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    Cajun Pine Reroute

    Folks will notice a new section on the Cajun Pine trail that we opened today. The reroute fixes a small discrepancy on the system where motorized is not allowed on FS Rd 335 (David Canyon Rd) but had to drive a portion to link up with the other motorized trails. Usually we don't move trails to match a map but in this case it made sense.

    Anyway, I took advantage of a pretty cool boulder field for a portion of the reroute so it's a bit more techy than the previous trail. After opening it, we rode it with the dirtbikes and it needs a few fixes here and there including removal of a few more trees and maybe a little work to make some somewhat easier lines through the rocks (with the more difficult options still there). Also, there's a really cool roller that we're looking at to include as a b line, it'll probably the longest in the trail system.

    Anyway, like all new trails, it's soft but ridable so enjoy.

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    map? please?
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    Good job! What!

    You didn't call me to help with the work? I have a brand new hard hat I have only used once and it needs to be broken in properly. It is always great to see progress on the trail system. Thanks!
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    aldousfilcher - if you don't have a map of the system you can drop by the office in Tijeras (Mon-Fri 8-4:30) for one. Or, you're welcome to email me at kwood@fs.fed.us and I can send you the pdf. The reroute is on the map already so there's no change if you have one already.

    Tim - You've already been replaced by two new volunteers that helped us on Thursday....Kidding of course. We plan on doing some minor work on it (moving some rocks...your favorite) Tuesday and possibly look at that roller if you're interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    aldousfilcher - if you don't have a map of the system you can drop by the office in Tijeras (Mon-Fri 8-4:30) for one. Or, you're welcome to email me at kwood@fs.fed.us and I can send you the pdf. The reroute is on the map already so there's no change if you have one already.

    Tim - You've already been replaced by two new volunteers that helped us on Thursday....Kidding of course. We plan on doing some minor work on it (moving some rocks...your favorite) Tuesday and possibly look at that roller if you're interested.

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    Rode it today: less jeep road is always good. And the trail is vintage Skerry. Also noticed the trail closures on Three Bottles.

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    I wondered what was going on with the trail. I thought I was just blind and never noticed the trail head there before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skerry00 View Post
    Tim - You've already been replaced by two new volunteers that helped us on Thursday....Kidding of course. We plan on doing some minor work on it (moving some rocks...your favorite) Tuesday and possibly look at that roller if you're interested.
    Skerry: you didn't forget to bring your rockbar on the first outing did you?

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    Yes, the reroute is below the entrance to Three Bottles.

    Actually, it's unfortunate that folks find it necessary to create user-trails. It's a terrible waste of our time to deal with them but have a duty to do so. Perhaps you heard of the SAR that happened in late August which was a direct result of a user getting lost on a user trail out there? Conversly, if you work with us, we can make those trails happen in a manner that we're not working against each other. I am currently working on the NEPA to establish Three Bottles, the west boundary trail, a Pine Flat/Oak Flat connector and some others as official NFS trails. It may not happen on your timeframe but it is happening and every day we spend dealing with stuff people make on their own without consultation with us, is one day less we can move forward with trails planning and implementation. I think I've made a decend impression on folks that we're here to create a better trail system but there's still a few that are doing their own thing and that limits our progress.

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    West Boundary isn't a sanctioned trail?
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    skerry,

    I went out to find the new reroute but couldn't find it. I am not familiar with the trail "Three Bottles". I have scouted the trail map that I have from the Ranger Station and there isn't a trail with that name on it in the Mars Court area. All I see is Cajun Pine, Cajun Turkey, Wild Turkey, Turkey Trot, FS RD 335, FS RD 530, FS RD 109, and Drop In. Where is the "Three Bottles" you are referring to?

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    I'll just throw out that some of the "user trails" that I've seen obliterated and closed by the FS were historic trails, in place for well over 50 years, and likely much longer. Some great sections of ST in that area also started as game trails and people started using them. I think we need to be careful in what we're calling "user trails" and how they are being handled. Of course, I'm old and remember when I could ride in "wilderness" areas too.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkldouglas View Post
    skerry,

    I went out to find the new reroute but couldn't find it. I am not familiar with the trail "Three Bottles". I have scouted the trail map that I have from the Ranger Station and there isn't a trail with that name on it in the Mars Court area. All I see is Cajun Pine, Cajun Turkey, Wild Turkey, Turkey Trot, FS RD 335, FS RD 530, FS RD 109, and Drop In. Where is the "Three Bottles" you are referring to?

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    Three Bottles is some amateur downhill wannabe's idea of a free-ride park, but was pretty poorly built. I'm sure Kerry will clean it up and when it's "officially" posted (documented) I'm sure you'll appreciate it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Three Bottles is some amateur downhill wannabe's idea of a free-ride park, but was pretty poorly built. I'm sure Kerry will clean it up and when it's "officially" posted (documented) I'm sure you'll appreciate it!
    haha, funny stuff there Goat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    ...some amateur downhill wannabe's idea of a free-ride park..... pretty poorly built.

    I dont understand your hostility.

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    Originally Posted by DaGoat

    ...some amateur downhill wannabe's idea of a free-ride park..... pretty poorly built.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    I dont understand your hostility.
    Hostility? No hostility... Three bottles was pretty poorly built by some one who didn't have a lot of experience (AKA "amateur") at building trails. No more no less.
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    If you don't like a trail then don't ride it. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmtim View Post
    if you can't ride a trail then don't ride it. Simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
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    Every trail should be do-able on a carbon fiber hard tail. Otherwise it's stupid and so are the people who built it. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmtim View Post
    Every trail should be do-able on a carbon fiber hardtail

    Its not the bike.....

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    So a bunch of people have chimed in on what they thing of the trail or what they thing of the person writing about the trail, but no one has yet to say where the trail is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkldouglas View Post
    So a bunch of people have chimed in on what they thing of the trail or what they thing of the person writing about the trail, but no one has yet to say where the trail is...
    Dude, just ride up blue ribbon, hit the jeep road for a short bit, and tuck in at three bottles right where the big wooden sign is that says 3 bottles.

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    You mean Nasty with a Gee? I beg your pardon, sally with an s.

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    Thanks, that is what I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmtim View Post
    You mean Nasty with a Gee? I beg your pardon, sally with an s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
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    Took the new reroute today. Very nice. That area through the boulders reminds me a lot of Three Bottles. There is lots of potential for rollers and such through there. Any time we can get more trail with the flaver of 3B the better. Thanks Kerry
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Three Bottles is some amateur downhill wannabe's idea of a free-ride park, but was pretty poorly built. I'm sure Kerry will clean it up and when it's "officially" posted (documented) I'm sure you'll appreciate it!
    The key builder of three bottles rides a niner. His other bike is a hardtail. He was my favorite mechanic in the 90s.
    If youre going to try and be the benchmark for NM mountain biking doug, you need to bring more to the table than ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Dude, just ride up blue ribbon, hit the jeep road for a short bit, and tuck in at three bottles right where the big wooden sign is that says 3 bottles.
    Turn left on the jeep road towards Drop In or turn right on the jeep road?
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    Turn left on the jeep road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl View Post
    The key builder of three bottles rides a niner. His other bike is a hardtail. He was my favorite mechanic in the 90s.
    If youre going to try and be the benchmark for NM mountain biking doug, you need to bring more to the table than ego.

    If you are referring to Salinas, I don't think he had much to do with that trail.

    Doug, what EXACTLY do you NOT like about 3B's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl View Post
    The key builder of three bottles rides a niner. His other bike is a hardtail. He was my favorite mechanic in the 90s.
    If youre going to try and be the benchmark for NM mountain biking doug, you need to bring more to the table than ego.
    Well Aaron, I'm not sure what being a good "wrench" has to do with being a good trailbuilder, but you obviously can make some correlation, and as far as me being a benchmark of NM Mt. Biking, I don't think that's ever been an objective of mine...

    No the issue is exactly as Kerry quotes here;

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    Actually, it's unfortunate that folks find it necessary to create user-trails. It's a terrible waste of our time to deal with them but have a duty to do so. Perhaps you heard of the SAR that happened in late August which was a direct result of a user getting lost on a user trail out there? Conversly, if you work with us, we can make those trails happen in a manner that we're not working against each other. I am currently working on the NEPA to establish Three Bottles, the west boundary trail, a Pine Flat/Oak Flat connector and some others as official NFS trails. It may not happen on your timeframe but it is happening and every day we spend dealing with stuff people make on their own without consultation with us, is one day less we can move forward with trails planning and implementation. I think I've made a decend impression on folks that we're here to create a better trail system but there's still a few that are doing their own thing and that limits our progress.
    So here's the question for you and the rest of the Bando Gang (including Knombrar W/AK)... when are you folks gonna stop building bootleg trails that are not really that well built, come in from the cold and start working with Kerry in a meaningful way to create the types of trails you are looking for?

    I think Sandia Mountain would be a great place for you folks to get organized and "official" and start creating some REAL freeride terrain!

    Then again, maybe you'd just like to hang out on MTBR and bash me. Your choice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Well Aaron, I'm not sure what being a good "wrench" has to do with being a good trailbuilder, but you obviously can make some correlation, and as far as me being a benchmark of NM Mt. Biking, I don't think that's ever been and objective of mine...

    No the issue is exactly as Kerry quotes here;



    So here's the question for you and the rest of the Bando Group (including Knombrar W/AK)... when are you folks gonna stop building bottleg trails that are not really that well built, come in from the cold and start working with Kerry in a meaningfful way to create the types of trails you are looking for?

    I think Sandia Moutnain would be a great place for you folks to get organized and "official" and start creating some REAL freeride terrain!

    Then again, maybe you'd just like to hang out on MTBR and bash me. Your choice!
    "meaningful?"

    What ever do you mean, dugo?

    So people can get some sort of perspective regarding 'properly built trails,' please indicate what it is about 3B's that gets your goat?

    The Sandias is generally too steep for a freeride bike to climb up, and the Bruzo's have been approached MANY times and just aren't really that interested, but maybe that will change with a few more "slow" seasons, though (although, I would not wish that at this point. It could be bad for everyone). Besides, there are already DH trails over there, and it can get quite crowded depending on the day. Otero, by far, is the most conducive to "free ride" activities, IMO.

    BTW...it's really hard to tell when you are serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    Three bottles was pretty poorly built by some one who didn't have a lot of experience (AKA "amateur") at building trails. No more no less.
    This is coming from a guy that can't even clean the 3 inch step-up at the top of Tunnero,I can see how you can hate 3 bottles
    I kindda wonder if you are the guy breaking the rocks at the SFH cus come to think about it, all the rocks were sticking about 3 inches off the ground
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat View Post
    So here's the question for you and the rest of the Bando Gang (including Knombrar W/AK)... when are you folks gonna stop building bootleg trails that are not really that well built, come in from the cold and start working with Kerry in a meaningful way to create the types of trails you are looking for?
    I would like to know where the "Bando gang" is building trails on NF land.

    Also, you might be surprised to find that the "Bando gang" is not responsible for all rogue trails or features.
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    Doug mad because someone stacked rocks in front a fell tree and cleaned it.
    Intolerance Doug. 3Bs is a great trail with a bit of tech. We dont hate the jeep roads you climb all summer, why hate what others like?

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