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    The end of poaching .........

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/27183753/

    The Bush administration plans to make it easier for mountain bikers to gain access to national parks and other public lands before the president an avid cyclist himself leaves office.

    .................

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    Wow! That would be awesome if that pans out.

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    [puts on blind hatred hat]

    F- Bush he is an idiot that can't do anything right

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    He rides MTB's...itsa start.

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    Ah yes, the last acts of sitting presidents are usually hastily decided on - and usually retracted when the new administration takes over... but if meaningful progree could be made regarding the language regarding bicycles in wilderness? Well, now we're talking!
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    Wilderness,too good to be true .One of my dream rides would be doing all of the Pecos Wilderness

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    All comments about President Smoke-and-Mirrors aside, would you rather your parents just give you permission to go to the party next weekend, or leave it up to the mean ol' babysitter that you know damn well will never let you do anything anyway?

    Gee, thanks, Dad! You're swell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by makachut
    Wilderness,too good to be true .One of my dream rides would be doing all of the Pecos Wilderness
    Reminds me that a buddy and I road from the SF ski area up to Lake Katherine and Pecos Baldy in 1983 before the wilderness ban. That was a dream

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    I can't tell you that. It's classified.

    Quote Originally Posted by makachut
    Wilderness,too good to be true .One of my dream rides would be doing all of the Pecos Wilderness
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    FTFY...

    Quote Originally Posted by makachut
    Wilderness,too good to be true .One of my dream rides would be doing all of the Pecos Wilderness, legally

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    Haters

    To all W. haters.

    His opening the Wilderness to mtb'ers more than makes up for this last 8 years.
    So what if he has the blood of thousands on his hands.
    So what if he violated torture laws
    So what if he further expanded worldwide corporatocracy (new age Manifest Destiny thorugh economic means) which enriches the top 5% and further lessens the standard of living for the rest.
    So what if he lowered the tax rate on the richest in America, whom already have many faborable tax loopholes available, reduced transparency of corporate books, then bailed them out with $700 Billion of our tax dollars.

    This more than makes up for his few flaws

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    Quote Originally Posted by NE2NM
    To all W. haters.

    His opening the Wilderness to mtb'ers more than makes up for this last 8 years.
    So what if he has the blood of thousands on his hands.
    So what if he violated torture laws
    So what if he further expanded worldwide corporatocracy (new age Manifest Destiny thorugh economic means) which enriches the top 5% and further lessens the standard of living for the rest.
    So what if he lowered the tax rate on the richest in America, whom already have many faborable tax loopholes available, reduced transparency of corporate books, then bailed them out with $700 Billion of our tax dollars.

    This more than makes up for his few flaws
    Yep, big dubya did all that on his own.
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    Cold got to be. You know? Shiiiiit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B
    Yep, big dubya did all that on his own.
    The man is truly amazing.

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    Didn't Bill Clinton do a similar thing when he left office, like designating the Grand Staircase/Escalante National Monument? It was one of the few things Clinton did that I admired, but I do remember him positively because of it. Bush let the designation stand under considerable pressure from the energy industry, as I recall.

    On the other hand, our beloved activity is gaining mass popularity. I've seen many barriers fall since I started mtbing in the mid eighties. We have grown into a large user group and I think we will be getting a lot more of what we want in the next decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    Didn't Bill Clinton do a similar thing when he left office, like designating the Grand Staircase/Escalante National Monument? It was one of the few things Clinton did that I admired, but I do remember him positively because of it. Bush let the designation stand under considerable pressure from the energy industry, as I recall.

    On the other hand, our beloved activity is gaining mass popularity. I've seen many barriers fall since I started mtbing in the mid eighties. We have grown into a large user group and I think we will be getting a lot more of what we want in the next decade.

    http://www.outdoorindustry.org/pdf/R...icalReport.pdf
    Clinton added a lot of wilderness and monuments. Some which was being donated (like land around salinas national monument) could, and still hasn't been taken because of lack of resources to manage it.

    One thing to be aware of, opening up the wilderness could become a double edged sword. I too remember riding in the wilderness before the ban... And I do believe a bike should be allowed to go wherever horses are.

    It could open up (as bush has wanted to do in the past) to ATV's. I enjoy backpacking and camping, many places I used to go (the jemez comes to mind) are overflowing with these things. It's nice that I can throw on my backpack and get away to the pristine wilderness and not have people riding ATV's through my camp (and actually stopping to look at my mtb's). It would be cool, however, to do some bike-backpacking

    If ATV become legal all the trails will become wide enough for all the big 4 wheelers like the rhino's. Just look and see what hummers and chain saws (illegally) have done to the back country in some areas. Arizona and Colorado have had issues with this happening in national Forrest.

    These communities are bigger and better represented than ours. It doesn't matter that more people ride a bike. To reiterate, I like that I can get away from motorized vehicles and hike along without having atv's and jeeps driving by and am concerned that this could be a first step into making the wilderness a free for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nm_gunslinger
    Clinton added a lot of wilderness and monuments. Some which was being donated (like land around salinas national monument) could, and still hasn't been taken because of lack of resources to manage it.

    One thing to be aware of, opening up the wilderness could become a double edged sword. I too remember riding in the wilderness before the ban... And I do believe a bike should be allowed to go wherever horses are.

    It could open up (as bush has wanted to do in the past) to ATV's. I enjoy backpacking and camping, many places I used to go (the jemez comes to mind) are overflowing with these things. It's nice that I can throw on my backpack and get away to the pristine wilderness and not have people riding ATV's through my camp (and actually stopping to look at my mtb's). It would be cool, however, to do some bike-backpacking

    If ATV become legal all the trails will become wide enough for all the big 4 wheelers like the rhino's. Just look and see what hummers and chain saws (illegally) have done to the back country in some areas. Arizona and Colorado have had issues with this happening in national Forrest.

    These communities are bigger and better represented than ours. It doesn't matter that more people ride a bike. To reiterate, I like that I can get away from motorized vehicles and hike along without having atv's and jeeps driving by and am concerned that this could be a first step into making the wilderness a free for all.
    There's a big difference between giving national park managers the authority to designate bike trails and opening up wilderness for motorized use. I don't know where you've been lately but the USFS Travel Management Plan currently being implemented is greatly restricting motorized vehicle access in the national forests, more indicative of future trends in public land management, I believe.

    To reiterate: I believe allowing bike trails in national parks is a very welcome policy change that in no way opens the door to making wilderness a free for all for jeeps and atvs.

    My God... do you really believe bike trails are just a gateway to jeep and atv trails?
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    I meant doing it

    dream ride in the wilderness.Thanks Prez.Bush for opening it up
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    wow that chick is hot....who is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    To reiterate: I believe allowing bike trails in national parks is a very welcome policy change that in no way opens the door to making wilderness a free for all for jeeps and atvs.

    My God... do you really believe bike trails are just a gateway to jeep and atv trails?
    If you read what I said, you'd know that I am for opening up the trails to mtb's.

    And MY GOD!!! I am concerned, and you should be too, that this could be a gateway to jeep and atv trails. I lived in texas when bush was governer and I know as pres he's passed legislation to help open up areas to ATV's.

    Having lived in texas under bush, the state with the least amount of public land per capita in the nation, he did tried reduce the little be we had. By default, mtb'ing there was mostly about "poaching" on private lands.

    Furthermore, I can't imagine any bill being passed that would be as clean as you think. It may be as simple as redesignating some lands to allow them to be "multi-use."

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    Two images of Palin?

    Is the second image in this string Palin, also? She looks a little different out of her Rep costume.

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    From what I've heard it seems that the proposal is to clasiffy Mt biking as "low impact"

    Per the AP
    The National Park Service confirmed Tuesday that it is preparing a rule that will allow decisions about some mountain bike trails to be made by park managers instead of federal regulators in Washington, a process that can take years.

    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...iking/?refid=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by NE2NM
    From what I've heard it seems that the proposal is to clasiffy Mt biking as "low impact"
    That's my take too. My experience has been that public land managers are coming to see mtbiking as a low impact recreational activity being done by a respectful and responsible user group with a big economic impact. The fact that more people bicycle (not all mtbers, but still) than hunt and fish in New Mexico blew me away. The times they are a changin' for sure!
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    From the article:
    Ruch, executive director of the Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, said the proposal would open up backcountry trails to mountain bikers. Mountain bikers are blamed for erosion of trails and trampling native plants. They also disturb other park users, such as hikers, birders and horseback riders."

    I am the most non-violent and easy going person you could ever meet, but this crap has me wanting to punch this douchebag in the face. How motherfricking dare you talk about MTB causing erosion in the same breath as us disturbing horsepeople? What a fricking joke. Last week I came back from a cool trip to Fruita to find that the local horse people decided to ride Armijo while the clay was wet - total destruction. Not to mention the massive increase this year in steaming horsecrap. It is time for horseshit tax on all horsetrailers.

    For the record, most of the horse people I have actually met in NM seem to be nice enough, but I spend 1/2 of my ride shaking my head at their gross negligence while avoiding the constant piles and hoofholes.

    A few weeks ago, I took my wife for a hike on the Windsor trail and some poor horse must have had montezuma's revenge - I can't believe how much a horse can crap and I can't believe how mindblowingly selfish that horseperson was - If your horse has the fricking runs, it doesn't want to be out carrying your fat ass around and the rest of us trail users who aren't 5' up above the messes you irresponsible ****ers create have to live with your narcisistic delusions of being john wayne or something.

    If you read this and you are a truly responsible horseperson, know that I have nothing against you, but the rest of you horsepeople deserve a punch in the face.

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    Whoa...where have you been?

    Knee deep in horshit it seems...

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    Quote Originally Posted by makachut
    dream ride in the wilderness.Thanks Prez.Bush for opening it up
    Uhhhohhh, Maka's been "poaching" the big boobie latin porn sites again....
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