Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 91
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    584

    Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    I can't believe how many formerly "technical" sections of Cottonwood are gone now; sections where I loved testing my self and my bike. The most recent was a rock outcrop on Landmine about 1/2 mile past the dump if you go counter clockwise. I don't understand why someone would go to all that trouble for a section that was not too tough, and not even close to dangerous. I loved clearing the up, especially on my single speed, and jumping over it going the other way. How much longer will we have BFR? Thankfully we have people there destroying all of the cheater lines that go around it. The first few "technical" sections that were removed were disapointing, but what we have now versus five years ago and beyond is ridiculous. Major bummer!!

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    64
    Unfortunately, this is something we probably will have to deal with all the time. They do it as "trail maintenance". It's very different moving loose rock or other debris compared to digging up buried rocks to make the trail smoother. If they want smooth, they should stick to an asphalt trail, but there is no reasoning with them. sigh

  3. #3
    desert dweller
    Reputation: mattbikeboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,643
    Problem with moving those rocks aside from the annoyance is that the rocks inhibit erosion events. Now the water can run smoothly down the trail. Boneheads trail helpers.

    MBB

  4. #4
    The Hutch
    Reputation: rob1208lv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,267
    Who ever is doing this needs to stop right now. SNMBA do you guys know who is doing this? can you put it out there to stop?
    follow me
    on FB @hutchsbicyclegarage
    on instagram @hutchsbicyclegarage
    and @robbhutch
    on twitter
    @RobertEHutch

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    333
    Could someone post pics of the areas that have been affected? I rode landmine loop the other day but didn't notice where the trail modifications had been done (landmine loop is not my usual route).

  6. #6
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790
    Landmine loop is a very good example if you are coming back to Blue Diamond Clockwise there were some rocks that required some ability to clear and now that whole section is like a freaking freeway all flat and smooth that job took sometime and tools and it sucks.
    So we just have to keep going higher and higher to stay away from the smooth trails. Have you ride The Hurl lately?
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    584
    Someone put a huge rock right in the middle of the trail very close to the spot I mentioned above. I think it was an attempt to make that section technical again, but it was a horrible job. This rock must have taken a couple of guys a lot of effort to get there. It is now off the trail.

  8. #8
    Professional Slacker
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    2,322
    Word is that this is happening at Cowboy now and it needs to stop, wherever it's being done.

    Everything out there is ridable to someone, if you can't clean it, it's not the trail, it's you.

  9. #9
    JKA
    JKA is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: JKA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    197
    Some people will only be happy when all the trails are graded and paved. If you don't like a trail because it's too difficult, ride another trail. There are plenty of smooth trails at Cottonwood that anyone can ride. We can rant all we want here, but it won't stop the problem. Short of posting guards and firing a couple of warning shots, I don't know what else would work.

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation: knoob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    609

    Re: Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    These are warnig shots! Have you heard of "the scarecrow effect"?

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    79
    The sad thing is these asshats really think they're providing a public service.

  12. #12
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790

    Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    IMHO Just get out there and build more trails with more technical difficulties to counteract.
    Problem solved.
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  13. #13
    Big B's Trails
    Reputation: ImaFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,724
    Anyone and I mean anyone that has any desire to put in work on a trail... Please, for the love of God .... Do it on Bonnie n Clyde!!! That trail is going to be gone soon......if we don't use it(add to it )!!!
    Last edited by ImaFred; 04-08-2013 at 07:25 PM.
    I dig dirt!

  14. #14
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790
    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    Anyone and I mean anyone that has any desire to put in work on a trail... Please, for the love of God .... Do it on Bonnie n Clyde!!! That trail is going to be gone soon......if we don't use it!!!
    BTW Right now could be the best time of the year to be ridding it or working on it.
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation: nelsonccc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    273
    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    Anyone and I mean anyone that has any desire to put in work on a trail... Please, for the love of God .... Do it on Bonnie n Clyde!!! That trail is going to be gone soon......if we don't use it(add to it )!!!
    If I could ever figure out where the damn thing is I'd be game to ride/improve it.

  16. #16
    Big B's Trails
    Reputation: ImaFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,724
    It's there if you look....... really, really hard!!!
    I dig dirt!

  17. #17
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790

    Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    I can provide you some gpx files so that you can follow it.
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  18. #18
    mtbr member
    Reputation: knoob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    609

    Re: Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    Give me a link or date so i can find it on strava.

  19. #19
    Big B's Trails
    Reputation: ImaFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    1,724
    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    I can provide you some gpx files so that you can follow it.
    Carlos,
    Ill take a copy of your gpx files for it. I'd like to see if I remembered everything, correctly.
    B
    I dig dirt!

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation: nelsonccc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    273

    Re: Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    I'll ride it this weekend if you can get me a file.
    Thx.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    Beefcake. BEEFCAKE.

  21. #21
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790

    Bonnie & Clyde

    Go ride it guys with this weather it's stupid not to, I wish I could join you.
    Once you are at the end of the loop before you start to come back you can just take the fire road all the way to Goodsprings have lunch and some beers at the bar and then ride back that is one of my favorite epic rides.
    P.D. One of the most appealing features of this trail, at least to me is the fact that you start it with a3 mile fast downhill run as a warm up and then it ends with another 3 mile downhill back to the parking lot. I attached the .gpx file and the link is the epic ride to Goodsprings.
    Here is also a link to the full Bonnie & Clyde with Goodsprings. Bonnie & Clyde to Goodsprings - Cottonwood Valley, Las Vegas, NV by carmaleon at Garmin Connect - Details
    Attached Files Attached Files
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation: nelsonccc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    273
    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    Go ride it guys with this weather it's stupid not to, I wish I could join you.
    Once you are at the end of the loop before you start to come back you can just take the fire road all the way to Goodsprings have lunch and some beers at the bar and then ride back that is one of my favorite epic rides.
    P.D. One of the most appealing features of this trail, at least to me is the fact that you start it with a3 mile fast downhill run as a warm up and then it ends with another 3 mile downhill back to the parking lot. I attached the .gpx file and the link is the epic ride to Goodsprings.
    Here is also a link to the full Bonnie & Clyde with Goodsprings. Bonnie & Clyde to Goodsprings - Cottonwood Valley, Las Vegas, NV by carmaleon at Garmin Connect - Details
    Thanks. I'll be sure to check it out.

  23. #23
    The Hutch
    Reputation: rob1208lv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,267
    I'll be happy to do a group ride on Bonnie and springs next week some time.. PM if your interested and I'll put a ride together on the LVU
    follow me
    on FB @hutchsbicyclegarage
    on instagram @hutchsbicyclegarage
    and @robbhutch
    on twitter
    @RobertEHutch

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cairntipper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    10
    Bootleg has been getting wussified as well. This week West Leg has been the latest target. Big rocks have been removed and thrown down the hill. I like West Leg, there are parts I can't always clean. That doesn't mean that the trail should be brought down to my ability level, or the level of whoever is responsible. Does anyone have any info on who is doing this? My blood boils now, every time I ride this trail. I would LOVE to come up on this taking place. Bootleg is a city park and this is illegal, just like the signs say. Please be on the lookout if you ride Bootleg, let's try and prevent any more permanent damage to the trails in to which our dear departed friend Brent Thompson poured his heart!

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    107
    Agreed. It's crazy how all these trails are getting smoothed out by peeps. It really is ruining the trail systems. We need to put some game cams up and catch these idiots! They are obviously doing this when no one is around because they haven't been caught and beaten to death!!!

  26. #26
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790

    Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    ****ING HEY!
    Now someone made a ride around BFR.
    I trough some rocks back to block it.
    Next time you are around please help and do the same.
    Might even through in some cacti to discourage people to go that route.
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  27. #27
    mtbr member
    Reputation: nelsonccc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    273

    Re: Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    ****ING HEY!
    Now someone made a ride around BFR.
    I trough some rocks back to block it.
    Next time you are around please help and do the same.
    Might even through in some cacti to discourage people to go that route.
    What's BFR?

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    Beefcake. BEEFCAKE.

  28. #28
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790
    Big ****ing Rock
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  29. #29
    Young, Shawn Young
    Reputation: Redmon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    3,101
    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    ****ING HEY!
    Now someone made a ride around BFR.
    I trough some rocks back to block it.
    Next time you are around please help and do the same.
    Might even through in some cacti to discourage people to go that route.
    They have done this before. The good news is most of the newbs stay off the other new trail systems. I wish they never paved that damn lot!
    "Im just going to explore a little bit..."

    Dont make me be the bad guy...

    Do I need a pass to ride this trail?

  30. #30
    mtbr member
    Reputation: nelsonccc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    273

    Re: Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    Big ****ing Rock
    The one between Katie's lot and late night? I hope not. I remember the first time I cleared it going in and coming out !

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    Beefcake. BEEFCAKE.

  31. #31
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790

    Help!

    Please help me understand.... WHY? Is the "Great Basin" = "National Park Service" Cutting feet wide trenches perpendicular to the trails in order to act as drainage?
    Do you know if later on they are going to do something like put PVC or big rocks and then compact it again?
    And if so When?
    They have cut the same trenches in the "Three Mile Smile"`and they did nothing afterwards so now the trenches act like speed bumps on a perfect fast nice smooth trail.
    So not only they are not getting fix in a timely manner but I rode CW on Saturday and it's ridiculous how close to each other this trenches are I had to slow down to keep bunny hoping them because there's one every 1 yard or so.
    Are they converting CW in to a CX track or something?
    Is this part of a really SLOW undergoing GOVERNMENT project?

    I don't get it
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    584
    The trenches are unfortunately the "fix" to a non-existant water problem, and we will be left with hundreds of speed bumps out there.

  33. #33
    desert dweller
    Reputation: mattbikeboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,643
    The new trenches are a retarded attempt by an idiot to solve a non-problem! Stop, you are hurting the trails and not helping. I don't know what pathetic thought got in your head that digging trenches in the trail was a smart thing! I was really pissed off when I saw all the trenches on Landmine last week. For the love of God --- Stop!!!!!!! These trail do occasionally wash out a bit when there is a heavy, heavy rain event. But washouts on Landmine are extremely rare, even when the rest of the trails have had some issues. Landmine will wash out now that rocks have been removed and some moron cut irrigation canals through the trail.

  34. #34
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790

    Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    FYI The Moron was "Great Basin Institute" they came all the way from Reno" hired by the BLM and paid by your TAX dollars to work on our trails. Here is their FB page. Let them know what you think, I did! https://www.facebook.com/GreatBasinInstitute?fref=ts
    Last edited by Camaleon; 05-22-2013 at 08:57 AM.
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  35. #35
    desert dweller
    Reputation: mattbikeboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,643
    Yes I found it last night and left a message on their Facebook page too. Which it looks like they deleted today! I guess we should all start leaving messages that they should learn proper trail maintenance techniques before they turn their helpers loose on the trail. I bet they are the ones that restored the Anthem Trails as well.

  36. #36
    desert dweller
    Reputation: mattbikeboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,643
    And they blocked me!!!!!!

    Let's all send some letters & emails and phone calls to them asking them to either learn proper trail maintenance techniques or stay off our trails.

    Jerry Keir
    Executive Director
    775.674.5495
    jkeir@thegreatbasininstitute.org

    Gwendolyn Bourne
    Associate Director
    775.674.5497
    gbourne@thegreatbasininstitute.org

    Terry Christopher
    Associate Director, Southern Nevada
    702.433.2600
    tchristopher@thegreatbasininstitute.org

    Mark Spencer
    BLM Red Rock/Sloan Field Office Field Manager
    (702) 515-5351
    m1spence@blm.gov

  37. #37
    Viva la Vida!
    Reputation: Camaleon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    790

    Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    :-)
    I do believe they are also the ones who fixed Anthem just like you mentioned.
    Since they have blocked you I suggest you keep spreading the voice all over the Internet and other mountain bike sites and make sure to show up to the next SNMBA meeting where supposedly the GBI manager will be to answer questions and address our concerns.
    "seeing is believing"
    Last edited by Camaleon; 05-23-2013 at 11:31 AM.
    We do not stop playing because we grow old;
    We grow old because we stop playing

  38. #38
    The Hutch
    Reputation: rob1208lv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,267
    I just Spread the word to everyone I know and asked them to email/FB message them ..
    follow me
    on FB @hutchsbicyclegarage
    on instagram @hutchsbicyclegarage
    and @robbhutch
    on twitter
    @RobertEHutch

  39. #39
    Young, Shawn Young
    Reputation: Redmon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    3,101
    Yea, mine were deleted as well. I guess the truth hurts.
    "Im just going to explore a little bit..."

    Dont make me be the bad guy...

    Do I need a pass to ride this trail?

  40. #40
    desert dweller
    Reputation: mattbikeboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    1,643
    It's sad, they are obviously excited about the work they do. They just don't have any training on effective trail maintenance. It would only take some lessons and common sense and they would be a benefit to the local trails.

    I don't blame them for the Anthem Closures -- that is 100% BLM and their inability to serve the local user base. If it's not their trail, it is unauthorized and will be reclaimed. I've worked enough with them to know the routine -- land managers are uninspired yahoos with little incentive to serve the local constituencies. They just fall back on the rules and regulations and don't care. We used to have Rec Planners that would try to understand the mountain bike communities needs and work with us to address those needs. Heck, we even had them coming out on their own time to help with our sanctioned and smart trail maintenance days. They didn't just turn a bunch of interns loose on the trails with a pulaski. We built the switchbacks into Red Canyon from the top of Badger with a bunch of management trainees-- but they had guidance from our group of experienced and trained trail builders.

    mbb

  41. #41
    Young, Shawn Young
    Reputation: Redmon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    3,101
    Whats really irritating is that instead of responding like an honest organization would they just choose to delete our comments and not bother to reply. How hard what it be to say "wow, we are really sorry at how things turned out and look forward to working with the locals and community leaders". Bunch of jokers.
    "Im just going to explore a little bit..."

    Dont make me be the bad guy...

    Do I need a pass to ride this trail?

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    584
    Why are all of the cool/fool/tool guys are still silent on this? Hello, McFly...

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    41
    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    FYI The Moron was "Great Basin Institute" they came all the way from Reno" hired by the BLM and paid by your TAX dollars to work on our trails. Here is their FB page. Let them know what you think, I did! https://www.facebook.com/GreatBasinInstitute?fref=ts
    When I was reading this thread, I was thinking "wow, that totally has GBI's signature" on the description of trail work. Sorry to hear they have infected your trails in the south too. It's a constant battle up here in Reno/Tahoe to keep up on fixing some of their sub-standard work. Several land managers here will no longer use their trail crews. I'm pretty sure GBI is aware that they do crappy work, so complaining to them probably won't do much. Why they are still using 30 year old trail techniques is beyond me. I'd recommend letting the land manager(s) know. Most land managers have a decent idea of trail standards. They're the ones doing the hiring. Maybe offer to form a volunteer group to organize and do the work. Many land managers hire them because its a labor source.
    Want more trails? Better trails? Join TAMBA!
    Tahoe Area Mountain Biking Association
    www.mountainbiketahoe.org

  44. #44
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    41
    Also, does anyone have any before and after pics of the sanitizing or even just after pics of their waterbars? That would be very helpful. I think it may be time to fight back statewide and see if we can't get trail standards tied into their trail grants. You can e-mail me at president [at] mountainbiketahoe [dot] org. Thanks.
    Want more trails? Better trails? Join TAMBA!
    Tahoe Area Mountain Biking Association
    www.mountainbiketahoe.org

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation: BigHit-Maniac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    686
    Cottonwood has become so damn smoothed out, that it might as well be a paved trail.

    BOOOOOORRRRIIINNNGGGG.
    You in Oklahoma City? If yes, come ride with us.

  46. #46
    \m/ \m/
    Reputation: Blade-Runner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    368
    Somebody saw today that some jerk offs have made a bypass around BFR but that somebody put up a wall to block off that bypass.
    13' Lynskey M290
    13' Venge Pro Force
    13' Crux Elite
    12' Co-Motion Speedster Tandem

  47. #47
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    167
    Time to bring out the cyclocross bike

    Cottonwood has been changed forever and for the worse. When I started mountain biking that is the first place I would go. I don't visit as much as I used to due to the fact that it is just too easy now and not enough challenges. I spend more time on BBT and Cowboy as they are much more challenging.

    It's too bad and I am hoping they don't make their way over to 3 mile smile.

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Motorider228's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    195
    I'm really surprised that no one on here has ever caught any of the guys doing this stuff. I don't get the mind set of trail sanitizers. There are obstacles I can't clear out there, but I try like hell every time!

  49. #49
    \m/ \m/
    Reputation: Blade-Runner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    368
    I'm guessing its the guys out there riding with flat pedals.
    13' Lynskey M290
    13' Venge Pro Force
    13' Crux Elite
    12' Co-Motion Speedster Tandem

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation: knoob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    609

    Re: Serious trail wussification at Cottonwood

    HEY.........I ride flat pedals!!!

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. little cottonwood canyon downhill trail
    By kasadude in forum Utah
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 05-04-2014, 11:36 AM
  2. What's good in Cottonwood?
    By Eazy_E in forum Arizona
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 05-01-2012, 10:49 PM
  3. Badger pass-Cottonwood trail AM 7-12-11
    By nelsonccc in forum Nevada
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-14-2011, 01:18 AM
  4. Best Cottonwood Loop
    By nelsonccc in forum Nevada
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 07-05-2011, 05:40 PM
  5. Little Cottonwood Creek (Quarry Trail)
    By NorwegianRepresentative in forum Utah
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 03-02-2011, 01:58 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •