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    hey?

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    Got a Deville on my Mojo HD.

    Any idea what is the stock oil (brand, viscosity) BOS uses to fill these up at the factory?

    Thanks!

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    Are the devilles user serviceable ?

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    Havent seen any information about it.Would be nice to be able to do the standard oil change after the first year.

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    Owner's manual says:
    "3.4 oil Change
    Apply to a Bos MTB authorized service center to proceeed to tha oil change"


    So yeah, you can do it by yourself.

    http://www.bosmtb.com/pdf/DevillnotissEN.pdf

    http://www.rouler.com.au/uploads/201...listoryLR2.pdf

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    Just had the first ride on the afr with stoy and n'dee. It's early days so I'll try not to get carried away untill I've had more time with them but so far I'm very impressed.

    Initially, after I'd fitted the fork and shock I was a bit underwhelmed at how they felt. Both were soft and a bit bouncy. Like there wasn't enough damping. I was tempted to start fiddling right away(this is a bad habit gained from years of riding ccdb's and forks with loads of twiddly bits) but thought I'd give Roger at r53 a shout first to see what he had to
    say. Basically, I was advised that this was normal and to wind my neck in and just ride
    the damn thing!

    So I did(after adding just a smidge preload to the fork).

    I had a few preconceived ideas as to what to expect after reading various reports so i expected good things. What I didn't expect was how different the bike would feel. I've tried loads of forks on the afr and while I liked the 66rc3ti best, the differences between all the top end forks I've tried are pretty subtle. The overall feel of the bike changes little. With the N'dee though it feels completey different. It's easily as plush as the 66 but is far more stable. It brakes, turns and ploughs through bumps without ever feeling like it's using travel. Geo remains very consistent in all situations. The steering feels lighter, like I'm running lighter wheels.

    The stoy is similar in feel to the n'dee. Very active without ever feeling bouncy. There's a bit of pedal induced bobbing in low gears with a low effort but up the gears and/or effort at it becomes quite stable. It contributes to the light feel and easy turning with it's liveliness. The ccdb had a far more planted, rock solid feel and while being an awesome shock it could never be described as lively.

    It's difficult to describe the overall effect. If someone described a bike as lively to me I'd assume it was either too stiff and skipping about or underdamped and bouncing about. The bos gear manages to be lively while being very well damped and very stable.

    Can't wait for drier trails but so far so good
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    dipper, interesting......keep the reports coming.

    norcosam, any feedback on the Devilles?

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    My turn,

    My Devilles are the 140 mm version.
    I have done about 30 miles on them so far,Varying terrain.
    The damping on them is quite different as Dipper noted,They feel very bouncy in the car park test,and even with the rebound on fully they are still quite active,I initially set mine up as i would any other fork and ignored the standard settings.Went for a quick blast on a piece of track i know very well,did a few fast runs and set it up how i would usually.Then after i had ridden it a few more times,so i knew how it felt,i changed it to the standard settings that Roger gave me,Very different to mine.Feels awful to bounce when stationary,like a pogo stick,as Dipper said like they have no oil in them.Went and rode the section again,Felt very good,very active,amazing amount of traction and very playfull,makes it easy to pop off things and hop over roots.
    I have now done about 30 more miles with the standard settings but have increased the Rebound by 2 clicks,The only thing that i couldnt get on with was there air pressure settings,i am running them at 10psi ,lower than reccomended.
    The forks sit high in there travel when riding and feel bottomless,yet you can use a lot of the available travel.They dont ramp up like a lot of air forks so feel quite linear.
    Rock gardens and roots are easily dealt with and these forks make you feel very confident and make you want to push you that bit faster.I hit rock gardens yesterday following my mate who usually leaves me on this section,i had to brake so i didnt run into the back of him,rode that piece 3 times and he couldnt keep up with me,Secret is brakes off and let the Forks do there job,they wont let you down.

    Waiting for the Bos Stoy Air to be released so i can try it.

    Just so you know i was running 2010 150mm dual air Rockshox team revelations with blackbox damping before these.

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    My own subjective findings of the deville has been absolutely first rate. Many of the things mentioned by dipper are true of the deville also, its incredibly plush, however it still rides high in its travel and its never felt uncomposed our out of its depth. Seems to be a bit bi-polar in that one minute its an incredible cross country fork capable of superbly tracking the ground on high speed runs and the next its coping with massive hits from 6-8ft drops.
    After living with it for a couple of months I understand when people say Bos shocks only use the travel they need to and not any more. It doesnt wallow or droop at all.
    Excellent product - no way I could ever go back to fox/rockshox after this.
    I understand the air damped story rear is shipping March next year (although its been true for probably 18 months now!) - hopefully its true this time because it will be an awesome shock to have in comparison to the Vivid air.

    great stuff happening in MTBing right now.

    EDIT: Running Rockshox Lyrik Coil DH 170mm previously
    EDIT2: Running 20lbs less than recommended at 30% sag

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy
    My own subjective findings of the deville has been absolutely first rate. Many of the things mentioned by dipper are true of the deville also, its incredibly plush, however it still rides high in its travel and its never felt uncomposed our out of its depth. Seems to be a bit bi-polar in that one minute its an incredible cross country fork capable of superbly tracking the ground on high speed runs and the next its coping with massive hits from 6-8ft drops.
    After living with it for a couple of months I understand when people say Bos shocks only use the travel they need to and not any more. It doesnt wallow or droop at all.
    Excellent product - no way I could ever go back to fox/rockshox after this.
    I understand the air damped story rear is shipping March next year (although its been true for probably 18 months now!) - hopefully its true this time because it will be an awesome shock to have in comparison to the Vivid air.

    great stuff happening in MTBing right now.

    EDIT: Running Rockshox Lyrik Coil DH 170mm previously
    EDIT2: Running 20lbs less than recommended at 30% sag
    Noticed that you are running less than the reccomended pressure.Mine has hardly any sag when seated and has about 45mm when in the attack standing position.
    Hows the small bump response on yours,Mine are ok,but not brilliant,definetely the best feeling air fork i have ridden.

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    Sam, I've 70mm(180mm fork) sag when in the attack position(since added a preload spacer and it looks less now though). The coil fairly ramps up and because it sits so high when riding i dont think itll be an issue. It's fitted with the fat boy spring but I might order the uber fat boy spring to see what like
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    Small bump response is fantastic. I tried air pressures from recommended to probably +20psi and down to -40. I tried to find a balance of damping adjustment and base air pressure and settled at 20psi down from recommended. (Im 95kg BTW). With too high an air pressure you are right that small bump suffers noticeably. I;d try less pressure - the fork doesnt wallow even when you run it lower. It still doesnt bottom out harshly either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy
    Small bump response is fantastic. I tried air pressures from recommended to probably +20psi and down to -40. I tried to find a balance of damping adjustment and base air pressure and settled at 20psi down from recommended. (Im 95kg BTW). With too high an air pressure you are right that small bump suffers noticeably. I;d try less pressure - the fork doesnt wallow even when you run it lower. It still doesnt bottom out harshly either.
    I did try it a bit lower but it wasnt feeling that nice on steep stuff(going down it).
    Did yours feel better after bedding in?
    Might have another play with the settings.Have decreased the lsc by one click and hsc by 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    I did try it a bit lower but it wasnt feeling that nice on steep stuff(going down it).
    Did yours feel better after bedding in?
    Might have another play with the settings.Have decreased the lsc by one click and hsc by 2.
    The n'dee is free of all that adjustment there's screw slots for comp and rebound and that's yer lot! Visually and external adjustment wise the devil looks the more expensive fork. Notsure why the n'dee costs so much more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    The n'dee is free of all that adjustment there's screw slots for comp and rebound and that's yer lot! Visually and external adjustment wise the devil looks the more expensive fork. Notsure why the n'dee costs so much more!

    Must be the price of the Coil spring..

    The Deville is very well made,all adjusters are anodized aluminium.Looks very nice.
    Would like to go somewhere dry so i can really try them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    The n'dee is free of all that adjustment there's screw slots for comp and rebound and that's yer lot! Visually and external adjustment wise the devil looks the more expensive fork. Notsure why the n'dee costs so much more!
    The deville was a 1300EUR fork until recently when they dropped it to promote sales.
    Now theres a few out there and seemingly getting positive press they may increase pricing again. I wouldnt have bought blind at 1300EUR but having ridden one now I'd pay 500EUR more for it than its competitors.

    The ndee had a similar price discount a few months back to I understand but it was temporary. if I was building a 180mm bike Id have one no question about it.

    With regards the air pressure and the downs, I preferred lower pressure with more open damping than higher pressure and more closed damping. Think the fork just breathed better or something. It never felt too soft and still popped off lips nicely. It was perfectly mated with my CCDB on the SPicy and really allowed me to push that bike....

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    Be fair enough if it was ti! Still, it's shaping up to be the best fork I've tried so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    Be fair enough if it was ti! Still, it's shaping up to be the best fork I've tried so far.
    Steel is more expensive than air

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    I did get 3 steel springs I suppose. Shame I might need the 'xxx sumo' one as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy
    The deville was a 1300EUR fork until recently when they dropped it to promote sales.
    Now theres a few out there and seemingly getting positive press they may increase pricing again. I wouldnt have bought blind at 1300EUR but having ridden one now I'd pay 500EUR more for it than its competitors.

    The ndee had a similar price discount a few months back to I understand but it was temporary. if I was building a 180mm bike Id have one no question about it.

    With regards the air pressure and the downs, I preferred lower pressure with more open damping than higher pressure and more closed damping. Think the fork just breathed better or something. It never felt too soft and still popped off lips nicely. It was perfectly mated with my CCDB on the SPicy and really allowed me to push that bike....
    What roughly are your settings as there is only 5 kg between us.
    The price of the Deville is amazing at the moment,Glad i brought one at the discounted price,but it is probably worth the full price.
    Will see how long it lasts,it will be a keeper this fork

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    I did wonder about the price and the possibility of it going back up. Hopefully not as they're selling well. Might have to buy a few for stock just in case
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    I hate bank holidays. Just read this thread and it's driving me nuts waiting for my devilles
    Chaps, please do me a favour and pop up some pics.
    Pritty please.....I crave BOS.

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    Vikingboy, what comp/rebound settings are you running or did you leave stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    I crave BOS.
    They're possibly going to be on my shopping list too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    I hate bank holidays. Just read this thread and it's driving me nuts waiting for my devilles
    Chaps, please do me a favour and pop up some pics.
    Pritty please.....I crave BOS.

    rubbish picture because I didnt take any decent ones after building the bike with them and have now stripped it ready for a new inbound frame....sorry.


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    What's the new frame viking?

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    Thanks for the pic.
    The trail was so muddy today, no way I could of tested the performance anyhow.
    Here's my front d after 4 miles.

    Roll on the dry and dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    What's the new frame viking?
    Sworks carbon enduro.
    EAston carbon wheels, havoc 750mm carbon bars, 1x10, reverb......

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Thanks for the pic.
    The trail was so muddy today, no way I could of tested the performance anyhow.
    Here's my front d after 4 miles.
    Blimey where was that!
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    CC. Never known it so bad.

    The big thaw + Increased holiday traffic = Ruined trails.
    I'll be sticking to the 'off piste' for a while.

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    I hope surrey is not that bad today.....

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    ,,,,,top of Pitch Hill not too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    Just had the first ride on the afr with stoy and n'dee. It's early days so I'll try not to get carried away untill I've had more time with them but so far I'm very impressed.

    Initially, after I'd fitted the fork and shock I was a bit underwhelmed at how they felt. Both were soft and a bit bouncy. Like there wasn't enough damping. I was tempted to start fiddling right away(this is a bad habit gained from years of riding ccdb's and forks with loads of twiddly bits) but thought I'd give Roger at r53 a shout first to see what he had to
    say. Basically, I was advised that this was normal and to wind my neck in and just ride
    the damn thing!

    So I did(after adding just a smidge preload to the fork).

    I had a few preconceived ideas as to what to expect after reading various reports so i expected good things. What I didn't expect was how different the bike would feel. I've tried loads of forks on the afr and while I liked the 66rc3ti best, the differences between all the top end forks I've tried are pretty subtle. The overall feel of the bike changes little. With the N'dee though it feels completey different. It's easily as plush as the 66 but is far more stable. It brakes, turns and ploughs through bumps without ever feeling like it's using travel. Geo remains very consistent in all situations. The steering feels lighter, like I'm running lighter wheels.

    The stoy is similar in feel to the n'dee. Very active without ever feeling bouncy. There's a bit of pedal induced bobbing in low gears with a low effort but up the gears and/or effort at it becomes quite stable. It contributes to the light feel and easy turning with it's liveliness. The ccdb had a far more planted, rock solid feel and while being an awesome shock it could never be described as lively.

    It's difficult to describe the overall effect. If someone described a bike as lively to me I'd assume it was either too stiff and skipping about or underdamped and bouncing about. The bos gear manages to be lively while being very well damped and very stable.

    Can't wait for drier trails but so far so good

    Dipper you ridden (or have plans to ride) a dh bike running a Idylle and stoy setup? debating changing the setup on my Session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey
    Dipper you ridden (or have plans to ride) a dh bike running a Idylle and stoy setup? debating changing the setup on my Session.

    http://tinypic.com/r/2hxapgy/7
    Ive no plans to run a dh bike. I sold the last one as it was hardly getting used. The afr's as much dh bike as I need at the moment. Would like to try the idylle as well so need to talk someone into a set so I can have a shot the n'dee is supposed to be a shorter version of the idylle so I've a good idea how it'll feel. I doubt you'd be dissapointed
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    Got a set of the Devilles 160mm on route, very excited, kinda like a late christmas

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    i had an opportunity to buy devilles at a stunning price but have bought 2011 Floats remaining with Fox based on a number of factors.

    will be good to hear feedback on them, but for me, i'm still unconvinced of any superiority these bring to the 160mm air fork party.....

    good luck with them fella's

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    how is 140mm travel achieved - is the process reversible ?


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    fwiw, i have 'learned' that the deville rides high in its travel as it's shimmed to replicate in-ordinate amounts of low speed compression.

    it doesn't rely on a true low speed damping circuit for the control, but restricted orifice circuitry which forces the fork to sit high, this being nico voillez's [sp??] preference apparently.....

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    You've 'learned'? Ok then!

    Personally I'd rather try them myself first before claiming to have learned anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    fwiw, i have 'learned' that the deville rides high in its travel as it's shimmed to replicate in-ordinate amounts of low speed compression.

    it doesn't rely on a true low speed damping circuit for the control, but restricted orifice circuitry which forces the fork to sit high, this being nico voillez's [sp??] preference apparently.....
    What the hell does that mean anyway? what's a 'true low speed damping circuit' when it's at home? Personally I always thought it was some form of 'restricted orifice circuitry' myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    What the hell does that mean anyway? what's a 'true low speed damping circuit' when it's at home? Personally I always thought it was some form of 'restricted orifice circuitry' myself.

    blimey !!!!

    you told me to ring him and ask for his opinion, which I did and have reported back !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumanchu
    how is 140mm travel achieved - is the process reversible ?


    tia

    They have to be cut down internally to achieve the 140mm.
    This process is not easily reversible,if it is put back to 160mm it costs alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Thanks for the pic.
    The trail was so muddy today, no way I could of tested the performance anyhow.
    Here's my front d after 4 miles.

    Roll on the dry and dust.

    What bashguard is that?
    I like the style of it,is it aluminium?

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    Sporrans at ten paces?

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    You were calling him to ask about tuning your ccdb and float 36's. I'll not mention his name as ive a lot of respect for his opinion and I'm fairly sure you're putting words in his mouth. Your ccdb uses a needle valve to restrict an orifice. Is that not a 'true low speed circuit'?

    Also, impling that somethings 'true' kind of implies that any other way is wrong. when it could actually be the holy Grail! Having never ridden a deville yet I'll reserve judgment

    He also told you the float r is a better fork than the fit but you've gone and ordered a fit float.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry AM
    Sporrans at ten paces?
    He's English but they kicked him out. We're too soft
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    fwiw, i have 'learned' that the deville rides high in its travel as it's shimmed to replicate in-ordinate amounts of low speed compression.

    it doesn't rely on a true low speed damping circuit for the control, but restricted orifice circuitry which forces the fork to sit high, this being nico voillez's [sp??] preference apparently.....
    I dont know what they do with the magic inside the fork, I just ride the damn thing but I can tell you it does not behave like a fork with just shed loads of low speed compression wound on.
    To take a Fox over Bos,

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy
    I dont know what they do with the magic inside the fork, I just ride the damn thing but I can tell you it does not behave like a fork with just shed loads of low speed compression wound on.
    To take a Fox over Bos,
    Just been talking to norcosam about the same thing. The n'dee is way too responsive to have loads of ls damping. In my experience, running loads of LSC causes the fork to be harsh and unresponsive to small bumps. The n'dee manages to be responsive while remaining high in it's travel and giving loads of feedback.

    Don't know and don't care(not quite true as im nosey) how they do it but it works.

    I sell loads of fox forks and have always stood by them. They're still very good forks when compared to the other big players but if bos can do this with a good old fashioned open bath then they're missing a trick. I realize weight is an issue and fox have that nailed but I'd rather sacrifice the weight for performance in a 180mm fork. The deville is pretty much the same weight as a float though and if it's also better performing then its a no brainer!
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    Like your ccdb experience, i hope one day you will understand enough to appreciate the Bos fork.

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    Its great to see some alternatives to RS Marz Fox who have dominated shox for the last 20 years?

    Up front we now have the above plus BOS, Manitou and X Fusion with offerings and out back BOS X Fusion Elka and Cane Creek have come to the party. We should all celebrate the choice available at the mo.

    Im keen to hear opinions on the BOS from those who have ridden it (thanks to those who have) and will offer one when I have. If everyone else did that it would be a much easier thread to pick through
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karve
    Up front we now have the above plus BOS, Manitou
    Manitou is out of the Trailbike competition for the moment (read: no fork for say, a Helius AC).

    Same for X-Fusion... Their Vengeance has the A2C of a 180mm fork!!!

    Too bad. I really wanted to go with something from either of them.
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    one of my mates bought a bos deville from dipper and reports the left leg adjustment dial fouls the frame at full lock.
    he's now taken it off and rotated it thro 180 degrees to stop any frame damage........

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    one of my mates bought a bos deville from dipper and reports the left leg adjustment dial fouls the frame at full lock.
    he's now taken it off and rotated it thro 180 degrees to stop any frame damage........
    What? He fitted the fork backwards?
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    I'm guessing it's paddys turner 6-pack?

    I had the same on my afr with the 66. Real pain in the ass. Had to keep the adjusters in my pocket. Was only a matter of time before they went AWOL!
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    Picked up a Pair of DeVilles today. Cheers Dipper!

    A bit of a geeky post by me, but I'm a man that craves details, so I hope someone finds it informative...... My first Impressions:

    The appearance of the fork isn't bad but I would say the 2011 fox beats it in terms of paint finish and decal quality. Up close though its a different story. A huge improvement over the N'dee/Idylle, and side by side to my Lyriks there is no contest. All adjustment controls appear and feel first class. One special mention goes to the axle, a thing of true beauty and simplicity.



    Onto the scales and they save just over 400g
    The A2C is the same as the Lyriks.
    Interestingly the steerer is quite short. Amazingly I didn't have to chop it down as it measured EXACTLY the same as my previous forks!


    One thing to note which has been mentioned above is that of the positioning of TRC lever on the left hand leg.
    On the AM it will foul the DT.


    No big problem though as you can just unscrew the air cap and reposition the lever.



    No trail action yet, but initial feeling is the fork feels typically BOS. The TRC feels 'clever' and I'm looking forwards to trying it out. Obvious characteristics are that of amazing small bump sensitivity (out the box!), very good front traction, and true to initial reports, the fork rides high in its travel despite running 45-50mm of static sag.




    Full ride report to follow, but I'm afraid I'm not very good with words
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Onto the scales
    F@ck my Revelation, I'm selling them out and getting one of these... it's got the weight of a SID!!!!
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    bos must have left out the internals from them i think!
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    RPM me think you want to weigh those again! with out sky hooks.....

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    Haha pmsl, uploaded wrong pic! Oops. More like 2080g. Better delete to save confusion.

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    Sorry RPM was funny.

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    Stupid Park scales. Smaller than a postage stamp. I was trying to balance them upright and in that shot the lowers must have been touching the floor.
    I can just imagine a weight weenie some where picking himself off the floor after seeing the pic

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    I've just sold 3 sets due to that pic
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    is the axle rake / offset more than a fox 36 ?
    it looks further forward extended than my 36's ?

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    Good question, Tlr. I Would say the axle is offset maybe only slightly further forwards. But only guessing....maybe 3-4mm? I'll have a look tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    I've just sold 3 sets due to that pic


    rpm... it's all in good mood, man. That was really funny.

    Thanks for the input. That fork looks delicious and I thought VERY seriously about it. Biggest cons were price (obviously) and that white just mismatches with my Schwarzolive colour. Yeah, that matters and put the Lyrik Solo Air and the Float 36 out of contention too
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    warp, how about getting them stripped and painted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger
    warp, how about getting them stripped and painted?
    Back to inconvenient number one... price. They're expensive (though no more than a top of the line 36 or Lyrik) and then sending the fork to paint, paying another 100 bucks or so more, wait time, lost warranty, etc.

    A nightmare just for looks.

    Also, I bought the Revelation already, so I don't have another fork scheduled for the next three years unless I win the lotto.
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    all Bos'd up

    all bos'd up
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    Really cool AFR you've got there Dipper!

    I am very interested to hear your thoughts on Stoy vs Double Barrel!

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    Ah finally well you know I love it on mine, I await your verdict.....

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    lol @ dipper.

    forks selected for decals to match [hideous] frame colours........

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm100
    Picked up a Pair of DeVilles today.

    Full ride report to follow, but I'm afraid I'm not very good with words
    I am really interested in that, please let us know
    I am planning to buy a deville for my AM as well in the spring for the next season.

    Thanks!

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    SIK rpm100 - cant wait to hear a full ride report
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikael_nr1
    Really cool AFR you've got there Dipper!

    I am very interested to hear your thoughts on Stoy vs Double Barrel!
    It's a difficult one that and it may be months before I get my head round it. The ccdb relies on the rider being clued up and properly interpreting the feed back they get and being able set up the shock to suit. I thought I had it reasonably well sussed but the bos appears to take a different direction to where i headed with the ccdb so I wonder if I ever had it right. And that's the biggest snag with the ccdb. You'll always wonder if you missing something.

    My plan is to try the ccdb and stoy back to back and see if I can get the ccdb to perform like the stoy and do a comparison from there. I'm not saying the stoy is better, just that I'd like to know if they can be made to feel the same. If they can
    then it might give me a better idea on which direction to go with the ccdb. At the moment the ccdb works very well but lacks the pop and energy of the stoy. The stoy seems just as planted as the ccdb though

    without saying ones better than the other, what I would say is that straight out the
    box, with minimal tweaks, the stoy feels much better than the ccdb. So far all I've done to the stoy is add 2 clicks of lsc to rein in pedal induced bobbing which it's done.

    If youre not particularly analytical or not interested in how things work as long as
    they work, then the stoy is for you.

    While tring not to drone on in a non committal manner! I would also say that the effect of the front end on how the rear feels cant be underestimated either. I changed both fork and shock at the same time which is not really fair when trying to compare shocks. The n'dee is without a doubt the best fork I've ridden and it may be that it's natural stability(in that it doesn't give the same continual front to rear weight shift that most forks do) is giving the stoy less to do. So again, I'd like to try the ccdb with the n'dee up front.

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    Looks nice Dipper.

    TLR the ford motor company used to have the same colour range as you but then they modernised.......

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    GaryAm was it you who once said:

    S**toy = Fit and forget.
    CCDB = Fit and Fiddle.

    A perfect description of the two products.
    I'm definitely in the latter camp.

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    Dble post delete.

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    dipper, good comments, Thanks.

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    Going to try dropping the air pressure on mine by another 5psi today and increase the LSC and HSC,see how that feels.Feels good at the moment but there is no harm in experimenting.

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    First ride yesterday, left all settings as factory. Full report when I get on a keyboard.

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    Sam, what weight are you and what Pressures are you looking at?

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    I am running 115psi and i weigh 225lbs,they are 140mm Devilles so its meant to be +1bar compared to the 160mm versions.

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    You guys are probably ahead of me on this. I have just read that Nicolai are now offering a CCDB with a custom tune with different shims. Who knows more about this and what differences does it make?

    Dipper, is your CCDB standard or custom tune?

    Simon, can you comment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger
    You guys are probably ahead of me on this. I have just read that Nicolai are now offering a CCDB with a custom tune with different shims. Who knows more about this and what differences does it make?

    Dipper, is your CCDB standard or custom tune?

    Simon, can you comment?
    Never heard of a custom CCDB,it might come with the adjustments preset,so theres a very good starting point.

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    norcosam, it's mentioned in the 2011 catalogue...double page spread.

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    That was me....

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    I spoke to Malcolm at Cane creek when i was looking at the Helius AM and asked if it was worth sending my standard CCDB shock back for the custom valving and he said no. I got the distict impresion there is no custom shim stack, only custom default settings.

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    Well tonight I'm going to sell my 2001 fox float, and buy some devilles to go with my stoy shock.

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    I'm getting my ccdb custom foot printed to suit my weight and the helius am leverage ratios by Dave of Stendec fame next week.
    Dippers always preferred soggy shock action whereas ive alwayd preferred amore dynamic shock with POP and spring. A more sprightly sensation for me ad I'm still a hard tail rider..
    I was always told thr ccdb didnt need custom tuning but talking with Dave has me excited about thr mod....

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    Oh....GarryAM. my next bike will not be black and my ti hardtails are au naturale...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    I'm getting my ccdb custom foot printed to suit my weight and the helius am leverage ratios by Dave of Stendec fame next week.
    Dippers always preferred soggy shock action whereas ive alwayd preferred amore dynamic shock with POP and spring. A more sprightly sensation for me ad I'm still a hard tail rider..
    I was always told thr ccdb didnt need custom tuning but talking with Dave has me excited about thr mod....
    There's a big difference between 'soggy' and soft. With the ccdb and stoy the spring rate tends to be softer than other shocks. They both run soft(lighter springs) but should also be composed and respond well to pedalling. Soggy, doesn't respond well to anything.

    If all you want is a firm spring action then fit a stiffer spring and run at the lowest travel setting. Be interesting to see what Dave does with it but I bet it'll still run soft as that's how the ccdb is designed to run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper
    There's a big difference between 'soggy' and soft. With the ccdb and stoy the spring rate tends to be softer than other shocks. They both run soft(lighter springs) but should also be composed and respond well to pedalling. Soggy, doesn't respond well to anything.

    If all you want is a firm spring action then fit a stiffer spring and run at the lowest travel setting. Be interesting to see what Dave does with it but I bet it'll still run soft as that's how the ccdb is designed to run.
    Not what he explained. He suggested s lower spring rate controlling on the damping circuits. I want spring and POP and he is foot printing to suit me, I hope....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks
    Not what he explained. He suggested s lower spring rate controlling on the damping circuits. I want spring and POP and he is foot printing to suit me, I hope....!
    A lower spring rate. Exactly! That's what you refer to as soggy! The control has to come from the damping as a spring has no control of it's own.

    If you want 'spring and pop' then you don't need quality damping. Save yourself a fortune and buy a cheap shock. However if you want control then you need a shock with quality damping set up to suit you and the bike.
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    the problem is everyone wants something different from their suspension and forever your settings have been sh1t in feel for me...........

    i am stunned however that you seem to like the bos feel which is totally alien to your previous settings being soft and soggy.....

    whatever, i know what i like and how i expect it to perform and will re-iterate this to Stendec Dave tomorrow

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    Be interested to hear how that goes TLR/.

    (ps. couldn't resist the black bike joke).

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    indeed - i'm looking forward to giving /Stendec my feedback on the standard ccdb performance on the AM as i've tracked all the settings and their effect / feel / problems on the AM [esp, the pedal strike]....

    dave has suggested a number of solutions dependant on the information i send him but he's keen for me to try a 50lb spring rate reduction in collaboration with the valving adjustments he intends to make for my preference.

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    TLR, how much do they charge?

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