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    Stage 3 Restrictions (closures) on the Sandia Rd Coming.

    Looks like we're trending towards stage 3 (closures) for June 10. All areas except for the foothills south of the Tram will be closed. Think rain!

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    I was just thinking about asking this. It will be a bummer for the riding but anything to help keep knuckleheads from starting fires is ok by me.

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    So is this just the Sandias or will it include the Cedro- Otero area as well?
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    Cedro-Otero as well

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    Two weekends left. Get it while you can.
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    Kerry, what is your best guess, will the ski area will get to stay open?

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    +1 on the question about the ski area

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    Sorry, closed. Foothills south of the tram only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    Cedro-Otero as well

    Crap! So when are we gonna organize a ride before this gets shut down?
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    Not quite clear on that. You mean 'closed' as in 'closed now' or were you answering the question about the ski area?

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    Doh!

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    Kerry was saying that the Ski area will be closed. Currently the forest in in Stage II no closures (yet.)
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    Damn! Time to do a rain dance
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Crap! So when are we gonna organize a ride before this gets shut down?
    Tomorrow (Saturday) at 0900hrs, Otero trail head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    Tomorrow (Saturday) at 0900hrs, Otero trail head.
    I could do that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    Tomorrow (Saturday) at 0900hrs, Otero trail head.
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    I could do that!
    thinking the same thing
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    OR go to the trail day instead, and help build some new trails!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skelldify View Post
    OR go to the trail day instead, and help build some new trails!
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    I have, I do and I will, but not today. Thanks for the suggestion.

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    Any chance this afternoon's rains changed anything?

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    We got a nice shower yesterday evening. Actually got the ground pretty wet. Already today you can't tell it did anything. Hope it was enough for the animals to get a drink. They are hurting pretty bad up here. Heard there was quite a few lightning strikes in the Manzanos. Not what we want from the storms.
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    Looks like the riding options are getting smaller. Foot Hills and Bosque closing down. Time to head north.
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    Foothills south of the Tram and out of the wilderness will still be open after June 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    Foothills south of the Tram and out of the wilderness will still be open after June 10
    Good to know. The report on the news tonight made it sound like all open space is closing including foot hills. I'll take what I can get.
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    Rode the North Footies this afternoon from Cedar Hill to Elena and around to 302. Didn't see anther rider in the hour and a half on the trail. The misinformation seems to be widespread. Only saw three riders yesterday. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, the trail is so crowded, nobody goes there anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    Rode the North Footies this afternoon from Cedar Hill to Elena and around to 302. Didn't see anther rider in the hour and a half on the trail. The misinformation seems to be widespread. Only saw three riders yesterday. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, the trail is so crowded, nobody goes there anymore.

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    Oh yeah, I forgot. The Footies suck! Too freakin' crowded and so groomed you could roller blade them! How's that? Better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    Oh yeah, I forgot. The Footies suck! Too freakin' crowded and so groomed you could roller blade them! How's that? Better?
    When I first moved to Abq. the only way I could get some piece of mind was rollerblading cuz that was the only thing I could afford to maintenance.

    What ever happened to that sport?

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    Mine are gathering dust... but you've got me thinking... Bosque trail is still open. You can blade for miles without interruption there... Assume you meant peace of mind ... or were you pissed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    Mine are gathering dust... but you've got me thinking... Bosque trail is still open. You can blade for miles without interruption there... Assume you meant peace of mind ... or were you pissed?
    I moved here from Oahu.

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    Oh. You were pissed. Welcome. Let's ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrebyter View Post
    Rode the North Footies this afternoon from Cedar Hill to Elena and around to 302. Didn't see anther rider in the hour and a half on the trail. The misinformation seems to be widespread. ....
    Here's the order: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...rdb5423399.pdf

    There are also maps, but those don't make you feel any better.

    And even worse, if you want to just go pedal up some roads to get a good cardio workout, both NM 165 from Placitas to the Peak and NM 536 from mile marker 2 to the peak are both closed.

    Hiked on the Peak this weekend with the family and it's really bad. There is a ton of blowdown just sitting on the forest floor...if they do get a lightning strike or some asshat with a match up there, it's going to be tragic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stabone33 View Post
    Here's the order: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...rdb5423399.pdf

    There are also maps, but those don't make you feel any better.

    And even worse, if you want to just go pedal up some roads to get a good cardio workout, both NM 165 from Placitas to the Peak and NM 536 from mile marker 2 to the peak are both closed.

    Hiked on the Peak this weekend with the family and it's really bad. There is a ton of blowdown just sitting on the forest floor...if they do get a lightning strike or some asshat with a match up there, it's going to be tragic.
    We were talking about that this weekend. (Preventing fires for too long)
    Its only a matter of time. Then hopefully it can grow back and we will start letting it burn. Its not a matter of if its a matter of when.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    We were talking about that this weekend. (Preventing fires for too long)
    Its only a matter of time. Then hopefully it can grow back and we will start letting it burn. Its not a matter of if its a matter of when.
    I agree. Would rather it be lightning than carelessness or outright felony arson, though...and after a couple good normal winters and summer monsoons so at least something can survive. Maybe that's enviro-brainwashing talking, because it doesn't make any difference in terms of the end result, and over the long term it may be good for the forest.

    Went through Summit County a couple weeks ago and I'm glad to see all the beetle kill being cut. That whole county will be one enormous aspen grove in 75 years...my great-grandkids will love it...maybe their grandkids will say the same about the Sandias.

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    It may be pased the point where we can do anything about it. If it burns the whole top the mountain will be gone. Then of it get git by a good monson all the top soil will be gone.... would be cool just barren rocls up there... like a giant white mesa. Sad to think how inevitable it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    It may be pased the point where we can do anything about it. If it burns the whole top the mountain will be gone. Then of it get git by a good monson all the top soil will be gone.... would be cool just barren rocls up there... like a giant white mesa. Sad to think how inevitable it is
    After the Cochiti fire and following rain I heard about Dixion's orchard on the news then saw it in person. I'd hate to see the Sandia's burn as it would be tragic for Albuquerque. Would be great if there was a means of removing the dead and down fuel. Crossing my fingers for significant rain here in the near future.

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    I think the trick is to get it to the point where it can burn without killing the big trees. Who knows i dont understand the fire cycle , but i think everyone knows (now) that its a very imporant part of the forrest. ...... whats my point? Oh yea its that unless the entire top of the sandias gets thined out and all the deadfal and dry old brush gets cleaned off the ground the next fire that happens there will burn so hot so fast the whole top of the mountain will be gone.

    Its only getting hotter and dryer.

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    The whole mountain will burn like the mountain back of Flagstaff burned years ago. It will be renamed Sandia Baldy. I favor selective logging and mastication, the former snarled in the wilderness crap and the latter in the same boat with the additional problem of decreasing federal funding. I'll sue the Sierra Club when my water shed is ruined...

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    It's about time! We are getting pounded with rain here in the East Mtns right now. Its been so long since we had rain, forgot what its like. Bet we have got nearly 1/2 in. Good start. Keep it coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbike52 View Post
    It's about time! We are getting pounded with rain here in the East Mtns right now. Its been so long since we had rain, forgot what its like. Bet we have got nearly 1/2 in. Good start. Keep it coming.
    Awesome! Thanks for the update! Was hoping you guys got soaked good! Hopefully this will keep up all week and they will open the trails by the end of the week. I know, wishful thinking, right? Can't help but hope though!

    Keep us updated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElektricEye View Post
    Awesome! Thanks for the update! Was hoping you guys got soaked good! Hopefully this will keep up all week and they will open the trails by the end of the week. I know, wishful thinking, right? Can't help but hope though!

    Keep us updated!
    You wanted more rain. We got it over night. From the looks of things there was quite a bit more than the other day.The lightning and thunder was crazy. Doubt that there is any chance the forest will open before the 4th weekend is over. If the rain keeps up, it won't be long.
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    1.24 inches just after midnight up near Tinkertown. Always good to have heavy rain with lightning. I even saw mud!

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    Re: Stage 3 Restrictions (closures) on the Sandia Rd Coming.

    I see more rain forecasted for today and tomorrow ! Hopefully closures get lifted soon. Not getting my hopes up yet but damn I'm sick of the foothills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg2lk15 View Post
    1.24 inches just after midnight up near Tinkertown. Always good to have heavy rain with lightning. I even saw mud!
    I knew it was a bunch of rain. We got at least that much last night over here. Bet Otero had water flowing. Damn, I miss Otero!
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    Re: Stage 3 Restrictions (closures) on the Sandia Rd Coming.

    I'm guessing you guys got more rain? The lightning last night was better than the fireworks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighSpeedChase View Post
    I'm guessing you guys got more rain? The lightning last night was better than the fireworks!

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    That was quite a show up here last night. Shook the house a few times. And yes its nice and wet again this morn. We have gotten some good rain several days in a row now. Hasn't dried out since Mon-Tues. Lets hope the FS opens things back up by the first of the week. As wet as it is, there's no reason not to. Kills my to drive by Otero to go ride in the Foot Hills.
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    Kerry, can you comment one way or another?

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    They're still mulling it over. We've gotten a lot on the south side but the north end has missed much of that moisture. I'll pass it along as soon as I hear something for sure (who knows you may hear before me...).

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    Last night the north end got a bit. Also, I went by Golden yesterday, it was closed , and the whole area showed signs of recent flooding. But, the main thing to consider is the weather is trending toward more rain with no end in sight. It was just a 20% chance today and it rained all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbike52 View Post
    . Kills my to drive by Otero to go ride in the Foot Hills.
    LoL that must suck! Don't you have enough private land to make a mini course at least?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElektricEye View Post
    LoL that must suck! Don't you have enough private land to make a mini course at least?
    A little more rain overnight here. Anything on the north end of the SRD? Looks like Abq actually got some this time. I do have a small course here at my place. It has some good stuff on it. 3 drops, one log drop, a teeter totter,2 doubles and a practice skinny. But you can only go round and round the property so many times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbike52 View Post
    A little more rain overnight here. Anything on the north end of the SRD? Looks like Abq actually got some this time.
    Got a little at least up here around Cedar Crest at the top of 14...dirt was wet early this morning.

    I think there needs to be a solid month of monsoon moisture on this scale to knock down the fire danger....

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    Just called the Sandia Ranger Station in Tijeras to see if there are any updates on the closure. The recording says that even though we have been getting rain, the closure will remain in effect. If the north end of the district is still lacking in rain, they should open the south end of the district. They have opened and closed them at different times in the past.Open south of I-40 and keep the Sandias closed. The south end has done very well for rain over the past week and a half. It just rained again up here. I think Sun was the only day lately that we haven't gotten rain. I'm all for people, home and forest safety. Heck, my house sits close to the edge of the NF. But when its moist,it moist and time to open up. Even the extended forecast is calling for more rain. OK, rant over.
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    The latest I've heard is that the recent rains are helping but our fuel moistures are about where they were when we first went in to closure so we still have quite a deficit to make up. So Keep that rain coming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    our fuel moistures are about where they were when we first went in to closure
    No way. Possibly the Sandias, but not here on the south end. Theres a huge difference between now and a week and a half ago south of I-40. The FS will do what it wants, but just saying.
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    No disagreement with the fact that its been raining but recall the rain deficit we're working out of. It hadn't rained for months. We're in a good trend and on the way to opening back. Trust me, we want to open as well (Ive got projects to do damn it) but have to go by the numbers. Be patient, it'll be soon.

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    So it may be "measurable" but "reasonable" fuel moisture content is what counts. Mud here on N14 but mud doesn't count.

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    It came down hard near Las Huertas and farther down but was missing the top earlier...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    It came down hard near Las Huertas and farther down but was missing the top earlier...
    When rode Otero and Tunnel the week before the closure, none of the Gambel oak had even leafed. There were no buds as far as I could tell. Gambel oak have very deep root systems and go dormant only under extended drought conditions. Ironically, they love fire, but they also make for good fuel because of the dense undergrowth and hard wood that burns very hot. If the dead leaves from last season are still hanging on, that acts like kindling as well and gets the branches burning. How are they looking down that way now?

    Just saw some buds and very sparse leafing on the gambel oak beginning up here off north 14...I think there's a way to go yet. Got another good storm up here this afternoon around 5pm.

    I think the short-lived monsoon last year is giving the FS pause this year, but the precipitation outlook for the next 30 days shows above-average likelihood for precipitation for all of New Mexico and most of southern Colorado. However, as mentioned above, we still have to dig ourselves out of an "exceptional" drought condition -- the worst category. Also, the temperature outlook for July-August-September is well above normal for all of New Mexico, so what rain we get will evaporate faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg2lk15 View Post
    So it may be "measurable" but "reasonable" fuel moisture content is what counts. Mud here on N14 but mud doesn't count.
    I'm well aware of what the FS goes by when checking conditions. Don't think I said anything about mud. We have gotten 1 1/2- 2 in. down this way over the last week or so. The ground, down and dead brush and vegitation are all holding way more moisture than before. Definatly not the same as it was before the clousure. Oak trees have leaves now. The moisture content is well improved over a week or so ago. WE have been in a drout for a while now. If we have to make up the rain defecit, That has not happened for a few years. So thats going to be a long wait. Like I said, the FS will open when they want. But the moisture content is not the same as before. Keep the rain falling so we can get this thing open. In the mean time, off to the Foot Hills.
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    Another very hard rain moving through right now. It is freaking coming down in buckets. Keep it coming. This one will get some water flowing in Otero.
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    I am sure Otero and all those trails will be washed out line none other, and it will STILL be glorious to ride them.

    Even South Footies had a whole new look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbike52 View Post
    Definatly not the same as it was before the clousure. Oak trees have leaves now. The moisture content is well improved over a week or so ago. WE have been in a drout for a while now. If we have to make up the rain defecit, That has not happened for a few years. So thats going to be a long wait.
    Good point. I was thinking the same thing but didn't post. Last night, reading this, I figured the moisture was not where it should be but has got to be substantially more than where we was weeks before the closing.

    Reading these posts makes me think...do these closures make less work for FS? Meaning less grounds to patrol? Just wondering... Does closing these trails save $$$?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Good point. I was thinking the same thing but didn't post. Last night, reading this, I figured the moisture was not where it should be but has got to be substantially more than where we was weeks before the closing.

    Reading these posts makes me think...do these closures make less work for FS? Meaning less grounds to patrol? Just wondering... Does closing these trails save $$$?
    It saves money on fire fighting.

    The forest gets closed by an algorithim. Its not a dude with his finger in the air.
    So they just take measurements punch em into a computer and there you go.


    I wouldnt doubt that the bar regarding moisture is higher to reopen then to close.

    Other wise they would close and reopen areas several times a yer as the moister values bounce up and down in the grey area.

    Its almost time. This year regaurding rain is starting off right. I got my fingers crossed to go camping next weekend and im trying not to drive far.


    My point is that the forrest service cant be talked into reopening stuff if the numbers dont add up they dont add up.. and why would the forrest service care about saving money. Thier part of the government?

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    If it makes you feel better, no we don't save money. Instead it diverts our resources to man checkpoints/barricades instead of completing projects that we've planned for this summer. The restrictions are primarily based on the numbers and managed by our fire personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post



    My point is that the forest service can't be talked into reopening stuff if the numbers don't add up they dont add up.. and why would the forest service care about saving money. Their part of the government?
    Don't think anyone ever thought they could be talked into opening. The fire guys sure don't hang out here. If the numbers say we're not there yet then thats the way it is. But for them to say the moisture level is the same as when the closure started, I had to call foul ball. The BIG rain yesterday should bring us closer to that reopening were all waiting for. From the look on the radar, it pretty much got the whole SRD. About 3/4in here. Awesome stuff.
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    I believe most of you know this but, it takes at least a couple weeks after it rains for the trees to absorb the water up into the branches where the moisture content is actually analyzed over a 48-72 hour period back in the lab. So it will be no less than 3 weeks after a good rain before the moisture content is raised to a minimum threshold for re-opening. It will be a couple more weeks.
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    Couldn't have said it better myself, fuel moisture is a key component in fire restrictions.. I'm hearing rumblings about the possibility of opening next week so lets keep our fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    Couldn't have said it better myself, fuel moisture is a key component in fire restrictions.. I'm hearing rumblings about the possibility of opening next week so lets keep our fingers crossed.
    Don't tease me like that. Come on more rain! With Pajarito open this weekend, I just might make it till then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    Couldn't have said it better myself, fuel moisture is a key component in fire restrictions.. I'm hearing rumblings about the possibility of opening next week so lets keep our fingers crossed.
    Yes!!!!

    I understand it's the vegetation that needs to be moist enough to help with the fire danger and I'm guessing you guys want everyone to finish off the rest of their cache of fireworks before you open. But I was wondering, I keep reading of people talking about numbers that allow for the mountain to open back up. I was under the assumption that there was a fire watch super-attendant that made the decisions. But after reading this thread, it seems like you guys stick a branch into a computer and uses some sort of algorithm it spits out a number? Can you explain to us what method is used for closer and re-opening?

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    I'm not a fire guy so Ill turn to the good ole interweb...

    San Bernardino National Forest - Home

    This is off the San Bernardino NF (mid-page) but has a pretty good explanation.

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    It's pretty simple. They will clip the last few inches of branches throughout the area in question and take them back to the lab and weigh them. They will then put them in a dehydrating oven for a few days to completely remove all moisture from the clippings and weigh them again. The difference in the weight tells them the ratio of moisture content for that particular species. If the ratio is above the acceptable level the forest will reopen. If the ratio is below, then the forest will remain closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6bobby9 View Post
    It's pretty simple. They will clip the last few inches of branches throughout the area in question and take them back to the lab and weigh them. They will then put them in a dehydrating oven for a few days to completely remove all moisture from the clippings and weigh them again. The difference in the weight tells them the ratio of moisture content for that particular species. If the ratio is above the acceptable level the forest will reopen. If the ratio is below, then the forest will remain closed.
    No no no. They eat the leaves and if the need to poop before they have to pee the forrest stays closed

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    I believe Fuglio...

    With 3/4" this evening, a total of 3.55" since July 1 up near Tinkertown.

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    LOL...good one, Fug!
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    Oh yeeeeaaaaahhhhh

    Quote Originally Posted by bg2lk15 View Post
    I believe Fuglio...

    With 3/4" this evening, a total of 3.55" since July 1 up near Tinkertown.
    From the NWS...let's hope most of this rain soaks in instead of just running off. I believe the NWS used the words "torrential rain" in their forecast yesterday.....

    THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF NORTH AND CENTRAL
    NEW MEXICO.

    .DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

    THUNDERSTORMS WILL INCREASE IN COVERAGE AND INTENSITY TONIGHT ACROSS NORTH CENTRAL AND NORTHEAST PORTIONS OF THE STATE AS AN UPPER LEVEL LOW APPROACHES FROM THE EAST AND ATMOSPHERIC MOISTURE SURGES OVER THE AREA. SOME STORMS WILL BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS BETWEEN 1 AND 2 INCHES...RESULTING IN FLASH FLOODING. THE MAIN FLASH FLOOD THREAT AREA INCLUDES THE SANGRE DE CRISTO MOUNTAINS...THE NORTHEAST HIGHLANDS AND THE RATON RIDGE...ESPECIALLY OVER BURN SCARS.

    .DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY

    THE FLASH FLOOD THREAT WILL CONTINUE ON MONDAY AND MAY EXPAND SOUTH AND WEST TO INCLUDE MUCH OF THE FORECAST AREA...ESPECIALLY THE BURN SCAR AREAS.

    THE FLASH FLOOD THREAT MAY CONTINUE ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY... BUT WILL LIKELY FOCUS FURTHER SOUTH AS THE UPPER LOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACTIVITY MOVES SOUTHWEST ACROSS THE STATE AND INTO NORTHERN MEXICO. OF PARTICULAR CONCERN ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR FLASH FLOODING ON THE WHITEWATER-BALDY AND LITTLE BEAR BURN SCARS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stabone33 View Post
    From the NWS...let's hope most of this rain soaks in instead of just running off. I believe the NWS used the words "torrential rain" in their forecast yesterday.....

    THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF NORTH AND CENTRAL
    NEW MEXICO.

    .DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

    THUNDERSTORMS WILL INCREASE IN COVERAGE AND INTENSITY TONIGHT ACROSS NORTH CENTRAL AND NORTHEAST PORTIONS OF THE STATE AS AN UPPER LEVEL LOW APPROACHES FROM THE EAST AND ATMOSPHERIC MOISTURE SURGES OVER THE AREA. SOME STORMS WILL BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS BETWEEN 1 AND 2 INCHES...RESULTING IN FLASH FLOODING. THE MAIN FLASH FLOOD THREAT AREA INCLUDES THE SANGRE DE CRISTO MOUNTAINS...THE NORTHEAST HIGHLANDS AND THE RATON RIDGE...ESPECIALLY OVER BURN SCARS.

    .DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY

    THE FLASH FLOOD THREAT WILL CONTINUE ON MONDAY AND MAY EXPAND SOUTH AND WEST TO INCLUDE MUCH OF THE FORECAST AREA...ESPECIALLY THE BURN SCAR AREAS.

    THE FLASH FLOOD THREAT MAY CONTINUE ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY... BUT WILL LIKELY FOCUS FURTHER SOUTH AS THE UPPER LOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACTIVITY MOVES SOUTHWEST ACROSS THE STATE AND INTO NORTHERN MEXICO. OF PARTICULAR CONCERN ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR FLASH FLOODING ON THE WHITEWATER-BALDY AND LITTLE BEAR BURN SCARS.
    And it has begun! And with some very big bangs. Curious what this thing is going to bring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbike52 View Post
    And it has begun! And with some very big bangs. Curious what this thing is going to bring.
    I'm really hopeful. Will be bringing the bike to work mid-week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    I'm really hopeful. Will be bringing the bike to work mid-week.
    Are the trails back open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElektricEye View Post
    Are the trails back open?
    Read couple of forums down...

    Sandia Ranger District Lifting all Fire Restrictions 8am July 16th (tomorrow)!

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    Awesome! Thanks!

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    Just rode Tunnel and Otero. Tunnel/Birdhouse are very dry. Otero on the other hand has water flowing and is quite muddy.

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    Does Otero area need some time to dry out today before riding? Anyone?
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    If it doesn't rain and there is some sun then later in the afternoon should be fine. Otherwise don't ride it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiRho View Post
    Does Otero area need some time to dry out today before riding? Anyone?
    Thx
    Otero is good to go.
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    Tunnel got missed yesterday but Otero got hit pretty hard. The further south and up from Otero the more rain we got. When I got back to my truck at Mars Ct. the water was flowing through the PL. Still fairly moist right now.
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