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    Donde esta La Bruja?

    We need some pics...
    Something tells me this is more than just a placeholder!

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    Check...

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    la bruja twister

    Quote Originally Posted by delnorte
    We need some pics...
    Something tells me this is more than just a placeholder!
    Got this on my phone from RCC after the build up.
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    See the trails, be one with FOO-MTB.
    Slow-core. -.. .-. .. -. -.- .... --- -- . -... .-. . .--

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    Obanna.....that's the best yet.

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    Awesome! Congrats on the new ride RCC

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    Nice!!!

    Why the change in bike? Just curious that a Turner is not in the stable anymore...

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    Thank's Fellas...

    Well here it is TJ!

    2008 Ventana La Bruja Medium Frame 7" of Rear Travel.
    Fox DHX 5.0 coil shock 500# spring(I think a 550 it's in the works,well see!)
    RS Totem coil Fork 180mm of Travel.
    Sunline V1 1.5" rise Handle bars 30' wide.
    WTB saddle Leather.
    Thompson stem 0 rise 70mm.
    Thompson Seatpost(Waiting on my Gravity Dropper!)
    Code Brakes 8" rotor front and 7" Rear.
    Hope ProII gold color Hubs laced on Mavic 819 Rims.
    Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5 tubuless tires.
    Hope Seatpost Collar.
    ODI Ruffians Handlebars Grips.

    It came to about 39lbs so maybe 40 with the Gravity Dropper...I.m so stoked I hope the weather allows riding time today,we'll see it is snowing right now


    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G
    Why the change in bike? Just curious that a Turner is not in the stable anymore...
    I still have the RFX,is going to be my trail bike. I wouldn't get rid off that frame I love that frame!

    I been looking at Ventanas for a while now and I got a smoking deal on this frame so I decieded to give them a try. Geometry and suspension desing very close to my RFX only beffier.
    RCC

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    Bryan again muchas gracias for helping to put it together...youre the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by Öbanna
    Who's the dork in the white shades?

    Sweet rig RCC. She's a butie!

    [SIZE="2"]rides quite nice too[/SIZE]
    A good friend of mine.
    Thank's Obanna
    so where about the south west youre from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCC
    Well here it is TJ!

    2008 Ventana La Bruja Medium Frame 7" of Rear Travel.
    Fox DHX 5.0 coil shock 500# spring(I think a 550 it's in the works,well see!)
    RS Totem coil Fork 180mm of Travel.
    Sunline V1 1.5" rise Handle bars 30' wide.
    WTB saddle Leather.
    Thompson stem 0 rise 70mm.
    Thompson Seatpost(Waiting on my Gravity Dropper!)
    Code Brakes 8" rotor front and 7" Rear.
    Hope ProII gold color Hubs laced on Mavic 819 Rims.
    Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5 tubuless tires.
    Hope Seatpost Collar.
    ODI Ruffians Handlebars Grips.

    It came to about 39lbs so maybe 40 with the Gravity Dropper...I.m so stoked I hope the weather allows riding time today,we'll see it is snowing right now




    I still have the RFX,is going to be my trail bike. I wouldn't get rid off that frame I love that frame!

    I been looking at Ventanas for a while now and I got a smoking deal on this frame so I decieded to give them a try. Geometry and suspension desing very close to my RFX only beffier.
    RCC

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    Bryan again muchas gracias for helping to put it together...your the best

    This is comparable to Turner's Highline right? Horst Link and 7" of travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Öbanna
    Not horst, but close!

    The pivot is very close the the drop out on the seat stay (faux bar), so makes for a plusher ride than the TNT HL. Comparable but even more active than your Els in similar conditions.
    It's a linkage driven single pivot, the same as the TNT Turners. The increased plushness you describe is likely the difference between bearings and bushings.

    How you could possibly ascertain that a faux-bar is more active that a horst-link is beyond me. The opposite is actually true.

    Very nice bike Ramon!

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    Nice new ride. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Öbanna
    I agree that the bearings add to the increased plushness of the design.

    So what are your experiences with Ventanna? Since I obviously have a lack of education in "linkage driven" designs, I suppose I am also incorrect in assuming that pivot placement has nothing to do with wheelpath, chain tension, and leverage rates throughout the travel.

    I remember someone once telling me that his TNT descended better while his horst link seemed to climb a little better. What do you attribute those findings to?
    No problem B.

    Ventana, Turner TNT, Kona, etc. all have, or still do use linkage driven single pivot designs. Yes, pivot placement, rocker length, leverage rate, etc. all have an effect on final ride quality... but your statement about faux-bar being more active just isn't true.

    What made the TNT descend better IME was it's more neutral, less active action, this was primarily felt braking in the steeps. The TNT has a bit of brake squat, counteracting fork dive, which led to stability. The TNT rears were stiffer too, which is always good.

    Climbing, the horst-link was clearly better.

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    very nice...

    awesome

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    Very nice!!! Lets see it dirty! Sweet bike Ramon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Öbanna
    On another note:

    I still don't see how people such as yourself let DT get away with installing bushings (cheaper and add more friction) rather than bearings and the TNT vs Horst debate. He claims that the horst provides only minimal improvement over TNT (not discernible by the average rider, which obviously contradicts your statements above) all the while not passing the discounts (no patent licnesing needed with TNT) on to the consumer. Just the opposite, the price has was/is always inflated! How are we supposed to believe in the DW design when he obviously compromised year model improvements by going TNT and installing bushings instead of bearings? Think about it the new DW is a 33% ($600) increase over last few years. DW makes very little of that from what I understand...and I've never seen fabrication costs inflated like that from just basic retooling (which happens annually for a lot of companies). In my opinion it's not better,just a different set of compromises, geared for the masses.

    You call out people such as myself for what in your mind is a lack of technical knowledge, yet you still get lead around by the bit by the likes of DT. While your knowledge on the subject is refreshing, it is tainted by the actual choices you make.
    Nice try, but I'm not getting sucked into one of these discussions. The answers to all of your questions can be found using the search function.

    Ride what you want dude, and let everyone else do the same.

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    Bryan, aka MTB123 - you focking dolt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Öbanna
    Thanks again.

    However I was comparing neutral axle paths of the two designs.

    Maybe I should have been more clear. I still think the Spez version is more controlled, yet more "active" than TNT. However the neutral position of the pivot @ the seat stay on Ventanas version of the "faux bar" (combined with the what appears to be a high compression curve initially) makes it far more "active" than spesh's horst link or ICT's that I've ridden.

    I was trying to be nice...it feels a little squishy for my tastes. However, the good news, IMO, is that it will be much more responsive to the technologies in the new shocks than a horst link.
    You're weren't comparing "neutral axle paths" at all. You don't understand suspension basics in any way shape or form, and instead use hyperbole and marketing terms strung together about as well as the "hundredth monkey."

    The axle paths of TNT and Ventana are hardly comparable.
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    That is great looking ride!
    I know you got to be going crazy wanting to put it through the paces...Im heading out to WM Sunday. I know WM isnt the venue you would like to ride the new bike in/on but if you would like to go let me know...you got my # call.

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    asi que ya montaste a la bruja.

    Nice ride

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