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    Legislators target bikes with easy-release wheels

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    TRENTON, N.J. (AP) … Bicycles with quick-release wheels couldn't be sold in New Jersey under legislation approved Monday by the Assembly.

    The bikes allow wheels to be removed without tools so they can be quickly secured with a chain lock or transported in vehicles, but lawmakers contend they're prone to accidents.

    ""The dangers surrounding the current models of quick-release bikes far outweigh any time saving benefits they may offer,'' said Assemblyman Paul Moriarty, D-Gloucester, a bill sponsor.

    The bill was approved 77-3, but hasn't received Senate consideration.




    Docs can be found here:
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    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bi...00/2686_R2.HTM
    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bi...00/2686_S1.HTM
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    wtf.. Has anybody actually hurt themselves/others by quick releases failing after being used properly?
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    NJ is totally crazy with these laws, starting mountain biking more often because motocross and offroad in the state are criminal acts at this point and now they start targeting specific bike wheels.

    Ridiculous

    Off soap box now.

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    Based on the document dated March 6, 2006, the bill was amended to apply only to bikes equipped with wheels having a diameter or 20" or less. This would not affect mountain bikes & I have not seen any BMX or any 20" bike having QR's. So I guess we're all fine.

    IMO, still stupid bill, though.

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    This could be very dicriminatory towards short people and besides 1 of my favorite child hood memories was swapping front tires with my friend watching him pull a wheelie the tire doesn't stay on and he plants the forks deep into the lawn. ohh joy.I'm sure with quick releases this would have become a daily occurence.

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    Wooohooo

    Wow important issues.....it all started with Florio and ever since this state has become dumber in the government, taxed more than practically every state, and nothing changes except we got EZ Pass....and this is a legit agenda for them????!!!

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    When this came up last year the bill only covered bikes with wheels 20" and below. Isn't that still the case?

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    man this state just makes me want to move away more and more each day.

    massive budget problems, beat up roads, corruption, sky-high property taxes... and they waste their time on bike wheels

    hunterdon county banning bouldering/rock climbing and now this garbage - gheeze

    can we put together a piece of legislation that bans quick-to-speak politicians under 80 inches?
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    I've got to get out of this ridiculous state.

    Possibly this ridiculous country...

    BC is looking better every day, if I could find work I'd be sooo gone.

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    Thanks

    Oh yeah don't forget when Corzine shut down the state parks and other functions so we could get a 1% sales tax hike this past year for budget....and for some reason every election the state of NJ elects Democrat reps who do the same thing and screw everyone...don't forget McGreevy who taxed new tires, more cell phone tax, oh and cheated on his wife so he could stick it in a hairy man hole....probably the most embarassing political figure the stae has seen.

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    wow. only in new jersey.

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    So they are saying that playing lawn darts while riding a bike with 16", quick release wheels is a bad idea?

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    Indeed this really sucks my left one but why is it we find it hard to leave Jerz if it's so bad.....Let me guess we're all stuck here because of our jobs....You all know the people responsible for passing this poo don't have a clue.....So for all of you who hate Jerz and have nothing positive to say....When are you leading the troops down to Trenton to protest....Never...I love New Jersey and I'm sure from a Mountain Bike perspective there are plenty of other states that are better riding....Stop all the complaining and enjoy the diversity New Jersey gives us....I'm sure there are some of you with deeper roots than myself and aren't happy how the state has progressed....TOO BAD and good luck returning it to the state it was when we were growing up....Enjoy it for what it's become and blame your ancestors for planting there seed here...For the ones who don't have roots here...Welcome to New jersey and we love having you but if you don't like it here...Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya....BTW did I mention that the government in New Jersey can be a little off....I'm sure it's not the only state government with issues...PLEASE in typical Jersey style don't let this stop you from bashing the state and everthing you think is wrong but can't fix...WHAT HOKIE POLITICIANS THERE ARE OUT THERE ESPECIALLY IN NEW JERSEY
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    That's why they added "lawyer tabs" years ago. Even if the QR inadvertantly opens the wheel can't come off - I've done that. Now if you have forgotten to tighten skewer enough then yer screwed but that is what the Darwin Awards are for!

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    Smart progressive people, potential to make good money, decent mountain biking . . .I like it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencer the kalmyk
    Indeed this really sucks my left one but why is it we find it hard to leave Jerz if it's so bad.....Let me guess we're all stuck here because of our jobs....You all know the people responsible for passing this poo don't have a clue.....So for all of you who hate Jerz and have nothing positive to say....When are you leading the troops down to Trenton to protest....Never...I love New Jersey and I'm sure from a Mountain Bike perspective there are plenty of other states that are better riding....Stop all the complaining and enjoy the diversity New Jersey gives us....I'm sure there are some of you with deeper roots than myself and aren't happy how the state has progressed....TOO BAD and good luck returning it to the state it was when we were growing up....Enjoy it for what it's become and blame your ancestors for planting there seed here...For the ones who don't have roots here...Welcome to New jersey and we love having you but if you don't like it here...Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya....BTW did I mention that the government in New Jersey can be a little off....I'm sure it's not the only state government with issues...PLEASE in typical Jersey style don't let this stop you from bashing the state and everthing you think is wrong but can't fix...WHAT HOKIE POLITICIANS THERE ARE OUT THERE ESPECIALLY IN NEW JERSEY

    What's your favorite part?

    The urban sprawl, the traffic jams, the high taxes, the outrageous insurance rates, the pollution?

    Sure there are still some nice parts, but NJ is going downhill and is becoming less and less like the place I grew up in, one condo development, Mc-mansion, Walmart and Home Depot at a time.

    As for the state govenernment, NJ has had the most corrupt state government (and that's saying something) in the country for long before I was born, so that's nothing new.

    Mostly what bothers me, is we are paying more for everything and getting less quality of life, in good conscience I can;t hang arounf here forever.

    I'll try to avoid the door hitting my rear on the way out, it's still sore from Trenton's last rape of the taxpayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmysDad
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    "The dangers surrounding the current models of quick-release bikes far outweigh any time saving benefits they may offer,'' said Assemblyman Paul Moriarty, D-Gloucester, a bill sponsor.
    The D displayed after his name says it all. The Nanny State knows best because individual responsibility is dead. Forget the increased costs and limited selection associated with purchasing a special bike fork that no one else in the country requires. How long until they outlaw mountain biking as too dangerous?

    I'm not surprised -- the govenor gets hurt bad because he didn't have a seatbelt on -- the response to that was to raise cash by aggressively enforcing the seatbelt law with the "click-it or ticket" campaign. I wonder if they will have a "quick-it and ticket" law for the bikes now to get some more cash in the coffers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutch
    When this came up last year the bill only covered bikes with wheels 20" and below. Isn't that still the case?

    The first document in Emmysdad's posting only stated "bicycles that can be used by children" -- how old a child is was vague. The second document more clearly defined it as bikes with 20" or smaller wheels.

    However, if you decide to give a bike to a kid that has a quick release mechanism, you can be subject to a $10,000 fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJMX835
    What's your favorite part?

    The urban sprawl, the traffic jams, the high taxes, the outrageous insurance rates, the pollution?

    Sure there are still some nice parts, but NJ is going downhill and is becoming less and less like the place I grew up in, one condo development, Mc-mansion, Walmart and Home Depot at a time.

    As for the state govenernment, NJ has had the most corrupt state government (and that's saying something) in the country for long before I was born, so that's nothing new.

    Mostly what bothers me, is we are paying more for everything and getting less quality of life, in good conscience I can;t hang arounf here forever.

    I'll try to avoid the door hitting my rear on the way out, it's still sore from Trenton's last rape of the taxpayers.
    Everything your saying is right on point....I too pay taxes like yourself on more than one residential home and four commercial properties so I definetely feel your pain....My favorite part of NJ is definetely my roots and my family...Corrupted government before you were born...Refer to the ancestrial piece in my first post...I'm quite busy and work on a tight schedule so please pm me a month in advance for an extra hand helping you move...I don't have the solution to this problem because if I did you would know me or perhaps vote for me...I really love your energy and fighting spirit...Are you talking to someone on this thread that can make a difference ....Good luck with your fight to fix the tax situation I would really love to benefit from that...A question I have for you is "Are you fighting or complaining?"....Don't take to many hits in the arse...I don't think that would feel to good

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    No good Update

    The Quick release bill is rearing its ugly head again. This bill is being proposed to make it illegal to sell a bicycle with a quick release. This was originally supposed to be for 20" wheels or less. But now it will include all bicycles.

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bi...00/2686_S2.HTM

    -note that its passed Assembly and its in the Commerce Committee in
    the state senate as of yesterday. We ask all riders to contact their
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    Here are the municipalities in case you are not sure of yours:

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/distric...cipalities.asp

    List of senators by district:

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/roster.asp

    And finally since the bill is in committee contact the chairperson
    of the "commerce committee":

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/committees/senate.asp


    WE MUST BE OUR OWN BEST DEFENSE.CONTACT your NJ State Legislator NOW

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    Call 'em !!

    Hello All,

    This morning, I called the offices of all of the listed sponsors of this bill. They are as follows, along with their phone numbers:

    Assemblyman Bramnick – Phone # 908-232-3673 – I spoke with aid Scott Mersereau.
    Assemblyman Gusciora - Phone # 609-292-0500 – I left a message on the voice mail of his aid Michael to please call me back.
    Assemblywoman Voss – Phone # 201-346-6400 – I spoke with aid Reisetta Dunn.
    Assemblyman Mayer – Phone # 856-227-5900 – I spoke with aid Ethan Hasbrouck.
    Assemblyman Moriarty – Phone # 856-232-6700 – I left a message for aid Matt Weng. He called me back within 10 minutes.

    Basically, I pointed out that there may have been a “typo” with the second reprint. In section 2 of the bill, they describe that ”It shall be unlawful for any person to sell a bicycle intended for use by children with a front wheel diameter of 20 inches or less which is equipped with a quick release wheel, exclusive of specialty adult bicycles”.

    A paragraph later, they state that “ It shall be unlawful practice for any person to sell a bicycle which is equipped with a quick release wheel if:

    (a) the front wheel diameter is greater than 20 inches: or
    (b) it is a specialty adult bicycle with a front wheel diameter of 20 inches or less.”

    It also states later in the paragraph that “The sale of a bicycle which meets the following conditions shall not be considered an unlawful practice under paragraph (1) of this subsection:

    (a) The quick release wheel is equipped with both a primary and a secondary retention device: and
    (b) The secondary retention device conforms to the following performance specification:
    (i) The secondary retention device activates automatically when the wheel is placed in the fork dropouts;”

    I explained to Mr. Weng that there are 2 main problems that basically make 95% of ALL bikes unsellable. First, most adult bicycles, which have wheels over 20” in size, have QR wheels front and rear. There are no “tabs” or secondary retention device on the rear of bicycles to speak of. Secondly, the front fork secondary retention devices do not “automatically” activate when the wheel is put into the fork. In fact, I explained that the technology does not readily exist for this.

    I asked Mr. Weng if they were basically trying to follow federal guidelines, and he said yes, that was why they added the line about the “greater than 20 inches” for the wheels. In fact, this was no typo at all, they actually changed it to that so as to include all bikes with QR’s to have secondary retention devices. I also explained that the bill is unnecessarily vague and that they should simply refer to and include the federally mandated standards as the point of reference for this bill, which is already being followed by most bicycle manufacturers in the industry already. He noted my concerns, and will pass along the info to Assemblyman Moriarty. He stated that it still needs to go the Senate for hearings, and that is where any changes would need to be made at this point.

    Please pass long the phone numbers to whomever you could think of and have them call the offices and reinforce our concerns.

    Marc Cianfrone
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    Outstanding Marc!

    You're right, its the details that the legislators are missing, and the fact that the sponsors of the bill apparently do not own a bike (anyone who owns a bike or two would understand this). Here's a crosspost I made from another forum:

    Will the bill if it passes the Senate ban the sale of bikes? Yes, technically speaking it will ban the sale. This is due to the amendment in Paul Moriarty's Assembly bill that states:

    At the sponsor's request, the committee amended the bill to make the sale of any type of bicycle equipped with a quick release wheel an unlawful practice, unless:

    · the bicycle is equipped with both, a primary and secondary retention device, and

    · the secondary retention device meets certain standards designed to prevent the accidental separation of the wheel from the bicycle fork.

    You might be thinking that the tabbed tips on the fork are a secondary device. Apprently not (read paragraph 1):

    http://www.bicycleretailer.com/bicyc..._id=1003599447


    So, the message that you should telling your state Senators is that this bill, as written, could ban the sale of mountain bikes within the state of NJ. I trust that Mr. Moriarty has good intentions when it comes to childrens bikes, indeed, its one thing to require bolt-on wheels for childrens bikes, but an adult is capable of safely operating a quick release with 15 seconds of instruction or less. QR's are strong, safe and tool free, and I don't want to start carrying a crescent wrench into the woods when I need to change a flat.

    In my opinion, the legislators simply don't know any better. Its time to educate them.

    Thanks to everyone who contacts thier state Senator in opposition to this bill.

    p.s. Fox is coming out with Quick Release for their "36". The Pike already has one. This bill would make that fork illegal in NJ.
    With that said, what can everyone do?

    As Marc notes above, the bill is now in the state Senate, specifically on the agenda of the Commerce Committee. To contact your Senator use the links below.

    Here are the municipalities and districts in case you are not sure of yours:

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/distric...cipalities.asp

    List of senators by district:

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/roster.asp

    And finally since the bill is in committee contact the chairperson
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    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/committees/senate.asp


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    we all gotta chip in on this one

    i shot a couple emails off a few days ago when i first saw this thread, but i just left a voicemail at all the above numbers. thanks marc and mergs for the listing/links. i hope our action helps start up a dialogue. any plans for an 'official' jorba representation?

    i feel like my sierra club membership letter writing skills will be put to good use for this issue. first park funding support letters and phone calls, then clean beaches in NJ letters and phone calls, then trying to stop development around wetlands in NJ letters and phone calls, now this!!! this is becoming a full time job!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anshwa
    Based on the document dated March 6, 2006, the bill was amended to apply only to bikes equipped with wheels having a diameter or 20" or less. This would not affect mountain bikes & I have not seen any BMX or any 20" bike having QR's. So I guess we're all fine.

    IMO, still stupid bill, though.
    But it will affect some recumbents, which will make it more difficult to change flats- anything to discourage riding, I guess. I wonder which car company is the bill's author's biggest supporter?
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    I forwarded the following e-mail to Senator Lesniak:
    "This bill addresses the sale of quick release bicycle wheels. I can understand trying to legislate safety devices for children, but adults do not need all of these nanny laws. There are many other problems in New Jersey that need addressing, please focus your time on property taxes, insurance, and other pressing issues rather than trying to legislate every nuance of our lives. Please vote this bill down. Please feel free to view others thoughts at: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=307709"

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    Quote Originally Posted by California L33
    But it will affect some recumbents, which will make it more difficult to change flats- anything to discourage riding, I guess. I wonder which car company is the bill's author's biggest supporter?

    I don't think the car companies have anything to do with this. This falls squarely on government knowing better and "protecting you from you". Typical nanny state behavior.

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    A comment from Colorado

    I happened across this thread while cruising the General Discussion forum. I agree with a poster above that the legislators probably just don't know any better and need to be educated, in a professional and non-hysterical but very urgent manner. I can't believe this bill got as far as it did without some red flags going up but now that you know what you're up against it's time to be vocal, time and time again. I'll bet there are some of you who are very adept at working within the political process and you all need every verbal weapon you can muster. Good luck.

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    Exactly !

    Quote Originally Posted by Allamuchy Joe
    I don't think the car companies have anything to do with this. This falls squarely on government knowing better and "protecting you from you". Typical nanny state behavior.
    First off, fantastic post, Mergs. Keep up the good work...

    Secondly, I agree with Joe here. This is typical NJ politicians at work. If they simply enforced the laws on the books, (remember, all of this stuff about QR's on kids bikes is already covered by the federal laws), there would be nothing for them to do and make the news.

    This is another example of NJ not paying attention to what the issues really are. Last year Codys' wife was suddenly making depression a huge issue requiring advertisements with her in it, spending tax $$$ advertising for awareness, etc. Funny, I thought most people cared more about our out of control property taxes, healthcare, car insurance rates, toll roads, immigration, corruption, etc. Since when did kids bikes with QR's (I am not even sure if there are many sold in the industry anymore) become so important? Who is asking for this stuff?

    Anyway, please start calling your representatives. The whole list from the other day took me about 20-25 minutes to call and speak with all of the people I listed. BTW, while you are on the phone with them, tell them that if they really want to address something bike related, how about trail access?

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    Called and emailed.

    This is truly ridiculous.
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    So much for fork mount racks...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip
    Called and emailed.

    This is truly ridiculous.
    Agreed. They're going to have to pull the QR's (not to mention the fork mount Thule racks) from my cold dead hands.

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    Technically they can't do a single dang thing if you own the bike already. I would recommend stocking up on QR parts in case if this does get passed.
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    Be concerned Gentlemen, be very concerned.

    I contacted my reps and found out the bill passed on 6/11 and is now in the Senate Commerce Committee. You all need to contact Senator Nia Gill who is the Chairman of the committee. Her email is: SenGill@njleg.org

    Also contact your Senators. Or get used to bolt ons.

    Ride on!

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    ive got one better

    Quote Originally Posted by Rip
    Technically they can't do a single dang thing if you own the bike already. I would recommend stocking up on QR parts in case if this does get passed.
    Im going to start an illegal ring to smuggle QR parts into NJ !!!
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    won't this kill the LBS's? what measures are the LBS's taking?

    nobody is going to be buying bikes in NJ anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idbrian
    won't this kill the LBS's? what measures are the LBS's taking?

    nobody is going to be buying bikes in NJ anymore.
    The law sucks, and it's complete BS that they made those last minute changes, but....

    This simply means when you buy a bike it will come with bolt on skewers installed.



    Then you can buy and install your own QRs. The bill only covers complete bike sales.

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    I agree this law is stupid, but in my opinion it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Its not like from this point on theres going to be police at every park or trail system checking if you have qr's. does anybody know if any penalties have been announced for breaking the law? i just dont find it as that big of a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Devil
    You all need to contact Senator Nia Gill who is the Chairman of the committee. Her email is: SenGill@njleg.org

    Also contact your Senators. Or get used to bolt ons.

    Ride on!

    JD
    This is correct. The bill has ALREADY been passed by the Assembly! So barking to your local Assemblyman is moot! You need to target your SENATOR! Find out who the senator in your district is. This bill is in the Senate Commerce Committee. They are supposed to hold public hearings on this. I emailed Nia Gill to find out when the hearings on this bill will be held, but have not heard anything back.

    If this bill passes in the Senate, all New Jersey Bike Stores will be in SERIOUS TROUBLE. I doubt a bike store can survive just on doing service and selling parts, alone. They need to sell bikes to remain financially viable. I do not own an bike store and I am not affiliated with bike stores, but I'd prefer to buy my next new bike in NEW JERSEY, and not in PA or NY or some other state, which could be the case if this bill is enacted.

    What can you do? EMAIL YOUR SENATOR.

    Go here:
    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/distric...cipalities.asp
    Click on the name of your town.
    Then click on the District Number.
    Then click on the SENATORs name. Send him or her an email.

    Here's what I emailed to Senator Lance (in District 23) this morning:

    I realize the Assembly has just passed A2686 and this bill is now going to the Senate for review. As drafted, THIS BILL MUST NOT BE PASSED!!

    Specifically, section c.(1)(a) makes it unlawful for any person to sell a bicycle equipped with a quick release wheel if the front wheel diameter is greater than 20 inches.

    This clause effectively makes it unlawful to sell *any* adult type bike in New Jersey. This is totally contrary to the intent of this legislation: to protect *children*!! It is completely uncessary to ban ALL bikes (especially those with wheel diameter larger than 20") equipped with a quick-release front wheel.

    PLEASE DO NOT PASS THIS BILL AS IT IS PRESENTLY DRAFTED!!
    Section c.(1)(a) must be REMOVED.


    I received back the following response from my district's Assemblyman:

    Bill A2686/S2837 is presently in the Senate Commerce Committee, I would suggest you contact Assemblywoman Nia Gill, Chair of committee, with your comments.
    So, the best thing for all of us to do is email Nia Gill.
    But before you do, READ THE BILL so you understand what it says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalbikpro
    I agree this law is stupid, but in my opinion it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Its not like from this point on theres going to be police at every park or trail system checking if you have qr's. does anybody know if any penalties have been announced for breaking the law? i just dont find it as that big of a deal.
    Do you do all of your own repairs? Do you ever need the sevices of your LBS? As the owner of an LBS, I have concerns as to how I could survive without actually selling bicycles.

    The law would require a secondary wheel retention device that does not currently exist. Not sure how anyone can get around that.

    The law does not state you can't own a bike with a standard quick release, it just says I can't sell you a new one.

    Gotta love NJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalbikpro
    I agree this law is stupid, but in my opinion it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Its not like from this point on theres going to be police at every park or trail system checking if you have qr's. does anybody know if any penalties have been announced for breaking the law? i just dont find it as that big of a deal.

    Bike shops in NJ can not survive w/o the sales of bikes with QR wheels. Even if you do all of your shopping online and you do not shop in local shop consider this a bill an invasion of your personal freedoms. This is the NJ lawmaking machine working to try to look good by protecting children from a non-existent problem.

    A solution looking for a problem.

    If this were a nationwide issue the Consumer Safety Product Commission would step in an make changes on a national scale.

    NJ is not the hotbed of quick release failure driven injury. It just isn't.


    Please write a quick email to a NJ senator to let them know just how silly this bill is.


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    I already contacted my legislature, and I encourage everyone to do so. I am about to build my first full suspension bike and it would really mess me up if I can't do it because of this ridiculous bill. Thank you everyone.. do you think if we e-mail IMBA they would help us out with this matter?? They are a much bigger organization and they have much better credentials to a Senator then a group of angry mountain bikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalbikpro
    I agree this law is stupid, but in my opinion it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Its not like from this point on theres going to be police at every park or trail system checking if you have qr's. does anybody know if any penalties have been announced for breaking the law? i just dont find it as that big of a deal.

    Actually, the law calls for a $10,000 fine if you sell a bike with a quick release on it.

    You can use the quick releases on the bikes, but you will only be able to buy those bikes from out of state. Or, if by some chance the fork manufacturers actually make a special attachment scheme to fit this law (two retention systems), the forks would be a lot more expensive and harder to come by because there would be little demand for these outside NJ.

    Overall, it is NJ acting like your mommy & daddy and telling you what is best for you -- you have no choice in the matter. Sounds like a George Orwell novel.

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    From the DH/FR board.........

    Kinnda interesting point of view.....................

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    Any responses?

    Anyone heard anything from our representatives? I have recveived nothing to my emails and phone calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat tyres
    Kinnda interesting point of view.....................

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    That's pretty nuts, except it says he wasn't using a QRs.

    BTW, Emmy's dad cross posted this thread to general discussion as well. It went in a different direction though.

    New Jersey Passes Bill Banning Quick Release Wheels

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    OK, are there any STATISTICS?

    Wouldn't there need to be a REASON to even think of a bill this 'tard? I'll have to try to find some stat's tonight because if they don't exist the only reason for this bill is to kill the bike in NJ. This bill takes the necessary actions in the "Lets Make Our Roads Safe For Cars!" campaign (gawd, I hope NJ doesn't have a campaign like that.) Maybe we could get the producers of "who killed the electric car" to do a preemptive "who wants to kill the bicycle" documentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch2
    Wouldn't there need to be a REASON to even think of a bill this 'tard? I'll have to try to find some stat's tonight because if they don't exist the only reason for this bill is to kill the bike in NJ. This bill takes the necessary actions in the "Lets Make Our Roads Safe For Cars!" campaign (gawd, I hope NJ doesn't have a campaign like that.) Maybe we could get the producers of "who killed the electric car" to do a preemptive "who wants to kill the bicycle" documentary.

    Have a nice day!
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    I think you're on to something there. GM or Ford could be behind it. Next they'll ban pneumatic bike tires (solid tires only), then require frames to be made out of cast iron, and finally require full roll cages on all bikes- for the safety of the cyclists, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch2
    Wouldn't there need to be a REASON to even think of a bill this 'tard? I'll have to try to find some stat's tonight because if they don't exist the only reason for this bill is to kill the bike in NJ. This bill takes the necessary actions in the "Lets Make Our Roads Safe For Cars!" campaign (gawd, I hope NJ doesn't have a campaign like that.) Maybe we could get the producers of "who killed the electric car" to do a preemptive "who wants to kill the bicycle" documentary.

    Have a nice day!
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    The car industry is not behind it -- there are many, many fat people who will absolutely not bike anywhere anyway. This is pure NANNY STATE mentality -- the state knows better than us dumb citizens and we need to be protected by nuturing government -- the same people who brought political correctness, seatbelt laws and helmet laws -- hey, if you are stupid enough to not wear a seatbelt, maybe you should perish in an accident -- why does government feel the need to have to protect you from yourself???
    That is what this is all about -- the same people want to outlaw aluminum bats for baseball, too. I don't think the car industry is behind that one -- unless they want more people to drive than watch baseball.
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    finally a watered down useless law!

    I'm not sure where they get the stats, could be 100 injuries worldwide since the inception of bicycles, and I'm not sure which "new mechanisms" they are talking about to replace the "old" skewers, but happily the efficiency of our state government has watered down the law enough where it doesn't seem too restrictive. My kids 24"er doesn't have skewers which is fine because he couldn't change a flat anyway so why would I want him taking the wheel off? The only bad thing I see is more "helicopter parents" will be afraid to let their pride and joy ride bikes 'cuz our nanny gov't says they will die a traumatic death doing so!

    here's a snippet from (http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bi...00/2686_R2.HTM)

    1. The Legislature hereby finds and declares that:

    Children riding bicycles with quick release wheels have been involved in over 100 accidents;

    Many of the children involved in these accidents have suffered injuries, including permanent scarring, disfigurement, major bone and dental trauma, severe scraping and bruising, brain injury, and ruptured internal organs;

    2[Multiple bicycle manufacturers have recalled their quick release mechanisms due to failure of the mechanism; and]2

    The danger to children caused by bicycles with quick release wheels is unacceptable in light of the fact that safer alternatives exist 2; and

    Furthermore, advances in quick release technology make it right and proper that the new mechanisms—which are less prone to assembler and user error—be used in place of the old2.

    It is, therefore, altogether fitting and proper that the State regulate the sale of bicycles with quick release wheels to stem the rash of senseless injuries to children resulting from their use.

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