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    Rock Garden North of Pino Trailhead

    So, I rode the North Foothills this evening for the first time in a few weeks and was pissed to see that someone has filled in the rock garden just north of the Pino Trailhead with kitty litter. I have only lived here for a little over a year and I loved the challenge that rock garden provided me until I finally figured out how to tackle it. So sad to see that instead of being a man (or woman) that someone just decided to smooth out the trail instead of get better.

    I am contemplating going back and digging it back out again. Man this kind of think drives me nuts.

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    I was out there yesterday morn. Not sure what the trail number is, the rocky ridge that comes down along the wilderness boundary and meets the main north, south trail where you turn towards the tram has a bunch of spots where rocks were taken out of the trail. Looks fairly recent to me. What use to be a pretty chunky, fun down is starting to be smoothed out a little at a time. Never enough chunk! If you don't like rocks, ride a different trail.
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    And they wonder why rouge trails keep popping up......

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkldouglas View Post
    So, I rode the North Foothills this evening for the first time in a few weeks and was pissed to see that someone has filled in the rock garden just north of the Pino Trailhead with kitty litter. I have only lived here for a little over a year and I loved the challenge that rock garden provided me until I finally figured out how to tackle it. So sad to see that instead of being a man (or woman) that someone just decided to smooth out the trail instead of get better.

    I am contemplating going back and digging it back out again. Man this kind of think drives me nuts.
    Glad someone else noticed this. It does look like someone has shoveled a significant amount of sand or something into it. Strange though as it doesn't make it that much easier compared to the traction you lose with all the sand between the rocks.

    I couldn't imagine a jogger or hiker doing this so it must be one of "us", and if so they're pretty lame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkldouglas View Post
    So, I rode the North Foothills this evening for the first time in a few weeks and was pissed to see that someone has filled in the rock garden just north of the Pino Trailhead with kitty litter. I have only lived here for a little over a year and I loved the challenge that rock garden provided me until I finally figured out how to tackle it. So sad to see that instead of being a man (or woman) that someone just decided to smooth out the trail instead of get better.

    I am contemplating going back and digging it back out again. Man this kind of think drives me nuts.
    I am a long time lurker here, but have never posted before.
    I know where you are talking about, though. I was out a couple of weekends ago (Saturday 6/1) and ran into the culprits working there. It was the Open Space folks along with several people from "FOOMTB" (the one guy made a big deal of telling me about them while I tried to get past them). There were also 2-3 groups of people working on the trail mentioned by "mtbike52" removing rocks and such from that part of the trail.

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    Sucks......... guess we found the rock barrons.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyFlyGuy View Post
    I am a long time lurker here, but have never posted before.
    I know where you are talking about, though. I was out a couple of weekends ago (Saturday 6/1) and ran into the culprits working there. It was the Open Space folks along with several people from "FOOMTB" (the one guy made a big deal of telling me about them while I tried to get past them). There were also 2-3 groups of people working on the trail mentioned by "mtbike52" removing rocks and such from that part of the trail.
    disappointing but not surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WyFlyGuy View Post
    It was the Open Space folks along with several people from "FOOMTB" (the one guy made a big deal of telling me about them while I tried to get past them). There were also 2-3 groups of people working on the trail mentioned by "mtbike52" removing rocks and such from that part of the trail.
    Why the F are Open Space and Foo out dumbing down the trails? Go figure that its a mountain bike group doing this CRAP. Its not like there's not enough smooth trails out there. That really bothers me even more that it's the Open Space and Foo doing this and not just some idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Sucks......... guess we found the rock barrons.....
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    Open space hates tech and the city is scared of law suits. If i had to guess id say open space is making foo do it or close that section . I love FOO my beef is with open space. Time for me to get political the only way i know how... call 770Am and complain!

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    Can’t speak for the section just north of Pino, but I’ve been responsible for maintaining trail #230 (BOMB trail) within Elena for 10 years now and I can assure you that our group has never removed rocks or sanitized that trail. In fact, we have hauled in and placed close to 2 tons of rock on that trail. The majority are dug in and buried into the tread to help with erosion, add to the flow, and create some challenges.
    Anyone is welcome to help us work on the trail the first Saturday of June and the first Saturday of November every year.
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    does bomb stand for babes on mountain bikes... or believers on mountain bikes??

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    It's the latter.
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    Saw the same crime scene at Pino trail a few days ago. One presumes that is a result of 'Trail Maintenance Day' two Saturday's ago. Now I'm really pissed at myself for not going so I could have pitched a giga-b1tch at the whole idea. Unbelievable anyone would think that was OK. Also saw the dirt fill on 320. WTF? Wheelchair access? So now we have vandals on both sides of the law.
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    Why not just leave it alone?
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    Knowing that this was done in the name of "trail maintenance" actually pisses me off more than had it been some rogue pansy mountain biker. I don't understand why they felt the need to do that. Like it was said before, the traction is so bad now that it isn't like more people will be able to ride it.

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    Re: Rock Garden North of Pino Trailhead

    Hey guys. I'll do my best to represent Foo on this.

    To my knowledge, the majority of us were helping Kerry on Trails Day up at Oak Flats. I do know a few of our crew was helping Jim and AOS.

    I personally have not rode the foothills since then so I have not seen the issue. I will bring this up to the club and our president Claudia and try to figure out whats up. Ill also make an effort monday to get out there and take a look and some pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighSpeedChase View Post
    Hey guys. I'll do my best to represent Foo on this.

    To my knowledge, the majority of us were helping Kerry on Trails Day up at Oak Flats. I do know a few of our crew was helping Jim and AOS.

    I personally have not rode the foothills since then so I have not seen the issue. I will bring this up to the club and our president Claudia and try to figure out whats up. Ill also make an effort monday to get out there and take a look and some pics.

    Any issues, comments, or questions don't hesitate to get with us on our website or Facebook.

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    The following was sent to Ken this morning...

    This was done as an AOS Project during National Trails Days under the directive of AOS Rangers Josh Willis and Jim Sattler. Their intent was to establish both an "A" and "B" line through that section. The "A" Line was maintained to the left and the "B" Line through to the right.

    As for the trail tread conditions, we are under a severe drought and any Trail Building Maintenance Projects will require rain to bed down the treads. Be patient Ken and I'm sure the tread will resolve itself.
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    Also for more clarification I contacted FooMTB and this we the response I received.

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    This was done as an AOS Project during National Trails Days under the directive of AOS Rangers Josh Willis and Jim Sattler. Their intent was to establish both an "A" and "B" line through that section. The "A" Line was maintained to the left and the "B" Line through to the right.

    As for the trail tread conditions, we are under a severe drought and any Trail Building Maintenance Projects will require rain to bed down the treads. Be patient Ken and I'm sure the tread will resolve itself.
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    Sounds like this was AOS driven and we need to direct any complaints/comments toward them.

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    Looks like he beat me to it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkldouglas View Post
    Sounds like this was AOS driven and we need to direct any complaints/comments toward them.
    Yep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkldouglas View Post
    Looks like he beat me to it...
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    Thanks for chiming in doug! Trail building is thankless work, im sure you know this.

    Ive got nothing but respect for everyone at FOO.

    When we get finished with 3 bottles you can bet people will complain its too techy and they dont like it. Ohwell no one but the bandos showed up to scout it so i could care less what people that arnt willing to build a trail have to say about a trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Thanks for chiming in doug! Trail building is thankless work, im sure you know this.

    Ive got nothing but respect for everyone at FOO.

    When we get finished with 3 bottles you can bet people will complain its too techy and they dont like it. Ohwell no one but the bandos showed up to scout it so i could care less what people that arnt willing to build a trail have to say about a trail.
    Be careful casting such a blanket statement. While there are plenty of people that don't help maintain trails, people like myself didn't know about this change because we were up helping Kerry and Foo build the new connector trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkldouglas View Post
    Be careful casting such a blanket statement. While there are plenty of people that don't help maintain trails, people like myself didn't know about this change because we were up helping Kerry and Foo build the new connector trail.
    My point is that no trail makes everyone happy. Even if 100% of riders could agree on what they wanted, we would still need to ballance the needs of other users.

    In the case of the rock garden it looks like AOS wanted to make the trail safer. I dont agree with it but then again im not the one getting sued.

    Maybe i dont have a point.... oh well

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    That's the second time the subject of liability and suit have come up in this thread. I read the paper most days but maybe I missed something. I've never seen anything associating trail maintenance with liability. Are we assuming something that was not stated? Also, the fact that it was AOS's idea doesn't let anyone off the hook. If FOO participated without protest, shame on them. And shame on me for 1) not making time to be there and 2) finding excuses not to join IMBA/FOO. .. OK, I just fixed the second part by joining online. Pretty painful for a cheap bastard like me... But it was cheaper that the last derailleur I bought.

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    Kerry put it out there for weeks, if not months. No one chimed in to help develop the new 3Bs. Except the lowly wretched bandos.

    I too am disappointed AOS and whoever else was involved would need to scrub the small section of trail. I think thats the only semi-challenging, legal section in all of NFH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl View Post
    I too am disappointed AOS and whoever else was involved would need to scrub the small section of trail. I think thats the only semi-challenging, legal section in all of NFH.
    Don't be too disappointed Aaron. If some of you big strong Bando's would get your act together, you might be able to help out on the rock ramp roll up onto that boulder that's sitting there. Josh and Jim have approved doing something with it. That's why the rocks are still there.

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    The tech left the Elena a decade ago. I believe in ten years it will be all smooth and 10 feet wide. It's already happened to 50% of the trail. It's only a matter of time.
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    Not Interested. I think Im washing my hair that day.
    you guys can have the NFH. plant your flag.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Don't be too disappointed Aaron. If some of you big strong Bando's would get your act together, you might be able to help out on the rock ramp roll up onto that boulder that's sitting there. Josh and Jim have approved doing something with it. That's why the rocks are still there.

    Like I said, "A" line to the left, "B" line to the right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Don't be too disappointed Aaron. If some of you big strong Bando's would get your act together, you might be able to help out on the rock ramp roll up onto that boulder that's sitting there. Josh and Jim have approved doing something with it. That's why the rocks are still there.

    Like I said, "A" line to the left, "B" line to the right!
    Take a pic of where it is and it will get done or just say where it is and what you want. I dontbwash my hair.. or much else

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    I know of this rock. Its to the far left of the obstacle if you are approaching from pino trailhead. A few rocks have been stacked up but there is a second step that you have to make it up and ends up acting as the perfect trap for my LWB 29er.

    Id be up for helping if its taking place this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6bobby9 View Post
    The tech left the Elena a decade ago. I believe in ten years it will be all smooth and 10 feet wide. It's already happened to 50% of the trail. It's only a matter of time.
    And that time comes all the sooner if no one gives a damn. To all those who have given up on the foothills, thank you for taking care of the over-crowding. To those still riding there, make your voice heard.

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    Whatever you fellas come up with, NFH will still be for night rides, snow days and closures. Its too far gone. Why am I complaining? what else is the NM forum good for during fire season...

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    Had to check this out...

    My wife (who aspires to one day have and use tech skills ) was disappointed to the see the pathway filled in. She walks that section regularly, but its on her list of things to be able to ride over one day. I guess yesterday was that day, as the gravel made it super easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Don't be too disappointed Aaron. If some of you big strong Bando's would get your act together, you might be able to help out on the rock ramp roll up onto that boulder that's sitting there. Josh and Jim have approved doing something with it. That's why the rocks are still there.

    Like I said, "A" line to the left, "B" line to the right!
    This is a "rock-ramp roll up" ?



    Guess you could remove the cheater rocks, at least that will make it a challenge. Or bring in a bobcat and just remove/relocate the boulder, in another step towards a tech-free foothills - which is (I'm guessing) the overall goal.

    Best option? Just leave it alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justamember View Post
    Was up there last night with the kiddo (9y/o).

    It WAS on his bucket list, too! Freakin' trail ferries. I may have actually caught one on camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl View Post
    Whatever you fellas come up with, NFH will still be for night rides, snow days and closures. Its too far gone. Why am I complaining? what else is the NM forum good for during fire season...
    This.

    It was good while it lasted Tyrbyter. Its not that I don't care its just not repairable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6bobby9 View Post
    This.

    It was good while it lasted Tyrbyter. Its not that I don't care its just not repairable.

    Yea it is... close all existing trails and build a new system

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    That would definitely be easier.
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    I veiw the NFH like the bosque... i wouldnt call the nfh ruined its just not for me... lots of people like it just the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post



    This is a "rock-ramp roll up" ?



    .
    Yep, that's the rock.....and wow! it looks like they added even more filler since i was last there.


    What about 230? I saw somewhere that sport systems maintains this trail.
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    nope, not us.
    We like tech stuff over here at SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    nope, not us.
    We like tech stuff over here at SS.
    Im with you on that one. However as I remember there is a sign posted on 230 with SS on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justamember View Post
    I like it for what it is...EASY!

    The bosque might make for a sweet night ride. When you can down by barrelas ,the bums sleeping near the river give it a special kind of creepy... parts of the trail are tight and twisty which would be lots of fun at night under the cover of trees. Plus the ground is actually made of dirt so its much faster... not everything has to be techy.... just depends on the mood and what suits you.

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    Bums/Burms. All the same...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justamember View Post
    LOL! I noticed a bunch of new side trails in the NFH last night. Where do they lead? Right to the gates of some of those multi-million dollar shacks that have slowly and quietly inched their way closer to the foot of the mountain...many of them signed! I think you will find it very difficult to compete with these people. You want tech? You gotta go to the ghetto (AKA South FooHills), yo!

    Come to think of it, MTB used to be a ghetto sport. I kinda liked it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    The bosque might make for a sweet night ride. When you can down by barrelas ,the bums sleeping near the river give it a special kind of creepy... parts of the trail are tight and twisty which would be lots of fun at night under the cover of trees. Plus the ground is actually made of dirt so its much faster... not everything has to be techy.... just depends on the mood and what suits you.
    Good point. Anyone else riding White Mesa in the full moon Saturday? It can be pretty techy in the dark if you fall in one of the holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justamember View Post
    Please elaborate. I'm not seeing the connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    When we get finished with 3 bottles you can bet people will complain its too techy and they dont like it. Ohwell no one but the bandos showed up to scout it so i could care less what people that arnt willing to build a trail have to say about a trail.
    Minor correction Fuglio: If you'll remember, the scouting date was moved to the right because of something called mud. I had plans to be there (even though I'm too chicken-hearted to ride the bando lines) but the date changed and my wife had other plans for me (which were not exactly my plans). I'm sure you have to rank your priorities the same way before you even consider one of your all-night extravaganzas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg2lk15 View Post
    Minor correction Fuglio: If you'll remember, the scouting date was moved to the right because of something called mud. I had plans to be there (even though I'm too chicken-hearted to ride the bando lines) but the date changed and my wife had other plans for me (which were not exactly my plans). I'm sure you have to rank your priorities the same way before you even consider one of your all-night extravaganzas...

    No explanation needed. Your a huge asset to any trail building project.

    Do you know where the tech roller doug was talking about building earlier in the thread?(post 28)

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    Last Post: 05-26-2011, 08:59 AM

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