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    tech sheet

    here ya go boys

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    Seems a bit bizarre how the top tube on the Large is 15mm longer than the 26" version and yet the Medium is the same lenght???

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    Could be a typo. I know the gaps were going to be similar and based off the Large at 625mm. That's a bit short for a med. IMHO.

    Tried Dippers 29 yet Pimpmessiah?
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    The large size is ideal, actually perfect length top tube. I wish more manufactures would spec a descent length top tube like Nicolai.

    These type of bikes should be run with max 50mm stems and the long top tube on the large enables this.

    Bravo Nicolai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polarcherry View Post
    The large size is ideal, actually perfect length top tube. I wish more manufactures would spec a descent length top tube like Nicolai.

    These type of bikes should be run with max 50mm stems and the long top tube on the large enables this.

    Bravo Nicolai
    Totally agree about the tt length, how do feel about the seat tube length though? At 460mm/18.1" it seems a little short
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    Spot on sizing for me at 185cm height.

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    Marcel @ Nicolai has told me new TT lengths are designed for 35-50mm stems.

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    I want a longer top tube, but maybe not that much!

    I already run a 45mm stem on my AM with a 585mm top tube, the Medium Ion 16 27.5 would only add 5mm to that which is not enough, but the large would add a wopping 40mm.

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    I keep meaning to ask Marcel about that difference. It was not what he suggested would be the case when we discussed the proto. I wonder if its a typo for the med?
    I would have expected it to be 600mm or 605mm for a med. much like the 29s.
    I'm just under 5'11"/178cm and run 605mm TT with 50mm stem/800mm bars.
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    605mm as on the Ion 15 would make more sense to me... with the bonus that I could keep with a Medium frame. Medium frames always look better

    Edit. Medium Ion 15 is 600. Large Ion 16 26 is 610.

    I'll try Dippers and see how the longer top tube works... it might be good.
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    Dipper is running a 610, mine is 605, but both have 470mm seat tubes.

    @pimpmessiah On the production Ion15 the ST is 0.5deg steeper and the CS 7mm shorter. You could get away with moving your saddle back the 5mm on the med to bring the effective ST angle back a touch without affecting the handling and run a 50mm stem.

    I run 50mm as the Easton 35 only comes in 50mm (Cant go much shorter wihout rise as there's not much between the steerer and bar!) 605 was just right for me with an 800mm bar. I needed the TT 5-10mm longer when I was running a 750mm bar.

    Its gonna sound weird but if you run a 160mm fork rather than the reference 150mm it also adds about 4mm to the effective TT after compensating for sag...I'd better scurry of to the 29 threads, sorry to derail a bit chaps, but its all Nicolai innit :-)
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    I emailed Vincent... the medium Ion 16 27.5 has a 600mm top tube and the tech sheet has been updated.

    Yay!

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