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    Its great to see some alternatives to RS Marz Fox who have dominated shox for the last 20 years?

    Up front we now have the above plus BOS, Manitou and X Fusion with offerings and out back BOS X Fusion Elka and Cane Creek have come to the party. We should all celebrate the choice available at the mo.

    Im keen to hear opinions on the BOS from those who have ridden it (thanks to those who have) and will offer one when I have. If everyone else did that it would be a much easier thread to pick through
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karve
    Up front we now have the above plus BOS, Manitou
    Manitou is out of the Trailbike competition for the moment (read: no fork for say, a Helius AC).

    Same for X-Fusion... Their Vengeance has the A2C of a 180mm fork!!!

    Too bad. I really wanted to go with something from either of them.
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    one of my mates bought a bos deville from dipper and reports the left leg adjustment dial fouls the frame at full lock.
    he's now taken it off and rotated it thro 180 degrees to stop any frame damage........

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    on what frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    one of my mates bought a bos deville from dipper and reports the left leg adjustment dial fouls the frame at full lock.
    he's now taken it off and rotated it thro 180 degrees to stop any frame damage........
    What? He fitted the fork backwards?
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    I'm guessing it's paddys turner 6-pack?

    I had the same on my afr with the 66. Real pain in the ass. Had to keep the adjusters in my pocket. Was only a matter of time before they went AWOL!
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    Picked up a Pair of DeVilles today. Cheers Dipper!

    A bit of a geeky post by me, but I'm a man that craves details, so I hope someone finds it informative...... My first Impressions:

    The appearance of the fork isn't bad but I would say the 2011 fox beats it in terms of paint finish and decal quality. Up close though its a different story. A huge improvement over the N'dee/Idylle, and side by side to my Lyriks there is no contest. All adjustment controls appear and feel first class. One special mention goes to the axle, a thing of true beauty and simplicity.



    Onto the scales and they save just over 400g
    The A2C is the same as the Lyriks.
    Interestingly the steerer is quite short. Amazingly I didn't have to chop it down as it measured EXACTLY the same as my previous forks!


    One thing to note which has been mentioned above is that of the positioning of TRC lever on the left hand leg.
    On the AM it will foul the DT.


    No big problem though as you can just unscrew the air cap and reposition the lever.



    No trail action yet, but initial feeling is the fork feels typically BOS. The TRC feels 'clever' and I'm looking forwards to trying it out. Obvious characteristics are that of amazing small bump sensitivity (out the box!), very good front traction, and true to initial reports, the fork rides high in its travel despite running 45-50mm of static sag.




    Full ride report to follow, but I'm afraid I'm not very good with words
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Onto the scales
    F@ck my Revelation, I'm selling them out and getting one of these... it's got the weight of a SID!!!!
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    bos must have left out the internals from them i think!
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    RPM me think you want to weigh those again! with out sky hooks.....

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    Haha pmsl, uploaded wrong pic! Oops. More like 2080g. Better delete to save confusion.

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    Sorry RPM was funny.

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    Stupid Park scales. Smaller than a postage stamp. I was trying to balance them upright and in that shot the lowers must have been touching the floor.
    I can just imagine a weight weenie some where picking himself off the floor after seeing the pic

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    I've just sold 3 sets due to that pic
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    is the axle rake / offset more than a fox 36 ?
    it looks further forward extended than my 36's ?

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    Good question, Tlr. I Would say the axle is offset maybe only slightly further forwards. But only guessing....maybe 3-4mm? I'll have a look tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    I've just sold 3 sets due to that pic


    rpm... it's all in good mood, man. That was really funny.

    Thanks for the input. That fork looks delicious and I thought VERY seriously about it. Biggest cons were price (obviously) and that white just mismatches with my Schwarzolive colour. Yeah, that matters and put the Lyrik Solo Air and the Float 36 out of contention too
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    warp, how about getting them stripped and painted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger
    warp, how about getting them stripped and painted?
    Back to inconvenient number one... price. They're expensive (though no more than a top of the line 36 or Lyrik) and then sending the fork to paint, paying another 100 bucks or so more, wait time, lost warranty, etc.

    A nightmare just for looks.

    Also, I bought the Revelation already, so I don't have another fork scheduled for the next three years unless I win the lotto.
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    all Bos'd up

    all bos'd up
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails BOS suspension-afr.jpg  

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    Really cool AFR you've got there Dipper!

    I am very interested to hear your thoughts on Stoy vs Double Barrel!

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    Ah finally well you know I love it on mine, I await your verdict.....

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    lol @ dipper.

    forks selected for decals to match [hideous] frame colours........

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Picked up a Pair of DeVilles today.

    Full ride report to follow, but I'm afraid I'm not very good with words
    I am really interested in that, please let us know
    I am planning to buy a deville for my AM as well in the spring for the next season.

    Thanks!

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    SIK rpm100 - cant wait to hear a full ride report
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikael_nr1
    Really cool AFR you've got there Dipper!

    I am very interested to hear your thoughts on Stoy vs Double Barrel!
    It's a difficult one that and it may be months before I get my head round it. The ccdb relies on the rider being clued up and properly interpreting the feed back they get and being able set up the shock to suit. I thought I had it reasonably well sussed but the bos appears to take a different direction to where i headed with the ccdb so I wonder if I ever had it right. And that's the biggest snag with the ccdb. You'll always wonder if you missing something.

    My plan is to try the ccdb and stoy back to back and see if I can get the ccdb to perform like the stoy and do a comparison from there. I'm not saying the stoy is better, just that I'd like to know if they can be made to feel the same. If they can
    then it might give me a better idea on which direction to go with the ccdb. At the moment the ccdb works very well but lacks the pop and energy of the stoy. The stoy seems just as planted as the ccdb though

    without saying ones better than the other, what I would say is that straight out the
    box, with minimal tweaks, the stoy feels much better than the ccdb. So far all I've done to the stoy is add 2 clicks of lsc to rein in pedal induced bobbing which it's done.

    If youre not particularly analytical or not interested in how things work as long as
    they work, then the stoy is for you.

    While tring not to drone on in a non committal manner! I would also say that the effect of the front end on how the rear feels cant be underestimated either. I changed both fork and shock at the same time which is not really fair when trying to compare shocks. The n'dee is without a doubt the best fork I've ridden and it may be that it's natural stability(in that it doesn't give the same continual front to rear weight shift that most forks do) is giving the stoy less to do. So again, I'd like to try the ccdb with the n'dee up front.

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    Looks nice Dipper.

    TLR the ford motor company used to have the same colour range as you but then they modernised.......

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    GaryAm was it you who once said:

    S**toy = Fit and forget.
    CCDB = Fit and Fiddle.

    A perfect description of the two products.
    I'm definitely in the latter camp.

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    Dble post delete.

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    dipper, good comments, Thanks.

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    Going to try dropping the air pressure on mine by another 5psi today and increase the LSC and HSC,see how that feels.Feels good at the moment but there is no harm in experimenting.

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    First ride yesterday, left all settings as factory. Full report when I get on a keyboard.

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    Sam, what weight are you and what Pressures are you looking at?

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    I am running 115psi and i weigh 225lbs,they are 140mm Devilles so its meant to be +1bar compared to the 160mm versions.

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    You guys are probably ahead of me on this. I have just read that Nicolai are now offering a CCDB with a custom tune with different shims. Who knows more about this and what differences does it make?

    Dipper, is your CCDB standard or custom tune?

    Simon, can you comment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger
    You guys are probably ahead of me on this. I have just read that Nicolai are now offering a CCDB with a custom tune with different shims. Who knows more about this and what differences does it make?

    Dipper, is your CCDB standard or custom tune?

    Simon, can you comment?
    Never heard of a custom CCDB,it might come with the adjustments preset,so theres a very good starting point.

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    norcosam, it's mentioned in the 2011 catalogue...double page spread.

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    That was me....

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    I spoke to Malcolm at Cane creek when i was looking at the Helius AM and asked if it was worth sending my standard CCDB shock back for the custom valving and he said no. I got the distict impresion there is no custom shim stack, only custom default settings.

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    Well tonight I'm going to sell my 2001 fox float, and buy some devilles to go with my stoy shock.

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    I'm getting my ccdb custom foot printed to suit my weight and the helius am leverage ratios by Dave of Stendec fame next week.
    Dippers always preferred soggy shock action whereas ive alwayd preferred amore dynamic shock with POP and spring. A more sprightly sensation for me ad I'm still a hard tail rider..
    I was always told thr ccdb didnt need custom tuning but talking with Dave has me excited about thr mod....

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    Excuse the spelling... my phone is less accurate than my keyboard.

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    Oh....GarryAM. my next bike will not be black and my ti hardtails are au naturale...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    I'm getting my ccdb custom foot printed to suit my weight and the helius am leverage ratios by Dave of Stendec fame next week.
    Dippers always preferred soggy shock action whereas ive alwayd preferred amore dynamic shock with POP and spring. A more sprightly sensation for me ad I'm still a hard tail rider..
    I was always told thr ccdb didnt need custom tuning but talking with Dave has me excited about thr mod....
    There's a big difference between 'soggy' and soft. With the ccdb and stoy the spring rate tends to be softer than other shocks. They both run soft(lighter springs) but should also be composed and respond well to pedalling. Soggy, doesn't respond well to anything.

    If all you want is a firm spring action then fit a stiffer spring and run at the lowest travel setting. Be interesting to see what Dave does with it but I bet it'll still run soft as that's how the ccdb is designed to run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    There's a big difference between 'soggy' and soft. With the ccdb and stoy the spring rate tends to be softer than other shocks. They both run soft(lighter springs) but should also be composed and respond well to pedalling. Soggy, doesn't respond well to anything.

    If all you want is a firm spring action then fit a stiffer spring and run at the lowest travel setting. Be interesting to see what Dave does with it but I bet it'll still run soft as that's how the ccdb is designed to run.
    Not what he explained. He suggested s lower spring rate controlling on the damping circuits. I want spring and POP and he is foot printing to suit me, I hope....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    Not what he explained. He suggested s lower spring rate controlling on the damping circuits. I want spring and POP and he is foot printing to suit me, I hope....!
    A lower spring rate. Exactly! That's what you refer to as soggy! The control has to come from the damping as a spring has no control of it's own.

    If you want 'spring and pop' then you don't need quality damping. Save yourself a fortune and buy a cheap shock. However if you want control then you need a shock with quality damping set up to suit you and the bike.
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    the problem is everyone wants something different from their suspension and forever your settings have been sh1t in feel for me...........

    i am stunned however that you seem to like the bos feel which is totally alien to your previous settings being soft and soggy.....

    whatever, i know what i like and how i expect it to perform and will re-iterate this to Stendec Dave tomorrow

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    Be interested to hear how that goes TLR/.

    (ps. couldn't resist the black bike joke).

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    indeed - i'm looking forward to giving /Stendec my feedback on the standard ccdb performance on the AM as i've tracked all the settings and their effect / feel / problems on the AM [esp, the pedal strike]....

    dave has suggested a number of solutions dependant on the information i send him but he's keen for me to try a 50lb spring rate reduction in collaboration with the valving adjustments he intends to make for my preference.

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    TLR, how much do they charge?

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