NM Fat Bikes?

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  • 12-05-2012
    MTBNate
    NM Fat Bikes?
    I've been following this guy's build and it's got me thinking about maybe owning one.
    :o

    Any of you NM riders have one? What's your build and what parts would you recommend/not recommend?

    Moonlander | Bikes | Surly Bikes
  • 12-05-2012
    Fuglio
    They make sence if you allready have 4 other bikes
  • 12-05-2012
    TBarnaby
    I don't own one, but I test rode a Mukluk from The Kickstand earlier this year (just a quick NFH loop). It was a real blast to ride to say the least. I don't think I would want to climb Mt Taylor on it, but for a fun go over everything monster truck-like bike it fit the bill really well.
  • 12-05-2012
    MTBNate
    I've got 3, so I'm close.

    I saw the one at Kickstand, but I need a L/XL frame.
  • 12-05-2012
    Fuglio
    They look like alot of fun, but I'd rather have a friend buy one. Look like somthing youd ride 6 times a year maybe 10 rides the first year.
  • 12-05-2012
    warimono
    Well, from the way things are going so far, it's not like you would need a fat bike this winter.
    They do look fun though. I want another better single speed or a fat bike.
  • 12-05-2012
    Calhoun
    I see one at work sometimes. Blacksheep fatbike with a truss fork, it is a pretty sweet bike.
  • 12-05-2012
    MTBNate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    I see one at work sometimes. Blacksheep fatbike with a truss fork, it is a pretty sweet bike.

    While not a fat bike, my buddy just for a Black Sheep built with a truss fork - he loves it.

  • 12-05-2012
    Fuglio
    So its settled. Mtbnate and calhoun will go halfers on a moon lander and let me ride it when ever i want.

    Im glad we had this conversation im in a much better place
  • 12-06-2012
    MTBNate
  • 12-08-2012
    C Cow
    Mystical Powers
    I got to see this ride at Interbike, it was difficult to walk away, amazing thoughts of impossible descents, (and difficult climbs).


    Moo
  • 12-08-2012
    bg2lk15
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    I see one at work sometimes. Blacksheep fatbike with a truss fork, it is a pretty sweet bike.

    I've seen one at work too, maybe the same one. I think they are about $8k so if I had one I wouldn't park it outside a building. Might keep it in my bedroom instead of the garage too.
  • 12-09-2012
    MTBNate
    Maybe, if you've been a bad kid all year, Krampus will bring you something:

    http://youtu.be/_3HHldATIno
  • 12-10-2012
    Joshua_B
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    NM Fatbike
    I've had mine about year.
  • 01-02-2013
    Stopbreakindown
    Useful for about any terrain. Ride washes, cattle trails, single track and snow.

  • 01-02-2013
    elblat
    Lots of terrain in NM for my new moonie. Love it!

    They are big, I went with one frame size smaller than a XC bike and it feels real good.

    Recommend low gears and a bigger disc in the front.

    The tires are bigger around than 29ers, so you are very stable at low speeds and the grip lets you go up extremely steep and loose stuff but pedal effort is increased. I have a 9er rear cassette and the 20-33 rings which puts the pedal effort (total gear ratio) back to a typical 9-speed 26er.

    It goes very fast downhill and the 160mm front disc gets hot so I went up to 185.

    The stock BFLs have tons of grip and roll easy but in serious snow you might want Bud&Lou.
  • 01-02-2013
    MTBNate
    Man... I so want one of these..
  • 01-02-2013
    MTBNate
    at least I think I do...

    :D
  • 01-03-2013
    robselina
    Nate - I'll be able to comment pretty soon. Took the plunge last month and put a deposit down on a moonlander. I get to pick it up Saturday :D

    FWIW, here's how I've rationalized the build. I mostly wanted something that would be useful for exploring arroyos and less used trials that are in poor condition. Fat bike traction sounded like a good idea.

    Opted for Bud/Lou tire combo since I figure more traction the better. Not terribly worried about weight or being slow, mostly just want to stay on the bike! Went tubeless since it's the only want to deal with mesquite and the like - especially with this much rubber on the ground.

    On the same note, I wanted the lowest gearing possible for steeper climbs, so switched to the 20/33 front MWOD chain rings and the 29er 9-speed cassette with the 12-36T sprockets. Actually have 38T and 13T sprockets on order, so I'll shift the range a little lower still on the cassette (ditch the 12T and 14T sprockets, add the 38T and 13T instead).

    Other than that, switched out the rotors for 203/185 combo since that's what I'm used to and couldn't see 160mm rotors holding up in the mountains.

    I'll let you know what I think of it in a couple of weeks.

    FYI - There's a guy working for the winter at 2WD on Central who toured down from up north on his fat bike for the season. Haven't spoken to him yet but he could be a good resource. Jeff's been great working with me on my build.

    Rob
  • 01-05-2013
    robselina
    first ride on the new moonie at white mesa:





  • 01-05-2013
    MTBNate
    Man... I really would like to demo something like that

    What shop did you get it built up?
  • 01-05-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    Man... I really would like to demo something like that

    What shop did you get it built up?

    Next time I'm riding up near ABQ (I'm from Socorro) I'll let you know.

    Two Wheel Drive on Central built it for me. Very happy with the whole experience.

    BTW - the bike is everything I expected and more. What I hadn't anticipated is how much fun it is for downhill or to huck around. It's so damn stable that the sucker is fast with a little gravity assist!
  • 01-05-2013
    MTBNate
    What was the approx cost of the build (if you dont mind me asking)?
  • 01-05-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    What was the approx cost of the build (if you dont mind me asking)?

    Retail / stock is $2450 for a 2013. Out the door this one was about $2800.
  • 01-05-2013
    MTBNate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by robselina View Post
    Retail / stock is $2450 for a 2013. Out the door this one was about $2800.

    That's about what I was thinking..

    I'd have to heavily modify my bike racks, or buy a pickup truck to haul it!

    :cryin:

    I'll buy ya a couuple rounds at an ABQ brewery of your choice for demo sometime.

    :D
  • 01-05-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    I'd have to heavily modify my bike racks, or buy a pickup truck to haul it!
    :cryin:

    What kind of racks?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    I'll buy ya a couuple rounds at an ABQ brewery of your choice for demo sometime.

    :D

    It's a deal :thumbsup:
  • 01-05-2013
    MTBNate
    I have a Thule T2
  • 01-06-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    I have a Thule T2

    Looks like people have done it before.



    Maybe remove the hardware that cradles the front wheel and straps the back one in. Bolt on a piece of aluminum channel or PVC to cradle the tires? Check out these links:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/thu...es-757474.html
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/fat...ml#post9018232
  • 01-06-2013
    rpinata
    Sweet ride, Rob.
    I don't need one, but man, I want one. That bag in the middle is ultra-cool. Imagine what you could pack in there.:thumbsup:
  • 01-06-2013
    MTBNate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rpinata View Post
    Sweet ride, Rob.
    I don't need one, but man, I want one. That bag in the middle is ultra-cool. Imagine what you could pack in there.:thumbsup:

    Could carry enough beer & tequila to get a certain local mtb group thru a whole day of riding, almost.


    :D
  • 01-06-2013
    MTBNate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by robselina View Post
    first ride on the new moonie at white mesa:






    Nice air pic..


    You should check out how "flickable" these bikes can be:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/fat...in-794662.html
  • 01-06-2013
    Fuglio
  • 01-06-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rpinata View Post
    That bag in the middle is ultra-cool. Imagine what you could pack in there.:thumbsup:

    It has a nice little internal divider, and the back cavity seems to fit three 1-pint cans nice and secure :D
  • 01-06-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    Nice air pic..

    You should check out how "flickable" these bikes can be:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/fat...in-794662.html

    Thanks, that's one of my favorite threads on MTBR right now :thumbsup:
  • 01-11-2013
    MTBNate
    I've been doing some research & looking at my options and came across this bike from a shop that I've done business with in the past (bought a couple of Titus Exogrid 29rs from Ben). I'm looking for a geared Moonlander but thought I'd drop a pic and link here just in case someone might be interested in it:

    Milltown Cycles: Drop bar SS MTB Pugsley.

    $1950
  • 01-11-2013
    bg2lk15
    I've been debating too: Fatty or studded tires. Love the colors and the steel but the drop bars gotta go.
  • 01-12-2013
    bg2lk15
    Amazing, truly all-terrain. I see there is even a Bando option...
    Surly Pugsley....(9min edit) - YouTube
  • 01-12-2013
    MTBNate
    Got to sample a Surly Necromancer at TwoWheel Dr this morning. It was one size too small for me, but I was able to get the feel of the fatties.

    I drank the kool-aid and I'm hooked.
  • 01-12-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    I drank the kool-aid and I'm hooked.

    :thumbsup:
  • 01-12-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bg2lk15 View Post
    Amazing, truly all-terrain.

    Exactly.

    It's easy to think of them as niche bikes, but they really are very versatile.
  • 01-13-2013
    MTBNate
    Came across these fatties down in southern NM:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/9925483-post54.html
  • 01-13-2013
    withholding
    I have a pugsley surly, have had it since September. It has made me a much stronger and happier rider!
    And it's only been in the snow twice.
  • 01-13-2013
    Stopbreakindown
    Havin a blast out here just outside of Gallup. We have a two mile loop out the back door on a ridge and it is fun as all get out to be the first one out on some freshies. Blasting through the drifts brings a smile from ear to ear.
  • 01-13-2013
    MTBNate
    I can't wait to join the fat bikes culture.. I've located a Moonlander in my size and adding a Bud/Lou tire combo and bigger rotors. I'll be keeping the stock Big Fat Larrys as backups tires.
  • 01-13-2013
    MTBNate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    Havin a blast out here just outside of Gallup. We have a two mile loop out the back door on a ridge and it is fun as all get out to be the first one out on some freshies. Blasting through the drifts brings a smile from ear to ear.

    Thanks for the response.. any pix?
  • 01-13-2013
    wadester
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    Any of you NM riders have a fatbike? What's your build and what parts would you recommend/not recommend?

    Let's see - here in Las Cruces, I've got 2 fatbikes;

    A Fatback, 3x9 gears, 100mm width rims, a Lefty, and SkinnyLarry rear/BigFatLarry front tires.


    And a Moonlander, S3X 3spd fixed hub, MWOD crankset/rings, 100mm rims, BFL front, Lou rear (not in pic)


    I spec'ed my Fatback out for maximum flotation - something to cruise arroyos with was the plan. That got me 100mm rims back before you could get bigger than 3.7 tires, but it helped anyways. My riding buddy got a Pugsley (complete), and I could out ride him in the soft stuff when the only difference was 100 vs 65mm rims. Then I got my hands on BigFat Larry! This tire will fit the back of the Fatback on the 100mm rim - but you're gonna kiss your first three cogs of the cassette goodbye with a standard crank in granny gear.

    Then I built the Moonlander - then my buddy bought a Moonlander (complete). It is sooooooo nice to have the fattest tires on the fattest rims. I still cruise the arroyos on the Fatback when I'm exploring, or just want more gears - but the Moonie is easier to ride except for the lack of super low gears.

    I recently picked up a Lou (4.8" knobby!) for the Moonie, and I have to say it is a better tire than the BFL. Climbing hills while standing is now noticeably easier, and even arroyo cruise is a bit easier - I must have been slipping the tire more than I thought.

    So - you already got the bug. You rode a fatbike and loved it. My experience says get the fattest rims and tires you can. Right now, that's a Moonlander. BFL's are good, but Lou is better - gonna try a Bud front when I can. Also going to put either a Nate or a Lou on the Fatback. That may require offset double crankset rather than a triple.

    I can go into more detail if you're planning on building up a frameset, but that's the basics.
  • 01-13-2013
    wadester
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    Oh yeah. Me and the Fatback in our natural environment:
  • 01-13-2013
    MTBNate
    I've got a line on a brand new complete Moonlander with a couple mods.

    Can't wait to get it here!

    Thanks for jumping in this thread with your info & pix. Awesome rigs ya got.
  • 01-14-2013
    MTBNate
    Question:
    Are you guys running your tires tubless with Stans/etc?
  • 01-14-2013
    Stopbreakindown
    Yep, split tube method on the large marge rims. Just set up a friends clownshoes tubeless yesterday. Remove tire/toob >
    lay down gorilla tape (took three wraps, outside, outside, middle) >
    punch hole for stem >
    replace toob and tire>
    air up to 30psi and let sit so the adhesive adheres to the rim strip/rim >
    remove toob >
    install presta core >
    add 5-6 scoops of stan's >
    wrap a cinch strap all the way around the center of the tire and tighten >
    air up with a compressor to seat the bead @ 25psi >
    let sit over night >
    drop pressure >
    ride.
  • 01-14-2013
    MTBNate
    Will it negate the warranty on the rims (should a problem occur later)?
  • 01-14-2013
    wadester
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    I've got a line on a brand new complete Moonlander with a couple mods.

    Can't wait to get it here!


    Excellent! What mods are you getting? My buddy couldn't get used to the microshift thumbies, went SRAM triggers&new rear derailer. I personally would pony up for the 20t granny and/or a 12-36 cassette.
  • 01-14-2013
    wadester
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    Question:
    Are you guys running your tires tubless with Stans/etc?

    All of my rims (currently) are USChoppers 100's - which do not have a retainer lip next to the bead seat. With tubes, I could see deflection/movement at the bead seat when running low pressures (6-8 psi) and didn't think that tubeless would stay put.

    The newer single-wall Surly rims have that retainer lip, so a better chance of success. I have seen many on the fatbike forum that are running tubeless - both ghetto/split tube and just tape, usually with foam fillers in the middle of the rim - supposed to make it easier to get the tire to seat initially (less clearance around the bead when starting).

    I'm still running tubes - with DIY sealant in them - but it's not as good as full tubeless. As soon as the pressure drops below a certain point, the tube moves relative to the tire - and then the hole won't seal. Gotta patch/replace.

    Also, I run motorcycle tubes. More readily available than Surly Toobs. 21x3.25-3.50 works nice - and gets you a schrader valve if you're into that.

    I'm slowly working towards an inflatable beadlock as an option, but since it's all hand built there are still issues to work out. The idea is basically a small high pressure tire inside the large low pressure tire - keeps high pressure force against the beads, but lets you run the big tire at whatever pressure. Also can work as a run-flat system. For motorcycles, this is available as Neutech TuBliss:
  • 01-14-2013
    elblat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    Question:
    Are you guys running your tires tubless with Stans/etc?

    Yes, 2WD set it up for me and it's been great down to 4.5PSI no burps yet.
  • 01-14-2013
    elblat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    Excellent! What mods are you getting? My buddy couldn't get used to the microshift thumbies, went SRAM triggers&new rear derailer. I personally would pony up for the 20t granny and/or a 12-36 cassette.

    At first I thought the microshifts were kinda cool but they never did work well for me on the rear. So I put some hand-me-down cheapo shifters on and they work better. When those get broke it'll be SRAM for sure.

    I got the 20-33T rings but eventually tried the original 36 on the front to get 20-36T and it shifts fine! Best of both worlds.
  • 01-14-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    Question:
    Are you guys running your tires tubless with Stans/etc?

    Yup! I consider it very necessary out here. I get a puncture on just about every trail ride, but not a flat thanks to Stans.

    Jeff @ 2WD was kind enough to set mine up for me so I rode out of the shop this way, but here's the quick description:

    -foam lay-up in the center of the rim.
    - 24" split tube, laid over the rim/bead interface zone.
    (he used a schrader tube and drilled out the clownshoe. I think this is a worthwhile step since schraders are much easier to add stans thru)
    - inflate the tire, trim off the excess tube, and add sealant. I think I'm running around 4-6 oz at present.

    FYI - I'm running around on 5.5psi for low-speed situations like snow and around 6.5psi for more chunky single track w/o any burping or similar issues.
  • 01-14-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    Excellent! What mods are you getting? My buddy couldn't get used to the microshift thumbies, went SRAM triggers&new rear derailer. I personally would pony up for the 20t granny and/or a 12-36 cassette.

    The 20T and 12-36 are a nice combo. There are a few situations I'd like to go a little lower though, so I'm going 13-38 pretty soon.

    I think Elblat's 20T / 36T combo would seem to be the best of both worlds.

    As for the microshift thumbies, they are a bit of a PITA. I'm holding out on swapping them, trying to convince myself that it's just a setup problem, but they tend to drift too much on their own and inevitably cause the chain to skip after holding a gear for a while....
  • 01-14-2013
    MTBNate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by robselina View Post
    The 20T and 12-36 are a nice combo. There are a few situations I'd like to go a little lower though, so I'm going 13-38 pretty soon.

    Is the XT rear hub beefy enough to handle that low of gearing?

    The guy working my order seemed to be concerned about it when I mentioned those kinda gears ratios.
  • 01-14-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    Is the XT rear hub beefy enough to handle that low of gearing?

    The guy working my order seemed to be concerned about it when I mentioned those kinda gears ratios.

    So far so good. I've snapped the SRAM 971 chain, but no issues with the freehub. (The chain had more to do with the microshifts drifting I think, rather than just torque. )

    The 38T had me a little concerned since it's detached from the main cassette body and could cut into the freehub since the load isn't well distributed. However, Elblat pointed out that the freehub body on the XT hub is steel, not AL, so I feel better about trying it.

    The other way of looking at it is that we've got that fancy offset front fork on the moonie this year, so put your SS cog on the front and you're covered if the freehub explodes. :skep:
  • 01-14-2013
    Joshua_B
    I also have mine set-up toob-less! I used gorilla tape and stans worked like a charm I can run over anything now. Works great!
  • 01-14-2013
    MTBNate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by robselina View Post

    The other way of looking at it is that we've got that fancy offset front fork on the moonie this year, so put your SS cog on the front and you're covered if the freehub explodes. :skep:

    I'm sticking with a symmetrical fork.
  • 01-14-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wadester View Post
    Oh yeah. Me and the Fatback in our natural environment:

    Sweet rides! :thumbsup:
  • 01-14-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    I'm sticking with a symmetrical fork.

    Gotcha. Didn't click that it had a symetrical fork in the photo. It on it's way yet?
    If so, congrats! :D
  • 01-29-2013
    MTBNate
    I'm on the verge of getting this bike ordered.

    I think I am going to leave the gearing alone for now, until I can spend some time riding it and figure out what would work best for me.

    I am going to ditch the BB7's though... and add some Shimano SLX hydros paired to Ashima 185/160 f/r rotors. Other than that I will leave the bike stock and make mods as I get saddle time in.

    I am in contact with a bike shop that's running a 10% off all in-stock fat bikes sale (Surly Necromancers & Moonlanders and Salsa Beargrease, Mukluk 2's & 3's). If you are interested in contacting them, drop me a PM and I'll send you the owner's contact info.
  • 01-29-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MTBNate View Post
    I'm on the verge of getting this bike ordered.

    :thumbsup:

    You'll dig it.
  • 01-29-2013
    MTBNate
    I'll also spring for the Bud/Lou combo with the stock tires as back ups.
  • 01-29-2013
    Fuglio
    Good idea upgrading the brakes.... but deore is just as good .. the xt is the first ones made of metal
  • 01-29-2013
    Fuglio
    Shimano Deore M596 Disc Brake | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com just over a hundred for front and rear just need some rotors
  • 01-29-2013
    MTBNate
    I'm getting a really good deal on the SLX - I really want to put Hope M4's since that's what I have on my other bikes, but... $pendy.
  • 01-31-2013
    MTBNate
    Pretty cool

    Winter Mountain Games to Host Winter Mountain Bike National Championships | Mountain Bike Review

    Quote:

    The second annual Winter Mountain Games is taking place during Feb 8-11 in Vail Colorado. They have a slew of outdoor events going on, including biking, and this is the inaugural year for the X-Country mountain bike race (a.k.a. Fat Bikes), so you can be the first crowned Winter Mountain Bike National Champion.
  • 02-01-2013
    robselina
    yea, definitely neat!
  • 02-02-2013
    MTBNate
    Jeff at ABQ's Two Wheel Drive's tubeless setup:

    Tubeless Moonlander | gypsy by trade
  • 02-02-2013
    MTBNate
    NM Fat Bikes?
    Speaking of Two Wheel Drive; they have fat bikes in stock!


  • 02-07-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just4Pix View Post
    What are some of the maintenance issues associated with "FatBikes?"

    I have yet to find anything fat specific. Anything in particular you're curious about?
  • 02-07-2013
    robselina
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just4Pix View Post
    Just wondering how components hold up to persistent moisture...

    Here in NM it seems to be a non-issue, but judging by the experience of people in colder/wetter climates, BB wear is often an issue as is chain wear. KMC Titanium Nitride chains seem popular as do BB upgrades to the usual suspects (hope, chris king, etc). Freehubs only seem to be a problem if they have aluminum bodies, which don't hold up as well to the extra torque they are put under. Forks, brakes, headsets and wheel bearings don't appear to have higher wear than other bikes.

    This is all 2nd hand info though, I haven't had mine long enough to get a good feel for the increased wear and tear (if any).
  • 02-11-2013
    Joshua_B
    At times I wish we had some persistant moisture here in New Mexico to worry about. I have yet to find an extra wear on my Fatbike. The sidewalls of my tires are starting to show wear. But are still going strong. Once you get a Fatbike you'll always have one. They are so fun to ride in any condition. You can't help but smile and ride!
  • 02-11-2013
    MTBNate
    I saw a couple nice Black Sheep fat bikes that belong to so peeps with Back of the Pack Racing at Il Vic a while back:


    Back of the Pack Racing

    Back of the Pack Racing | Facebook
  • 02-11-2013
    Fuglio
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just4Pix View Post
    What are some of the maintenance issues associated with "FatBikes?"


    Atherosclerosis

    Atherosclerosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • 03-27-2013
    MTBNate
  • 03-27-2013
    Fuglio
    with dirt jumper geo..... looks like they just extended the chain stays so not to need a differnt crank set...... time for deunken laps inside wally world
  • 03-27-2013
    MTBNate
  • 03-28-2013
    cabra cadabra
    My favorite quote from the linked threads:
    "Best thing to happen for the homeless/DUI population of Anchorage in a long time."

    Fuglio stole my comment. I want to see this DJing or on a pumptrack.
  • 03-28-2013
    Fuglio
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cabra cadabra View Post
    My favorite quote from the linked threads:
    "Best thing to happen for the homeless/DUI population of Anchorage in a long time."

    Fuglio stole my comment. I want to see this DJing or on a pumptrack.

    It will work just slam the seat and put an electric motor on it
  • 03-28-2013
    cabra cadabra
    touche Fuglio, nicely played. i want some vid from ABQNVBP.
  • 04-10-2013
    vanhellion
    Ha, that thing is awesome.

    See Rob? Now I can join the club without breaking my bank account. :cool: