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    Cumbres Pass CDT Trail Recovery

    Hey Folks,

    Well I know I was impressed with Andy's pics from up on the CDT. I had a scouting trip planned up to the Cumbres Pass for Sept 6th-7th and when I saw the shots from up top I was stoked. The only bummer was to hear about a tree fall 4 miles in.

    So here's some of my questions. Who has intimate knowledge of the tree fall? How long is it? How monumental would it be to clear? Any pictures? Give me an idea of how long it would take for 1 guy with a chain saw to clear it? More chain saws = faster... >;o)=

    If its at all practical to nail in one day, here's what I'm thinking...heading up Friday the 5th and camping at Trujillo Meadows. Heading over to the tree fall Saturday morning and going at it. Get it cleared and then relaxing and drinking beer (Or maybe do a ride out of the CG if time permits). Then Sunday morning getting up and riding what we cleared all the way to the wilderness boundary.

    So can it be cleared by a motivated team in a day and who wants to help?
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    I hear its huge and you should have a good map for navigation. You can very easily get discombobulated up there. I think I can make that weekend. Keep us posted on the itenerary!

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    I don't think it is possible. I'm guessing that is why the Forest Service thought it would be easier to make a reroute. Seriously, it would take more than a weekend. I don't wanna discourage you but.... after taking my 18" saw filled with gas and bar oil, it barely had enough to clear 9-10 trees on REM.

    I'd love to do my part but I can't make that weekend.

    P.S. - I've heard of the Forest Service loaning out two man saws but I don't think that would be any easier. Just thought it might beat lugging around extra fuel and bar oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmtim
    I don't think it is possible. I'm guessing that is why the Forest Service thought it would be easier to make a reroute....
    Thanks Tim...I kinda wondered why the tree fall wasn't cleared sooner. But then again the Forest Service is pretty under staffed and not sure what priority this had compared to fighting fires.

    So it sounds like we're talking Bob trailer or wagons to get enough equipment in there to do the job. I guess if we can get enough boots on the ground and have fuel and saws for everyone, we might be able to make a dent. So again, what size team do you think it would take to clear it?

    I guess another question would be is it worth while? Is trying to salvage this section of trail worth hassling with? Or does the "reroute" actually work. Andy seemed to indicate that now you have to go up a forest road and intersect the trail further up. But it sounded like to me that we have lost about 6 miles of single track trail towards the bottom due to the downed trees. Sound right to you? I'd work pretty hard to gain back 6 miles of ST....
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    I'm witcha Doug! It's your world brother! I'm just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut or two. I'll go even if it means we have to just sit back and drink beer. I am guessing somewhere on the order of 10-15 strongbacks....what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dropin%Dug
    Thanks Tim...I kinda wondered why the tree fall wasn't cleared sooner. But then again the Forest Service is pretty under staffed and not sure what priority this had compared to fighting fires.

    So it sounds like we're talking Bob trailer or wagons to get enough equipment in there to do the job. I guess if we can get enough boots on the ground and have fuel and saws for everyone, we might be able to make a dent. So again, what size team do you think it would take to clear it?

    I guess another question would be is it worth while? Is trying to salvage this section of trail worth hassling with? Or does the "reroute" actually work. Andy seemed to indicate that now you have to go up a forest road and intersect the trail further up. But it sounded like to me that we have lost about 6 miles of single track trail towards the bottom due to the downed trees. Sound right to you? I'd work pretty hard to gain back 6 miles of ST....
    Tim's right, this could be a serious undertaking, REM was no cakewalk even with the chainsaw and four guys.

    That said I'd definitely be interested in helping you clear the deadfall Doug, but seeing as how this ride will only be doable for another few weeks why not just wait unit next spring/summer? More trees are sure to fall this winter...

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    I think it is worth saving for sure. The parts that were ride-able were real flowy and twisty with a few tough climbs. If it was clear it would be tons more fun than the reroute.

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    If it is such an undertaking, why not do half to 3/4 this year and easy finish next year just in time to enjoy it.

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    Let's git'er done!!!

    OK... It's a go. My thoughts are with Bryan. It sounds like the FS has abandoned the trail, otherwise they would have cleared it. They probably don't have the resources and don't care enough to keep it open. As we all know, trying to build 6 miles of ST is a heck of a lot harder then removing a tree fall and if we wait too long, we'll have to reclaim/rebuild. Yeah we could wait until next spring, but why wait and regroup people. I'm going up next weekend and that's at least one person and a partial dent.

    Here's what I think. If we can get 3-4 chain saws in there and 6-8 people I think we could make quite the impact, especially if we start early and have good weather. I'm willing to put in a whole day to get it open if the potential exists.

    So, I'm taking my chain saw in on Tuesday for a new chain. I believe I have a chain file to resharpen if necessary. I'll bring fuel and bar oil, but if we have other saws we may need additional fuel/oil. I'll get a hold of Mike Prindle and see if I can round up 2 Polaski's, 2 Mclouds and a rock bar, just in case we need to work some of the trail. I'll also stop by the Hardware store and get a heavy duty pruner.

    We need a wagon or Bob. Foo doesn't have one, but I hear that Tony and the guys at Bikeworks might. I'll stop by on Tuesday and find out. If anyone else has a "Radio Flyer" or other form of trailer, let me know. Even a wheel barrow would work.

    Last two things. I will be going up after work on Friday. I may try to get out at noon and get up there to scout before dark. If not I should be up at Trujillo Meadows before dark at the latest. If you're gonna join in send me a PM or email me. We'll coordinate through email.

    One last question. Is it easier to access the fall up above from the reroute on the road or go at it from below? Sounds like it may be closer to the top and from there we only need to roll the wagons down hill.

    So who's in? PM or email me... and remember, you can't ride a trail that hasn't been cleared... Even though I know you will...
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    Way to go dude! Good luck and thanks.

    I'm not sure if it would be easier from the top or not. We ran into two intersections on the reroute and I'm not sure where the first one ties in at. The second was pretty high up and above the tree line. The only thing I'd worry about is not being able to finish in one day and having to climb out and then back down to the car on top of the initial climb that got you there. I wish I could help....

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    [QUOTE=PM or email me... and remember, you can't ride a trail that hasn't been cleared... Even though I know you will... [/QUOTE]

    My email on this site is wrong...I'm trying to get it changed but I forgot my password... Go figure. Anyway use MTBDUG@YAHOO.COM to connect or PM.
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    Well I never made it to the blow down and I am not completely sure that I even know where the ST starts at the bottom, although, I have a pretty good idea. Seems taking the trailers up the road would not be difficult, but there is a hike-a-bike section near the falls and past that you have to poach the wilderness for a few miles to get to the the legal section of 813. If we go this route sleeping up there might be a good idea? ST distance wise is probably shorter, but harder to navigate with the trailers. Come to think of it, we can drive as far up as Los Pinos Falls. Here is the map that I used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dropin%Dug
    OK... It's a go. My thoughts are with Bryan. It sounds like the FS has abandoned the trail, otherwise they would have cleared it. They probably don't have the resources and don't care enough to keep it open. As we all know, trying to build 6 miles of ST is a heck of a lot harder then removing a tree fall and if we wait too long, we'll have to reclaim/rebuild. Yeah we could wait until next spring, but why wait and regroup people. I'm going up next weekend and that's at least one person and a partial dent.

    Here's what I think. If we can get 3-4 chain saws in there and 6-8 people I think we could make quite the impact, especially if we start early and have good weather. I'm willing to put in a whole day to get it open if the potential exists.

    So, I'm taking my chain saw in on Tuesday for a new chain. I believe I have a chain file to resharpen if necessary. I'll bring fuel and bar oil, but if we have other saws we may need additional fuel/oil. I'll get a hold of Mike Prindle and see if I can round up 2 Polaski's, 2 Mclouds and a rock bar, just in case we need to work some of the trail. I'll also stop by the Hardware store and get a heavy duty pruner.

    We need a wagon or Bob. Foo doesn't have one, but I hear that Tony and the guys at Bikeworks might. I'll stop by on Tuesday and find out. If anyone else has a "Radio Flyer" or other form of trailer, let me know. Even a wheel barrow would work.

    Last two things. I will be going up after work on Friday. I may try to get out at noon and get up there to scout before dark. If not I should be up at Trujillo Meadows before dark at the latest. If you're gonna join in send me a PM or email me. We'll coordinate through email.

    One last question. Is it easier to access the fall up above from the reroute on the road or go at it from below? Sounds like it may be closer to the top and from there we only need to roll the wagons down hill.

    So who's in? PM or email me... and remember, you can't ride a trail that hasn't been cleared... Even though I know you will...
    It was snowing a bit just north of Durango last night (at a lower altitude than the treefall on the CDT out of Cumbres Pass), food for thought...

    Either way I can't go this coming weekend since I've already spent the last three weekends in Colorado, but I wish you guys luck.

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    I've been riding up there for the last 15 years and EVERY year there is down fall to deal with in that area.Last and this year have been the worst i ever saw.The work you want to do is good and I praise your ambition and now here's the makaopinion= will it be in vain?More downfall will happen over the winter and if the locals of Chama and the Forest service haven't cleaned it out by now and have decided to close and reroute the trail there's probable reason.
    Park at the top where Brian suggests and you can ride a forest road {about 5 miles}in with bike and trailer right above and easy access to the downfall .Don't forget your kevlar chaps , steeltoe booots and first aid with needle and thread when doing chainsaw work .and goodluck.

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    I think there might be a shortcut too! When we got lost was at the Rd 118 as the signs at one of the intersection read 2118 A, 2118 C, and 2118 B or something like that. We took 2118 C. Anyway not too far from that intersection, we saw a very well developed ST taking off to the left. I would be willing to be that this takes you over the ridge to 813. Do you know of anything like that Mark? The X marks approximately where I saw the trail. The blue is just a guess. It would be worth driving to this location and scouting the trail on the bikes the day before. Only problem is that it is very primitive jeep road and plenty of dead fall to clear on the road itself. We could clear a path for the vehicle though, right?
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    there are a few shortcuts by way of old jeep roads that I've rode over the years but the best way is to park at the top 118 and where the gate says no motorized vehicles beyond this point.Ride the bikes for a few miles on the forest road and hit the trail above all the new clearing on the private property,near the ridge that you are refering to.You'll neeed at least a 24 " to 36" bar on your saw,those trees are wide.and bring some face and ear protection too.

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    Well Dropin%Dug looks like it's a lost cause. I asked for a change of password like an idiot and now It's logged me off. So farewell Dropin%...long live DaGoat. You can PM me here or send email.

    Thanks Marky...we'll be careful. Good to know you really do care.

    Again my attitude is if we don't work to open this up somehow, its just gonna get over grown and reclaiming it will be difficult. I want to ride up to Flat Mtn. and since I'll be there, I'm willing to hack away at it. Conside it an exploratory mission that if perhaps we get enough people on it and we can clear it, its all good. If not we'll post pictures and let folks know what needs to be done. That way next spring we should be able to finish it up.
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    I may have a line on a Bob Trailer to use which will make this WAY easier. Basically being able to ride in to the fall. If we have a Bob, I'd say lets hit it from below. I'll let folks know what's up later this week.
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    CDT This Weekend

    Hey Folks,

    This weekend we are headed to the Cumbres Pass to do some exploring on the CDT (Continental Divide Trail) and the surrounding areas. The objective is three fold; explore the trails and their condition in the Archuleta Creek/Rio Chama area. This is the region on the left of the map that Bryan posted at the TH on FR122. The other objective is to go in and see what the condition is of the tree blow down on the CDT. The final objective is to do a nice group ride up to Flat Mtn. and enjoy the views and the first signs of fall foliage.

    The scenario is this, we will be headed up on Friday either afternoon or after work. The Trujillo Meadows CG is officially closed for the season, but the ranger said you can "primitive" camp anywhere along the Forest Roads. I'm thinking we can still camp somewhere near Trujillo Meadows. So that's where we'll be headed to bed down Friday night.

    Saturday, we'll separate into two groups; those that want to ride and those that want to work. The ride group can head to FR122 and begin exploring. Again, it would be good to have pictures and an assessment of the trail conditions from this group.

    The work group will ride up the CDT for about 4 miles from the bottom until we hit the tree snags. Mark Reineke has been gracious enough to let us use his Bob Trailer. So we will be carrying saws and other tools in to do what we can. The primary objective of the work party is to map out the trail and set way points for the tree falls. I'll have my Garmin and will set the GPS Map. We'll take pictures and assess the situation. And yes we'll cut what we can and generally try to open as much as possible. The goal is to really get a feel for what needs to be done to open the trail so we can get at it again next Spring. The situation is that 6 miles of single track has been out of commission for over 2 years and we don't want to lose the trail. We have to reclaim this and soon!!!!

    Saturday night we'll relax, do Ibu's (and drink heavily), then get up on Sunday to do a group ride up to the Flat Mtn. on the CDT.

    Now with any endeavour like this logistics is always an issue. I will ask that anyone who wants to join us please let me know by Thursday afternoon and detail when you can roll out on Friday. We'll put together a rendezvous plan and send it out Friday morning.

    If you want to be part of the work group, chain saws would be helpful at this point. I'll bring Pre-mix and bar oil, but if you bring a saw, bring additional. Lopers and machetes would be helpful too. Above all, let's be safe; this means safety glasses, ear protection, gloves etc, etc, etc.

    So who's in?

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    Cleaning a blow down area is no easy task. Bring plenty o fuel and an extra blade or two. Did some clearing up in boundary waters a few years back and it was difficult, but very worth while.

    Would be glad to help out this weekend, but the social director has made other plans. Next weekend I would be more than willing to help out though.

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    Couple more maps of the trail that I found

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    Wish I could go...but no way I could get clearance for this. I applaud your motivation to get out there and clear the trail.
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    Man I'm sore!!!

    Well it was a spectacular, stunning, painful, stressful, eventful, successful weekend. I'll post a more thorough discourse, but suffice it to say we mapped on GPS the whole CDT route and although it ain't pretty it isn't perhaps as bad as it could be. Thanks to Bryan for leading the charge, although we probably lost a trail maintainer (my girlfriend) in the process.

    Bottom-line is we have about 8 1/2 miles of gorgeous ST separated by about 2 miles of heineous tree fall. If we can get it tied back together it will be a good 20 mile out and back on trails that are really mt. bike friendly.

    There really isn't any insane stupid steep sections and what is steep has really well established switch backs carved in already. The trail has been neglected and needs some love but I will stress that I've ridden "hiking" trails and I've been on mt. bike ST and I would definitely put this in the "High Alpine Mt. Bike Trail" catagory.

    And the views!!! Some of the most stunning I've seen in a while.

    I may go back up Oct 3rd weekend to go at some of it again. I'd like to take Saturday to finish clearing the lower 4 miles. We put a good dent in it, but my saw was being a pisser and there's still some small snags to clear. I'd say 7 trees max.

    We'd get up to the 4 mile mark and there's still a small bit of hiking/exploration to do. We need to look at about 1/8 mile section to connect from the base of a revine up onto the ridge. We took one route down but I think there's a better alternative that we briefly explored that goes around and up on to the ridge.

    Then Sunday we can go free ride. We can start up a logging road and ride the upper part of the trail to check out the scenery. The Aspens should be peaking then so it should be spectacular. Any takers on a combined work session/ride? Now that we know where the trail is, I promise it won't be a total bushwack!!!
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    You are a man on a mission. Very successful weekend Doug. Thanks for getting it going. This is the destination of destinations as far as I am concerned. Give yourself credit though. We beautified the first four miles, lopping branches and establishing 'The Trail'. There is only one downed log and the other is a rats nest with a decent gol-around in place. It will take you all of 20 minutes to make that one of the best four mile stretches of ST around. Great job everyone. Lets see those pics, GPS, and elevation chart!

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    I think this deserves a passion hit. Not only is the scenery passion worthy, the effort passion worthy, but maybe if you post on that board it might inspire some of our northern neighbors to come down and help with the clearing effort.
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    I think Doug has something planned for the CO forum.

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    Pictures of the Mayhem!!!

    Hey Folks,

    Here's my picture links. I separated them into Day 1 (Work Day) and Day 2's expedition. We covered a lot of ground and succeeded in really getting a feel for what the situation is. Well pictures tell a thousand words, so enjoy. I'll let ya know when I have the GPS and Topo's ready.

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    Mayhem...shoot, this was one of the more successful outback adventures that I have been on lately!

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    GPS Files for the Cumbres CDT

    OK folks, here's the raw GPS Tracks in GPX format. I'll post maps of these but for those who are GPS Proficient (which I'm not really so don't ask) you can download them at these links. I broke them out into Day 1 Lower and the Day 2 reroute climb to the trail and the Day 2 full trail ride/hike. They are Zipped for ease of download. Enjoy.

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    I can download them but I don't have a program to open them. Did you give the files a .zip extension, cause winzip won't open either.

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    Topofusion

    Bry... download the ZIP file and extract the GPX file inside. You'll need Topofusion to work with it... and no, I'm not going to get into that. Have Bruce show ya whazup. The world of GPS is hard enough even for an IT Geek like me.
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    Cumbres CDT GPS Maps

    Ok... here's the GPS Maps of the CDT. I put the track on Google Earth and Topofusion. The 4 mile confuser zone looks like we should have gone around the ridge. Could be wrong but the topo seems to show a little gentler terrain.

    I'm jazzed about the clff face down at the end of the ridge. I could see a real nice little lolipop loop down there. May have to hike down there and check out the terrain. Well enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn. Biker123
    I can download them but I don't have a program to open them. Did you give the files a .zip extension, cause winzip won't open either.
    Day1 works for me. It was zipped, but after unzipping I was able to import the GPX into my Garmin Mapsource software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    Bry... download the ZIP file and extract the GPX file inside. You'll need Topofusion to work with it... and no, I'm not going to get into that. Have Bruce show ya whazup. The world of GPS is hard enough even for an IT Geek like me.
    I can tell that you do not do desktop support. It's always the users fault. Unless they pay more. Then it's someone else created the error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notaknob
    I can tell that you do not do desktop support. It's always the users fault. Unless they pay more. Then it's someone else created the error.
    LOL... Like I said "raw data"... Don't know what to do with the data? Then hire a consultant... I really don't charge that much!!!
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    I can tell that you do not do desktop support. It's always the users fault. Unless they pay more. Then it's someone else created the error.

    Day Two - Whole CDT google maps thingie click here!11!!
    Day Two - Reroute up Los Pinos - google maps thingie click here!11!!

    CDT Trail - Whole Thing - URL thingie to download the file for the googles earht! http://www.gps-tour.info/tours/downl....php?key=23134

    Reroute up Los Pinos - URL thingsie to download the file for the googels earth! http://www.gps-tour.info/tours/downl....php?key=23136

    Thanks Bruce thats awesome. Did you see the elevation profile on that climb up the Los Pinos Falls area See ya at RCC's.

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    there goes the neighborhood and good work. Glad to see that trail still has life

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    That trail is old news according to the locals, no need to worry if their not. It is the closest thing we will get to the epic adventures that your accustomed to. Looking forward to getting some more of your sloppy seconds next year!
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    Change of plans?

    Well my whild gets complex at times. It's called a girlfriend. So I may be looking at going up the weekend of the 27th. Yeah, I know that's the Pajrito Blowout, but I guess I may have to pass on that. EMail me or PM if your interested in seeing the Cumbres Pass.
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    GITA/Paj....may have to pass! Unless of course GITA can be moved to Cumbres?

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    Another round...

    Ken Negus and I will be headed back up to the Cumbres Pass on Saturday Sept 27th. Plan is to leave early in the morning and get up there by noon. We'll then head off on the lower 4 miles to finish clearing some snags and map/tag the Confuser area.

    Sunday we'll drive up the logging road and go out to check an overlook and then ride up the upper section to Flat Mountain. I'd love to see if we can get up on top. Aspens should be going off by then...

    All are welcome... send me a PM or Email if your interested.
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    Were headed up Friday afternoon, but we a bit of a different plan as far as the rides are concerned.

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    Another round down...

    Hey Folks,

    Ken Negus and I made another trek up to the Cumbres Pass this weekend to work on the CDT. It was a good trip. Aspens were out to about 30-50% and the weather held off for the most part. In case some of you are confused as to where this is, here's some directions. As you head out of Chama on RT17 you will climb up to the top of the Cumbres Pass, you will get to a point where there is a little train station on your left. Just after that is FR118 with signs to Trujillo Meadows Reservoir. When you turn onto FR118, about 50 yards down on the left is a another road with a sign for the CDNST (Continental Divide National Scenic Trail). Go about 1/4 mile and you will reach a Train Tressel. On the right is the start of the CDT.

    So what did we do this weekend? We were able to completely clear the lower 4 miles, so the trail is now open from the Train Tressle up to the Upper Falls. This is a really nice out and back with some gorgeous views of the Aspens. Ken and I cleared two major snags and a few single trees. We also re-routed the trail up by the Upper Falls to go right by the river. The original trail went in there, but numerous snags had forced the trail back into the woods. The trail is now open right next to the Falls. Real pretty.

    We then did a quick hike up around the area I call "The Confuser". It's a ridge line that we need to gain to get right below the main Tree Snag. Because the trail has been abandoned, it's grown up in the meadows. But we were able to trace what we believe is some of it and perhaps have found a route up onto the ridge. By that time it was getting dark, so we headed back down and called it a day.

    The next morning we drove up FR118 to the Logging road. It's about 3-4 miles up on the left and is marked and easy to find. We then drove up the logging road until we reached the gate. From there we rode 3.5 miles to the beginning of the Upper Trail. This is the trail that goes up onto the ridge and out to Flat Mt. One word of caution, the beginning of the upper section has a tree snag. Ken and I found it easier to hike up the meadow along a zig-zag fence line and stay out of the woods to gain the Ridge. It's not long or intense, but you have to work your way up.

    Once on top you have the glorious ride up to Flat Mt. We found it to be really ride-able. There are some sections through the "St. Stevens Bucket-o-Skree" as I'll call it, but generally it is a nice solid ride at 11,000' to 12,000'. There's some of what I've come to call "Colorado Single Track"; real deep troughy stuff that can catch a crank or a wheel, but not really that much considering the terrain. The climb up what I've dubbed the "Sandman Cliffs Switchbacks" is doable, but the bends are tight and need some repair. All in all it was a nice climb and then a good ride back down. Got caught by some rain on the way down the logging road, but generally our ride was dry and really pretty. Here's some pictures of what we did.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/DugdaGoa...y=1AZhhY2C9zU#

    http://picasaweb.google.com/knegus44/WorkingOnThe813#

    So, whats next? Well we are done for the Fall up there but we have some focus for next summer. I was able to get the numbers for the FS Supervisor responsible for the Timber Harvest. I also got the number for the Timber Company Supervisor doing the cutting. We'll get together with them and determine what their plan is. I also met Che Johnston who is the owner of the High Country Saloon and a Mt. Biker. He's going to get me together with some Mt. Bikers up there and in particular a guy who does trail maintenance around Chama. We'll also have IMBA sending a trail crew down to work with us at some point, so we will regroup in early-summer next year and git after it. My objective is to have the whole trail open by next Fall so that we can enjoy a good 25 mile out and back to one of the prettiest areas around NM.

    Also, I would encourage anyone who wants to give the Cumbres a look see in the next couple weeks to do so. The Aspens will probably be in full glory this week and diminish from there. And if you're up in Chama, take time to check out the High Country Saloon. They have great food and a wonderful selection of beer in a real nice back country atmosphere. And Che's a Mt Biker!!!

    See ya on the trail,
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    Very cool. Sorry we did not make it, but we scoped the lower section for you! Looked like you two were getting pounded from down below.

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    Archeleta looked cool...

    Hey Bry... I saw the post on NM Freeride. Looks nice dude!!! Imagine if there was some way to tie Archeleta into the CDT. Not sure it could be done, but man what a monumental Epic it would be.
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    Hell's yeah!

    Anyone wanting a sneak peak at the full report before Von's post check out

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    Hey Bry... I saw the post on NM Freeride. Looks nice dude!!! Imagine if there was some way to tie Archeleta into the CDT. Not sure it could be done, but man what a monumental Epic it would be.
    Actually think there might be a method linking the two trails. Might require an overnight at or near the base of a large waterfall.

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    CDT Session - June 2009

    Folks,

    Here's a note I sent to Rob Santoro of the Rio Grande Ranger District. He's our liason for the Trail 813 (CDT) and is actively supporting our efforts. More fun to follow....

    "Hi Rob

    Here’s a data dump from this weekend! We had a successful session on the Trail 813 (CDT) up on the Cumbres Pass!

    First things first, the trail wintered over great, no major tree falls on what we cleared up to the Upper Falls.. This is good news! Second, Ken Negus and I were able to find the original trail track all the way up to the “Tree Fall Zone”. We staked the trail strategically and have now connected the dots. I would consider the preliminary survey and mapping complete. We know where the original trail use to go!

    On the positive side, it is awesome. It has great view points that it optimizes. The grade it follows should be perfect for mountain biking and hiking. There’s nothing really “stupid steep” in what we walked. The down side is we have lost a good section of the trail in what I will call “The Meadows”. We’ve got some ‘grubbing’ to do! Also, we found out that there is another section of ‘tree fall’ we will need to address. It is shorter and less intense than the piece directly below the ‘Clear Cut Zone’, but it will take some chain saw work to clean up!

    Let me try to explain what we found. The area we are talking about is what I’ll call “Blow Down Ridge”. Up high on the South End of the ridgeline is the Clear Cut and where it intersects the Main Overlook Ridge. The ridgeline descends North East and the trail follows the eastern edge as it drops down. When we first walked the trail down from the Clear Cut through the ‘Tree Fall’ we came to what I will call “North Point”. This marks the northern most end of the ridge. The grade along the eastern edge and at the north end is too steep to climb up from the valley below. It was here that we couldn’t figure out how to get down to the established trail down in the valley.

    Well it turns out that the trail actually bends back towards the south-west at the “North Point”. It heads down the ‘western slope’ of Blow Down Ridge (this is where the second tree fall zone is). About ½ mile down it intersects the main drainage and we found the remains of an old bridge. There is also an old jeep road that comes up from the west. The trail actual drops away from the road and heads back towards the North East and eventually comes down into ‘The Meadows’ to join up with the existing trail tread. Mystery solved!

    Here’s some pictures of our adventure.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/DugdaGoa...etDayInJune09#
    http://picasaweb.google.com/DugdaGoa...ryDayInJune09#

    I think at this point we need to strategize a bit. As the Land Management Representative we understand that we need to work with your direction, but here is what I would propose. We should begin working up from down in The Meadows. I would hope with a few sessions later this Summer and Fall that we could get a Trail Track established in The Meadows. Next year we could then look at pushing up to the Jeep Road/Drainage intersection from there. At the same time next year we could also begin working down from the Clear Cut into Blow Down Ridge based on what the timber company leaves. The nice thing about all of this is it looks like we have a few roads we can utilize to get equipment and tools into the trail.

    Another suggestion I would have is that the Forest Service replace the notification down at the Train Trestle indicating the trail is “Closed”. We might want to indicate that the trail is open for about 4-5 miles up to the Upper Falls but beyond that it runs into a major tree fall and is not passable. The reason I suggest we don’t indicate the trail as “Closed” is that it discourages folks from hiking/riding it and the trail continues to grow over. At least if we indicate it is open for 4-5 miles people who want to do a day hike can at least get up into the valleys and they will help to keep the tread packed. But that’s your call.

    In closing I’ll just say we’re making progress and I look forward to continuing to work with you and any other volunteers we can round up to re-establish the trail. One individual I have contacted is Che Johnston who is the proprietor of the High Country Restaurant in Chama, NM. He is going to try to spark the interest of the local Mt. Bike community there to get some additional support. Could we try to set another date to all meet and get up the trail? I would throw out July 18th or 25th. We could do an overnight campout with 2 days up on the trail. It would be good to meet you and get any other interested parties integrated with our efforts.

    What do you think?

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    Nice work Goat! I will be heading up there in 3 weeks for sure. Lemme know!

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