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    Who the F is removing rocks from Sidewinder/Juan/Burn?

    To the d-bag(s) that is removing/digging out the rocks from some of Santa Fe's best trails: Stop turning some of our only technical trails into wheelchair paths.
    Stop ruining our trails. Learn to ride over techy rocks or stay on Dale Ball North.
    You are ruining it for the rest of us. Leave Sidewinder, Burn, & Juan alone.

    Seriously, stop ruining our trails.

    If any of you see the person(s) doing this, please stop and let them know they are ruining our best trails. If you can, get the name of the person(s) before expressing any discontent and be sure to post it here.

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    Dude, It helps me get better Strava times. ; ) but seriously my buddy was riding up there this weekend and saw a lady doing just fukn' that. INSANE!

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    Arghh. Was she riding or hiking ?

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    If possible replace with larger heavier rocks.

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    TJ, I haven't heard about any work, or proposed work, on those trails, I'll "dig around" and try to find out who it is and stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixbikes View Post
    Arghh. Was she riding or hiking ?
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    I've seen strange lights in the area recently. Could be ETs are behind this...

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    I'm gonna check out the Cannondale Demo in La Tierra tomorrow, but if anyone else is likely to make it up there soon it might work to put up a small sign somewhere along the 1st stretch of Sidewinder asking other users to leave the trail the f*#k alone.

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    Acronyms: FYI SFFTS,nor TAOSF nor SFCT knows anything about this trailwork, So it seems to just be an individual effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delnorte View Post
    To the d-bag(s) that is removing/digging out the rocks from some of Santa Fe's best trails: Stop turning some of our only technical trails into wheelchair paths.
    Stop ruining our trails. Learn to ride over techy rocks or stay on Dale Ball North.
    You are ruining it for the rest of us. Leave Sidewinder, Burn, & Juan alone.
    You should ask SageCat if she knows anything about it...

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    Don't know, but will I keep up the conversation

    I try to tell every trail worker I know, "leave the rocks, keep the trail interesting." Sometimes they listen, mostly not.

    It is simply ignorance. They think they are helping. ARRGHHH. I will post a note on Pedal Queens FB to see if we can find the culprit and increase awareness. Signs might help.

    If you could all try to show up on public work days and keep telling everyone. Some are tired of hearing me. See trailsallianceofsantafe.org for workdays.

    Upper Winsor will be the next "project."

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    I'm going to ride through there today and post up some signs after work. Hopefully there's no more rocks removed from the trail
    I can't believe someone is doing this to our trails. The irreparable damage is heartbreaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delnorte View Post
    I'm going to ride through there today and post up some signs after work. Hopefully there's no more rocks removed from the trail
    I can't believe someone is doing this to our trails. The irreparable damage is heartbreaking.
    CDaddy (I think it was him) was saying someone ripped the signs down and ripped them in half. WTF?

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    This would be a good sign:



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    Quote Originally Posted by cabra cadabra View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpinata View Post
    It's happening in the ABQ Foothills too.
    The north foothills have been getting robbed alot of there good rocks. Don't rocks controll erosion. Its getting worse every year.
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    Whats new....? The foothills are 1000% different than 15-20 years ago. It used to be a challenging effort to ride 365. We actually used to break wheels, spokes and occasionally frames on the tech in SFH and NFH. It used to be one of the tech-i-est trails around. It's all gone now. All the trails suck now unless you get 5+ miles away from any trailhead where hikers seldom roam. I cant tell you how many rocks I have put back in place over the years. Some really big. Otero and tunnel suffered a huge sanitizing effort last fall for the first few miles. Notice how smooth it is now? it didnt used to be that way.

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    I am pretty sure that parts of the Foothills can be roller bladed on without any problem.

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    I don't know bobby sfh is still pretty tech. Lots of stuff out there. But this thread is motivating me. I'm gonna build a nice kicker smack in the middle of the trail later on this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    I don't know bobby sfh is still pretty tech. Lots of stuff out there. But this thread is motivating me. I'm gonna build a nice kicker smack in the middle of the trail later on this week.
    It used to be tech all over. Not just here and there. Especially Elena. Those trails used to eat bikes and bike parts. Buddy of mine broke a full suspension voodoo frame out there. I bent a fork, tacoed a wheel, broke spokes, bent cranks (this one often) and lost several derailleurs there. Now you don't need ANY suspension and I haven't broke anything there since I can remember. Half of the trails are now 10feet wide and steamrolled and can be ridden with a Huffy.
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    Sorry to hear about this. We have problems similar but not identical to this here in CA. People come in and steal dirt, rocks and wood chips for landscaping/gardening instead of buying these supplies lawfully. I've seen people just back their pick ups into an area and strip the landscape.

    Pebble Beach near Carmel, CA had to actually post signs telling people not to take the rocks off the beach. Each tourist that showed up would take a little piece of our coast home with them.

    They seem to have no regard to the fact they are tresspassing and stealing in the majority of cases.
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    Edit:

    After communicating with Sage, I don’t believe it was her doing the work. The person they saw is definitely someone who looks like Sage. At least keep an eye out for a person like this on that trail. I at least hope that the word is out enough to limit this trail project to only what has occurred at this point.

    This is one of my favorite trails, and when I noticed the large, embedded rocks being torn out, I was very upset and vocal about it. Having my panties all in a wad, and obviously being pretty upset about it, I was easily spurred to over react.

    I should have asked Sage first, before going with that info to a public forum. Hindsight is 20/20. When I was told that they saw Sage, I overreacted and ran my mouth too soon, for sure. I definitely should have asked her before just going to a public forum with those statements. I’m certain that it was not her. Sage, my apologies for openly using info that I had not verified through you first.
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    We've only got one witch around here...

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    What is really going on Sage Cat ?

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    What is really going on

    What’s going on is that someone with a fake name is publishing fished up gossip from anonymous sources to accuse and convict me of, dare I say it, .. rock moving….. yikes!

    I was clear in my first post that it was not me. I have tried to private message this brave person to clear this up, but they won’t reply.

    There are very few women mtbrs and trail-builders in SF, so I can understand the assumption, but not the desire to convict me. I informed Delnorte with a PM that I have been up on Sidewinder Burn only once this year, over two months ago. It could not have been me. I asked him to remove his post. Whatever “lady” he is after, is not me.

    Well, Phoenixbikes, since you asked what’s going on, I’ll fill you in on what I've been up to:Here is my volunteer schedule since January:

    From January to June I took a five-month class by the SFNF and got certified as a trail crew leader. I have spent over a hundred hours on trail crews just this year, including training YCC crews.

    In April, as a League Certified Instructor for the League of American Bicyclists, I taught several free Bicycle 123 Classes for adults and kids in Santa Fe.

    In March, I got certified for CPR, First Aid, AED, etc.

    In May, I led “bike trains” for bike to school day.

    In May, I became certified as both a crosscut and chainsaw sawyer for the SFNF. (Notice the tree on upper Winsor between PCR and Big T was cleared last weekend?)

    In May, I organized and sponsored a Northern NM Pueblos Bicycle Day for Kids: we fixed about 80 bikes and trained about 50 kids in bike safety and vehicular cycling.

    In June I went to Angel Fire and graduated from a 3-day class put on by Whistler, BC and became a certified, level 1, mountain bike instructor.

    In July and August I taught 5 clinics for Pedal Queens on Mountain Bike Basics.

    Also, a group of us revised and reprinted the New Mexico Driver’s Manual to add a section, “Bicycles are Vehicles” and got new media printed and distributed. Last month I was teaching teens at drivers ed about bicycle safety.

    All of this I did for free while working, riding, being with my family and hanging in Nicaragua.

    During this time, dirt, rocks, trees and duff have been moved, but not on the Burn, and while advocating for rough, natural lines. I invite you to join me on these work days. If you are still not clear on my position, re-read my first post. Otherwise, join the witch hunt, and then, I demand a “trial by beer.” All of the “bike shops” and all the “people on the street” and the secret “witness,” call me and let’s throw down some hops.

    I'm goin' ridin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delnorte View Post
    After talking to many different riders in the Santa Fe MTB community, word on the street is that Sage Cat was the person removing rocks from that trail. Everybody in the shops are saying it was her, too. WTF?????
    Apparently, there was a witness that knows her (thanks, you know who you are), that saw her during the act, whom confirmed the story.
    Please, say it ain't so.
    Also, now there is a huge wash-out rut down the middle of that trail that was never there before the best/trickiest rock feature was removed from the path. This really sucks.
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    unless you saw it you don't know.

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    have that witness come forward so Sage Cat can defend herself 'face-to-face'.

    this whole 'I heard from someone who thought they saw and was pretty sure it's who i'm saying' is lame.

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    she says it ain't so....


    so either prove it, or stop spreading rumors....


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    I am also going to jump in here and comment that accusations on a user name basis, posting of private PM's and using real names on posts of accusations is a fast way to get a time out. Obviously Sage Cat is taking the high road here. Others are taking a much lower road.
    Try this: HTFU

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    I haven't been on sidewinder lately or seen the latest sanitizing, but I do know Sage Cat and I know that she knows more about sustainable trail maintenance than most of us and I also know that she is not one to alter a trail to make it faster.

    So I'm calling bullsh!t on delnorte's source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixbikes View Post
    What is really going on Sage Cat ?
    Glad I asked. It'd be nice to know who the real culprit is.

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    sorry for the deletions - a previously permabanned user keeps coming back.

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    Plant them Deep, they seem to only move the low hanging fruit. Notice how that 12" drop off rock on DB east has never moved (behind the house that was build post DB trail system)...I know, they developed a path around it. I'll have to plant another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    sorry for the deletions - a previously permabanned user keeps coming back.

    he's easy to hammer....and i've banned his puppets at least 40 times....
    ..gangnam style.


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    After communicating with Sage, I don’t believe it was her doing the work. The person they saw is definitely someone who looks like Sage. At least keep an eye out for a person like this on that trail. I at least hope that the word is out enough to limit this trail project to only what has occurred at this point.

    This is one of my favorite trails, and when I noticed the large, embedded rocks being torn out, I was very upset and vocal about it. Having my panties all in a wad, and obviously being pretty upset about it, I was easily spurred to over react.

    I should have asked Sage first, before going with that info to a public forum. Hindsight is 20/20. When I was told that they saw Sage, I overreacted and ran my mouth too soon, for sure. I definitely should have asked her before just going to a public forum with those statements. I’m certain that it was not her. Sage, my apologies for openly using info that I had not verified through you first.

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    Um, what does this little vid have to do with anything ?

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    Phoenix, the snowflakes are falling
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    Thanks man

    We're cool.

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    I should have asked Sage first, before going with that info to a public forum. Hindsight is 20/20. When I was told that they saw Sage, I overreacted and ran my mouth too soon, for sure. I definitely should have asked her before just going to a public forum with those statements. I’m certain that it was not her. Sage, my apologies for openly using info that I had not verified through you first.

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    Rode Atalaya the other day. The whole trail was swept clean, like a perfect sidewalk! It was like that from Wilderness Gate to the top. Strange. Not a rock the size of a dime on the whole trail. Hard to believe someone has the time and effort to do this kind of work. (Must be done for the folks who can barely walk up it with their trekking poles, let alone ride it.) Almost seems skateboardable!

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    Rode the South Foothills yesterday and it's a mess. So many holes.
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    Yes. "Mountain Bikers for Trail Maintenance" is the group who have adopted this section. They are either doing the sanitation, or doing nothing about it. Every day for the last month rocks have been removed. Destructively removed via sledgehammer. I have called and emailed Jim Sattler and Jolynn Maestas with the City Open Space to make him aware but it has had little to know effect. Be cause I may be the only one that has attempted to contact him I invite you all to make an attempt as well and hopefully if he gets 50 emails on this very topic it will get his attention.

    This contact info has been taken from the city's webpage to I have no problem posting it here.

    Trail Watch Volunteers

    Trail Watch Volunteers are the foundation of the volunteer program - essentially, all volunteers are trained to be Trail Watch. Trail Watch is ideal for those volunteers who enjoy using the trails. Often referred to as Open Space "eyes and ears", these volunteers patrol areas of their choice and record observations, report problems and needs, and educate the public on proper resource use.

    Call Jolynn Maestas at 452-5207 or email jmaestas@cabq.gov for information.
    Adopt-an-Open Space

    As an extension of the Trail Watch Volunteer program, the Adopt-an-Open Space program was formed to concentrate stewardship in a targeted area. TWV duties are applied, but adopters also agree to organize at least one group project per year. Some areas may require more scheduled projects within a year. In the foothills, individuals or groups can adopt trails and assist with the essential maintenance of these visitor corridors. In the bosque, groups of 10 or more can adopt restoration areas and help with non-native plant control and trail maintenance. At the City's expense, a sign is installed in the adopted area recognizing the adopters efforts.

    Call Jim Sattler at 452-5213 or email jsattler@cabq.gov for information.



    Please take a moment to contact both of them by email, phone, or both and send them any pictures or pertinent information so this madness can be addressed.



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