I already posted my thoughts on the BOS stuff, but I'd like to make things clear for some narrow minded people.
First, my bike:
Second, I deal with things I've tried, some should do the same. I'm French, sorry (but I'll try to write in English ), I own a BOS N'Dee fork and an AFR.
First of all, I own this fork for one year now and the thing is that it works as well as last year. Those forks have been made to require as less maintenance as possible. I looked at mine a month ago and the oil was almost as clear as new. I called BOS to know when I should send them for a complete service and within 48h they answered "when it will need it, maybe next year". Clear enough.
Moreover, I ride my bike almost every week end, I race DH, and I am also a bit tired of the marketing thing (Kashima coating, tapered headtubes, hydroformed tubes, etc.). But you need to understand the Bos stuff was thought in the only goal of performance (and it works since I improved my times).
And basically that's all I needed: reliability and performance.
But you can add the fact that it's the nicest piece of engineering for mtb forks. I mean, you should really compare it to the mass production forks...
As said before, the after sales service has been great so far and if the English importer is reliable there won't be any problem because the guys at Bos know their thing.
To finish my fork weights in at 3 kg, which is normal for a DH fork, even if it could be improved.
And I'd like to add that I don't spend my cash for something which is only beautiful or fashionable. Cf SLX cranks, etc. I decided to pay the price for something that could make me faster and I got what I wanted. At the moment I'm collecting money to get the Stoy.
Edit: I won't answer on the prejudices about French products since as almost everywhere, there are both good and bad things. And sorry in advance for the language mistakes.
SowX, good comments and the English is better than some of the Scott's. Great looking bike.
your bike pic never worked(at least i can't see it anyway)
to pick up on your comment about the UK importer. I've had quite a bit of communication with him(Roger Estrada at R53 engineering) and he comes across as a real nice lad and is very clued up on suspension in general. he's been taking a look at the AFR and it's suspension characteristics in order to sort out my Stoy. He's been very patient also with all my daft and ignorant questions. so far so good
makes all the difference when the suppliers are clued up and approachable. A lot are just sales types with no real passion for the sport. On saying that i dont know how much Roger knows about the mtb scene but he's certainly passionate about suspension
for those that dont know who the importer is - http://www.r53engineering.com/
I know I've already said it but that AFR is probably the most sensible build I've seen, congrats!
The N'dee seems like a really good fork, I would love to have one in 160mm. It's too heavy to put on my Helius AM though, and I'm more or less allergic to air forks, so the devilles are a no go.
The options then narrow down to Fox, RS and Magura.
Dipper - the N-dee's will look fab on the Koi... but the Stoy is going to ming
With the 1-1/8" steerer you can lose that boat anchor of a stem
Are you going for the Cane Creek angle-set to play with the headtube angle?
Dipper, has the snow cleared yet? Interested in your BOS review. Have you tested the 2011 Fox 36 Van yet, as a point of reference?
aye youre right. you'd think they'd colour coordinate them a bit better! maybe have to sort it with a rattle can from halfords
Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
it's running a straitline 1.5 stem at the moment which is pretty light. I take it you mean the 1.5 sunline that I had on it for a bit? it was a boat anchor!
and yes I plan on fitting an angle set to have a play.
snows still here but got a bit of a shift today. Forecasts not good for during the week though. Not set eyes on the forks yet either. they should be in next week.
I've done some rides on the 2011 36 float 180RLC. No surprise that it feels much the same as the 160. feels well supported but not as silky smooth as the 2010 66RC3ti. As well as those 2 I've also tried on the AFR - 2008 66 ATA, 2009 66 RC3 and a lyric 170 DH. None of them are bad forks(apart from reliabilty issues on the ATA but I sorted that). the only one I couldnt get on with was the lyric. I think if you're weight happens to fall within the right range it could be a good fork but I couldnt get a spring that worked. the medium was way too soft and the hard, way too hard!
Alright mate mint looking bike by the way, was just curious have you tried climbing on the FR with the fox in 180 mode? was planning on getting a float 180 for my FR as like the idea of the weight saving, is it going to be a pain in the arse to climb in full travel? Other option was maybe get a float 180 and adjust it to 170mm for trail then back to 180 for the mega etc. Your input would be great cheers.
Originally Posted by olive
Originally Posted by shakeyakey
i used an FR with 180 forks for quite a while(66's). suited it better imo. never noticed any issues climbing either. 10 mins changes the fox's 2 160 as well if you find it too tall
hi RPM I have heard about budgie type noises coming from the Stoy however this was something that TF tuned sorted out simply at the very start before I even picked up the shock.
TLR the shock would not suit you, there's not enough faffing about before you actually get to ride the bike and because you can actually get the setup with the correct sag you'd have pedal strike city.
dipper, please could you arrange for a shoot-out between the following:
Fox 36 Float and Van
Marz. 55 RC3 ti ???
I will buy the winner from you.
Originally Posted by Garry AM
i'm back to the monarch with increased air pressure.
the ccdb although sublime in action was a compromise...
its going to get footprinted and possibly have higher viscosity damping oil fitted in the next couple of months in order to improve the mid-stroke control.....
i can only hope for improved performance....
my 6 pack in retrospect, was sublime on the ccdb in comparison.
shame my AM is one of the originals on old fashioned 200x51 levers.....possibly time for a change......
oops! was taking the piss out of the wrong person! Sorry ryates
Last edited by dipper; 12-14-2010 at 02:03 PM.
oh well, it was a long shot!
Seriously, there is a lack of comparative test information available on these forks.
Dipper, out of that list are there any that you will be able to make comparisons with, when eventually you are able to test the BOS Deville?
I'm down off my high horse now Ryates.
I can compare pretty well with the Fox's and and marzocchi but not the other 2. It would be great to be able to try them all back to back but it's too expensive and time consuming. Also, what i like might not be what anyone else likes. If you're a faster, slower, lighter, heavier rider, that'll change the character of the fork. I know some proper fast riders that ride with suspesion thats very stiff but as i'm very much average i cant get away with that
I will compare them best as i can though
All I got today was a new oven seal.
What's it going on?
Executive User - UK
You'll love em.
Had mine on my spicy and now moving them to a specialized carbon enduro
My stoy and n'dees are all fitted up but have no where to go very impressed with the build quality. Especially the stoy and deville. N'dees looks more basic as it does without fancy machined levers. The dials and the lowers look functional whereas the deville looks more 'engineered'.
Stoy with steel spring is weighing in at the same weight as my ccdb with ti spring which was a surprise. N'dees is a fraction heavier than my rc3ti.
Roll on rideable trails!
Anyone with a scale shot showing the weight of the devilles (160mm)? Need to know how close to 2kg they come in at. I've heard their weighing more than stated.