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    Long Island riders, HT or FS?

    What do you ride? and why?=)

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    There's a thread about HT vs. FS on the CLIMB forum right now. It's really pretty mixed from what I've seen. I rode a Specialized Hardrock for a decade before finding a really good deal on a Titus RX-1. I love having a good, light FS bike for our trails. Very happy I made the switch. I work in a bike shop now and yeah, lots of the hardtails still get my mouth watering a but I'm in no rush to own one again.

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    I use a HT on Long Island. I am in the minority though. I ride Stillwell and Bethpage. At Stilwell I see a lot of FS. Hardly any HT's. But HT's can manage Stillwell and Bethpage just fine. I am in no rush to pick up an FS.

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    i ride ht.. i just don't like fs. i feel like i lose a lot on pavement and i really only have the space for 1 bike, even though i have 4 in my living room anyways. 5 would seriously be bad, since only one of those is mine to begin with.

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    Talon 29er HT love it. really no need for FS on the Island that I can see

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    Just joined over here and this is my first season back on a bike in 10 years. I used to BMX as a kid and wanted to get back into biking. I bought a Gary Fisher 29er HT and I love it. I ride Meadowlark mainly.

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    Meadowlark is awesome, arguably my favorite trail. Are you familiar with the other local trails?

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    I've lived in Northport my whole life (26 years) so I'm familiar with most of the woods around here. Makamah and the adjoining trails as well. I'm looking to expand my riding though.

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    FS here. Mainly because I have it.
    I like turtles

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    I ride a hard tail. When I was looking for a bike and spoke to a bunch of different people, the general consensus was that FS is overkill for what we have on LI. I mostly ride Rocky Point, Glacier Ridge and Setauket and I have no complaints on the HT decision. Plus they are cheaper and easier to maintain, maybe in the future when my skills surpass my bikes performance...if that ever happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LI-MTB View Post
    I've lived in Northport my whole life (26 years) so I'm familiar with most of the woods around here. Makamah and the adjoining trails as well. I'm looking to expand my riding though.
    i've lived in northport a few years... i used to go to stillwell a lot, i've been going to meadowlark more this season. the first half is kinda boring but the second half gets a lot more interesting. i bought a few friends there but they were out of breath after 20 minutes lol.. i've been meaning to try makamah since its in riding distance from my house, how is it? my girlfriend is just beginning, meadowlark is too much for her, but i want to bring her to a new place near here if its fairly tame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LI-MTB View Post
    Just joined over here and this is my first season back on a bike in 10 years. I used to BMX as a kid and wanted to get back into biking. I bought a Gary Fisher 29er HT and I love it. I ride Meadowlark mainly.
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    Meadowlark is awesome, arguably my favorite trail. Are you familiar with the other local trails?

    I havent tried meadowlark but ride galcier ridge and stillwell quite often. Where is meadowlark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    i've lived in northport a few years... i used to go to stillwell a lot, i've been going to meadowlark more this season. the first half is kinda boring but the second half gets a lot more interesting. i bought a few friends there but they were out of breath after 20 minutes lol.. i've been meaning to try makamah since its in riding distance from my house, how is it? my girlfriend is just beginning, meadowlark is too much for her, but i want to bring her to a new place near here if its fairly tame.
    I recently just got my girlfriend to start biking. Took her to stillwell and that ended badly with two spills. She is a trooper and tried twice after by herself but just a little to much to soon. I took her to glacier and she loved her. Its def a beginner inter but also has double black diamonds for the fun

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    haha.. i'm gonna have to take her there. does it lead all the way to crab meadow? as long as she can go around some of the obstacles, i'll make her do the stuff that she can... when we went to meadowlark, she was literally hanging from a tree letting the bike fall away from her, while she's like mid climb on a tree trunk 10x her size. we should set a play date for the two of them, maybe they can learn from each others mistakes. mine can teach yours a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1enthusiast View Post
    I havent tried meadowlark but ride galcier ridge and stillwell quite often. Where is meadowlark?
    its right behind the VA in northport. you can search it on google maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    its right behind the VA in northport. you can search it on google maps.
    Or go to the CLIMB site for directions and a nice hand-drawn map of the trail with feature names.

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    that too.. .but i'm adventurous haha.. meadowlark is a complete circle though, its hard to get lost there unless you give up and go up the horse trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1enthusiast View Post
    I recently just got my girlfriend to start biking. Took her to stillwell and that ended badly with two spills. She is a trooper and tried twice after by herself but just a little to much to soon. I took her to glacier and she loved her. Its def a beginner inter but also has double black diamonds for the fun
    This made me chuckle. I took my wife to Stillwell on her brand new Specalized Flyt 29er. She laid it down just before we completed the loop. She loves her new HT and was having a great ride with no complaints. I on the other hand I ride a FS. I enjoy bombing down rough trails and drops. I ride at Cunnigham park mostly.

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    I've got 4 bikes: 1 F/S, 1 HT, 1 F/R SS and 1 F/R geared....all 29ers
    The F/S gets the least trail time, I bought it when I was having back problems and it really helped. Now that my back issues have cleared up I'd rather ride the HT or F/R, I feel more connected to the trail.
    There's nothing here on the island that these 2 platforms can't handle!
    I will however ride the F/S in the SWE 6 hour race at CP, that trail beats me up after a couple laps!!!!
    Too soon old-Too late smart!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlatTyre View Post
    I ride a hard tail. When I was looking for a bike and spoke to a bunch of different people, the general consensus was that FS is overkill for what we have on LI. I mostly ride Rocky Point, Glacier Ridge and Setauket and I have no complaints on the HT decision. Plus they are cheaper and easier to maintain, maybe in the future when my skills surpass my bikes performance...if that ever happens.
    What this guy said is me exactly. I ride the same 3 trails on A weekly basis with a 06 sPecialized hardrock fully custom and if i can conquer these 3 trAils on my bike that i have there is no need to go FS for long island. If u want to make bike trips off island in the future then maybe reconsider. I refuse to buy a new bike. Ive upgraded everything on the bike except for the crankset which i Plan on doing this winter and i manage just fine.

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    I ride a fully custom 06 Gary Fisher Tassajara Hard tail. Like Avalon00 iv'e changed everything on my bike including running 1x9 drive train. I can slay pretty much any trail on the island on that bike. I don't feel there's a need for a FS rig on Long Island aside from some of the rooty sections where some extra cush would be appreciated. If I were to purchase a new bike it would most likely be a 29er HT or possibly that "new" 650b platform also in a HT.

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    FS Here
    The reason is it suits my riding style. I am an ex moto'r and can cut some fast lap times. I do not pick and choose lines. I go for the straightest and fastest lines from corner to corner. Usually not so much riding thru the stuff smashing thru the terrain. I am smooth and methodical loading and unloading the suspension.

    I set my bikes up stiff (200-225lbs Rear shock with 35-45 lbs of tire pressure pending trail and trail conditions) except for the fork which I run on the softer side. Then again I am a fat pig...175-180lbs,

    The suspension for me takes the edge off the bumps and eases the pain off my lower back. I used to ride a HT with a Suspension fork. The Frame was a triple butted Cromo frame that was forgiving.....But not forgiving enough, It also had me Picking and choosing lines that were smoother and slowed my lap times because the lines moved me off my intended course, I do not want to feel connected to the trail....only connected to my bike.

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    I've always been on a HT. IMO, Long Island is good for bikes that see both the road and dirt because of how small it is. You can leave your house on your bike and ride right to the trails. At least that's what I like to do. And obviously, a HT with a front lockout is better suited for that than a FS would be.

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    So True....but the beauty is what ever works best for you. I did the HT years ago and found FS is better for me.

    I am in smithtown though and I am about a 1/2 hour from most trails I ride. 18 miles from RP. I would prefer my road bike for the road.

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    Had a cheaper 26" Fs but since I bought a 29er ht.
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    I ride HT in Stillwell. Simplicity is the key =P

    gonna try SS soon

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    Ride what you like but...

    There is not a single trail on LI that REQUIRES fs. Anyone that has ridden off the Island can tell you our trails are not very technical, steep or rocky compared to NE or PA. They are fun though
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    It really comes down to the rider's preference. I ride a Trek Fuel EX 8 and is my only bike. In all honesty, my bike is overkill for LI. Sure, it's fun to toss around on the trails but 120mm travel is just silly for our tame LI trails. IMHO, if you want a direct no bull point and go bike, I believe a light HT 29er is the way to go for LI. FS bikes will work as well but don't expect to be too efficient on climbs. If you must go FS, pick up something with like a 100mm travel and something fairly light if your budget allows. I demoed a Giant Anthem X 29er and it was perfect for our trails if you want a FS. It was light and nimble. In the end though, it really comes down to your fitness level and what kind of riding you intend to do. I have seen guys on a 26" FS 6" travel bike going just as fast as a guy on a HT 29er. Go visit some bike shops and test out some bikes if you can, both FS and HT. You may find that you don't like riding a HT or vice versa. Good luck and remember to have fun on trails no matter what you go with.
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    HT for LI.

    Since I moved out to Suffolk from Nassau a while back, my old '97 Specialized has been more than terrific for Rocky Point and Cathedral Pines, I have a mint FS Fisher Joshua I've recently inherited that I'd like to thrash around with a bit on the trails, but honestly, a tight, light HT is far better for control on our stuff unless your running the Dbl. Black Diamonds all day long and plan for abusing your ride... for XC and trails an good HT is more than enuff... jus my .02

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    We should pull a giant Suffolk Rocky Point HT ride together sometime in the future, 20+ bikes cutting down one line of singletrack would be quite awesome!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpyH View Post
    We should pull a giant Suffolk Rocky Point HT ride together sometime in the future, 20+ bikes cutting down one line of singletrack would be quite awesome!!!!
    you should have rode triple crown, there were 75 of us hitting cathedral, glacier and RP. It was awesome

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    I was just reading through this thread and I think a lot of people are either going with a straight up XC hardtail or something more like a Trail/All mountain full sus bike. I think a full sus XC bike is just as appropriate for LI trails as an XC hardtail is. All of the XC full sus bikes I've ridden (we're talking 100mm of rear travel or less) were nearly as efficient and just as fun as any HT XC bike I've ridden. So many of the world cup XC riders are on full sus bikes even on the most tame courses. In the end though, just like others have said, ride what you like and what puts the biggest grin on your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1enthusiast View Post
    you should have rode triple crown, there were 75 of us hitting cathedral, glacier and RP. It was awesome
    YEEESSSSS..... Rocky Point! One of my first real trail rides!!! love it!!
    Sorry I wasnt hip to this site when it went down... Pleeeeze keep me in mind the next time an epic journey goes down, if you guys arent hitting BDiamonds and 60 foot drop offs but just typical single track, I can prolly hang, as long as you can handle having a wheezing old man riding my HT in last slot ( I'll keep an eye for rear attacks from hungry squirrels)... leme know!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pike14 View Post
    I was just reading through this thread and I think a lot of people are either going with a straight up XC hardtail or something more like a Trail/All mountain full sus bike. I think a full sus XC bike is just as appropriate for LI trails as an XC hardtail is. All of the XC full sus bikes I've ridden (we're talking 100mm of rear travel or less) were nearly as efficient and just as fun as any HT XC bike I've ridden. So many of the world cup XC riders are on full sus bikes even on the most tame courses. In the end though, just like others have said, ride what you like and what puts the biggest grin on your face.
    Idk, I have an old HT and an old FS that was given to me (the FS is far heavier than my HT) and having only taken the FS out to a trail Once, I guess I felt even with max preload it was noticibly heavier and I wasnt happy having the back end wash out on me (thats how it felt to me) when I'd get out of the saddle, drop a gear and hammer to get out of somthing. I guess it also really depends upon the Ride, I think if its you an a buddy on a familiar stretch of trail and you know what the speed/difficulty will be, its easier to cruise something with a plush back end, if its something like an epic ride with 75 guys you dont know and your not sure of the routes your taking, I might be more inclined to take my HT (and be prepared to have my a$$ handed to me to keep up), and I'd want something with a faster reaction time and quicker response to have a chance to keep up! (Then again, I dont have a Factory FS ride to compare it to, I'm sure the current hi end FS bikes would make me change my opinion in a hurry!) so I guess, yeah, it's whatever makes you happy and keeps you riding!!

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    I ride HT, no need for an FS where I ride
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    Every1 tells me unless u ride DH or u just want a more comfortable ride which sum ppl need go full squish. No need on the island. Ppl with back problems may need to ride full squish. Really its all a matter of preference imo

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    Brought my Fatbike down with me for Thanksgiving and rode Stillwell this morning. Had a blast on the black trails with my carbon fork and 9psi. Didn't miss my fully at all.

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    I still rock my HT on long island trails which I feel is more than ample. However a buddy of mine insisted on buying an overdone, heavy 5-6" travel FS as his 1st ride in spite of my arguments and suggestions. I was beside myself with laughter watching him trying to hump that thing through Rocky Point on his maiden voyage. Just to add salt to his wound I offered to switch bikes with him for a couple miles which then turned a few miles cuz he didnt wanna give it back! lol Hes now planning on selling the FS and getting a 29er HT. Hate to say I told you so!

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    i currently don't own a bike but i'm leaning towards buying a hard tail if that counts!

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    I have a few FS bikes. 2 Intense Tracers and a Intense Spider.

    all my Bikes are set up stiff. They are set up for speed and do not wallow on the trail. When just tooling around slow they beat the piss out of me. I set them up to take the edge off a ruff ride.

    I have found that in the past, when riding my HT i was picking and choosing smooth lines (even if it ment choosing a slower line). Then at the end of the ride my lower back would be inflamed.

    But as pike said.....what ever puts a grin on your face

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    Will the real sParty please stand up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBass_ View Post
    Will the real sParty please stand up?
    I would love to, but everytime I try to stand up............ Those Bastards bush me back down!!!!!
    I tried using Spartacus as my screen name at CLIMB and Sick4surf told me "you can't use that screen name any more because it creates controversy". Then they banded me.

    Yeah me..... The guy who does trail patrol...... Trail steward....... Started the triple crown.......started the FTF ..... And god knows what else I have done for the community.

    That was my reward for helping........... Getting banned !!!!!

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    Screw'em Sparty just Do You !!! We gotta ride Shoreham one of these days i need a full tour. I hear its up to 27 miles now. Most i ever did was 19 thats like all of CP lol Cant wait to get back into RP for more trail work once it warms up a lil mayb next week
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    Hey Bri............. Yeah ....... For the most part they are not very good people.

    I was at the trail today.......... Friggin awesome!

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    Climb not good people? Shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The OLE Bagger View Post
    Climb not good people? Shocking.
    I can't tell if sarcasm

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    Yeah man fs is awesome!!!!! I don't have one ht only. FS on LI is an oxymoron.

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    Tell ya what. I have one of those new fangle Fox forx. Its an RLC and I really cant get the damned thing dialed for LI. Its Harsh as hell on the stutter bumps and Bottoms easy on big hits.
    I have an older open bath on the other bike and was able to dial it perfect. I used a lighter oil and a higher level and just adjust the C and R as needed.

    This newer fork has a cartridge and cant adjust the oil hieght. Havent changed the oil yet....but will soon

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    I like a full suspension bike

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    Long Island riders, HT or FS?-img_2657.jpgSurly Moonlander Fat bike ride trail , beach,snow love riding on the beach no cars ,no dust, no pollen ,no ticks and the scenery is not bad. have not been on my road or29er since. Helisport in huntington has demos if you want to try one out.

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