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    Hi guys,

    I already posted my thoughts on the BOS stuff, but I'd like to make things clear for some narrow minded people.

    First, my bike:


    Second, I deal with things I've tried, some should do the same. I'm French, sorry (but I'll try to write in English ), I own a BOS N'Dee fork and an AFR.

    First of all, I own this fork for one year now and the thing is that it works as well as last year. Those forks have been made to require as less maintenance as possible. I looked at mine a month ago and the oil was almost as clear as new. I called BOS to know when I should send them for a complete service and within 48h they answered "when it will need it, maybe next year". Clear enough.
    Moreover, I ride my bike almost every week end, I race DH, and I am also a bit tired of the marketing thing (Kashima coating, tapered headtubes, hydroformed tubes, etc.). But you need to understand the Bos stuff was thought in the only goal of performance (and it works since I improved my times).
    And basically that's all I needed: reliability and performance.
    But you can add the fact that it's the nicest piece of engineering for mtb forks. I mean, you should really compare it to the mass production forks...
    As said before, the after sales service has been great so far and if the English importer is reliable there won't be any problem because the guys at Bos know their thing.
    To finish my fork weights in at 3 kg, which is normal for a DH fork, even if it could be improved.
    And I'd like to add that I don't spend my cash for something which is only beautiful or fashionable. Cf SLX cranks, etc. I decided to pay the price for something that could make me faster and I got what I wanted. At the moment I'm collecting money to get the Stoy.

    Edit: I won't answer on the prejudices about French products since as almost everywhere, there are both good and bad things. And sorry in advance for the language mistakes.

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    SowX, good comments and the English is better than some of the Scott's. Great looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryates
    SowX, good comments and the English is better than some of the Scott's. Great looking bike.
    how did one mans(an englishman at that) predjudice turn in to a slagging for the scots eh?

    Cheers SowX. good review. While i I have issues with the French(and the Italians for that matter) competence with electrickery(see renualt, ferrari, ducati, fiat,peugot etc) i have no problems with your mechanical engineering

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    your bike pic never worked(at least i can't see it anyway)

    to pick up on your comment about the UK importer. I've had quite a bit of communication with him(Roger Estrada at R53 engineering) and he comes across as a real nice lad and is very clued up on suspension in general. he's been taking a look at the AFR and it's suspension characteristics in order to sort out my Stoy. He's been very patient also with all my daft and ignorant questions. so far so good

    makes all the difference when the suppliers are clued up and approachable. A lot are just sales types with no real passion for the sport. On saying that i dont know how much Roger knows about the mtb scene but he's certainly passionate about suspension

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    I know I've already said it but that AFR is probably the most sensible build I've seen, congrats!

    The N'dee seems like a really good fork, I would love to have one in 160mm. It's too heavy to put on my Helius AM though, and I'm more or less allergic to air forks, so the devilles are a no go.

    The options then narrow down to Fox, RS and Magura.

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    Thanks guys. Personnally, I called BOS a few times to know how to set up my fork properly and everytime they answered and found a solution. And for me it is very important, since I think the after sales is as important as the product itself, none of the other brands are able to advise you on the setting up.

    So if the importer is as much involved as they are, then you'll always find someone to answer you questions.

    But I recognize it's a bit pricey in the UK, which is normal (shipping costs, importer...). Meanwhile still competitive compared to Fox suspension for exemple.


    @mikael_nr1

    I never tried the Deville so I won't tell you much about it but reviews on the French forums explain that the fork reacts a bit like an "oil dampered fork". Don't know if it's understandable...

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    Dipper - the N-dee's will look fab on the Koi... but the Stoy is going to ming

    With the 1-1/8" steerer you can lose that boat anchor of a stem

    Are you going for the Cane Creek angle-set to play with the headtube angle?

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    Dipper, has the snow cleared yet? Interested in your BOS review. Have you tested the 2011 Fox 36 Van yet, as a point of reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepimpmessiah
    Dipper - the N-dee's will look fab on the Koi... but the Stoy is going to ming

    With the 1-1/8" steerer you can lose that boat anchor of a stem

    Are you going for the Cane Creek angle-set to play with the headtube angle?
    aye youre right. you'd think they'd colour coordinate them a bit better! maybe have to sort it with a rattle can from halfords

    it's running a straitline 1.5 stem at the moment which is pretty light. I take it you mean the 1.5 sunline that I had on it for a bit? it was a boat anchor!

    and yes I plan on fitting an angle set to have a play.
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    snows still here but got a bit of a shift today. Forecasts not good for during the week though. Not set eyes on the forks yet either. they should be in next week.

    I've done some rides on the 2011 36 float 180RLC. No surprise that it feels much the same as the 160. feels well supported but not as silky smooth as the 2010 66RC3ti. As well as those 2 I've also tried on the AFR - 2008 66 ATA, 2009 66 RC3 and a lyric 170 DH. None of them are bad forks(apart from reliabilty issues on the ATA but I sorted that). the only one I couldnt get on with was the lyric. I think if you're weight happens to fall within the right range it could be a good fork but I couldnt get a spring that worked. the medium was way too soft and the hard, way too hard!
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    Bos deville-Go on then

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    Quote Originally Posted by olive
    Thanks Norcosam, but now the front is black. Better uphill (500gr less and Talas adjustment) but not really the same level downhill. The N'dee is on my other bike.
    Alright mate mint looking bike by the way, was just curious have you tried climbing on the FR with the fox in 180 mode? was planning on getting a float 180 for my FR as like the idea of the weight saving, is it going to be a pain in the arse to climb in full travel? Other option was maybe get a float 180 and adjust it to 170mm for trail then back to 180 for the mega etc. Your input would be great cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey
    Alright mate mint looking bike by the way, was just curious have you tried climbing on the FR with the fox in 180 mode? was planning on getting a float 180 for my FR as like the idea of the weight saving, is it going to be a pain in the arse to climb in full travel? Other option was maybe get a float 180 and adjust it to 170mm for trail then back to 180 for the mega etc. Your input would be great cheers.
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    i used an FR with 180 forks for quite a while(66's). suited it better imo. never noticed any issues climbing either. 10 mins changes the fox's 2 160 as well if you find it too tall
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    Bos Stoy

    hi RPM I have heard about budgie type noises coming from the Stoy however this was something that TF tuned sorted out simply at the very start before I even picked up the shock.

    TLR the shock would not suit you, there's not enough faffing about before you actually get to ride the bike and because you can actually get the setup with the correct sag you'd have pedal strike city.

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    dipper, please could you arrange for a shoot-out between the following:

    BOS Deville
    WB Loop
    Fox 36 Float and Van
    X-Fusion Vengeance
    Marz. 55 RC3 ti ???

    I will buy the winner from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry AM
    hi RPM I have heard about budgie type noises coming from the Stoy however this was something that TF tuned sorted out simply at the very start before I even picked up the shock.

    TLR the shock would not suit you, there's not enough faffing about before you actually get to ride the bike and because you can actually get the setup with the correct sag you'd have pedal strike city.

    i'm back to the monarch with increased air pressure.

    the ccdb although sublime in action was a compromise...
    its going to get footprinted and possibly have higher viscosity damping oil fitted in the next couple of months in order to improve the mid-stroke control.....
    i can only hope for improved performance....

    my 6 pack in retrospect, was sublime on the ccdb in comparison.

    shame my AM is one of the originals on old fashioned 200x51 levers.....possibly time for a change......

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    oops! was taking the piss out of the wrong person! Sorry ryates
    Last edited by dipper; 12-14-2010 at 02:03 PM.
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    oh well, it was a long shot!

    Seriously, there is a lack of comparative test information available on these forks.

    Dipper, out of that list are there any that you will be able to make comparisons with, when eventually you are able to test the BOS Deville?

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    I'm down off my high horse now Ryates.

    I can compare pretty well with the Fox's and and marzocchi but not the other 2. It would be great to be able to try them all back to back but it's too expensive and time consuming. Also, what i like might not be what anyone else likes. If you're a faster, slower, lighter, heavier rider, that'll change the character of the fork. I know some proper fast riders that ride with suspesion thats very stiff but as i'm very much average i cant get away with that

    I will compare them best as i can though
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    A nice box arrived today,Thanks Richard(dipper)
    Bos DeVille 140mm



    Last edited by norcosam; 12-24-2010 at 09:58 AM.

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    Lush.

    All I got today was a new oven seal.

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    Nice.

    What's it going on?

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    You'll love em.
    Had mine on my spicy and now moving them to a specialized carbon enduro

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    My stoy and n'dees are all fitted up but have no where to go very impressed with the build quality. Especially the stoy and deville. N'dees looks more basic as it does without fancy machined levers. The dials and the lowers look functional whereas the deville looks more 'engineered'.

    Stoy with steel spring is weighing in at the same weight as my ccdb with ti spring which was a surprise. N'dees is a fraction heavier than my rc3ti.

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    Anyone with a scale shot showing the weight of the devilles (160mm)? Need to know how close to 2kg they come in at. I've heard their weighing more than stated.

    Cheers

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    Just weighed a brand new set with uncut steerer on a park digital scale. 2060grams
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    Many thanks dipper, am very tempted....... You will be my first port of call.

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    No problem. I'd have taken a pic but it's boxing day and I can't be arsed!
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    Belated merry xmas all...

    I've had a pair of NDee's on my Gambler for the last year. Didnt get as much riding done as liked too but ive given them a good bash at weekends in the UK and rode them a fair bit in my 4 weeks in Switzerland.

    They are PLUSH as hell. Consistent stroke, sit high in their travel, dont dive and are very responsive. I've ridden my fair share of forks and of think the Ndee is superior to the lot (old 66, Totem, 888, 40's, Fox Van & Talas 36) - to be fair the majority of those forks I only rode on 1 or 2 runs so I have them set up the exact way I like them. They are also very stiff and flex free. I think the perfect description for them is as BOS describes them, a mini DH fork, same internal suspension as their dual crown cut down 20mm and put into a single crown: they feel more like a downhill fork cut down than 20mm added to a Talas, Van or Lyric if that makes sense.

    One thing which impressed me about them is their reliability. They feel better than they did a year ago. My bike had been standing on its head in the shed for a solid month until i went for a ride yesterday and they felt perfect. I havent taken them apart but just from the way the ride they feel reliable

    The reviews praise highly of their performance, mine rides brilliantly and the only issue is price. I luckily got them from someone who had one them and wasnt interested in them so I got them at a very good price. If you can afford an Ndee i highly recomend it.

    Ill post pics later although they will be on a Scott

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    I just weighed my Revelations,and they are 1900g air u-turn including maxle.
    so 160g difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    I just weighed my Revelations,and they are 1900g air u-turn including maxle.
    so 160g difference.
    Goo to know... I have one of the RLT Ti Dual Pos-Air. I figured it would be ~1900grsm but now I figure it has to be more like 1850 with the cut steerer. Not bad for 150mm and certainly an improvement over the 2100'ish Pike.

    But... at 2060 for 160mm and the quality of BOS damping, that Deville sounds like a winner.
    I wish I could shell out the money for one. They also come in 140mm flavour.
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    Warp- My set are the 140mm.I had to wait a few days for them,Then they were stuck in Scotland in the snow.

    My Revs were measured with a 205mm steerer and maxle

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Warp- My set are the 140mm.I had to wait a few days for them,Then they were stuck in Scotland in the snow.

    My Revs were measured with a 205mm steerer and maxle

    Oh, well... even if mine are ~1900grs, they're definitively lighter than the old Pike and have more travel.

    I haven't measured mine... I don't have a scale, I mostly go by claimed weights when I want to factor weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Oh, well... even if mine are ~1900grs, they're definitively lighter than the old Pike and have more travel.

    I haven't measured mine... I don't have a scale, I mostly go by claimed weights when I want to factor weight.
    Pikes were very heavy,but indestructable.I borrowed a set off my mate for a few months,they were like a ships anchor.

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    Whats the AC on the 160mm Devilles, and do you buy direct from R53 Engineering?

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    Wpuk- I think it was 450mm.

    Brought from Richard@ Gravity-sports
    They are available from Roger @ R53,he seems to know his stuff and is very helpfull.

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    Just sold my last set or I'd measure them for you. Maybe Sam or rpm100(although he won't get his till tomorrow) can measure theirs for you?

    R53 sell to the trade. You may have a dealer close by(there's a list of dealers on the r53 site) but if not give me a shout and I'll sort you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam
    Wpuk- I think it was 450mm.

    Brought from Richard@ Gravity-sports
    They are available from Roger @ R53,he seems to know his stuff and is very helpfull.
    cheers

    edit: do you mean 550mm? My 150mm revs are 529mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpuk
    cheers

    edit: do you mean 550mm? My 150mm revs are 529mm

    oops.Yes 550mm

    think the 140mm Devilles like mine were 529.5mm

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    Including headset change, what would an AC of increase of 24/25mm do to my BB height? Can't find the geo site I was on about before

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    It's about 1/3 but that's very ish! so probably 8mm, but then you have to take into account of the same sag per stroke, and therefore greater drop by % so it's probably more like 25% so therefore 6-7mm if you ride accordingly not a disaster.

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    Would void the warranty on an AC frame.
    i would have thought it would raise it by about 10-12mm,it would slacken the head angle aswell.

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    wpuk based in the south west? then pm me.

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    South west,now we are talking.

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    Await PM

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    Ment AC (axle crown) increase, not on a AC sorry, my bikes an AM (I know the headset increase isn't part of the AC measurement but bottom bit will affect my BB height and I was being lazy with my sentence )

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    It will slacken the HA a bit on an AM.I think thats the reccomended AC height for an AM
    I thought you had an AC to be honest.

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    wpuk run my Am with 555mm Lyrik coil 170 DH and it's fantastic.

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    PM sent, sorry bout the delay, ready up on Valium usage

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