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    IMBA Conference (contrary viewpoint)

    I just looked over the Agenda for the IMBA conference.. At the risk of being negative, my first reaction is "this is hypocrisy".. From the IMBA mission statement, shared trails, conservation and public land access are keywords.

    So for the main ride, IMBA is promoting shuttling up Hyde Park Rd to enable riders to bomb downhill on the busiest trail in Santa Fe during near peak foliage season?? Is that conservation.. driving bikes up Hyde Park Rd? Is this genuine trail sharing, a pack of riders flying down a busy trail full of hikers?? Who will really be yielding the right of way under this scenario?

    Then IMBA cancels the Los Alamos ride due to lack of participants... Seriously?.. Why would IMBA want to observe and promote reconstructed trails that exemplify recovery and sustainable design, post-devastating fire damage completed by an active volunteer bike group (Tuffriders) who donate hundreds of hours repairing trails, promoting biking and safety when they can go observe 5 simple miles of trail in the Galisteo Basin built under the auspices of sustainable shared trail concept when in reality, the Galisteo trails were built as a ploy by land developers to convert a historic ranch into a housing development in a location that has no sustainable drinking water?? The near bankrupt development still have not secured the water rights to move forward. The latest ploy was to purchase Chama River diversion water and pump/pipe the water via Eldorado. Let me get this straight, energy intensive pumping of water that originates in Colorado is sustainable??

    Access to public lands is obviously a critical component of IMBA mission statement, yet I see no presentations/participation w the USFS/BLM on the agenda. Can this be true? What is the role of the USFS in terms of bike access, they published a land use document this year? How does this document impact mtn biking on forest lands? Bikers lost 2 amazing trail networks to fire last summer? How is the recovery coming along? What about the trail access restrictions put in place this year in Taos, was this a fair exchange? I figured IMBA would be promoting the USFS as a partner but I dont see any such content on teh Agenda...

    Disclaimer, this contrarian viewpoint was triggered by a quick glance of the IMBA conference Agenda. No doubt, IMBA serves an important purpose and provides real benefit to bikers....... but not to say, they should be immune to fair criticism...

    In the spirit of political debate...

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    Saw this sign posted yesterday along with a notice that 135+ riders would be riding down the trail on Saturday:

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    I'm going to this and maybe I'll be the only USFS employee there. In fairness to IMBA, I was asked to put in a proposal for presentation but truthfully, I didn't see any point in doing so...I've not seen the likes of IMBA around here in my two years on the district and while I support the organization and generally like hearing about success stories and such, I've got too many other things going on to see it worth my while.

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    I think its a fund raising event . Not a .... whatever else. So what ever helps to rais money thats what they will do. Other stuff can wait for other days.

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    They are a non-profit so fundraising is always a component to their events. I do believe IMBA does do a lot of work trying to protect mtn biking access on the national level like trying to move the National Park Service to allow mtn biking but maybe their local/grassroots focus has deteriorated...or is just stretched really thin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    They are a non-profit so fundraising is always a component to their events. I do believe IMBA does do a lot of work trying to protect mtn biking access on the national level like trying to move the National Park Service to allow mtn biking but maybe their local/grassroots focus has deteriorated...or is just stretched really thin?
    IMBA seems to be more popular in other parts of the country (or on a national level) but I'm not sure where exactly. I've been involved with mtb'ing in NM, La, Arkansas and their presence was very, very tiny. An international conference with only 350 conference registrants, seems, well, small...


    On the other hand, while there is a huge number of mtb'ers in ABQ, seems organizing them into a cohesive organization is more difficult than...

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    Agreed. From my time managing trails in VA (5 years) and TN (1 year), I never saw IMBA. However, SORBA was really active farther south, they built tons of trail and even own a couple of trailbuilding machines. As I've said before, IMBA is only as good as their local chapter....they can help but it's the folks at the local level that really move stuff. From my experience, successful clubs always have one or two stalwarts to lead the charge.

    Of course mountain bikers are always busy mountain biking....

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    Good points. IMBA certainly has some great successes... the IMBA Subaru trail team is a great resource and as Skerry00 noted, if there is a strong local group, the IMBA trail team can provide onsite education in sustainable trail design... IMBA was also integral in getting trail access re-established after years of closures in Boulder CO, as well as this new trail network open in Boulder CO... They have been very effective in the Boulder area over the years, for some reason that escapes me.

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    We don't need no stinking trail team..... We know how to build trail, we just need more folks to come out and do it and/or support it through other means (be it food, schwag, etc. etc.). In the southeast, SORBA has been so successful because there's a culture of giving back among a large number of riders. I can't tell you how many times I see the same folks out riding during our workdays and they'd never think about giving up just one day a year (which would help so much). That's not to say there hasn't been some great turn-outs this year, much appreciated!!

    Maybe we need to get IMBA to move to Alb and then we'll see some resources?

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    What the hell is a "real" cyclist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beastmaster View Post
    REALLY! 135 "riders" coming from the ski basin lower parking lot, down the upper Winsor, through the middle Winsor/Bear Wallow, up the Chamisa, over the Juan (aka Dragon Back) to Nun's Corner on a Saturday and no one finds that completely stupid! F****** Crazy!!!
    Riding in huge groups like this will inflame the hikers, horseback riders, and other (read: real) cyclists!
    The IMBA riders will be broken into groups of 12-15 with a designated (local) leader and sweep. All leaders have taken part in meetings going over the expected respectful trail etiquette for the ride and how to handle potential conflicts with other users. There will be trail ambassadors at every trail intersection, letting other users know about the event, as well as at all the trail heads. It's not going to be 135 riders bombing down Winsor en masse. It's going to be 2-3hrs ride time, with only about 20 minutes of that from Pacheco Canyon to Chamisa, where other users are typically encountered by riders heading down. Yes, I'm a member of IMBA and SFFTS, and will be leading one of the groups. The real danger for the Winsor is somebody on a Strava mission taking out another user, not groups of IMBA riders taking part in a well planned and supported event.

    I've been riding trails in NM since the late 80's, I remember when SIS came out and thought "Now any idiot can clean climbs because you can shift under pressure and don't have to shift ahead of time or muscle over it." My first trip to Moab, riding slickrock and porcupine rim on a rigid, was 1988. Over the years I've ridden and/or raced most of the trails in NM. I've done almost all of the NMES events including the full SFBFL. I never learned to huck so stay mostly wheels in contact with dirt. REM's not my favorite but I do it a couple times a year and can ride all but a couple stretches of it on my 4" full squish 29r.

    What about all that mean's I'm not a "real" cyclist like yourself?
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    I was told that 2 USFS folks from the Espanola office are attending the IMBA conference and I think one of them is signed up for the Wed. conference you're attending..
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    OK. Good information. Lets not let the "real cyclist" quip interfere w the information exchange. Good to know this is a fundraising event ( does the $$$ raised by the Winsor thrashing go towards NM based trail group or head north to support the Boulder trails coalition (just kidding!!). In all seriousness, the IMBA conference is good press for NM biking (no doubt) and will hopefully lead to greater participation in the NM trail groups around the state. As previously posted, the best work gets done at a local grassroots level thanks to leaders like SKERRY00 and SFFTS/REI/Tuffriders and the IMBA conference will hopefully build on their successes....

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    Sorry I got taken by the "real cyclist" flame instead of your perfectly reasonable post. The purpose of the summit is not fundraising for the local chapter, although we created a map for attendees that we go local business to buy ads for, but it's not going to be big $$. From what I've seen of IMBA, they are best at national level actions, lobbying congress, working with the FS and NPS at a national level. They just don't have the manpower to be working on local issues for everyone. That said, they have been very helpful here and were ready to mobilize when the wilderness folks were trying to get REM/Rancho Viejo/Glorieta into wilderness. From Skerry posts, I guess they haven't done much in the ABQ area. That may change now that FOO is an IMBA chapter club. I would guess the more active the local club, the more support they'll get from IMBA.

    Having the summit here has definitely helped raise awareness of trails with the City, County and local FS folks. We hope that lasts and turns into support for new trails in the future.

    I don't expect that Winsor is going to be too trashed from the ride. The groups have been labeled with skill levels and the goal is to go fast enough that it's fun for the group, but not so fast they're skidding through corners and braking zones. We want all the out of towners to look around at the beauty here and not just at the trail whizzing by.

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    Ehhhh..... I see your point Schneidw. I myself, usually bite my tongue tho when I see someone putting effort into the sustainability and infrastructure of our sport rather than calling them out on small beans. They are all only here for a short time and we won the online vote for them to come here in the first place so lets show them a good time and perhaps if we need them in the future they will remember our goodwill and make an extra effort for us.
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    You guys is funny, I mean come on, really? 150 people riding down your trail? Sounds like a good day to stay inside. I think the winsor trail is the bomb, speaking of bomb I did take off from the top once and killed it, I mean like slaughtered it all the way to the bottom, took out a couple hikers and a horse but f'em them were in the way and I yelled to move. Not like it was my problem.

    On another note, this isn't that big of a deal, where I live it's a total junk show of races and over use of the trails, granted there is a ship ton more trails out more door than dale ball and the winsor. Imagine a race where five hundred people rut the hell out of your trails in one day.

    take it from me 150 people taking 2-3 hrs to get from the ski area over to where the ride ends, that's pretty dank slow if you ask me. It only took me 20 min. to shred the windor trail to the bottom and that was on a hardtail. My sister wasn't so happy about shuttling me, she got over it. So like I wouldn't sweat it, let them enjoy santa gay and hopefully they'll go home and tell everyone the riding sucks there and you won't have to worry about anyone showing up to ride your trails.

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    God bless you ripper roo. Your a true becon of sanity in this crazy crazy world.

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    I'M REALER THAN REAL BRO !!!!!!


    can't wait to move down there someday it's like my fantasy

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    Realer then real deal holyfeild

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    We had a great event - the stoke was amazing! - great workshops, great people from all around the world, bike demos, pro-riders, a new movie release, and great rides. A big thanks to those in Santa Fe who like sharing their trails, much appreciated. If anyone wants to ride in Prescott, AZ, hit me up, i'd gladly return the favor.

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    Patrick, glad to have you out here. Heard your presentation and love the positive attitude. Internet forums are easy to turn into a fishbowl of negativity, especially when one has little to no real facts and understandably needs to make assumptions. I hope the ABQ club can find a way to become re-invigorated. You would think it would be easy with 10 times the population of Santa Fe. As Kerry stated, IMBA support is proportional to club motivation and activity. Without a core of 5-7 super active and skilled members, it is hard to have any movement. Seems like this needs to be the #1 goal of FOO - find those folks and get them on-board. I just remembered that FOO is a chapter- notaknob, talk to Ryan @ IMBA about this.

    The Summit was so much more rewarding than I thought it would be, despite how much work it was for the club and especially me as rides coordinator. Folks really loved the trails and want to come back. Nothing like coming down to Pacheco Road off Winsor and everyone with massive smiles and high-fiving!

    Some highlights:

    - Made a ton of new friends, have invites all over the country for rides.
    - Rode with Bob Allen and he took some shots of me.
    - Rode the Dale Ball luge with Hans Rey and lead him out at the bottom.
    - Rode with Krista Park. She LOVED the Winsor group ride. Everyone was all smiles.
    - Tried the small cow bells from Santa Barbara - work great and not annoying. All the photographers and hikers were ready for us when we came to them. Allows you to ride faster AND avoids incidents = all good.
    - Had a great talk with Kerry. You ABQ folks are lucky to have him.
    - Got full police car escort to the trailheads. Sounds stupid, but it was real cool to have our officers blocking all the roads for us. Even St Francis as we rolled to La Tierra, they just pulled right out with the sirens and lights and gave us priority.
    - Had Atalaya SAR for support, thanks guys! Only two somewhat serious injuries.
    - Got key FS staff even more stoked on MTB. Hoping the new Epic trail plan can move forward.
    - Became buds with Sonya Looney - my brother in law is her good friend.
    - Networking to bring Tour de Fat to Santa Fe. Seems like a real possibility given how well the club did during this event.
    - IMBA suggested to us that we have a yearly MTB event/festival in Santa Fe.
    - Organized 52 rides and had 105 volunteers. IMBA said it was very unusual.
    - Found many news ways to get grants and form coalitions to keep trails open and make new trails.
    - Met with the Taos Cycling Coalition and talked about doing a SF/Taos club ride and helping them with club organization
    - IMBA was very impressed with Santa Fe, the club, city and sponsor support.
    - Did I mention the free beer? Free beer all over the joint and other great free swag.
    - Watched the Red Bull movie with about 400 or so folks and great to feel the stoke.
    - Surrounded by great folks with a common love. How often can you be around that many people for a week and run into zero a-holes?
    - I'll have to mention Winsor again, what a gem. Winsor/Sidewinder/Juan/DB central just totally rocked.

    Stoked and rolling forward,

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    Good words Cabra, great that you enjoyed it. Thanks again to the chapter folks for hosting. I was stoked on Winsor on Saturday morning! We rode High Desert Trails in Gallup on the way back to Prescott, AZ. Had a great time there too. The Prescott chapter are having a fest this coming weekend, come on over for more great riding.

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    EPIC Trail Plan

    Cabra, I greatly appreciate you sharing all the positive outcomes of the IMBA conference and I am glad to to hear that IMBA was impressed by the participation and contribution of NM mtbers... I know alot of people donated time and energy to support the IMBA conference and it sounds like my fears of a Winsor Rampage were unfounded.... With that said, you listed an action item from teh IMBA conference being an EPIC trail plan... do you care to elaborate on what that means please????

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