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    Another FR 08 JOINS THE GANG

    Here is my personal 08 FR. Going to take her out sunday to brake her in. Will right a review between 07 fr and 08 fr after the ride.


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    Frame: Nicolai Helius FR

    Fork: Fox Float 36 RC2
    Rear Shock: Cane Creek With Ti Spring 550
    Stem: Thompson X4
    Handle Bars: Race Face Carbon
    Brakes: Hope Mono Mini
    Wheels: I9 Enduro 5.1
    Cranks; XTR
    Rder X9
    F der XTR
    Shifters: Sram XO
    Cassette: XT
    Chain: PC991
    Seat Post: Race Face
    Seat : WTB

    Weight 31.4
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    Let me be the first to congratulate you on a beautiful ride there. I must admit the black with silver graphics is the money. Let us know how she rides? at that weight she will be awesome for the trails. What type of riding do you do?

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    thanks i do alot of technical and single track don't drops any more whafe rode with us last year,

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    Keep us posted how she rides

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    That a boy,,

    Sweet whip brother,can't wait to hear your thoughts.

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    Looking real good.

    Looking at the head tube its clock up some miles.
    Are you having fun with the FR?

    I must stop looking at the Cane Creak Shocks !
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    That is a lush looking rig.. slick slick slick

    Rear Shock: Cane Creek With Ti Spring 550

    Whats ur weight?

    Is it just me or does the Helius FR have the highest % number of CCDB in peoples builds than any other bike... RFX might come close

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    First Ride on New FR

    Hey guy's just got back from a 3 hour rip on the FR omg! First let me say that when Whafe was talking about the bike i was saying to myself how much better could it be. Well he was right on the bike is so different i don't know where to start.
    1 07 FR is a great bike and i don't want to take anything away from it.
    2 The 07 has so many good quality very stiff, alot of adjustments,meaning you can set it up for trail or hucker, bike park and etc.But by saying that you do loose somethings because the frame to me as my opion is it made to do everything good. Which is good for someone that want a bike for many things.


    08 FR
    To me this bike had alot of thought and time put into it.There are 2 setting for the rear, one for air and the other for coil.To me keep it simple stupid which makes it easy for everyone.When i got on the bike for the first time it felt perfect like my Knolly Endorphin did fit like a glove. Where i had more fiddling with the 07.The seat stay is about 2 to 3 inches shorter then the 07 which makes the bike quicker and easier in tight spots. I also feel again my opion that the CCDB works better on the 08 then the 07.The bike sets up easy for speed drops making it effortless . The bike also climbs better with the shorter rear end when you are at that last push it just pushes you forward to get over the hump.In conclusion the bike is totally redesign and there is a big difference on how it performs.Know remember the 07 is a great bike and in my opion still alot better then most things out there but how Nicolai redid this bike is amazing didn,t think they could improved on perfection but they did. Remeber one thing if you are going to use a air shock on the 08 it has to be a 2stroke shock and the coil has to be 2.25 unless you use a 5.0 DHX air then it the same as the coil. Hope this was helpful for everyone and have a great easter . ncig
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    What size is it?
    Or is it custom geometry?

    I have the impression that German bikes often have the top tube pretty high but it does not look so high in the photos here.

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    HOT DAMN!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S THE HOTTEST BIKE MY EYES HAVE EVER BEHELD!

    one suggestion though, get a black marz 55 to complete the color motif and make her even stealthier! Well done dude!
    I like bikes.

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    The frame is a med and no it is not to highat all.

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    Wow! Nice...
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    The internet sounds like a tough place to ride.

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    ncig - Lookign hot, really awesome looking build and bike, she has come in real light too. Nice..

    Thanks for the write up, glad am not the only one whom feels the difference is huge between an 07 and 08.... It is indeed on the money, I wish I could translate the ride into words, not real good at that... You will all have to take my and others word on it...

    Enjoy that very stealthy beasty ride.... Yeah baby

    Am going to have to try and get up your way again, a fairly big clan of Nicolai's now... Not that that is the only reason to come up there.....
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    Black Marz 55,

    Quote Originally Posted by wasea04
    HOT DAMN!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S THE HOTTEST BIKE MY EYES HAVE EVER BEHELD!

    one suggestion though, get a black marz 55 to complete the color motif and make her even stealthier! Well done dude!
    And what,kill the great ride that comes with having the Fox 36?Ever hear of paint?Trust me Ncig is my boy and he HATES Marz(and for good reason.)

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    Thanks Whafe hope you come again hopefully ther will be more nicolai that will come with you. I have to say that you were totally right about the bike. When i talked to Nicolai they told me they looked for the best setting and travel and geometry to make the fr. From what i see they did that with the Ion too now that is a very expensive frame! Four Thousand us dollars frame only! hope to see the nicolai gang are way soon.

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    Dude, spectacular build! Love the FR, such a nice frame and your build compliments it perfectly.

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    Hey ncig congrats on your new ride! The weight is amazing I should say.


    However I don't quite get this comment:
    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    The rear end is about 2 to 3 inches shorter then the 07 which makes the bike quicker and easier in tight spots.
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    The bike also climbs better with the shorter rear end when you are at that last push it just pushes you forward to get over the hump.
    I used to think that the chainstays were identical on '07 and '08 So I don't quite understand how the rear end of the '08 is 2 to 3 inches shorter and how you felt such a huge improvement in the handling.
    I know the seatstays are made quite a bit shorter but that doesn't affect overall geo of the bike at all
    Could you explain?

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    Hey Smith when i measured the 07 to 08 it was that much shorter by being shorter it make the bike i feel handle quicker and by shorting the seat stays make chain stays shorter .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    Hey Smith when i measured the 07 to 08 it was that much shorter by being shorter it make the bike i feel handle quicker and by shorting the seat stays make chain stays shorter .
    ncig
    Could you do me a little favour and measure the distance between the center of the bottom bracket and the axle of the rear wheel?

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    Hey Smith no problem let me explain to you how it was explain to me .When they shorten the seat stays it pulled the rear end closer to the front triangle and there is on thing i forgot to mention to everybody the rear dropout are much different the wheel doesn,t sit into it as high as the 07 will get back to you on measurement .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    When they shorten the seat stays it pulled the rear end closer to the front triangle
    I'm inclined to think that shorter seat stays actually pull the shock closer to the rear while the chain stays remain the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    will get back to you on measurement .
    Would be cool if you measured the '07 the same way so we could compare the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith
    I'm inclined to think that shorter seat stays actually pull the shock closer to the rear while the chain stays remain the same.
    You are correct. The net effect is that the seat stays are shorter and therefore stiffer. Chainstay length is unaffected.

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    @ ncig,

    boahh, congratulations, that Bike is awesome, especially the weight is the lightest I have heard so far for a 08 Helius
    There are some new Rides on Nicolais german mtb-news Forum, none of them is lighter than 37,4 lbs - park only or what ... !!!

    By the way, the actual chainstay-lenght is the same as 07!

    @ perttime

    The Toptube seems to be high, but the standover-hight (where the Toptube meets the Seattube) is the same for all Framesizes, and isn´t that high you might think.
    You can slope it more down if you like that on custom-geo. I was considering that option for me with a 15,7 inch Seattube, but i would end up paying 2800 Euros incl. XFusion-Shock !!!
    Would like to see Karve´s Bike in full built, maybe I can go with the standard short St

    Greetings from Cologne, Germany
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    Both me and Whafe have light build's and are miles away from this weight!
    Me thinks I need to try again with a fully dry bike.
    It's hard to say how good the bike climbs as its just great but i'm finding it harder to work out the down hill side of things as the faster I go the better the bike seems to get !
    Still trying to get over a few jumping issues that I seem to have with the new bike ! Most have been brought on by a faulty Talis unit in my 06 Fox 36's
    Roll on the summer as I would love to know how the FR is going to be on the dry hardpack trails ...
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    What a tremendous looking bike. That must rip around here. I bet you can't wait until Lynn Woods opens up. That bike will shred it to pieces. BTW, how much does that frame cost? What's the wait time like?

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    Just sensational ncig.

    Great work getting down to 31.4 pounds.

    Nice and light up top at the controls too

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    thanks all mountain i also fix my review and changed to seatstays shorter not chains stays . 5cotty i have some lighter parts then you and whafe have and plus i have a med.
    woodyak pm me and i will tell you all about frame and cost

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    Jesus...this place is getting so hot and bling-ed out I am e-sweating!
    Nice stuff ncig!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    .When i got on the bike for the first time it felt perfect like my Knolly Endorphin did fit like a glove. ncig

    Any chance you can post a comparison between the Knolly and the Niccolai because one of them is going to be my next bike and at the moment I am leaning towards the Knolly?

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    Vintage which Knolly and Nicolai

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    That's a sweet bike right there... Man, I'm lusting after one.

    I ride pretty much like you... Trails, no drops at all and I'm liking your bike lots, the weight is right on the money... and that's with a coil-over!! Impressive.

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    Sorry. I meant the Niccolai Helius FR and the Knolly Endorphin. Any comparisons would be much appreciated.

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    ncig

    I was not meaning to start a mine weights this and mine weights that its just a lot lighter than mine and I'm not able to see why it should be so light. Mine is also a Medium without 1.5 inch headset.

    Looks sweet in the black as somebody said already very stealth looking.

    I could have almost lost mine in the Snow we had here at the weekend its so white.
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    So than what are you saying?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5c0tty
    ncig

    I was not meaning to start a mine weights this and mine weights that its just a lot lighter than mine and I'm not able to see why it should be so light. Mine is also a Medium without 1.5 inch headset.

    Looks sweet in the black as somebody said already very stealth looking.

    I could have almost lost mine in the Snow we had here at the weekend its so white.
    Because I know I was right there when he weighed it THREE TIMES..CCDB TI SPRING,XTR cranks and pedals and front der.Carbon bars and seat post,Hope MINI'S,and last but not least SMALL BLOCK EIGHT'S.(very light)

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    Support81.
    Have you seen the spec on my FR ?
    It's not heavy weight gear. I have looked at the spec list and as I say not wishing to start a war of mine this mine that. But was trying to work out how I would go about saving 3lbs from my FR as at just over 34lbs for such a build it seems to be on the heavy side. DHX4 Coil does not help for sure.
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    5cotty no harm i have not seen your build so i can;t see what different send me a list of build so i can compare.

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    Bike Build spec in full.

    * Frame: Nicolai Helius FR 2008 Medium in White, Crud Mounts-Anti Chain Suck Plate
    * Fork: Fox 36 Talas RLC Custom painted White
    * Rear Shock: DHX 4 Coil
    * Brakes: XTR Levers XTR Calipers 203mm Front disc 180mm Rear disc, Hel brake lines.
    * Cranks: XTR
    * Shifters: XTR Rapid Fire
    * Front Derailleur: XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: XT Shadow
    * Pedals: XTR SPD’s
    * Stem: Thomson Elite
    * Handlebar: Easton MonkeyLite XC CNT 660mm Lo
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite layback black
    * Saddle: SDG BelAir Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: XTR
    * Cassette: XTR
    * Chain: Sram 9 speed hollow pin
    * Headset: Chris King Black
    * Grips: ODI Cross Trainer
    * Front Tire: Intense Cross Country C3 Compound 2.3
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic 719 Disc 32 hole-Sapin DB Black spokes
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Chris King Black 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Intense Cross Country C3 Compound 2.3
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 321 Disc
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Chris King 36 hole, Salsa Flip Off- Sapin DB Black spokes
    * Cables: XTR
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    that a real nice bike. Here are things that are making your bike a liitle heavier then mine.
    1 your bike is painted which adds more weight
    2 wheels are heavier then mine are the I9 i have weigh 1860 grams
    3 fork is also lighter then the talas
    4 rear shock is also another thing
    5 shifters are alittle lighter and stem and bars and seatpost.
    those thing add up and it probally the difference between the two bikes. I do have to say your bike has a little better look then mine it is very hot looking

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    5cOtty, to save weight you could consider: formula bianco's, nobby nic's and DT ex1750 wheels. This should get your weight to around 32lb.

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    Thanks for the advice guys.

    I'm very much in love with the feel and feedback from my XTR brake's so I will be keeping these until such time as they need to be replaced.

    I have been looking for a new tyre setup for this coming sunny season. Nobby Nic's are Hi on the list as I have read loads of good things about them. front and rear ? Or mix with something else. Lots of reports regarding the knobs coming off and side wall damage !

    I'm not worried to much about the weight as when my Mojo Returns I hope to get jumping and doing some more hardcore action.
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    I'm running Nobby Nic's front and rear on a couple of my bikes and quite like them. I have the 2.25's on my hardtail and 2.4's on my Endorphin. Some people prefer the feel of a Big Betty up front and a Nobby Nic out back. I live in Utah where we have a lot of terrain with sharp rocks. I've not had a sidewall issue with them yet. Also, in both cases the tires are being run tubeless.

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    update

    Hey guys just giving a update on the new rig. Went out for a 3 hour blast and i am finding it gets better every time. The bike climbs like a mountain goat and i am sure the CCDB helps that out alot. I am finding myself taking alot more chances then i use to don't know how good it is but i am having fun. Switch with a few guys that have 07 and i am finding bike is stiffer then the 07. The guy's that rode the 08 agree'd they thought it felt stiffer.Just a few set up suggestions on CCDB. Know remember this is for where i am riding Whafe will understand more because he has ridden here.I have turned the low speed compresion counter clockwise 2.Reason being that did not need so much pedal help for the shock and wanted a little more comfort in the small bump area worked very well and still did not loose pedal effinceny. turn the low speed rebound 1 click counter clock wise to compensate for compresion and that also worked very well to. Just remeber every one it depends on what your riding terrain is like we have some very technical rides so that helped me out hope it help every one . keep you posted.

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    Sweet to hear ncig, great stuff all round....
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    hot ride, ncig!

    love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncig
    Hey guys just giving a update on the new rig. Went out for a 3 hour blast and i am finding it gets better every time. The bike climbs like a mountain goat and i am sure the CCDB helps that out alot. I am finding myself taking alot more chances then i use to don't know how good it is but i am having fun. Switch with a few guys that have 07 and i am finding bike is stiffer then the 07. The guy's that rode the 08 agree'd they thought it felt stiffer.Just a few set up suggestions on CCDB. Know remember this is for where i am riding Whafe will understand more because he has ridden here.I have turned the low speed compresion counter clockwise 2.Reason being that did not need so much pedal help for the shock and wanted a little more comfort in the small bump area worked very well and still did not loose pedal effinceny. turn the low speed rebound 1 click counter clock wise to compensate for compresion and that also worked very well to. Just remeber every one it depends on what your riding terrain is like we have some very technical rides so that helped me out hope it help every one . keep you posted.



    If possible, I to would like to hear your thoughts about this frame/bike and your Endorphin.

    Whats the effective top tube measurement on the new Nico?

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    Hey Drumstick if i can remeber right effective top tube is 23. The endorphin is a great bike one of the best bikes i have even ridden. When i got on it for the first time it fit me perfect .The cockpit is very comfortable. The bike pedals very very good can't say enough about it. The FR is totally a different bike it is in the same class as the dt from knolly but lighter.The new 08 Fr almost feels longer on the toptube then the 07 i haven't had a chance to measure yet but the 08 fit me like a glove!
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