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    AM with 180 forks?

    anyone running the current AM with a 180 fork?

    i sold my afr with the intention of going for the new ion 18 but having seen the details im not sure its for me. it appears to be less versatile than the afr. However, i know that the AM is more than enough frame for me but id really like to run my bos idylle SC forks.

    one option is to get the fork travel reduced but just wondered if anyone is running a 180 and how they find it. im guessing it might be a bit too chopper like!
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    That's easily solved with an Angleset dipper, the extra 10mm will take off about 0.3deg. After sag. PPersonally my AM at 66.5 is chopper enough so I know where your coming from.
    Bring the HA back to 66.5.
    The downside, with an existing frame, is a further rise in BB height over the amount caused by the fork, but it will be very small.
    An AM you have or to get from Nic? In which case you could spec the angles/geo to suit. run a M frame, with shorter head tube to keep the front low but longer TT to match your size.

    Alternatively depending on the above, if it's an existing frame and the Idylle is 1.1/8" you could run a zero stack lower cup eliminating the 10mm disadvantage, although I haven't checked the a2c of Idylle..aghh. More info required??
    But no I've not run 180 ;-)
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    cheers Phil
    ive already got an angleset which is zero stack as well. that might be enough. dont want to go down the custom route as i'll struggle to sell it when the time comes(probably not far away if the pinion turns out to be good!) but may spec an afr DT if thats still a reasonably priced option.

    im due a demo AM in a couple of weeks that my sidekick will be using. i guess the sensible option is to wait for that and try it with the big forks see how i get on but ive no patience!
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    Hi Richard - hope you're well mate!

    I sometimes run a shortened RS Totem fork on my AM. I had it cut down by 10mm in order to ensure that the frame warranty was not compromised. I had spoken directly with Nicolai and they said that my 2010 frame would be OK with a 170mm fork, but absolutely no longer.

    It works really well for pure DH use. My fork is of course 10mm shorter than the one you are proposing, but I do not have a zero stack headset so net net net, the height of the front should be the same.

    As I said, it works well for DH use, but it is a little chopper like for trail use. Personally I would find the weight of the fork to be more of a hindrance than the geometry but I think you're quite a bit fitter than I am.

    Hope that helps.

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    A 170 idylle SC would be nice.

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    Dipper, what is putting you off the ION 18 for a matter of interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geetee1972 View Post
    but I think you're quite a bit fitter than I am.

    Hope that helps.
    haha! who told you that? must have been me!

    i dont mind pedalling a heavy bike as long as it pedals well and the angles are right. i already have the AC29er which is reasonably light so not so fussed about the weight of whatever the other bike will be. My sidekick's Am will also be pretty light and seeing as i do all the setting up, it happens to suit me fine as well!

    the warranty will be an issue if i go for a standard frame and keep the fork at 180. Im not a big hucker so i cant see this being an issue. im more interested in how it handles but i guess the only way to find out is to try it! just getting impatient as im itching to order a purple ano frame!
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    just getting impatient as im itching to order a purple ano frame![/QUOTE]

    back to the 70's then.

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    I'm running a Fox 180 on my Am: fits perfectly. In fact there is not that much difference to the 160 I ran before. It just has more reserves downwards and is more stable. Due to the increased sag, there is not much differnce in terms of geo. Forgot: I run 10mm rise bars to keep things a bit lower, too.

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    ive not ruled it out entirely but its looking a wee bit too much of a downhiller for what id use it for most of the time. indications are its heavier and the rear is a 150. BB is much lower than afr also

    we'll see. if i can hang on a few weeks i should have one in for a customer that i can weigh and maybe get a pedal on.
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    "i already have the AC29er which is reasonably light" So you thought till you saw my RC ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    "i already have the AC29er which is reasonably light" So you thought till you saw my RC ;-)

    i actually added the 'reasonably' for that very reason!

    cheers marcton that sounds promosing
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    That's how it looks right now:
    AM with 180 forks?-bild0358-w999-h1000.jpg

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    Dipper, we could try the fork on my AM sometime?

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    Or mine?

    Might go well with the Maxle that Pimp was kind enough to donate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    just getting impatient as im itching to order a purple ano frame!
    back to the 70's then. [/QUOTE]

    My mate has an ano purple and white AC,it looks stunning.

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    You still got that! All them bikes and Ye can't buy yersel a maxle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper View Post
    You still got that! All them bikes and Ye can't buy yersel a maxle!
    Why buy when you can permanently borrow .

    Maybe you should follow Pimp's lead and lend me a Nic plus a set of Hope lights long term .

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    What? Another nic and more lights? Just how much of you are there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dipper View Post
    What? Another nic and more lights? Just how much of you are there?
    Och the more the merrier .

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    I'm running my FR with 180 floats. 180 front and 167 out back with the CCDB as a 'trail' bike. I was gonna drop them down to 170 but having far too much fun on full travel!
    Rode Cwmcarn xc loop yesterday then rode back to the top to blast the dh track. Loads of travel (and a swampthing) maybe a hinderance going up but sooooo worth it on the downs!!
    Not sure if the AM rides like the FR where you have to hang off the back a lot but if it is I would def recommend a reverb.
    Ok so it's not really a marathon mile eater but for trail centre blasts it's the most smile enducing bike I've ever owned.
    Another tip: anyone running a CCDB and not sure about settings, I mailed Malcom @ cane creek with all my details (weight, bike, setup, type of riding etc) and he mailed me back a custom tune. Since then the shock has been AWEFUNKINSOME to the point where the dh bike is pretty much redundant.
    Dunno if any of that helps but that's my 2cent, peace out.


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    Hi shakeyakey

    Could you share Malcom's direct email?

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    Great. Thanks!!!

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    "When the gate drops the ******** stops"

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    cheers shakey. i used to run a 180 on my FR as well. I guess the AM will feel similar to that. I'm going to try it 1st anyway. decided to have a bit of patience and wait for this demo AM to turn up!
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    I know every one on here loves the exoticness of BOS etc but Float 180's are def back up there lately for me, weight is spot on, Kashima makes them über plush and the dreaded seals seem a lot better too (still leave the bike upside down though)
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    How did it go with the 180 BOS Idylle SC?

    How did it go, I want to do the same thing for an Alps trip, 160 bike, 180 BOS up front (sorry it's a Spesh Enduro 06, I'm making it last, still not saved up for the Nic' although that new catalogue is SOOOO tempting?

    Is it gonna trounce my Devile (160 version)?

    Sounds like fun but could be an expensive error!

    Should I go for the 160 version of the SC for a 160 bike ( with a DH bias)?

    Be interesting to know what the conversion between 180 + 160 for SC involves and costs.

    dipper?

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    I tried it briefly but it didn't really work. The extra height raised the bb which made the handling a bit weird. The weight made the bike feel very front heavy as well. Worked far better on the afr
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    I originally had a used 180 Domain up front. That's how I got the taste for a big fork in the AM and bought the Fox after that. The AM surely also has the geometry for it.

    I really doubt that the old Enduro will go that well with a big fork as it's geo is from another era. It might handle like crap.

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    Thanks, great forum this,
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    Thanks for feedback,
    Actually, I think the Enduro geo is almost identical to the AM, 67 head angle with the Deville, works fab with S**Toy on the back. It's a bit old fashioned with the 1-1/8 head tube but it seems to work quite well. You might ask why I want to change it then!
    The Enduro SWorks originally came with a Fox 36 150mm, the brown one! and that too is a heavy fork. I wish I could get to try a 180 SC.
    Maybe a Nic on my shopping list before too long tho! Possibly the 18.

    Wonder if the diff between 160 And 180 variants on SC is just internal spacers or if it's a new crown and stanchions if you change your mind! Could be costly if it's a different crown and upper legs.

    Thanks lots, n

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    Smile BOS S**Toy settings on 4 bar bikes [moved to BOS suspension]

    Guys, apologies, I misunderstood the "thread" options - so I've moved my Stoy / S**Toy questions to the Nicolai/BOS forum section
    Last edited by mudfish801; 06-02-2012 at 01:21 AM. Reason: wrong place for this thread

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    If you want to try how it works with a 180 fork and not immeditaely lay down the cash for a classy BOS, then I suggest that you have a look for a used Domain 180 (these are not even bad forks). They sell really, really cheap on Ebay etc. Once tested, just sell it again and buy the good stuff.

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    Marcoton, good idea, thanks

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