles as I reckon theyll be better than the fox you ended up going for. if nothing else it would have given you a new experience and maybe got you to take the blinkers off!

    Whafe
    ive asked again about the 29er but not heard anything yet
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    Due by march my maN at Bos informs me.....although they have been bad at keeping dates previously this one looks like it might stick.....fingers xxxxxxx'd

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    i'll possibly try a pair once they've gone through the development cycle and proven themselves over a longer period in the UK's harsh conditions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    i'll possibly try a pair once they've gone through the development cycle and proven themselves over a longer period in the UK's harsh conditions....
    Fingers crossed price doesn't go back to £1250+ Mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy
    http://www.facebook.com/roulerimports

    for details on new BOS air Stoy shock....

    That dosent look like the other pictures i had seen of there air shock

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    don't you worry about my finances - dipper does that for you LOL/

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    That dosent look like the other pictures i had seen of there air shock
    The old image was about 18 months old and was a computer render only I recall.

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    Loving the spelling on that roleur site lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    Loving the spelling on that roleur site lol
    Roleur LOL! :-D

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    exactly viking LOL

    ironic freudian slip intended !

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    April for the Stoy air i'm hearing from R53 but he's going to get conformation. Looks like it's soon anyway.
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    Does any one know the A-C on the 160 & 140 Devilles?
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    Deville 160 A2C is 545mm. I´ll suppose that it`s 525mm with Deville 140, because shorter travel has been done with internal spacer, but this is only guess.

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    Not only a internal spacer:

    Rouler Imports not reall.. It's a lot more complicated than most people think. Because the Deville ,along with the other bos forks, run an open bath compression cartridge, it would have to be cut down and re-threaded. A new shim stack has to be installed and the whole preload side has to be modified for such a drop. I know they were doing it on the N'dee but they have no plan for a big drop on the Deville unless we a get a huge demand but the forks in a 100mm.

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    I went to sleep dreaming of a Bos DeVille 160mm 29er Fork
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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    I went to sleep dreaming of a Bos DeVille 160mm 29er Fork

    You wouldnt like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    You wouldnt like it.
    No I wouldnt like it at all, but there is a good chance I would LOVE it...
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    have to say that yesterday, having a good 3 hour ride on technical terrain, my revised CCDB and the brand spanking FLOAT RLC Kashima 36's make me wonder how much better it could possibly get ?

    a mate of mine has a set of Devilles [from Dipper] and he can't tell the difference from his older 36 FLOATS..

    is it not just new kit syndrome ?

    keep the reports coming in fella's..... ..

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    TLR, there has so many positive reports about the Devillles, it's doubtful if they are all wrong.

    Can you describe what the main riding improvements are with the shock, in bit more detail?

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    "my revised CCDB and the brand spanking FLOAT RLC Kashima 36's"

    also sounds like new kit syndrome to me!

    "make me wonder how much better it could possibly get"

    while you're 'wondering' we'll crack on with actually trying the new gear to see for ourselves if it can get any better

    there's nothing wrong with floats so for someone to say they feel the same isnt a bad thing. however most reports favour the deville and at the current price and with the 2 year service interval, even if function is the same they win on those counts.

    im looking forward to trying mine next week. they are a light weight air fork so I'm not expecting them to match the ability of the ndee. however, if theyre as good as a float but with less dive(as per the ndee) then i'll be happy.
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    new new RLC FIT 36 have absolutely no blow through and remain utterly taut, responsive, communicative and controlled.

    their rigidity also helps the feedback of course, something the less stiff Devilles would fail to deliver if you're heavier than 11 stone [as reported elsewhere].

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    i cant even be arsed pointing out the bollox anymore!

    fox are great cos you've got some, bos are crap cos you dont got some. we get it.

    im just going to sit here and bang my heid off the desk for a while till someone with something constructive and Bos related comes along.

    yer like a serial thread killer on a spree!
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    not what i'm saying.

    i started off with French tat, and that opinion remains......let's see how good BOS are in 12 months and if they even remain imported into the UK..........

    Fox have a foothold and a strong distribution network and the product itself is excellent.....proven over the years and with a global footprint.....

    from my conversation with STENDEC, I was advised to stay away from BOS as the equipment cannot be modified and it's been designed on the back of 1 whole rider......

    1 man has developed that fork alone and it's designed to suit his preference......there are no tuning kits or ways o amend the damping...............

    anyway, i'll leave this thread for you to w@nk all over and pat each other on the backs as any alternate ideology is obviously unwelcomed.

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    'ideology'

    and therein lies the snag! you and yer fox idolatry. youve never set eyes on any Bos suspension. if you'd seen them you could have an opinion on how they look in comparison to other forks you've seen. if youve ridden them you can comment on on how good/or not they are in comparison to what you've ridden before. if you've ridden a set till they fell apart you can compare their longevity with other forks you've ridden to death.

    all you've done in this thread is bleat on and on about how someone told you bos are crap, bos are french therefore theyre crap, bos have no track record therefore theyre crap. Fox are great blah blah blah! not an objective opinion or point in sight.

    im boring myself now so ill stfu
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    from my conversation with STENDEC, I was advised to stay away from BOS as the equipment cannot be modified and it's been designed on the back of 1 whole rider......

    1 man has developed that fork alone and it's designed to suit his preference......there are no tuning kits or ways o amend the damping.
    That kind crashes with this...

    http://www.bosmtb.com/MTB2/stoyfiche.html

    "Features :
    Hydraulic monotube shock with 3-way valving
    Adjustments: high and low-speed compression damping, rebound damping
    Can be completely disassembled, serviced and re-built
    Custom-tuned to match rider weight, style and bike
    Aluminium reservoir housing, sealhead, body, preload collar and eyelet
    12mm shaft diameter
    Needle-bearing mount kit"

    You may be also aware that they started doing replacement cartridges for 888's and Boxxers, so it's not like they came out of the blue. You may also be aware these guys are making mtb suspension from a few years ago.

    http://www.bos-engineering.com/english/historique.html

    At any rate, if you mean the forks are not tunable, I can't comment on that one, but I really would find it odd.

    To each his own, I guess...
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    Just a quick thank you to pergamonx & unsolizited.
    Dipper had told me that the 160 Deville could be reduced to 140 , but it would not be worth it & that that the 140 could not be opened out to 160.So it was good to have some extra details.
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