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    Cottonwood Improvements

    Hey Guys - just wanted to toss this out there...

    If anyone has been out to Cottonwood (specifically the Red Valley area), I am sure you have noticed some serious trail improvements. Here was a quote from knoob on the "Rain, rain, go away" thread:

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    I was out there yesterday and the Gnomes have been hard at it !

    There is a "new" re-route at the top of Badger on the south side of the old trail (wash) that is much better than the first one.The one the N. side is just not that ride-able. I applaud their effort though.

    They also did a TON of WORK on Red Valley ! Like 40-50 or more MAN HOURS worth of work !

    So I just wanted to say THANK YOU!!!!
    Long story short, we've been working on getting donations from the community to pay for trail repairs after those nasty storms. The first round was strictly word of mouth- reaching out to friends and fellow riders. That has allowed us to pay a respectable trail builder to go out and do the work that you've seen and hopefully enjoyed.

    We'd love to keep the work going- but, we aren't able to continue paying out of our own pockets and we can only go back to the same wells so many times. The way I look at it, I typically ride Cottonwood anywhere from 1-4 x's per week... when I go snowboarding, I'll shell out $50-75 for a one day pass. I've never had to pay for all the enjoyment Cottonwood has given me, so donating some money to get things back to they way they were and even improved is the least I could do.

    Anyhow, I had wanted to reach out to the community and try gauge how many people would be willing to make donations before going through the brain damage and the process of setting everything up. Let me hear your thoughts!

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    First and foremost THANK YOU!
    I have a bunch of questions for you if you dont mind answering in public that will be great if not just PM me.
    How much you are paying to this "respectable builder". who is this "respectable builder" and what are his credentials and references, does he have experience building trails in the NV desert?
    How big is the crew and how do you get the BLM to let you work on the trails?

    Just some things that I will love to know out of curiosity.
    I can probably help with donations as well as with a hard working crew.
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    For a weeks worth of work (usually 40-50 hours) we're paying around $1500... that's for a crew of 2-3 guys.

    I'm hesitant to publicly state who's doing the repairs, but I can say with some degree of certainty that most people in Southern Nevada and/or Southern Utah will have ridden his handiwork... he has plenty of experience building trails out here.

    I can totally understand the trepidation of donating to a stranger on the internet - and please don't feel obligated to if you have any doubts. I'd only point to the work that has been done so far (red valley and some of Viagra)- that's about $3,000 raised between 9 guys.

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    I will try to sample some of his handy work tomorrow and decide then))
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    [QUOTE=Camaleon;9759992]
    How much you are paying to this "respectable builder". who is this "respectable builder" and what are his credentials and references, does he have experience building trails in the NV desert?
    How big is the crew and how do you get the BLM to let you work on the trails?
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    First, it's probably not enough.
    Second, the work they have done indicates they are respectable and experienced.
    Third, by the looks of the foot prints I saw on Tuesday only a couple in the crew.
    Last, probably the best way to get BLM to let you work on the trail, don't ask.

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    [QUOTELast, probably the best way to get BLM to let you work on the trail, don't ask][/QUOTE]

    You got that right!
    "Im just going to explore a little bit..."

    Dont make me be the bad guy...

    Do I need a pass to ride this trail?

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    I've Heard of who is doing the work, from one of the BIG donators. They are reputable.. my 2cents ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1208lv View Post
    I've Heard of who is doing the work, from one of the BIG donators. They are reputable.. my 2cents ..
    Agreed, their work looks vaguely familiar. Many thanks to those who will remain nameless.

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    Good to hear the work is being enjoyed and that it's appreciated!

    We plan on continuing the work as long as we have the funds to do so... our hope is that the community will recognize the value and consider donating so we can work on making this sustainable. I might have been a bit premature in throwing out the request, but keep an eye on the trails and keep the idea in the back of your mind.

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    Will it be to much to ask to leave tools out there for some of us that will gladly also stop anytime we ride by and volunteer sometime if there were tools right there ready to use.
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    Thank you...

    I just wanted to say that we contributed because the builders are good and no one is getting anything out of this other than improving the trails for all of us. LV needs to get better organized and supporting an effort like this is paramount to that process.

    Please kick in.

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    Id be curious to see how the trails are holding up today...anyone going out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcall8 View Post
    Id be curious to see how the trails are holding up today...anyone going out?

    Ike n I might...you interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mennylove View Post
    Ike n I might...you interested?
    Yeah...I brought my bike to work and was planning on a rain ride later. I think I should be able to leave work around 4. My office is about 10 minutes from cottonwood.

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    Wish I could go out... Rear shock is being rebuilt :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3M TA3 View Post
    Wish I could go out... Rear shock is being rebuilt :-(
    Therein lies the problem...a rear shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mennylove View Post
    Therein lies the problem...a rear shock.
    Touche...

    Anyone heading up this afternoon to Cottonwood, please be careful with the trails... if it looks too muddy, just use some discipline and stay off for the time being. It looks like the rains have been hitting the NW the hardest, so I would hope we're getting just enough water to seat things in and harden everything up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3M TA3 View Post
    Touche...

    Anyone heading up this afternoon to Cottonwood, please be careful with the trails... if it looks too muddy, just use some discipline and stay off for the time being. It looks like the rains have been hitting the NW the hardest, so I would hope we're getting just enough water to seat things in and harden everything up.

    Agreed. After seeing how much water came down today we were thinking Bootleg as it seems to suffer the least when the rains come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mennylove View Post
    Agreed. After seeing how much water came down today we were thinking Bootleg as it seems to suffer the least when the rains come.
    BBT seems to do alright as well...

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    I hope the trails hold up ok. A storm was passing over the south side of cottonwood a few minutes ago. The skies were as black as Ive ever seen out here. Normally I would drive over there and check it out but it looked nasty.
    "Im just going to explore a little bit..."

    Dont make me be the bad guy...

    Do I need a pass to ride this trail?

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    Have you tried the shoe and digging rock option?

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    I went out today and it was nasty. I left my car at Katie's Lot around 4:30 with no rain. 15 minutes later I was caught in plenty of hail and flooding. Dumb on my part, I guess I thought that it had passed for enough time to get a quick ride in. As soon as the hail started coming I turned around to head back. I got as far as the switchbacks above BFR. On the way back all of the trails were rivers with about 4-6 inches of water running in them. You couldn't see trail. It will be interesting to see if the work that has been done held up. You can see my route in the link below:

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    I got a chance to go out and ride badger pass and red valley yesterday and check out the trail work that has been done. Excellent work by the builders and I plan on contributing some cash to the cause. It did not appear that the last storm that we had did any damage to the work that has been done. I rode red valley shortly after the big storm that did all of the damage and the trail was a mess. It now rides great. Its not exactly the same as it was before but it was super fun to ride. in addition I noticed 3 new sections of trail or re-routes. 2 are at the top of badger pass just before you reach the switchbacks that take you down into red valley. These were built very well and were fun to ride and are bench cut a few feet above the wash that we use to ride up so they should be more sustainable. The 3rd section was right after you come out of red valley and head back towards white rhino. There was another short bench cut section that keeps you out of the gravel wash that adds flow to the section. I think its def worth chipping in with some cash.

    On another note, I noticed as I was climbing up badger pass that the trail would be super fun if the gravel was raked out. There is good hard packed single track under the loose stuff. I think that it would have great flow and be pretty fun if it was cleaned up just a little. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    Will it be to much to ask to leave tools out there for some of us that will gladly also stop anytime we ride by and volunteer sometime if there were tools right there ready to use.
    I started to rake out badger pass from the bottom and I have left the rake next to the trail. I plan on taking 15-20 minutes out of my ride when I climb badger pass to clean out the gravel. If anyone would like to help that would be great. Just keep moving the rake up the trail.
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    Ran into the trail gnomes today, they were working toward Wilson's tank overlook. On my way back I donated them some beer money seemed very appreciative. It wasn't much, it was all I had on me though.

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