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    First Time Riding Allaire

    I'll be hitting Allaire for the first time next week - I got what looks to be a real good map from MTBNJ.com

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    any areas to hit? any areas to avoid (sand pits perhaps)?

    Anyone know if its cool to ride with (well trained) dogs there, weather permitting?

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    cool map

    never been there before.....but from others tell me, the time to go is in the fall or winter when the ground hardens up. I could be very wrong though since i've never been there.

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    Stay around the outer portions of that map. The inner parts get more sandy. The area heading out to the right facing into the lot is pretty cool, follow it down to the stream edge and follow the stream. The trail near the golf course is cool (tiger woods i believe). I went with a guide once that showed me an area that figure 8'd around a couple of swamps that i never found on my own. That was cool too. Possibly the bog area on that map?

    Make sure you park at Hospital Rd lot. This place is the easiest MTB trail i've ridden in NJ in terms of hills/endurance.

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    When do you plan on going? If schedule permits, I could give you a tour if you want. It would be alot better than trying to read that map, although its an ok map.

    As lawndart said, I think Allaire is best enjoyed in the fall and winter when the ground stiffens up a bit and the sand areas are a non issue. With a good loop, you can easily get a good 12 mile ride in and see all the good stuff.

    Let me know if you're interested, we can set something up. Honestly, if you go by yourself, you may not find alot of the good trails.
    You guys live or plan on coming to New Jersey, check out mtbnj.com

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    Thanks - I'll be down at LBI all next week - was thinking of going tuesday or wednesday morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiki21
    Thanks - I'll be down at LBI all next week - was thinking of going tuesday or wednesday morning.
    Allaire is a great place ride there once/twice a week. I would like to ride there with you guys but I have work. I could ride Friday morning if you are still around. Checked out your profile I'm from Jersey City right next to you.

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    Ooooh. I live in Weehawken. I have been trying to find some locals to ride with. If you guys ride not too early on the weekends, we should hook up for some rides. Although i can't come close to owning either, I have been frequenting Allamuchy, and Ringwood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idbrian
    Ooooh. I live in Weehawken. I have been trying to find some locals to ride with. If you guys ride not too early on the weekends, we should hook up for some rides. Although i can't come close to owning either, I have been frequenting Allamuchy, and Ringwood.
    I rode Ringwood for the first time this past Sunday and I had a great time. It would be nice to ride there again, it would save gasoline if we carpool also. I've never been to Allamuchy so it would be nice to have a tour guide. I know Hartshorne and Allaire really well since those are the trails I ride during the week.

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    I've been riding Ringwood alot this summer and feeel I have a decent knowledge of the layout but I'm sure there is a ton more I haven't found. I usually try to get on the road by 9-10 am - would be interested in sharing trail knowledge and driving duties.

    Like I said, will be down the beach for the next two weekends but could try to arrange something for mid late sept.

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    FYI - Tiki21 = Clubber Lang
    got sick of my original screen name.

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    Mid-late Sept sounds good. I know my way around Allamuchy relatively well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clubber Lang
    I've been riding Ringwood alot this summer and feeel I have a decent knowledge of the layout but I'm sure there is a ton more I haven't found. I usually try to get on the road by 9-10 am - would be interested in sharing trail knowledge and driving duties.

    Like I said, will be down the beach for the next two weekends but could try to arrange something for mid late sept.
    I will be riding Allaire on Thursday (08/30/07) starting at 5:00. I will be riding with my girlfriend and co-worker so we will not be riding fast at all and probably a lot of stopping because its my g/f first time using clipless pedals
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiki21
    I'll be hitting Allaire for the first time next week - I got what looks to be a real good map from MTBNJ.com

    http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/attachmen...7&d=1098236012

    any areas to hit? any areas to avoid (sand pits perhaps)?

    Anyone know if its cool to ride with (well trained) dogs there, weather permitting?

    thanks
    I agree with the folks who said fall/winter is the best. Riding in sand was not the big issue for me. It's what it did to my bike . The "screeching" I hear from my chain and in/around the BB area obviously because of the sand really bothered me. No matter what kind of cleaning I do, it was still there. Replacing fixed it for the chain.

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    Is it that bad? I'd rather not F up my bike, would be nice to get a ride in on my vacation though.

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    NO....I ride there almost daily and don't go through more chains because of it. If you end up in deep sand , you are on the wrong trail. Plenty of trails there with little sand. Ride with someone who really knows the place and then form your own opinion.

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    I was riding there one time and my bike completely disintegrated - then it turned into sand. Other than that one experience, Allaire is definatly worth checking out. Best thing to do is hook up with someone that knows the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat tyres
    I was riding there one time and my bike completely disintegrated - then it turned into sand.
    It was that virus your bike caught from the rain forrest.

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    Btw

    Both Allaire and Hartshorne seem to have really recovered well from the recent rain damage. Looking much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmuller
    Both Allaire and Hartshorne seem to have really recovered well from the recent rain damage. Looking much better.
    And you can thank the volunteers, like yourself, who bust arse to help the recovery.

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    I feel bad I missed the tm, but NH was calling me... I'm going to try to get out this weekend. What area(s) got the tlc last weekend?
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    did some work on Tiger woods and other spots throughout the park. Still got some excess sand at Allaire beach but will tackle that this month.Plotted a little re-route near the SW pit that should be nice.......now we just have to get to it.

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    I haven't been to Tiger Woods since after the skills clinic. I'll have to get back over there and check it out. I should be able to make the TM on the 16th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash_in_nj
    I haven't been to Tiger Woods since after the skills clinic. I'll have to get back over there and check it out. I should be able to make the TM on the 16th.
    cool

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    I just got back from a 4 hour tour. The re-route on Tiger Woods is pretty nice. We went out and back on Tiger Woods, hit the cola trail, wandered around a bit on the orange trail, then crossed the road and did some more wandering. It was a great ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash_in_nj
    I just got back from a 4 hour tour. The re-route on Tiger Woods is pretty nice. We went out and back on Tiger Woods, hit the cola trail, wandered around a bit on the orange trail, then crossed the road and did some more wandering. It was a great ride.
    just wondering, where's the cola trail?, also could anyone shed some insight on the car wreck?

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    We call it the coke trail because there are old coke machines dumped along the flood plain of the river. The car????? well that's one I don't have an answer for. It's been there for a long time. Does anyone know where the Datsun pick up bed is???

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    I've seen a rusted out old car back there a couple of times. Is that what you're referring to?
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    is the cola trail along side the river opposite the trail head on hospital road, leading to the RC field or the one along the golf course ? ( place looked liked a scene from the movie deliverance )

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    if it's the rusted blue, it's the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojodancer
    is the cola trail along side the river opposite the trail head on hospital road, leading to the RC field or the one along the golf course ? ( place looked liked a scene from the movie deliverance )
    That's a great description of it. yep it's runs right up to the golf course. One request though.....please don't blaze through, the golfers get pissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gt2brew
    That's a great description of it. yep it's runs right up to the golf course. One request though.....please don't blaze through, the golfers get pissed.
    i'm so aware of that, got lost there once, it took me forever to find my way back,
    but when i did it was getting dark to head back the orange trail, to make my story short
    i doubled back to the golf course crossed some greenery onto the farm and back to
    hospital rd. some epic ride that i will never do again.

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    The trail leading down to it is sunken. It comes out facing the car in a small open area. The trail drops down to the right? I think that's it. Sound familiar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojodancer
    i'm so aware of that, got lost there once, it took me forever to find my way back,
    but when i did it was getting dark to head back the orange trail, to make my story short
    i doubled back to the golf course crossed some greenery onto the farm and back to
    hospital rd. some epic ride that i will never do again.


    I did the same exact thing... about 6 years or so ago. I don't know who was more annoyed at me, the golfers or the wife!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mergs

    I don't know who was more annoyed at me, the golfers or the wife!
    Frau Mergler is way too nice for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash_in_nj
    The trail leading down to it is sunken. It comes out facing the car in a small open area. The trail drops down to the right? I think that's it. Sound familiar?
    you forgot sand, and lots of it. have you tried the drop to the right of the sunken trail?
    i gave it a try yesterday, but endo'ed halfway thru, sand is too deep or i chose the wrong line.

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    Du kennst Frau Mergler nicht. Sie hat heissen Temper und heisses Deutches Blut.

    she was actually ok with it, but it was a long day on the bike thanks to my bad navigation skills. If only I knew you back then...

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    I'm still trying to work out the whole technique for dropping things. Mostly it ends badly. I can handle smaller stuff most of the time, and some bigger (over a foot for me) stuff sometimes. I like jumping, I just need to learn how to do it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash_in_nj
    I've seen a rusted out old car back there a couple of times. Is that what you're referring to?
    The abandoned car is on a trail that is currently closed. That trail was part of the clear cut from many years ago, the trees have grown back, the car is still there, but off limits.

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    I didn't realize the trail is closed. It wasn't my intention to ride anywhere off limits. There is another trail leading down to the car, perpendicular to the one I was on. Is that the closed trail? Are they both closed? It doesn't look like the trail is suffering a lack of use, so if they are closed, maybe we should get out there and make it obvious. I wasn't even trying to get there, I was just lost (a common condition for me). The next time through, it was one of those, "Hey, wait! This looks familiar, let's go this way." type of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash_in_nj
    I didn't realize the trail is closed., I was just lost (a common condition for me).
    If you were lost you could have riden uphill to the car, then encountered the deep sand. The deep sand is a result of the heavy equipment used to clear cut that section of the park. That was one of my favorite areas to ride, to bad it's closed.

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    I'm confused now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flat tyres
    If you were lost you could have riden uphill to the car, then encountered the deep sand. The deep sand is a result of the heavy equipment used to clear cut that section of the park. That was one of my favorite areas to ride, to bad it's closed.
    I don't know that area too well. I was coming down the hill when I found the car. If I remember right, there are 2 trails that come down the hill and meet by the car. The one I was on was almost a ditch, and came out facing the car. Then a right turn would put you further down the hill and into the sand. If you cross the sand, you come to an intersection. Going straight there takes you back up the hill on a (literally horse) carpy trail. I don't know where the left or right turns at this intersection take you, or even what trail it is. I also don't know what part of these trails are closed. Maybe at the next TM we can make it more obvious? That sand really sucks, so it'd be great to block off that area of trail with some deadfall or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash_in_nj
    I don't know that area too well. . Maybe at the next TM we can make it more obvious? That sand really sucks, so it'd be great to block off that area of trail with some deadfall or something.
    OK, one more try; if you are in that "ditch" or sandy valley you have wondered off the trail. From that sandy area, near the car, uphill to the north is tiger woods, downhill to the south is the coke trail. Neither are marked trails, but are great trails anyway. I always suggest a guide when at Allaire, it'll make your experience alot more enjoyable. I wondered those woods for a good year before really knowing all the ins and outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat tyres
    OK, one more try; if you are in that "ditch" or sandy valley you have wondered off the trail. From that sandy area, near the car, uphill to the north is tiger woods, downhill to the south is the coke trail. Neither are marked trails, but are great trails anyway. I always suggest a guide when at Allaire, it'll make your experience alot more enjoyable. I wondered those woods for a good year before really knowing all the ins and outs.
    I agree, Ive been riding the place pretty religiously for the past year, and while I have been on probably every one of the trails I still cant put them all together. I will pop out from some trail thinking im in a totally different place and say how the hell did I get here?!? LOL.

    Gotta get out with you guys Frank, when are the regular rides? Wednesday? Been out with you before, im Morts buddy with the camo wheelset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gt2brew
    NO....I ride there almost daily ....
    Someone told me that you do group rides 8 days a week there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mergs
    Someone told me that you do group rides 8 days a week there?
    At least 9

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    Our regular rides are fading as fast as the sun. Will fill ya in on sunday.

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    my buddy and I are going tomorrow morning for our first time and from reading this post we will do best if we stick to the trails on the outside of the map? any other tips we should know about?
    thanks guys

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    explore and have fun

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