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    I think I've got full travel back on my Devilles (not actually riden yet). I followed Mad Elk's advice and pulled up on the crown to extend to full length and then let all the air out and pumped up again, cycling every 3 bars up to 9 bar and then adjusted to ride pressure. Not in a hurry to try since I'm really liking the Idylles at the moment. Probably going to use the Devilles with a lighter 650b build I have in mind. Next, I'm going to get my Stoy retuned for my new frame to replace the DB air. I'm sceptical if the new BOS air forks are going to be as good as the old coil's, since switching from Devilles to Idylle I can really feel the difference.

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    @Tdmax: i wonder if the detergents in your bike wash have caused issues - you dnt use muc off or such thing do you? My seals are mint and I ride in all sorts of crap (Uk weather and all that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    I think I've got full travel back on my Devilles (not actually riden yet). I followed Mad Elk's advice and pulled up on the crown to extend to full length and then let all the air out and pumped up again, cycling every 3 bars up to 9 bar and then adjusted to ride pressure. Not in a hurry to try since I'm really liking the Idylles at the moment. Probably going to use the Devilles with a lighter 650b build I have in mind. Next, I'm going to get my Stoy retuned for my new frame to replace the DB air. I'm sceptical if the new BOS air forks are going to be as good as the old coil's, since switching from Devilles to Idylle I can really feel the difference.
    I have a couple of friends who have all jumped onto DH air Idylles from the coil versions and swear by them over the coil versions. Im likely going to try a set and a void next year, feel free to come have a go when they are here. Would be good to catchup again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy View Post
    I have a couple of friends who have all jumped onto DH air Idylles from the coil versions and swear by them over the coil versions. Im likely going to try a set and a void next year, feel free to come have a go when they are here. Would be good to catchup again.
    If that's the case then I'm getting some as well. They won't be as reliable though? And they don't have 1 1/8 steerer which is an advantage when fitting to a 1.5 head tube because you can keep the front lower by using a ZS bottom cup. When is the SC air available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingboy View Post
    @Tdmax: i wonder if the detergents in your bike wash have caused issues - you dnt use muc off or such thing do you? My seals are mint and I ride in all sorts of crap (Uk weather and all that).
    Hi Viking, i usually clean my bikes only by water, i use a drop of soap only on the frame.
    Usually i need only to remove dry dust, Rarely i ride on mud because here we have a lot of rocks and gravel.
    I use a motorbike soap but i always used it on all my bikes and motorbikes and this is the first time i have a problem.

    About lubricating stanchion i think it would be useful on wet condition, in my case i think that oil can attract dust. Am i right?

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    How do you lube the stanchion? I try to keep it clean and avoid to wash with water/detergent but i've never lube it. After 8 months of abuse mine is getting a bit dry and lost the initial extra plush feeling, anyway is awesome. In the next month there's an enduro race, after that i plan to make a service.

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    Bos say not to use anything at all but I quite like a little spray of this stuff....and then wipe down so its not dripping and doesnt attract grime and crud. My seals are like new on both sets of forks I have (devilles and Idylles)

    Fork Juice

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    Do you wash your forks only with water right?
    I usually do the same.

    Sometime i use teflonglide oil (protone suspensions special product).

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    Quote Originally Posted by juan_manuel View Post
    How do you lube the stanchion? I try to keep it clean and avoid to wash with water/detergent but i've never lube it. After 8 months of abuse mine is getting a bit dry and lost the initial extra plush feeling, anyway is awesome. In the next month there's an enduro race, after that i plan to make a service.
    Fork Juice spray or Stendec fork grease.

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    I use Brunox Deo fork lube after rides

    also I recommend you to check the oil level in air leg -> I had the same issues (not feeling very plush) and after oil check (there was none!) the fork became amazing again

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    Quote Originally Posted by thresh View Post
    I use Brunox Deo fork lube after rides

    also I recommend you to check the oil level in air leg -> I had the same issues (not feeling very plush) and after oil check (there was none!) the fork became amazing again
    How did you do it?
    I don't know how to open the fork
    on one leg there is a socked head scew, ok, but on the other?
    You need to remove knobs?

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    For sure mine has little oil but i dont want to service or open if i dont have the dustwiper seals or other stuff thats needs to be replaced.
    I'll try to get that fork juice, looks delicious 😁



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    Pilot, Viking,
    Like you guys I love the S**Toy on my 26" '011 AM.
    Having just got a VIP'r from Dipper, though, I have to say that's a hell of a lot easier to pedal. It's very smooth too, very grippy, good on roots. Of course I'm sureI can't expect it to hold up as well on big "Alpine" rocks as the Stoy, but right now in the woods it's giving me a far easier time pedalling up.
    I have quite a few BOS bits now so I really hope UK servicing works out with the Irish bunch.

    Man the mud is sticky here in Brighton, full of leaves too, really blocks the transmission big time. The woods are certainly looking beautiful though.
    Viking, I must come up to Swinley again when (if) it dries out a bit, riding your tracks was a great day out. Thanks again of the session.
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    I've got a Deville 170 and a Vip'r on my Helius AM, and they work very well!
    But i may use them a bit too hard





    For the moment, nothing goes wrong... It works exactly as i want!

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    I'd be carefull with Brunox. I dont think BOS recommend this solution to their forks as it dissolves the grease from underneath the seals.

    Regarding the Mad Elk boys they are well known here in Dublin. Sound lads and very passionate riders. Good luck to them.

    Got my Deville of them last week and had a chat with them. They did the servicing training in France and I saw they had the BOS tools too.

    I thought my Lyriks were awesome but no - this is awesome. Ordered a Vipr too to as at the moment my bike rides like a racing horse shot in the arse - amazingly performing front bouncers + rear monarch RT3 trying to follow

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    Fork Juice and Brunox

    Quote Originally Posted by lukaDH View Post
    I'd be carefull with Brunox. I dont think BOS recommend this solution to their forks as it dissolves the grease from underneath the seals.

    Regarding the Mad Elk boys they are well known here in Dublin. Sound lads and very passionate riders. Good luck to them.

    Got my Deville of them last week and had a chat with them. They did the servicing training in France and I saw they had the BOS tools too.

    I thought my Lyriks were awesome but no - this is awesome. Ordered a Vipr too to as at the moment my bike rides like a racing horse shot in the arse - amazingly performing front bouncers + rear monarch RT3 trying to follow
    Hia,

    Good to have your opinion of the Mad Elk guys, such a releif that we now have an English speaking Service centre.

    Enjoy your Deville, it's pretty tough, designed for Enduro, developed by monsieur Vouilloz I think, have you seen the vid. of him on Devilles. He rides pretty hard (smooth tho).
    Vouilloz testing the BOS Deville
    Mind you, if you like the Deville you might love the Idylle SC, fair bit more hardcore and even better than Deville in some ways, stiffer for sure, definitely has the same "family" feel.
    Mind you, so does VIP'r and S**Toy.

    Is Brunox similar to Fork Juice? BOS definitely dont want solvents near there but
    I think a silicon lube spray is ok, BOS manual says:
    "3.2 Cleaning your forks
    It is compulsory to clean your forks every time you use them, without waiting !
    Nothingís worse for your forkís seals than dry mud.
    It is very simple to clean your forks : wipe off the stanchion with a clean rag and then slightly lube the stanchion (with silicon based product). Use of degreaser is totally forbidden.
    On the same note do not power wash the forks! It will only push the mud inside the forks and get it stuck between the stanchion and the seals."

    Have fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    definitely has the same "family" feel.
    Mind you, so does VIP'r and S**Toy.

    Neil
    Deville are lighter than the Idylle and I needed 170mm max. For the rear I wanted to get the Void but no luck since they don't come in 200x57 sizes. I'd say Vipr will be a good match for the devilles and more balanced on uphills.

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    Hi

    Does anyone have any experience of the vip'r clicking as it goes through its travel in the soft setting? It's fairly loud and pretty off putting when riding. The shock is new and had been back to France already but it's come back and still sounding a touch ropey. It's on a tracer 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StressedComa View Post
    Hi

    Does anyone have any experience of the vip'r clicking as it goes through its travel in the soft setting? It's fairly loud and pretty off putting when riding. The shock is new and had been back to France already but it's come back and still sounding a touch ropey. It's on a tracer 2.
    It's "normal":
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    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/kePFecgCaBU?version=3&hl=fr_FR" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="480" width="853"></object>

    It depends of the setting. You can't change it.

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    I never heard that
    Have you really carefully gone through the equalisation?
    Are you SURE it's the shock?
    Can you put the old one back on and not have the noise?
    If so, you then need to look at the shock mounting points [bushings] carefully.
    Could it be the bar, the seat, the seatpost??

    - I sometimes work in a bike shop and strange noises from bikes are the basis of much discussion. They can come from the weirdest places.
    Example - carbon bike, creaking rear dropouts - no - front mech band was the cause!
    Creaking suspension bushings? no - seat rails!
    Creaking crankset, no bar/stem interface.
    and on and on.

    It sometimes feels like the old VW ad :
    WWW DOT youtube.com/watch?v=JF-KJ5-KNQk
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    Well... When we speak of strange sounds:

    <object height="480" width="853">


    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Ozu_aREBFY?version=3&hl=fr_FR" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="480" width="853">

    My Deville doesn't work as it should </object>

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    Quote Originally Posted by akdmonsters View Post
    Well... When we speak of strange sounds:

    <object height="480" width="853">


    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8Ozu_aREBFY?version=3&hl=fr_FR" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="480" width="853">

    My Deville doesn't work as it should </object>
    since 1 week ago???

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    since 1 week ago???
    No, since i fixed it on my bike: today. It's new!

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    Sounds like low oil level. I had the same problems. Seems they do not fill too well in the factory. It IS a pain to fill properly, and it takes time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akdmonsters View Post
    No, since i fixed it on my bike: today. It's new!
    You definitely need to balance the chambers, I posted instructions above. It doesn't sound right though. Please let us know how it turns out
    Neil

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    You definitely need to balance the chambers


    For Info: It's my third Deville...

    I alredy balanced the chambers twice and it is still doing the same noise...

    So, i called directly Bos this morning and they sent me a new one for saturday.
    I hope that It will arrive on time...
    And for info, this sound could also come from a spring fixed in a wrong place

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    Ah, right,
    You like them then I guess.
    Thats good service from BOS
    hope it does arrive fast

    Did you have to speak French to them?

    I didnt realise it had any springs inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akdmonsters View Post


    For Info: It's my third Deville...

    I alredy balanced the chambers twice and it is still doing the same noise...

    So, i called directly Bos this morning and they sent me a new one for saturday.
    I hope that It will arrive on time...
    And for info, this sound could also come from a spring fixed in a wrong place

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Ah, right,
    You like them then I guess.
    Thats good service from BOS
    hope it does arrive fast

    Did you have to speak French to them?

    I didnt realise it had any springs inside.

    N
    Well, i'm French and i live near Paris.

    So, my new deville arrived today, just 24h exactly after the sending
    And It works perfectly.
    I have to thank my shop and Bos for this reactivity.

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    new distributor for the uk - surf sales .com - no mention on servicing though that i can see ? - good news for uk owners hopefully

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    Surf Sales / BOS servicing

    Quote Originally Posted by fumanchu View Post
    new distributor for the uk - surf sales .com - no mention on servicing though that i can see ? - good news for uk owners hopefully
    It is indeed -
    I see this now:
    On movember 26th Surf Sales signed a new distribution contract with what we regard as the finest mountain bike suspension engineered today, to complement it we'll be opening a service centre with full back up and we'll be offering the suspension as an upgrade to Transition bikes, notably The Bandit & Covert Carbon deville.
    Our service centre staff training commences on December 17th and stock is expected by the middle of the month, certainly in enough time to commence 2013 with products and service capability.

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    That's great to know, thanks for the reply. Relieved that BOS finally have a reliable partner in the uk.

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    Dave at Stendec advertises on his site that he servives Bos suspension.

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    That should have read" services" Bos in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillijo1 View Post
    That's great to know, thanks for the reply. Relieved that BOS finally have a reliable partner in the uk.
    To be fair to R53 I think they themselves were a reliable company. Roger certainly knows his stuff with suspension.
    I hope that the size of Surf Sales will help them hold stock of parts aswell as components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    To be fair to R53 I think they themselves were a reliable company. Roger certainly knows his stuff with suspension.
    I hope that the size of Surf Sales will help them hold stock of parts aswell as components.
    R53 are very good,I think its more to do with BOS not supporting them with parts.

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    Hi bikers,
    Stefan and Michal here, we thought that as custom bike specialists/Bos suspension authorized service center we want to make a little bit more special about our service as bike shop. We are fully equipped with Bos manufactured tools and spare parts. We offer you our helping hand. If there are any queries about Bos mtb suspension or any other products feel free to contact us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madelkcycles.com View Post
    Hi bikers,
    Stefan and Michal here, we thought that as custom bike specialists/Bos suspension authorized service center we want to make a little bit more special about our service as bike shop. We are fully equipped with Bos manufactured tools and spare parts. We offer you our helping hand. If there are any queries about Bos mtb suspension or any other products feel free to contact us.
    Good to know that theres still some service/backup..

    Will they be releasing any 650b/27.5" Forks???

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    Service and info of Bos Deville and Vip'r

    Hello Guys,


    Where is you bike shop? I would like to know if is possible to modify the travel of my Deville 160mm TRC to 170mm? I would like to do this mod and also service my fork and shock. Since four months ago I have tried to contact BOS directly without any result, and my fork and shock need service.

    Thank you for your attention and time, waiting for your reply.


    Regards,


    Quote Originally Posted by madelkcycles.com View Post
    Hi bikers,
    Stefan and Michal here, we thought that as custom bike specialists/Bos suspension authorized service center we want to make a little bit more special about our service as bike shop. We are fully equipped with Bos manufactured tools and spare parts. We offer you our helping hand. If there are any queries about Bos mtb suspension or any other products feel free to contact us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcosam View Post
    Good to know that theres still some service/backup..

    Will they be releasing any 650b/27.5" Forks???
    What we know there is new All-mountain platform being released in spring time. We haven't heard about bos 650b forks yet. But actual bos forks have enough clearance for 650b wheel, claimed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Andres Velez View Post
    Hello Guys,


    Where is you bike shop? I would like to know if is possible to modify the travel of my Deville 160mm TRC to 170mm? I would like to do this mod and also service my fork and shock. Since four months ago I have tried to contact BOS directly without any result, and my fork and shock need service.

    Thank you for your attention and time, waiting for your reply.


    Regards,
    Hi there,
    We are located in Dublin, Ireland.

    According to conversion question I double check with guys in France. What I can see you need to re-built internals witch gonna cost more then just "a spacer" . But I will come back to you with definite answer asap.

    About the servicing your suspension just pack it with service form filled out. The form can be found at
    Contact us - Mad Elk Cycles and follow instructions there. it takes up to 7 working days to get back your fork/shock when in Europe.

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    Second ride in my 140 Devills and they have packed down and wont rise, i have added air and tried to equalise but even with 8bar they wont go higher than 80mm ish,
    When all the air is let out they suck right down, crown to seals, has anyone any advice or tips please before i send them off and it costs me money.
    Sorry if this has been covered but i could not see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godzilla1 View Post
    Second ride in my 140 Devills and they have packed down and wont rise, i have added air and tried to equalise but even with 8bar they wont go higher than 80mm ish,
    When all the air is let out they suck right down, crown to seals, has anyone any advice or tips please before i send them off and it costs me money.
    Sorry if this has been covered but i could not see it.
    Hi godzilla, try pulling up on the crown while holding down on the axle so that they extend to full travel and then equalise in small steps up to 9 bar. Then finally reduce to working pressure. Let us know how you get on.

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    I tried this but the forks are very powerful, when the button on the shock pump is pressed they suck down and i cant hold them apart.

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    ok, try equalising in reverse by reducing the pressure bit by bit. Seems like pressure build up in the negative chamber? You might want to ring Mad Elks and discuss the problem with them.

    Mad Elk Cycles - Bos susspension authorized distributors,warranty & service center

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    Quote Originally Posted by godzilla1 View Post
    I tried this but the forks are very powerful, when the button on the shock pump is pressed they suck down and i cant hold them apart.
    Add the high air pressure back to fork. While proceeding the equalization with continuous releasing of the air little by little it should bring the pressure low in negative chamber. As it's explained above pressure built in negative chamber needs to be equalized back with positive one. It's worth to have a friend handy who can help you pull fork apart. See how that works and let us know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Andres Velez View Post
    Hello Guys,


    Where is you bike shop? I would like to know if is possible to modify the travel of my Deville 160mm TRC to 170mm? I would like to do this mod and also service my fork and shock. Since four months ago I have tried to contact BOS directly without any result, and my fork and shock need service.

    Thank you for your attention and time, waiting for your reply.


    Regards,
    here is update regarding to conversion from 160TRC to 170:
    1. new air chamber unit(piston,shaft,support)
    2. new cap to replace TRC one
    3. change height of lower slide bushes( replacing all bushes + seals to complete a job)
    4. modify cartridge or buy new one.
    The whole job would cost you quite a lot. I recommend you to buy a new one.
    Stefan

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    Love my BOS Suuspension and have 2 forks + 2 shocks unfortunately Surf Sales apparently still don't have the service kit and are not hearing back from BOS.
    BOS themselves didn't reply to my email [in French] requesting service 9 days ago.
    So, I'm sending my Deville and S**Toy to the very friendly and helpful James at J-Tech
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    Vikingboy said "Just Believe" [quoting Jedi] he's right. I am doing.

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    Hi mudfish, that's not good news that Surf are not up and running, probably not their fault. Let us know how you get on with J Tech. I need a retune on my Stoy and was thinking of asking Mad Elks to do the work.

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    Hi Loam-er
    yep, I'll post back, he was busy, so in a couple of weeks.
    neil

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    Hi - question for BOS/Nicolai experts on here - I have a Lapierre Spicy, and bought a Vip'r for it direct from BOS. I'm thinking of swapping for the Nicolai Ion 16 - does anyone know if I need a retune of the shock for the new frame? I'm hoping that I don't, since the suspension layout and leverage should be about the same.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by honourablegeorge View Post
    Hi - question for BOS/Nicolai experts on here - I have a Lapierre Spicy, and bought a Vip'r for it direct from BOS. I'm thinking of swapping for the Nicolai Ion 16 - does anyone know if I need a retune of the shock for the new frame? I'm hoping that I don't, since the suspension layout and leverage should be about the same.....
    http://www.bosmtb.com/pdf/ViprChart.pdf Ion 16 not listed, so check directly with BOS

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    Yeah, have dropped BOS a mail, no reply yet, so I figured I'd try here. They're never the quickest with responses...

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    Looking at Linkage reveals a quite different curve on the Ion compared to the Spicy, particularly at the beginning and end where the Ion continues to be progressive, albeit less so, where as the Spicy becomes regressive. Spicy also regressive/linear at the beginning.

    So it may be that compression damping could be reduced on the Nicolaia the end stroke and/or the volume of the air chamber increased as it would need less bottom out resistance. You can do the volume change easily.

    But ultimately I don't know so you have to wait for BOS! sorry
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    Yeah. Same tune on the Spicy as the Helius AM (VIP01) but a few extra O-Rings inside the negative chamber - but as you say the Ion will be different. I guess I'll be adding the expense of a retune to the list - not good, I already blew my bike budget on a Makulu frame with Stoy...

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    similar leverage ratios though so might be ok.
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    Hello riders,

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    One doubt: Deville with or without TRC? Canīt decide...

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    Without a doubt no TRC

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    Quote Originally Posted by marccastellana View Post
    Without a doubt no TRC
    +1 no TRC, totally redundant feature IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax_Eco View Post
    One doubt: Deville with or without TRC? Canīt decide...
    I don't. think you NEED the TRC. I have it and I only use occasionally, tough to say if I'd miss it on those long smooth climbs.
    I'm sure it adds complication - If it's an upchgarge don't bother, if it's free or inexpensive, why not.

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    Hi guys
    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Hi Loam-er
    yep, I'll post back, he was busy, so in a couple of weeks.
    neil
    Initial report back about my service by J-Tech.
    James was very helpful and serviced my DeVille and replaced the rebound adjuster on my S**Toy. Work looks good, it all came back promptly and well packed but I'm injured so not yet had chance to try.
    Interestingly James pointed out that on the DeVille (with less than a years use) some contamination had found it's way past the left seal. SO, I'd say they definitely need annual attention.
    Whilst the fork was with James, I had him get Invisiframe make up some protective "decals" [which they also fitted as mine were the first DeVille's they'd done, so they cut the pattern and :test" fitted the protection]. Very neat. And now you can get the kit by mail.
    j-techsuspension.co.uk - Invisiframe
    Will get back with proper test results when I can.
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    @marc castellana the faster BOS can come out with a quality 34mm station or bigger 150mm 29er fork the better. I did say this about 18months ago though...

    I do miss my Deville damping...but we do need a bit more stiffness in the 29er chassis. it would appear my Fox 34 at 150 is on the limit and gets fluttery under hard braking.

    We just need an Idylle SC with a longer lowers...
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    That would be sweet, but would it sell? The SC is pretty weighty - it would so make a great 29er though. On my XC 29er a 100mm travel 32mm stanchioned Fox does OK, but, then it's only a 100 mm brake and 2" tyre. I do feel some twiddly-ness in the steering occasionally, for sure.

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    True. A 29er 150mm Deville would be better but would 34mm be enough? I guess that's my question. 2.3kg would be an acceptable weight if the stiffness was right the Idylle is 2.6kg I think? Maybe that's the Dorado at 175mm (too big)
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    Can anyone get me a picture of a Deville crown (I would like to see the buttons) from a NON TRC model? Thanks!

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    I'm in the market for a new shock for my AC. Vip'r sounds like it would be perfect, but I have to admit all the tales of warranty and customer service woe in this thread have me looking at X-Fusion and Cane Creek more closely. And maybe Fox if they don't work out. Seems like a pity though...

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    does anyone here have good or bad experience with the deville?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frgeoff View Post
    does anyone here have good or bad experience with the deville?
    Bloody brilliant fork. Much better than the Fox FIT Kashima forks they replaced. They have ample adjustment on the compression and rebound which actually does something, so you can fine tune your fork over time. Fox seams to have gone the dummies route having these scilly CTD settings! everyone is different and likes their suspension setup slightly different. All you need is some patience and to adjust the settings slightly and over time you will find the sweet spot for you and your riding style.

    The forks are super smooth, stand up really well in their travel with very little brake dive, Stiff as well. They come highly recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frgeoff View Post
    does anyone here have good or bad experience with the deville?
    DeVille is a fabulous fork. Forget the carpark test and get onto a trail with them once you fit.. and stick with standard settings for a few rides to get used to the BOS feel before aktering settings.
    You have to make sure to follow the rebalance procedure after changing pressure and they do ideally need an annual service (not a home job) as they can let a little contamination past the seals even though kept really clean after rides.
    Only the Idylle SC is better.
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    It would be a pity, I saty get the VipR for sure. Mine has been fabulous. It just lets the bike mould with the trail, its one of those shocks the just "disappears" in use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frgeoff View Post
    does anyone here have good or bad experience with the deville?
    As people have said a very good fork. The only draw back has been the poor servicing record here in the UK, not the fault of the distributors but BOS unable to supply parts. And from what I gather things are not getting any better. Surf Sales who are the new distributors in the UK have been waiting since January for their tooling and parts so that they can get going. Just make sure that the US distributor can deliver parts and service. The performance is so much better than other forks that it might be worth taking the risk that you can get it serviced. Otherwise take a look at Avy cartridges. Let us know what you decide.

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    Awesomeness personified in terms of performance, agree with all said. downside has ben service parts in UK, hopefully that will be sorted.

    I would love a set for my 29er. I just hope what they develop is at least 150mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Awesomeness personified in terms of performance, agree with all said. downside has ben service parts in UK, hopefully that will be sorted.

    I would love a set for my 29er. I just hope what they develop is at least 150mm.
    hi Pilot
    Short ride with my (26" AM) + idylle SC (temporarily replacing the DeVille) and the Easton 35 carbon bars yesterday.
    Wow, the steering placement is amazing on slippery rooted off camber and though ruts. The fork stiffness was like being back on the VAN 36 in ruts, but with proper controlled compliant damping (plus with the stiffer bars even better I'd say). Maybe a 650b 150mm bike with SC is the answer.
    I cant see BOS making a tough enough 29er fork (SC based) as the weight would mean a small market share. I hope they do though.
    Wonder how many of the, frankly fantastic, SC they sell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frgeoff View Post
    does anyone here have good or bad experience with the deville?
    I ran a set for a while. They felt nice. Different to a Fox/RS/Marz in the way they work.

    Better? Subjective of course. I replaced mine as BOS are nothing short of a complete pain in the ass to deal with, hence why they go through distributors every couple of years. For all the promises from Surf Sales (new UK distributor) they (3 months later) still arn't up & running.

    My Deville's crapped themselves & couldn't be fixed as BOS couldn't get the parts out for 3 months. Not prepared have to run 2 sets of forks just in case they couldn't be fixed.

    Regarding the performance of the fork, when they worked, they really arn't 'leagues ahead/another level/night & day blah blah' over the comparable other forks. I would suggest they are actually no better at all. I went no quicker when I had them, and didn't slow down when I took them off, which my results in races reflect. I've won races with them, and without.

    Personally, I would pick the fork that is easiest to look after & get spares for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    hi Pilot
    Short ride with my (26" AM) + idylle SC (temporarily replacing the DeVille) and the Easton 35 carbon bars yesterday.
    Wow, the steering placement is amazing on slippery rooted off camber and though ruts. The fork stiffness was like being back on the VAN 36 in ruts, but with proper controlled compliant damping (plus with the stiffer bars even better I'd say). Maybe a 650b 150mm bike with SC is the answer.
    I cant see BOS making a tough enough 29er fork (SC based) as the weight would mean a small market share. I hope they do though.
    Wonder how many of the, frankly fantastic, SC they sell?
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    For your info the Idylle will take a 650b, just. Not much clearance with a 2.3 HD, but enough.

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    LR writes "The Idylle will take a 650b"
    Thanks LR
    Hmm, I wonder what a 650 just on the front would do to the AM.
    Is it different enough to the 26 with 2.3 HD to feel?
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    BB would rise a touch I guess, maybe 4mm
    Rubs chin thoughtfully
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    MF, bb changes less than 5mm and head angle less than half a degree depending on what rear tyre your using. 650b 2.3 HD TRS has a wheel dia. of 705mm mounted on Flow Ex's and the clearance is about 6mm. I'm running the largest dia. 26 inch tyres on the back which are 2.4 Conti RQ's and they measure around 695 mm wheel dia. There are some larger dia. 650b tyres with wheel dia of around 710mm but they would definately be too close for comfort on the SC's. The Deville has more clearance and I intend using them on a 650b specific frame later this year.

    The HD works well as a front tyre but get the TRS version.

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    Hi Loamranger.
    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    MF, bb changes less than 5mm and head angle less than half a degree depending on what rear tyre your using. 650b 2.3 HD TRS has a wheel dia. of 705mm mounted on Flow Ex's and the clearance is about 6mm. I'm running the largest dia. 26 inch tyres on the back which are 2.4 Conti RQ's and they measure around 695 mm wheel dia. There are some larger dia. 650b tyres with wheel dia of around 710mm but they would definately be too close for comfort on the SC's. The Deville has more clearance and I intend using them on a 650b specific frame later this year.

    The HD works well as a front tyre but get the TRS version.
    ah, thanks for the info

    interesting, good to know the Deville has more clearance - my AM does normally have a Deville 160 on it for "XC or XXXC and local woods duty".
    Does the 650 really feel much different, though, with an increase in dia of only 10mm over your rear tyre of choice?

    Is there a significantly different feel to a 650B26 bike [B6] over a 26/26?
    I'd definitely like to try it but the wheel/tyre is not cheap.

    would a 710mm 650B tyre go in the Deville do you think?
    what tyre is that? a nice one?

    I'll have a measure up too.

    I have a Schwalbe HD 26 on the front and do like it.

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Hi Loamranger.

    ah, thanks for the info

    interesting, good to know the Deville has more clearance - my AM does normally have a Deville 160 on it for "XC or XXXC and local woods duty".
    Does the 650 really feel much different, though, with an increase in dia of only 10mm over your rear tyre of choice?

    Is there a significantly different feel to a 650B26 bike [B6] over a 26/26?
    I'd definitely like to try it but the wheel/tyre is not cheap.

    would a 710mm 650B tyre go in the Deville do you think?
    what tyre is that? a nice one?

    I'll have a measure up too.

    I have a Schwalbe HD 26 on the front and do like it.

    thanks
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    I was running 26inch 2.4 RQ's back and front before switching, so the only beefy 650b option was the HD. I have had no experience of the HD in 26inch before I switched, but found switching to the 650b version gave me better rolling momentum and grip.
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    MF, I've checked the clearances tonight, 5mm on the SC and 7mm on the Devilles with 650b HD's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    I was running 26inch 2.4 RQ's back and front before switching, so the only beefy 650b option was the HD. I have had no experience of the HD in 26inch before I switched, but found switching to the 650b version gave me better rolling momentum and grip.
    thanks
    hmm, tempting
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    I can't decide, Deville 170mm or the Idylle SC Air 180mm?

    AM rig, I mostly pedal up for DH tracks or the bike park. Have found that 160mm Van is not enough fork... is a 170mm going to be that much better? I like the Idylle with 36mm stanchions, but it has only one compression adjust-as apposed to Hi and Low on the deville. Deville is quite a bit cheaper as well.

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    I think its about damping quality rather than travel. I had a VAN 36 and liked the stability against twisting but not the damping. After that the Deville, fabulous supportive damping without the need to run the fork too stiff. I spent a few rides trying to get it to "feel"like what I was used to but the reverted to BOS standard settings and gave up "carpark" testing. Run that way it was fabulous.
    I dod notice some deflection through ruts and oblique roots and missed the stiffness of the VAN a bit. I told myself that some flex might be good, looking at the Boxxers success and skinny legs ;-).
    However, Vikingboy (on here) gave me a little run on his beautiful custom Spech SX with the SC (coil) on it and I was blown away. Amazing. The Deville had turned up the dial on performance and the SC did it again.
    The SC makes the front of my Helius AM feel fabulous, very smooth, amazing traction, confidence inspiring. I never tried the air version lucky you, what a great choice you have from BOS. If you like the bikepark, definitely get the SC. You definitely don't need more knobs to adjust, I leave both Deville and Idylle SC (coil) on factory settings, same as I learned to do with the S**Toy I have on the back for gnarly duties (eventually, after a lot of fruitless adjustments, chasing if the feel I thought I wanted, I learned to follow the BOS credo)it's not like Fox damping a all. Go for it!
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    Anybody have experience of both the coil and air versions of the SC? Any performance advantages over coil version apart from the weight drop of about 0.5lb ? I'm happy with the coil but just interested to find out more about the air version.

    And what about the Void? Who's got one? It would be nice to have some feedback.

    MF, I wished I had my Stoy installed, I've been waiting for Surf Sales to get the necessary tooling from BOS to get it retuned for the new bike and it's taking forever. I'm sure I will prefer it over the CCDB air which I'm currently using, although the DB air is very good.

    djball, sounds like the SC would be a good fit for you. I hear 650b versions will be out later this year so you may want to wait?

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    BOS confirm 650b and 29 er forks, plus new AM Deville and shock

    SOC13: BOS Introduces New 27.5/650B, Enduro Specific Fork & Shock, Plus Weights - Bike Rumor

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    I've been running Bos Devilles and a VipíR on my YT since November last year and the VipíR is making a 'reet noise' its squeaking louder than bed springs on a honeymoon! It wasn't as bad in winter but now on dare i say dusty trails its unbelievably annoying. Has anyone else had this issue and whats the crac with returning things to BOS? good/bad/timescales??
    Thanks for the input Steve

    Sorry if this has been covered before but 40pages of posts is a lot to sift through ;D

    Note: I know its not Nicolai related but the FR has a CCDB coil and that aint ever going to squeek!

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    My Deville 160 TRC started leaking oil from the top of the leg, from under the rebound adjustments.

    Any ideas on how to fix and/or what o-rings should I buy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey View Post
    I've been running Bos Devilles and a Vip’R on my YT since November last year and the Vip’R is making a 'reet noise' its squeaking louder than bed springs on a honeymoon! It wasn't as bad in winter but now on dare i say dusty trails its unbelievably annoying. Has anyone else had this issue and whats the crac with returning things to BOS? good/bad/timescales??
    Thanks for the input Steve

    Sorry if this has been covered before but 40pages of posts is a lot to sift through ;D

    Note: I know its not Nicolai related but the FR has a CCDB coil and that aint ever going to squeek!
    The Vip'r is a squeaky shock, but works great. They are coming with a revised Vip'r 2 now that does not make so much noise. Maybe the old ones will be retrofitable. It will be known in a few days.

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    BOS suspension

    Has anyone sent anything BOS related back to surf sales yet? I remember them being a bit slack with Transition stuff :/
    "When the gate drops the bullshit stops"

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakeyakey View Post
    Has anyone sent anything BOS related back to surf sales yet? I remember them being a bit slack with Transition stuff :/
    try J-Tech I'm happy with them

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    try J-Tech I'm happy with them
    can the jtech guy get parts if needed to repair bos products, would he beable to get replacement parts off surfsales, or can he only do basic service. oil change and seals.

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    call James at J-Tech and tell him what you need doing - I think parts are an issue, last I asked, Surf Sales didn't have any yet, although that was a couple of months back

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    i asked surfsales on the 21st march and clem replied saying it would be another 3 weeks before they were ready to start, does anyone know if theyre up and running now.
    jtec sounds good, and prices are very reasonable to.

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    J-Tech BOS servicing

    I didn't think it was possible but my one year old 160 TRC DeVille is working even better after James at J-Tech serviced it. James did say it was due a service as some dirt had started to get past one of the seals so I guess it may have slowly deteriorated.

    James uses SKF Fox seals, I believe.

    Someone told me that those SKF seals had such low stiction that it meant that Fox had to alter the damping a little as they made the fork so smooth, I'd say that's exactly what I am feeling, it's now even smoother than it was. I might have to move a few clicks away from base settings now. (firmer)
    What's really nice is that the TRC adjuster definitely makes it easier to pedal standing on smooth climbs now. It was very subtle before, now it's noticeable.
    I also had his "Invisiframe" surface protection system
    j-techsuspension.co.uk - Invisiframe
    very nice protection kit I'd say.
    happy trails
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    MF, nice thanks for letting us know

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    More from J-Tech (for BOS service, based in the UK).

    As I am thinking of sending in my BOS Idylle SC for a once over I asked James about the parts that generally wear on BOS stuff and how he deals with that -
    he replied that he has pretty much "all wearing parts" for the DeVille, VIPr, Idylle and S**Toy.
    Of course it's important to discuss what's wrong before sending - but it does sound promising.
    I emailed BOS in February about getting my Deville serviced [including a French translation] and I've still not had a reply. At that time Surf Sales still had no parts.
    neil

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    VipR travel - question to VipR / AM owners

    Hi BOS lovers,
    I have a VipR (and Deville) on my 2012 AM (normally run in the shortest travel lever setting). A VipR's a lot easier to pedal about the woods than the S**Toy (and Idylle SC) I use for "uplift" type trips.
    Inside the Deville aircan (positive air chamber) were five "O" rings. I took out 2 because with the right air pressure for sag (measured seated, hands off, with pack etc. ready to ride) - I am never getting anywhere near full travel.

    Don't get me wrong, as it has the right tune (VIP01 or 02, I think) the bike certainly feels great, but it would be nice to think that I might get near full travel on a big impact. I don't, there's about 15mm of shaft that seems to never gets used.

    Of course, there should always be a bit left for that unexpected drop ;-).

    So, my question to any "post 2010" AM / Deville users - anyone out there with the correct sag setting who'se getting near full travel?

    Maybe I just need to ride harder! Or perhaps set sag based on travel achieved so it's near full on a fairly hard run with some significant impacts.

    Opinions please?

    thanks for a great forum all of you

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    More from J-Tech (for BOS service, based in the UK).

    As I am thinking of sending in my BOS Idylle SC for a once over I asked James about the parts that generally wear on BOS stuff and how he deals with that -
    he replied that he has pretty much "all wearing parts" for the DeVille, VIPr, Idylle and S**Toy.
    Of course it's important to discuss what's wrong before sending - but it does sound promising.
    I emailed BOS in February about getting my Deville serviced [including a French translation] and I've still not had a reply. At that time Surf Sales still had no parts.
    neil
    i hope surf sales are up and running now as i just pulled the trigger on another set of devilles for the new bike i am building. hopefully this set will come fully working unlike my last set i got in december 2011, they shipped from bos with no oil in the airside leg. luckily back then we stillhad r53 and they sorted me out within 3 days.
    the more i hear of jtech the more i like them, i might try sending my ndee to him for it's next service. it would be great if bos would give him some spare parts so he could offer repairs and service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delirian View Post
    <snip>

    the more i hear of jtech the more i like them, i might try sending my ndee to him for it's next service. it would be great if bos would give him some spare parts so he could offer repairs and service.
    I agree, he seems to have access to seals and whatever else "wears" - I am planning to send my Idylle SC soon.

    Will also report back on the S**Toy he repaired for me once I've ridden it (damaged [bent! don't ask] rebound adjuster knob replaced and shock recharaged and dyno tested).

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