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    I've had a Vip'R on the rear of my ASR5 (sorry, I know it's not a Nicolai!) since Christmas and rode it around 15-20 times. Great shock along with the Devilles and much better than anything Fox, the only problem is I have started getting a harsh noise when hitting square edges at speed. The noise is best described as 2 sanding blocks being struck together. I know the shock isn't the quietest around with the clicking noise it always makes, just wondering if anyone has had this before and can shed any light on it. I will be sending it in under warranty, but the guys in the UK are new to BOS so if I can help it means I will get the shock back quicker. We all know there's no point in trying to ask BOS them selves!

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    BOS suspension

    It is now confirmed. The vip'r can be retrofitted to vip'r 2.
    It is not really cheap and the best timing would be to do it together with the annual maintenance.
    Vip'r 2 will mean a quiter shock with more slow compression damping in the hard setting and a revised damping curve.

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    BOS suspension

    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    I've had a Vip'R on the rear of my ASR5 (sorry, I know it's not a Nicolai!) since Christmas and rode it around 15-20 times. Great shock along with the Devilles and much better than anything Fox, the only problem is I have started getting a harsh noise when hitting square edges at speed. The noise is best described as 2 sanding blocks being struck together. I know the shock isn't the quietest around with the clicking noise it always makes, just wondering if anyone has had this before and can shed any light on it. I will be sending it in under warranty, but the guys in the UK are new to BOS so if I can help it means I will get the shock back quicker. We all know there's no point in trying to ask BOS them selves!
    I have the same issue, tried getting hold of Bos = ballache,
    spoke to Clem at Surfsales nice guy but no tools from BOS so couldn't do much,
    Spoke to James (I think) at JTech top bloke five minute chat and he explained everything that'd be wrong with it apparently air/nitrogen leaking between chambers making the noise. He said can be fixed easily by them for around £50. But if they take it apart obviously it voids my (kinda pointless anyway) warranty with BOS.
    My dilemma now: get Jtech to sort it and pay £50 or wait and try try try to get it fixed by BOS for free under warranty.. At the moment I'm just thinking take the hit and actually get it fixed this year. In other news my CCDB is still working perfectly with no issues what so ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey View Post
    I have the same issue, tried getting hold of Bos = ballache,
    spoke to Clem at Surfsales nice guy but no tools from BOS so couldn't do much,
    Spoke to James (I think) at JTech top bloke five minute chat and he explained everything that'd be wrong with it apparently air/nitrogen leaking between chambers making the noise. He said can be fixed easily by them for around £50. But if they take it apart obviously it voids my (kinda pointless anyway) warranty with BOS.
    My dilemma now: get Jtech to sort it and pay £50 or wait and try try try to get it fixed by BOS for free under warranty.. At the moment I'm just thinking take the hit and actually get it fixed this year. In other news my CCDB is still working perfectly with no issues what so ever.
    Truth is Surf Sales haven't invested in a nitro charger yet, they seem more interested in sales than servicing. BOS should have officially appointed JTech for servicing. Go with them or Mad Elk who are official but based in Ireland.

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    Surfsales I'm hoping will be up and running in the next week to service BOS items, I will be calling them back at end of week. If not I will then probably go with Jtech. As you mention the warranty thing is no real issue due to BOS' very poor after sales.
    It's good just to know the fault either way.

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    I sent my Vip'R into Clem at surf sales. He had it for a while and couldn't get to the bottom of my problem after 2 rebuilds, there was only one seal which he hadn't changed as none in stock so kindly sent me a new shock as waiting on this metal seal from BOS would take a fair bit of time probably! Got to say the service was great from Clem and surf sales. Also the new shock is silent which is a bonus.
    Now my Devilles have started clicking like the Vip'R used to and there is a smear appearing on the left stantion. Looks like I will be sending these back under warranty as well ! They still work great though and have no regrets getting BOS kit.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! BOS returns to the DH World Cup podium!

    Great to see Max Commencal and Olivier Bossard work together again!
    They're the legend of the bike engineering.
    It was Max Commencal who in 1982 he started his first bicycle company, Sunn Bicycles.
    Then, in 1993 he invited Olivier Bossard to take care of the suspension in his race bikes.
    In 1994 François Gachet and Anne Caroline Chausson aboard Sunn bikes went on to win everything:
    World Cups, World Champs, European Champs and French Champs.
    The rest is history!

    BOS took it very seriously in Vallnord and it paid off!

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    Great to see, Thirion's bike does look very "composed", which is just what you'd expect from BOS.
    Thanks for the link and timing.

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    BB, thanks for posting, interesting stuff.

    Are you getting a SC air for the Chili?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    BB, thanks for posting, interesting stuff.

    Are you getting a SC air for the Chili?
    Yes, it's interesting piece of mtb history

    As for SC air, I already talked to Polish distributor about the fork.
    Unfortunately, the price holds me back from trying this one out.
    Plus there is only 180mm option for now. I'd rather go with 160, max 170mm.
    I'm very happy with AVA Lyrik in the meantime, waiting for price drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeBert View Post
    Yes, it's interesting piece of mtb history

    As for SC air, I already talked to Polish distributor about the fork.
    Unfortunately, the price holds me back from trying this one out.
    Plus there is only 180mm option for now. I'd rather go with 160, max 170mm.
    I'm very happy with AVA Lyrik in the meantime, waiting for price drop.
    BB. I forgot you had the Avy, I'm sure it's good. For your reference I'm running the 180 coil version of the SC with 1 1/8 steerer and ZS bottom cup the A to C is about the same as running a 170 tapered with external bottom cup.

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    BOS DeVille 26 and 650B (27.5), anyone know the fork offsets please?

    Hey guys,
    thinking about trying a 650B / 27.5 front wheel on my AM. yeah, I know the greener grass is always a distance away ;-).
    I'd prefer not to 650 the back end because of clearance and raising the BB too much. Anyone done it?
    sounds like 650 IS faster rolling and not as cumbersome as 29.

    Just the 650 front raises the BB by 5mm, I can get round this with an offset to the shock or mount (which slackens the bike a touch too, maybe 0.5 deg.). My Deville's a 160 anyway, so there's 10mm to play with as the AM's OK with a 170.

    mtbr member loamranger kindly told me that the DeVille has room for a Hans Dampf in 650B. 650B HD dia = 705mm, 26" HD = 777mm
    difference in diameter is 28mm, difference in radius 14mm
    clearance on Deville 26 with 26" HD = 21mm
    so, clearance on Deville 26 with 650 HD = 7mm,
    I guess that's just OK, but might not work in mud.

    BUT
    here's a big question.
    the fork offset?
    important because fork offset affects trail. thus handling
    I understand that's why 29ers felt so awful at first, the early forks has the same offset as 26 ers. Thus the trail was much increased and the bike felt "slacker". [too stable to turn tight].

    Now BOS have made the new 650 fork with a different offset
    does anyone know the offset of a 26" Deville and a 650B vesion please?
    Loook slik Rockhox did 26=40mm, 650=42mm

    I'm wondering about the handling with the 26" Deville and the 650B wheel, OK, it'll feel a bit slacker, but will it work, I guess that to know that I need to know what BOS did with their 650B version of the fork - how much change they felt was needed - I've tried google but failed - sure I saw it somewhere -
    anyone, please?

    thx

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    MF, interesting point you make about the offset. I have e-mailed Clem at SS to get some info and will let you know if I hear back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    MF, interesting point you make about the offset. I have e-mailed Clem at SS to get some info and will let you know if I hear back.
    LR do you ever hear back from clem when you email him ?,,, he never seems to reply to my emails,,, do you know if he's started servicing bos stuff yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    LR do you ever hear back from clem when you email him ?,,, he never seems to reply to my emails,,, do you know if he's started servicing bos stuff yet?
    Your right, Clem's not the best at e-mails but he does pick up the phone, so I will call him if I don't get a reply soon. He is now servicing BOS, I got my Stoy back after a retune a couple of months back. I have also dealt with Mad Elks on some other stuff and they seem to be on the ball. So the situation for BOS customers wanting service is now much better, they have a choice between the official Mad Elks and Surf Sales or unofficial JTech.

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    I concur that Clem isn't great with emails but can't fault him when you get him on the phone. You don't feel like he is trying to get you off it quickly as you do with some bike shops.
    Got him to service my Vip'R under warranty, he couldn't fix the shock straight away as needed a metal seal from BOS, so he sent me a completely new shock as we both new that it would probably take 12 months for BOS to send this small part!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    MF, I've checked the clearances tonight, 5mm on the SC and 7mm on the Devilles with 650b HD's.
    Hey, thanks for that LR. Very god to know, your measurements have been very helpful.
    FYI, My 26" HD TS measures 677mm

    Are you still enjoying the 650B HD on the front of your AM?
    Still think it's a significant upgrade grip and rolling wise, on a 26" wheel?

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    Did you get the BB back down by 5mm or left it and it's OK?

    I had a -3mm mount from Nicolai which would do the trick if you feel the need.
    (why? I wanted to lower my BB, it came out bit too low for local rooty trails, but I am sure I'll love it with my alternative build, Idylle SC and big soft Alpine tyres)
    Moritz said about the mount:
    The -3mm mounts cause about -0,5° head angle and 6mm BB drop. With these you can probably still run 171mm travel.
    that reflects my experience, 171 travel feasibility would depend on back tyre fitted

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    I concur that Clem isn't great with emails but can't fault him when you get him on the phone. You don't feel like he is trying to get you off it quickly as you do with some bike shops.
    Got him to service my Vip'R under warranty, he couldn't fix the shock straight away as needed a metal seal from BOS, so he sent me a completely new shock as we both new that it would probably take 12 months for BOS to send this small part!!
    Found out yesterday that Clem has left Surf Sales and a new guy taken on called Keith. I wonder what happened there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Hey, thanks for that LR. Very god to know, your measurements have been very helpful.
    FYI, My 26" HD TS measures 677mm

    Are you still enjoying the 650B HD on the front of your AM?
    Still think it's a significant upgrade grip and rolling wise, on a 26" wheel?

    ps
    Did you get the BB back down by 5mm or left it and it's OK?

    I had a -3mm mount from Nicolai which would do the trick if you feel the need.
    (why? I wanted to lower my BB, it came out bit too low for local rooty trails, but I am sure I'll love it with my alternative build, Idylle SC and big soft Alpine tyres)
    Moritz said about the mount:
    The -3mm mounts cause about -0,5° head angle and 6mm BB drop. With these you can probably still run 171mm travel.
    that reflects my experience, 171 travel feasibility would depend on back tyre fitted

    thanks
    neil
    I'm still on 650b front and like it. Fyi 650b HD's measure 704 dia. Just left the bb as is, seems ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Found out yesterday that Clem has left Surf Sales and a new guy taken on called Keith. I wonder what happened there?
    bugger wonder what went wrong there,,, should this serve as a warning to me as im about to pull the plug on a vipr 2 for my endo,
    does this keith do the servicing for bos now?,,,, is he or has he been trained up by bos?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    bugger wonder what went wrong there,,, should this serve as a warning to me as im about to pull the plug on a vipr 2 for my endo,
    does this keith do the servicing for bos now?,,,, is he or has he been trained up by bos?....
    I might have to get on the blower and chat with him to find out for future reference.

    I would buy the Vip'R 2 if I were you as BOS suspension is the best and there's plenty others who will service there stuff any how. I'm probably going to strip my Devilles myself soon as looks very simple, and by pass any warranty as not overly concerned. I used to regularly strip my Talas completely and just send in for a full service by Mojo every 2-3 years, so will probably do the same with the BOS kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    bugger wonder what went wrong there,,, should this serve as a warning to me as im about to pull the plug on a vipr 2 for my endo,
    does this keith do the servicing for bos now?,,,, is he or has he been trained up by bos?....
    Spoke with Keith today, seems a straight up guy. He said that he has been trained with BOS. They've used up a lot of their warranty spares on servicing so they are waiting to replenish their stock of spare parts. They haven't received any new air products yet, probably the autumn before they get the new stuff, so he didn't know if the new forks would have greater clearance for 650b or a changed offset. The new BOS website states that the new forks are 650b/26 compatible though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    I might have to get on the blower and chat with him to find out for future reference.

    I would buy the Vip'R 2 if I were you as BOS suspension is the best and there's plenty others who will service there stuff any how. I'm probably going to strip my Devilles myself soon as looks very simple, and by pass any warranty as not overly concerned. I used to regularly strip my Talas completely and just send in for a full service by Mojo every 2-3 years, so will probably do the same with the BOS kit.
    There is a choice now, Mad Elk are also worth considering as suppliers/servicing and they will probably cut a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    I might have to get on the blower and chat with him to find out for future reference.

    I would buy the Vip'R 2 if I were you as BOS suspension is the best and there's plenty others who will service there stuff any how. I'm probably going to strip my Devilles myself soon as looks very simple, and by pass any warranty as not overly concerned. I used to regularly strip my Talas completely and just send in for a full service by Mojo every 2-3 years, so will probably do the same with the BOS kit.
    yeah im trying to track down and order a vipr2 for my endorphin, i want it for my whistler trip in september, (fly on the 7th) mad elk just told me that they dont have any in stock but can order one, only shitter is bos are closed now til 1st of september, and the shocks take roughly a week to process the order and make, how the foooooooooooooooooooooook can they shut up shop for almost a month during their busyest time of year, it's peak riding season and roughly the time of year when next season stuff launches and they close up for holidays, WTF,, thats great buisness ethics that, it really makes sense to me lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    yeah im trying to track down and order a vipr2 for my endorphin, i want it for my whistler trip in september, (fly on the 7th) mad elk just told me that they dont have any in stock but can order one, only shitter is bos are closed now til 1st of september, and the shocks take roughly a week to process the order and make, how the foooooooooooooooooooooook can they shut up shop for almost a month during their busyest time of year, it's peak riding season and roughly the time of year when next season stuff launches and they close up for holidays, WTF,, thats great buisness ethics that, it really makes sense to me lol.
    Good luck with getting a vipr in the UK.....one dealer I spoke to has a big back order for 2013 product and is not expecting any more until after September which will then be the 2014 production run. Have you tried some of the German websites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Good luck with getting a vipr in the UK.....one dealer I spoke to has a big back order for 2013 product and is not expecting any more until after September which will then be the 2014 production run. Have you tried some of the German websites?
    lol this shit just gets better and better. so there are no mark1 vipr shocks in the uk either, bloody hell. looks like im doomed to ride inferior fox crap for this trip.
    what german websites.... not aware of any mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    lol this shit just gets better and better. so there are no mark1 vipr shocks in the uk either, bloody hell. looks like im doomed to ride inferior fox crap for this trip.
    what german websites.... not aware of any mate.
    Hibike, bike-parts.de are a few I've used, forget the rest. If you google for Vip'R shock and keep looking through all the pages the German sites will appear, there the '.de' address sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    Hibike, bike-parts.de are a few I've used, forget the rest. If you google for Vip'R shock and keep looking through all the pages the German sites will appear, there the '.de' address sites.
    thanks for that,,,, will have a quick look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Spoke with Keith today, seems a straight up guy. He said that he has been trained with BOS. They've used up a lot of their warranty spares on servicing so they are waiting to replenish their stock of spare parts. They haven't received any new air products yet, probably the autumn before they get the new stuff, so he didn't know if the new forks would have greater clearance for 650b or a changed offset. The new BOS website states that the new forks are 650b/26 compatible though.
    i heard clem had trained him to service forks and he would be going to france soon to be trained by bos, i didnt know he'd been trained by them already,
    mad elk told me they have closed for august for holidays, so the new stuff wont ship till begining of september,

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    lol this shit just gets better and better. so there are no mark1 vipr shocks in the uk either, bloody hell. looks like im doomed to ride inferior fox crap for this trip.
    what german websites.... not aware of any mate.
    You could also try sending these guys an e-mail, no mention of BOS shocks on their website but they have a good range of BOS forks in stock including 2014 air Idylles so perhaps they might have some shocks?

    Bike24 - Forks MTB of Rock Shox, Magura, SR Suntour, Fox Racing Shox, DT Swiss, RST, BOS, Formula, Cannondale, Marzocchi, Mcfk, Manitou, Procraft, SRAM and Shaman Racing

    Also have you considered a Kirk? They seem to be in stock in 200 in the BOS store.

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    try out Kirk!

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    cheers for that lr... i hadnt no but may look into it, thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomasis View Post
    try out Kirk!
    Can you give us some more feedback. Thanks.

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    riding vipr 2.0 currently. if I had buy new one, I'd choose Kirk. I dont think it is very different from Vipr except more access to settings.

    If my Vipr is heated constantly then I will replace it with Kirk without doubt.

    Sorry I misled you with earlier post.

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    I have both the void and idylle sc air on my 2013 morewood kalula.The void is an amazing shock no stiction feels just like a coil, as for overheating issues that you find with most air shocks I haven't found any but most of the tracks I ride are no longer than 3 mins. Set to base settings rebound a little slower personal preference.Idylle also amazing truly feels like a coil fork again settings somewhere in the middle rebound 2 or 3 clicks slower.The thing with bos suspension is it always feels almost to plush in the car park but once out on the trail all becomes clear and the suspension sits up nicely in its travel only being used when needed.

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    hedrix, sounds good, thanks for the feedback.

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    my deville needs a service,,,, spoken to steve @surfsales. he told me they no longer servicing/selling bos, as theyre impossible to deal with.. looks like another dealer relationships gone sour,,, i guess my only option now is mad elk, have any of you guys had any experiance with these, thanks in advance,

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    i guess my only option now is mad elk, have any of you guys had any experiance with these, thanks in advance,
    Mad Elk will service your BOS and they're good guys!
    They have all the necessary spare parts and the service usually takes 1-2 days.

    More info here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeBert View Post
    Mad Elk will service your BOS and they're good guys!
    They have all the necessary spare parts and the service usually takes 1-2 days.

    More info here:
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    ok cheers for that bert,,,, think i'll give them a try....
    just hope fed ex arent as anal as the post office when it comes to sending forks...

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    [QUOTE Mad Elk will service your BOS and they're good guys!
    They have all the necessary spare parts and the service usually takes 1-2 days.

    Also J-Tech, he did a good job on my Deville. James told me he has all the parts that wear. My Deville was even smoother after.
    Great that Mad are doing it too tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    my deville needs a service,,,, spoken to steve @surfsales. he told me they no longer servicing/selling bos, as theyre impossible to deal with.. looks like another dealer relationships gone sour,,, i guess my only option now is mad elk, have any of you guys had any experiance with these, thanks in advance,
    That's bad news. Surfsales are only an hours drive from my place and Steve was doing a good job on servicing. I've bought some things off Mad Elks and they seem good guys to deal with.

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    The story is that BOS asked Surf-Sales to buy more product without fulfilling the outstanding order for spare parts and Surf-Sales said that they wouldn't buy more product without getting the spares.
    Last edited by loamranger; 01-20-2014 at 12:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    That's bad news. Surfsales are only an hours drive from my place and Steve was doing a good job on servicing. I've bought some things off Mad Elks and they seem good guys to deal with.
    hope so L.R,, as my deville is currently enroute to them now....
    yeah not good about us loosing yet another uk dealer,,, bos must have some serious issues as we only seem to last 12 months with them... id be curious to know what went wrong, all steve said was they were to much hard work to get anywhere with,,,,
    chris from r53 toldme they were impossible to deal with and their trade terms of the renewal of their contract made it not worth bothering with,,,, i can only assume the same happend for surfsales

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    The story is that BOS asked Surf-Sales to buy more product without fulling the outstanding order for spare parts and Surf-Sales said that they wouldn't buy more product without getting the spares.
    ok, thanks for that.....
    thats great buisness sense that, force one of your dealers to take more products, to sell and not supply them with spares, when the items your selling require spare parts to keep in top working order.... chris at r53 said somthing similar, the terms of the new contract forced them to sell more, so it wasnt worth the hassle of renewing.... wonder how long mad elk will last then,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    ok, thanks for that.....
    thats great buisness sense that, force one of your dealers to take more products, to sell and not supply them with spares, when the items your selling require spare parts to keep in top working order.... chris at r53 said somthing similar, the terms of the new contract forced them to sell more, so it wasnt worth the hassle of renewing.... wonder how long mad elk will last then,,,,
    Wow... I read your posts and I'm happy I did not go with BOS (not that I have bought a new fork either).

    In Australia, distribution changed hands as of late.

    BOS must not be the best guys to deal with.

    Kind of hard going away from RS/Fox/Manitou/Marzocchi when the rest can't put their act together when it comes to service/spares.

    X-Fusion and Suntour seem to be spotty on that regard too. And I'm not so sure about Marzocchi as of late.
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    Jergus,

    Any details?

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    i am led to believe that the uk now has a new bos dealer/distributor,,, jungle. the santacruz importer are apparantly taking over bos distribution for the uk,,, come on lads lets get a betting pool going here,,, im saying 12 months what do you guys think, ha ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    i am led to believe that the uk now has a new bos dealer/distributor,,, jungle. the santacruz importer are apparantly taking over bos distribution for the uk,,, come on lads lets get a betting pool going here,,, im saying 12 months what do you guys think, ha ha
    Delirian you are correct: details here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    cool... on jungles website they list bos, just says coming soon,,, and i bet going sooner ha ha,,, could it be 4th time lucky for us,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    cool... on jungles website they list bos, just says coming soon,,, and i bet going sooner ha ha,,, could it be 4th time lucky for us,,,,
    I heard that Mad Elk Cycles from Ireland is distributor for all Great Britain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jergus View Post
    I heard that Mad Elk Cycles from Ireland is distributor for all Great Britain
    yep they are mate,,,, i just got my deville serviced by them,,, got it back like 2 days ago,,, hoping to get my new chromag built up later, when the sun comes up and the ice melts lol...

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    Hello,

    I just received some Bos Deville 160mm 650b forks.

    However im not sure if there is a problem with them.

    At the recommended rebound settings of 15 clicks out they make quite a loud scraping noise on quick compressions. The noise seems to come from the top of the stanchion with the rebound adjuster. With the rebound fully out or fully in they sound alot smoother. The rebound adjuster seems to work normally.

    Should they be quiet?

    Any help appreciated.
    Thanks

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    Does anybody have diagrams of the Deville's guts? I have a leaky airvalve on my Deville TRC that I'd like to fix myself. It leaks if I bump the TRC lever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post
    Does anybody have diagrams of the Deville's guts? I have a leaky airvalve on my Deville TRC that I'd like to fix myself. It leaks if I bump the TRC lever.
    is this what your looking for....
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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post
    Does anybody have diagrams of the Deville's guts? I have a leaky airvalve on my Deville TRC that I'd like to fix myself. It leaks if I bump the TRC lever.
    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    is this what your looking for....
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    And here in the comment section you'll find some useful informations:
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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post
    Does anybody have diagrams of the Deville's guts? I have a leaky airvalve on my Deville TRC that I'd like to fix myself. It leaks if I bump the TRC lever.
    Sounds like a problem with the valve core - you might be able to just tighten it with a valve core remover tool,

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    There's a whole series of o-rings in there that allow it to turn and not leak. I have a new TRC assembly on the way from Toulouse. Hoping to have it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    MF, I've checked the clearances tonight, 5mm on the SC and 7mm on the Devilles with 650b HD's.
    Hia Loamranger,
    Having received your useful advice, (my bike's a Nicolai AM, 26" with 160 travel Deville TRC) - I managed to loan a 650B Hope Pro "Enduro" wheel with a 2.4 Rubber Queen (actually it's a Trail King Protection)
    It feels fantastic.
    I'm using an Angleset (zero stack cup, whereas the bike spec is for a 10mm cup), what with the angle change (-1 to -1.5) and the stack height that headset "drops" the front by about 10-12mm. The 650 B wheel / tyre raises it back up nicely.
    To be honest, it feels as if the bike was made for it, I guess the RQ/TKP tyre might roll easier than the HD 2.3 26 I had on the front, but, for sure, it does feel a touch easier over roots etc. Grippy too.
    I guess I should really compare with an HD 2.3 650B
    I am pretty much sold though.
    Thanks for the encouragement.
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    Hi Mudfish, glad you like the new wheel size upfront. I'm using 650b Magic Mary's...very nice tyre...more grip than HD's. Might be worth a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Hi Mudfish, glad you like the new wheel size upfront. I'm using 650b Magic Mary's...very nice tyre...more grip than HD's. Might be worth a try.
    Hi Loamranger , thanks for the tip, raises a few more questions - sorry 'bout that .

    Is the MagicMary hard to pedal around the trails compared to the HD TS??
    You'd be using the Trailstar 2.35 650B I guess, rather than Vertstar?

    And Snakeskin rather than Gravity??

    Perhaps it's more of a mud tyre than HDTrailstar which can slide a bit in my local clay mud (fab on slippy roots tho), but how is the MagiM on hardpack, as an all rounder (we do get hardpack around Brighton sometimes :})?
    Strange that the MagiciM front is said to be ideally paired with a Rock Razor rear. Seems like a mud tyre front and a dry rear. Love to hear if you try it.

    As Wales is your love I guess the RocRaz might work in the trailcentres.

    How's the MagiM compare to the HD 2.35 TS in diameter, 'bout the same but maybe squarer? you said the HDTS2.35 a dia. of 705mm mounted on Flow Ex's?

    MagiM fits in the Deville OK?

    Maybe even the Idylle?

    The RQ2.4 is pretty tight in the Deville but it's OK, maybe 5mm. It won't even turn in my Idylle SC tho.

    Just looked at your profile, I guess we might both ride the North Downs.

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    I find the Magic Mary to be an all round better tyre than the HD, the diameter is about the same, so it clears the Idylle. Roll is fine. I haven't tried the RR on the back yet and I'm not in a real hurry since the TK is doing a good job out back.

    Sounds like the 650b TK is a really big tyre. I'll guess around 712 dia.?

    Yeah, been riding South Wales quite a bit last year, Bike Park Wales, Forest of Dean, Brefca etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    I find the Magic Mary to be an all round better tyre than the HD, the diameter is about the same, so it clears the Idylle. Roll is fine. I haven't tried the RR on the back yet and I'm not in a real hurry since the TK is doing a good job out back.

    Sounds like the 650b TK is a really big tyre. I'll guess around 712 dia.?

    Yeah, been riding South Wales quite a bit last year, Bike Park Wales, Forest of Dean, Brefca etc
    Yeah, the 650B Conti is 713.5mm by my careful measurement
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    Do you get on OK with the Mary in the Idylle, is it very tight?

    Going on what you said, I'm going to try the Mary on the front.
    SO, for UK riding in the woods with this weather - am I looking for a
    Magic Mary Evolution 2.35
    But is it Snakeskin or SuperGravity
    Trailstar I guess, Vertstar will be very soft to pedal up ?

    For the Alps I guess it's SuperGravity for sure

    For the rear at this time of year would you try the Mary Trailstar too?
    Maybe an HD?

    I think you're using the Conti TK/R-Queen 2.4, is that right?

    thanks lots

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Yeah, the 650B Conti is 713.5mm by my careful measurement
    20psi on a Hope "Tech Enduro" [23mm internal width] rim []Mountain bike news, photos, videos and events - Pinkbike

    Do you get on OK with the Mary in the Idylle, is it very tight?

    Going on what you said, I'm going to try the Mary on the front.
    SO, for UK riding in the woods with this weather - am I looking for a
    Magic Mary Evolution 2.35
    But is it Snakeskin or SuperGravity
    Trailstar I guess, Vertstar will be very soft to pedal up ?

    For the Alps I guess it's SuperGravity for sure

    For the rear at this time of year would you try the Mary Trailstar too?
    Maybe an HD?

    I think you're using the Conti TK/R-Queen 2.4, is that right?

    thanks lots
    Not a bad guess then, at 713mm dia the TK has got to be the biggest 650b tyre out there.

    My Magic Mary is the TS version, bought it in from Germany since they were not available in the UK at that time...they are also a bit cheaper. Worth checking out. I can't remember the company I dealt with off hand but I'll post it if I find out. The clearance with Idylles is about 5mm. Magic M's on the back should be fine particularly in wet conditions.

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    check bike-components.de
    you can switch to english at the bottom

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    check bike-components.de
    you can switch to english at the bottom
    I've bought from them before, they gave a good service. The MM's are about £15 cheaper per tyre compared with the discounted UK price.

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    my deville got stiff (overdampened) despite bleed procedures, it seems so.

    I did read somewhere that it is possible to release air by sticking zip tie through between seal and stanchion. The guy had do it because he stored the fork separated from the bike in odd way.

    I did take apart bike for travel and the problem occurred then.

    Did anyone try that?

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    have you tried taking air out a bit at a time/compress fork until no air is left and then repeating procedure putting air back in? Where did you buy it from? All UK servicing is now done through the BOS factory, so I would drop them a line if all fails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
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    have you tried taking air out a bit at a time/compress fork until no air is left and then repeating procedure putting air back in? Where did you buy it from? All UK servicing is now done through the BOS factory, so I would drop them a line if all fails.
    I did this:
    It is very important to homogenize the two air chambers

    1: Let all air out, cycle the fork a bit 10 - 15mm slowly.

    2: Put some air back in, maybe half the amount you normally use, then follow instructions below at 4
    3: pumping up another 10 psi, follow steps below at 4,
    repeat til you reach your ideal

    4: After having adjusted the air pressure, how to proceed : Push the fork slowly through the first 10 mm (1/3’’).of travel.
    Do it a few times. I do it 7 times after any pressure adjustment

    It worked for me when my newly delivered fork felt absolutely awful.

    Martin at Jungle is very helpful on BOS servicing. You send to France for service via Jungle, it's quite efficient.

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    Hey Mudfish, good to hear that the servicing is good via Jungle....I got this positive feedback from another source as well. It probably is the best arrangement, since it puts the emphasis on BOS to deliver.

    Tomasis, follow Mudfish's suggestion and that hopefully will sort you.

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    BOS suspension

    Jungle were supposed to be getting tools and training. When I last had contact think they had tools but no training.
    I had hoped we would get service in UK? Wonder if that's still the case..
    Aka chainline...

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    mad elk cycles are really good to,, so far this year ive had all 3 of my bos forks serviced by them and they came back better than ever, super friendly helpful guys, great service and super fast turnarround to, just got my deville back from them with in 5 days, i highly recomend them,

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    Can anybody save me reading all 1000 posts and recommend a grease to go in the gap beneath the stanchion seals and above the internal wipers? Ta

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRed View Post
    Can anybody save me reading all 1000 posts and recommend a grease to go in the gap beneath the stanchion seals and above the internal wipers? Ta
    May be give JTech a call. 01743 885390

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    Idea! Seals Grease

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRed View Post
    Can anybody save me reading all 1000 posts and recommend a grease to go in the gap beneath the stanchion seals and above the internal wipers? Ta
    BOS uses one piece seals. There are no separate dust wipers and oil seals in the fork. "Internal wipers" that you refer to are bushings.




    I think you also refer to my picture found on pinkbike:




    Anyways, please do NOT overfill that gap with any grease. That can only cause problems. My friend packed that gap tightly with grease and the fork almost locked. Ironically, too much grease can cause more friction. Same thing happen when you pack too much grease in the sealed bearing.

    All you need is to apply grease liberally to the seals. There is no better grease than Slick Honey aka Slickoleum for that application.

    Good luck!
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    Hey BikeBert, nice info

    Are you still riding Knolly?

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    Thanks BikeBert

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Are you still riding Knolly?
    Nope, I switched to Liteville and Syntace for my "Enduro" bike. Check it out here:
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    But I miss my Knolly and I look forward for their carbon offering


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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    MF, I've checked the clearances tonight, 5mm on the SC and 7mm on the Devilles with 650b HD's.
    and when Idylle SC bottom-out, there is enough clearance between the tyre and the upper crown???

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    Quote Originally Posted by goncallf View Post
    and when Idylle SC bottom-out, there is enough clearance between the tyre and the upper crown???
    I don't have either fork anymore, so I can't double check. I had no problem in use. But it would be to check first. Perhaps another user can help out here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    I don't have either fork anymore, so I can't double check. I had no problem in use. But it would be to check first. Perhaps another user can help out here?
    And what fork do you have now? I confess that i'm afraid to change to other brand. I'm searching a new 170/180mm fork that gives me the same feeling as Idylle and Deville. I have already had a Lyrik 170 Solo Air RC2 DH, but don't the same damper quality as BOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goncallf View Post
    And what fork do you have now? I confess that i'm afraid to change to other brand. I'm searching a new 170/180mm fork that gives me the same feeling as Idylle and Deville. I have already had a Lyrik 170 Solo Air RC2 DH, but don't the same damper quality as BOS.
    I'm using a 650b 180 Fox 36 which I can recommend. Performance very close to BOS but with the advantage of easy service and great back up from Mojo.

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