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    I asked Roger at R53 about this and he said 140mm or 160mm.I would email Bos direct and see what they say.

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    I got my Deville yesterday. Just in time for Valentine's Day

    The quality of the details is astonishing. I almost wet myself while looking at it.
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    Hi BikeBert, is it the 160mm?? Do you know the height of the fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmpoliveira
    Hi BikeBert, is it the 160mm?? Do you know the height of the fork?
    yes, it is 160. what height do you need. I'll measure it for you.
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    For those wondering what the fuss is regarding the loose hub issues these pics give good clarification. When you screw the axle in you'll notice there's not much of a lever so you can't apply a great deal of force. The wee hole that runs vertically through the lever is to allow you to insert an Allen key for a bit more leverage should you require it.
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    Thank you!! Is the measure from the top of the fork to the middle of the axle.

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    From the top of the fork to the middle of the axle: 545mm

    Length of the sterer tube: 217mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by hmpoliveira
    Thank you!! Is the measure from the top of the fork to the middle of the axle.
    Deville 160 has a axle to crown height of 550.

    R53 should be able to convert 160 to 150 for you, but why not just run a bit more sag instead?

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    160 - 545mm
    140 - 525mm

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    Had my first ride out on mine today, in a word, sublime

    Very much looking forward to the Stoy Air

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    What are the standard settings they recommend

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    15 clicks from closed for the 3 settings

    Weight

    <55kg 3.5 bar min

    >105kg 8 bar max

    With increments in-between

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    Now all you boys carrying little allen keys, now I can see, and as dipper says the pics tell a thousand words, I would have put something more substantial through the handle slot for leverage, no problem then :-) I am no longer concerned :-)

    Any more actual, objective comparisons from rides?

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    I'm running mine on a Hope hub, no probs so far just going finger tight, out of the box and running .5 of a bar less than suggested, haven't touched any of the dials and it's a very noticeable improvement over my dual air Revelation, I was actually pretty happy with the Rev and found it hard to justify changing me fork (revs only 10 month old) but chuffed I did, I'm far from a leet uber rider but the BOS is so confident in the manner it soaks things up I can't see myself changing for a long long time and eagerly await the stoy air.

    One negative compared to the Rev, the TRC on the BOS does what it says it's supposed to do as in it changes the fork to a 110 curve, it doesnt cut out bob when heading uphill on a firetrack the the compression adjust on the Rev does, although given the whole package of the fork it's a minor gripe
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    They look stunning, the adjusters look robust and well made maybe fox should take a leaf out of their book they new high/low speed adjusters are ******* **** ***** ***** **** *****!!!!!

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    New Axle design here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsolizited
    New Axle design here.
    New prices too...
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    170mm tapered,Would like to know the Axle to crown height.Could be usefull if my next build goes to plan.

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    I placed an order for a tapered set of stantions a few weeks ago and expect delivery in March.
    The lack of TLR should reduce weight slightly and increase to 170mm is welcomed. Hope this new info doesnt actually mean I need completely new forks! (ouch!)
    Price of rear shock seems reasonable and includes custom shim stack too I heard - no adjustable compression, only rebound I recall. Its light though too.....

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    I want the new thru-axle upgrade for sure... and the air shock is looking good... will definitely be placing an order for one, hopefully it will be officially announced very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy
    I placed an order for a tapered set of stantions a few weeks ago and expect delivery in March.
    The lack of TLR should reduce weight slightly and increase to 170mm is welcomed. Hope this new info doesnt actually mean I need completely new forks! (ouch!)
    Price of rear shock seems reasonable and includes custom shim stack too I heard - no adjustable compression, only rebound I recall. Its light though too.....
    The lack of TLR? Do you have to drag him up the hill also? How do you plan on getting rid of him?
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    Just noticed NDEE 160mm,i suppose thats coil sprung,would be sweet.
    Perfect

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    Oh no wish I hadn't seen this, all the reasons I didn't buy have gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    The lack of TLR? Do you have to drag him up the hill also? How do you plan on getting rid of him?
    LOL. That's funny.

    New fork improvements look good. Lighter n'dee would be great for AFR or ST. Axle improvement for Deville is welcome but not essential..... I can manage ok with the existing design. 170mm version is interesting. Air shock must try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger
    LOL. That's funny.

    New fork improvements look good. Lighter n'dee would be great for AFR or ST. Axle improvement for Deville is welcome but not essential..... I can manage ok with the existing design. 170mm version is interesting. Air shock must try.
    oops - accidental mistake <ahem>................

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    i'm lurking just waiting for the failures to commence.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    there is no escape from me...

    i'm lurking just waiting for the failures to commence.......
    TLR, now you can die happy

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    Are they yours Bikebert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Are they yours Bikebert?
    Hell no... I just wanted to bring some happiness to TLR's sad live...
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    Ouch! Was it a JRA?
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    oh dear......................

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    WTF! A broken mountain bike part!? Nooooooooooo..............can't be?

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    Only two rides in so far, but absolutely stoked with BOS suspension. Filthy conditions but still getting loads of grip even with dry tyres. Devilles are very composed, ride high in their travel but are very plush. Getting more pop off lips with Stoy compared to CCDB. Running 350lb spring (95kg rider) and two turns of preload giving 40 per cent sag. All settings left as standard.

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    Crash on a big bike? is that ndee's?
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    Look like Ndee/Idylle (same part) lowers to me.

    Please guys lets not feed the troll.

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    Ndee and Idylle do use the same lowers.

    It'll be interesting to see how the Deville's perform in the long run. Am I right in thinking they're a sealed cartridge forks unlike the Idylle's?

    I was lucky enough to own an Idylle Pro which initially was a fantastic fork but BOS got it majorly wrong hence them moving onto open bath designs with the later Idylle's.

    Even my Rare's from last season weren't without their faults but generally once you get them set up they're brilliant.

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    Deville has an open bat cartridge.

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    few rides so far, made hell of adjustment for my vivid air and in the end running almost 37-40 percent sag with o adjustment to initial or end stroke rebount and low spd compression. and the fork still on factory setting with only increase of 2 clicks which means only - 13 for low speed compression ( rebound and high spd comp is still - 15) , as it seems to bouncing alot more during loose rocky areas, and again, increasing furthur ... front wheel traction - IT JUST GETS BETTER!!! ...

    ill try more stuff this week end. 6 rides so far...

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    Dipper have you convinced someone (or yourself ) into a stoy & Idylle/RaRe setup yet??

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    Not yet! However, running the stoy/n'dee gives me a good idea as the ndee is essentially a single crown idylle. It'll rock I'm sure
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    Riding with a stoy/Idylle yesterday on my cousins morewood.

    All I could hear was the freaking shocks rebound tweeting like a Budgie. All normal apparently.

    Super plush forks, and having 'BOS' setup must have been the reason he was faster than me

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    MBUK Wrecked & Rated Supertest

    2011 Trail forks group test in this months MBUK including the BOS Deville & N'dee.

    MBUK BOS Deville.pdf

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    I just became even more exited at the thought of a Deville/Stoy combo :-)

    Hopefully the 2011 graphics will be available too :-)

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    I have alway's wanted to bring these forks in but no distributor in US and they don't return
    email it to bad we could sell a lot of them here in the states

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Riding with a stoy/Idylle yesterday on my cousins morewood.

    All I could hear was the freaking shocks rebound tweeting like a Budgie. All normal apparently.

    Super plush forks, and having 'BOS' setup must have been the reason he was faster than me
    you ridden anything with a fox setup to compare mate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    I just became even more exited at the thought of a Deville/Stoy combo :-)

    Hopefully the 2011 graphics will be available too :-)
    Highly recommended. Cheaper if you buy together. Nice balance and I have just left everything on stock settings except for air pressure.

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    My Devilles are stunning,Have increased the LSC now,Its 10 clicks from fully closed.

    26mile ride Sunday,Performed brilliantly,Takes out everything.

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    I read somewhere (but I can't remember where) that the new lower price for the Devilles was just temporary and that the price will go back up when the new 2011 version is released. If anyone is thinking about a set it might be worth buying them sooner rather than later

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    what about air pressure? my Deville seems to be pretty hard when set according to recommended settings. Even when I pump it 15 PSI less it's still hard. I expected more plush ride from it. any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeBert
    what about air pressure? my Deville seems to be pretty hard when set according to recommended settings. Even when I pump it 15 PSI less it's still hard. I expected more plush ride from it. any thoughts?
    Mine are now set about 10 psi below what they reccomend.

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    What do you expect ? It's a race fork ffs

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    Not sure race= hard/harsh.

    Ccdb is a race shock but it doesn't have to be hard. Donyou mean the recommendation will be for a race situation a la Nico's view of the world.

    I presume the TRC (is that the acronym) is off

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    Talking of trc, what's the intention behind it's use in your opinion?

    I thought it might have been to allow the use of very low pressure but still prevent bottoming out on bigger hits?

    Thought about ordering my new one without trc for weight saving and less complexity to go wrong.

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    Isn't it to allow extension and traction in climbing but minimise bob rather than just reduce fork height/travel.

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    I run mine with it on most of the time,Only on very rough/rocky sections do i activate full travel.

    Still takes out the small stuff,and gives you extra kick of stuff.

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    I can see very little difference with TRC on and off. The only difference is the less bob when I'm going uphill and pedal in standing position. Still, the difference is minimal. I would go with no TRC if there was a choice when I bought it.
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    Are you guys liking the Deville, sensing a cooling of the initial flush of gushes, I want to hear the gushes ;-)

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    Mines a very noticeable upgrade over my RS dual air, very much looking forward to the Stoy Air coming out

    The forum muppet will be along in a mo to talk about pedal strike and how these don't compare to Fox

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    He has already spouted some drivel at the top of the page. Wish he'd put his money where his mouth is and sod off to the ibis forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    Are you guys liking the Deville, sensing a cooling of the initial flush of gushes, I want to hear the gushes ;-)
    Liking? It absolutely rocks.....much better than anything else in its class. Agree with MBUK and Dirt's findings on this occasion.

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    Loving mine.Took a few rides to feel brilliant,Adjusters that you can actually feel what they are adjusting.Took a while to set up,but now its just riding them.Better feeling than the Revs they replaced
    Love riding my AC with these on,seem to be a good match to the double barrel.

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    and for a bit of perspective, the RS Revelation RLT won best trail fork in MBUK, not the Deville. That won big hitting fork for fat bar stewards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    and for a bit of perspective, the RS Revelation RLT won best trail fork in MBUK, not the Deville. That won big hitting fork for fat bar stewards.
    Just to add a thought for thoughts sake TLR, I very much doubt that Bos advertise as much as RS do in MBUK, I bet a Specialized won best bike?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    look at me, look at me, I've got something to say, it's not relevant or useful but I can't help myself so I'm going to say it anyway, look at me, look at me.
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    He has to get his opinions from somewhere as he has not ridden them properly

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    Fitted the BOS Suspension today. Along with a new -1.2deg headset from Saar. Took me a while to get happy with the front, kept thinking their was play in the headset, even took it all out again after checking multiple times and struggling to figure it out. Then I remembered something about seals, bushings on here and lack of stiction. On feeling the uppers you do just get that first couple of mm with no resistance, it was that I could feel, when I supported the fork, it went away and I could be sure the headset was preloaded correctly

    Did a few endo's on the drive to check all was well with the feel, and the baby bird in the rear shock starts chirping!

    Forks set as per recommended do feel pretty firm off the bat.

    Ride soon to do a proper test :-)
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    FWIW if you ask Mojo in the UK to tune your forks or damper, they will typically set it up 15%-20% harder than other tuners will. Have a look at their spring calculator for instance and then compare the results to say TF Tuned's.

    I think that's where TLR is coming from; the perception that speed and comfort are not the same thing and that often what's comfortable isn't always as fast as what's not.

    The trade off I guess is less grip; like an F1 car. You can set it up for maximum grip or maximum speed, but one tends to preclude the other? Maybe?

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    Budgey chirping annoying but entirley normal with the stoy.

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    No budgie chirping from mine TF stopped the chirping as part of the original tune, I bought it from them, I remember them mentioning it specifically.

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    BOS 2012 LINE UP here:

    http://www.azfreeride.com/daily/view/28-2012-bos-linup

    Sorry guys can't get the photos up?? Thanks for fixing.
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    I do like the 2012 graphIcs, want to get some when available.

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    Yeah the 2012 graphics look really classy, I thought my 2011 Deville's look good but the 'Deville' graphic looks a bit cheap now!! (good job the internals aren't and that's what counts )

    Mine are covered in biketape now, is it possible to remove this graphic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    I do like the 2012 graphIcs, want to get some when available.
    just give Owen at slikgraphics a mail im sure he'd be able to knock you up a set

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    Would I Find him ont interweb &shakeyakey

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    @Gary_am I wonder what they did at TF, I could imagine it properly annoying me if I'm not careful, I'll probably always think there's a squeak.

    I would have thought that Roger at BOS would have sorted that out, if its something that should be sorted, it is after all a custom shock? Even if it is the bottom of the coil range

    I've got to lose a half a kilo off my belly to make up for putting it on over the air version

    Dipper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    Would I Find him ont interweb &shakeyakey
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    Okay let me put a question out to all of you Bos is not offering TLC on the 140mm
    Deville is that bad or good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    Okay let me put a question out to all of you Bos is not offering TLC on the 140mm
    Deville is that bad or good?
    I use the TLC a lot,Nearly always run it on.Only time i flick it off is for very rocky or rooty descents.

    It reduces travel and still allows full sensitivity for small bumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    Okay let me put a question out to all of you Bos is not offering TLC on the 140mm
    Deville is that bad or good?
    I always run it off, but only ride very rooty and rocky downhill tracks

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    Okay it going to be put on a AC and will be trail and AM riding still waiting for them to explain why they are not going to offer it on the 140 and will offer it on the 160

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    Mine is on an AC,used for trail/XC and mild all mountain.

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    so the question should I still order it not having TLC

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    so the question should I still order it not having TLC

    Yes they are very rideable with out it.I ran mine for a few months without using it until i was happy with the other settings.

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    I use the "TRC" for long sustained non-technical climbs or flat roads... I turn it off when ripping singletrack.

    Has anyone heard of the availability date for the BOS VIP'r air shock? BOS' website is not showing any information.... thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretch
    I use the "TRC" for long sustained non-technical climbs or flat roads... I turn it off when ripping singletrack.

    Has anyone heard of the availability date for the BOS VIP'r air shock? BOS' website is not showing any information.... thx.
    When i spoke to Roger im sure he said April....so soon

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    Can't believe they've released a Stoy Rare! And I haven't even used my Stoy yet!

    Anyone want to buy a brand spanking new Stoy for an AM .

    Might have to change the decals on my Devilles for the new ones as they do look mean .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdr08
    Can't believe they've released a Stoy Rare! And I haven't even used my Stoy yet!

    Anyone want to buy a brand spanking new Stoy for an AM .

    Might have to change the decals on my Devilles for the new ones as they do look mean .

    Liking the new Deville decals aswell,Thinking about the VIP'r for the AC

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Liking the new Deville decals aswell,Thinking about the VIP'r for the AC
    I'm thinking exactly the same thing. Just glad I never bought a Monarch or RP23 for my AC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdr08
    I'm thinking exactly the same thing. Just glad I never bought a Monarch or RP23 for my AC.
    The problem i have is the CCDB,it is amazing on my AC.But its a bit heavy for a trail bike rear shock,I dont really want to lose the feel and traction the CCDB gives.


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    Sdr08... lend me your Stoy if your not going to use it

    No matter how good the air shock is, I suspect it will still feel like an air shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
    Sdr08... lend me your Stoy if your not going to use it

    No matter how good the air shock is, I suspect it will still feel like an air shock.


    Nothing and I mean nothing beats a coil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
    Sdr08... lend me your Stoy if your not going to use it

    No matter how good the air shock is, I suspect it will still feel like an air shock.
    Nae problem Pimp. Just lend me a big wad of cash and you can easily borrow the Stoy.

    I agree the air shock will never feel as good as a coil but I can get away with that on my 140mm trail bike.

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    Sam, You know who to call if you want shot of that knackered CCDB.

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    I've emailed silkgraphics to see if he can make some 2012 BOS decals as it may be a while before you can get them from BOS.

    Let me know if anyone else may want some and I can let him know.

    NCIG, you could always get the long travel Deville and have Roger make it 140 like they did previously. That way you get TRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot
    I've emailed silkgraphics to see if he can make some 2012 BOS decals as it may be a while before you can get them from BOS.

    Let me know if anyone else may want some and I can let him know.

    NCIG, you could always get the long travel Deville and have Roger make it 140 like they did previously. That way you get TRC.
    I dont think Roger does the conversion,He had to wait for mine to come in to the UK.He had 160mm instock at the time.

    Would be interested in a new decal pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Sam, You know who to call if you want shot of that knackered CCDB.
    My mate has an AC on order and has first dibs on it,But he is ordering a Monarch plus to try,will wait until i can have a go on that.

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