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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    While most of us on here have been riding for many of years we need to also promote newbies by cleaning trails. The clean trails will provide a nice ride for newbs and a faster trail for those of us that like to lay down the hammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I do not mind people developing a so called "FLOW", but lets face it a nice smooth trail is a lot less dangerous and more fun for even the newest of riders. While most of us on here have been riding for many of years we need to also promote newbies by cleaning trails. The clean trails will provide a nice ride for newbs and a faster trail for those of us that like to lay down the hammer. So you say BUILD THEM well I am and I hope I can get some help out there getting some of those nasty rocks off the trail, dig em up and move em out. For those that like the rocks well they can ride along the side of the trail and go through all of my moved rocks.
    If you need smooth easy trails, go to late night, live the hard trails the way they are, that will make you a better rider, not just a poser with the latest 29er, besides isn't it the whole point of riding a 29? It goes easier over obstacles?

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    troll..

    good reason to start BBT thread V2.
    This MUST be a joke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by E ! View Post
    good reason to start BBT thread V2.
    This MUST be a joke?
    Troll, no feed

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    A joke?

    Sorry if I a few peeps see things differently than I do. I have been reading these thread for many of years and never posted because nothing has caught my attention as much as this specific one. What the heck so just because someone has a different opinion than a few of you guys I am now a troll and a jerk, typical most people always use appeal to the stick arguments probably mostly uneducated peeps, well I have an education and know how to ride a bike so I will continue to ride and educate people, in the mean time those that want to help me clear trail will and those that wont will reap the benefits of us doing so.

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    There's always going to be that one (insert adjective!) who can't play well with others! So he takes his ball and goes home, just to ruin the game for everyone else..!

    So let's say you happen to ride a decent which you deem too steep for your riding "skills"! Do you intend on flattening it out to suit your liking??? Good luck with that...!

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    Despite all this talk of dumbing down, I found the little "up" after descending beginning hill (Heart Attack,I think), when traveling clockwise, to be MORE DIFFICULT, as this had been modified. Had to change my line on the fly due to missing rocks at bottom of ramp. Other than that and the psychological boost I had when riding the "modified " ledge counterclockwise (which was psychologically sketchy before), I didn't see much change. I do agree that the 29erForLife guy should leave changes to builders, or buy a road bike.
    These trail builders have greatly improved Vegas mtnbiking by creating this urban trail. Again my hat is off to the BBT buildeers!
    Now if they could install a giant fan....and temp controlled dome...

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    Cool-blue Rhythm The definition of forums

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    Forum trolls are users that repeatedly and deliberately breach the netiquette of an established online community, posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages to bait or excite users into responding or to test the forum rules and policies, and with that the patience of the forum staff. Their provocative behavior may potentially start flame wars (see below) or other disturbances. Responding to a troll's provocations is commonly known as 'feeding the troll' and is generally discouraged, as it can encourage their disruptive behavior

    This is the definition of a Troll, well that and some of the women I have seen when the lights go on in the strip club. I am not going off topic, or being inflammatory or extraneous, I was merely posting my views of this trail and how I would like it to be in the near future . As for the Obstacle that WingForward was speaking of I would never go Up that I just hop it going down. Look peeps give me a break I am just trying to make one trail better for the masses.

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    I think the message is "WE" like the trail as is. Some of us have been riding it from day 1.
    "WE" would ask that you not modify it to your liking, but listen to the "Community" i.e. EVERYONE that rides it,i.e.WE.
    It would seem at this point the community members who have expressed their views do not agree with your view point.
    It is a community built trail that we prefer to be left as is.

    Thank you for your input and enjoy this "community" trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    For those that like the rocks well they can ride along the side of the trail and go through all of my moved rocks.
    Please dont let me see you out there doing this on the BBT or any other established trail that YOU did not build. NOONE would consider this trail improvement.

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    I like riding over rocks. Makes it more fun.

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    Yes bootleg is a fun downhill

    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.
    youve got a 29er...those things roll over everything right???? how fast do you plan on going? and its not like its that long, any faster and you'll be down it way too fast and have to climb out again. Why dont you do up the mountain and make a trail there....that would serve much better.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.

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    Yes 29er rolls over everything

    Yes 29er's roll over everything, but a lot of people have been switching to the 650B which are not good for rocks and some of the obstacles bcall. Is anyone doing cottonwood saturday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    Yes 29er's roll over everything, but a lot of people have been switching to the 650B which are not good for rocks and some of the obstacles bcall. Is anyone doing cottonwood saturday?
    I guess you are right.....the last time that I was out on the BBT my 26inch bike started smoking like it was ready to spontaneously combust. It was probably the fact that I was going over 20mph down Dos Amigos (which is not a speed trail, 20mph is way too fast for that trail under its current condition) and had to dodge all of those rocks. The bike obviously didnít like it and was trying to tell me something. Come to think of it, this thread has made me realize that I should buy a road bike and stick to the pavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    Yes 29er's roll over everything, but a lot of people have been switching to the 650B which are not good for rocks and some of the obstacles bcall. Is anyone doing cottonwood saturday?
    hahaha so stupid is kind of funny........

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    I hope that you are also well aware that riding with out a helmet will also make YOU smarter and faster Vegas29
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    optimal conditions now, pack 'er down!

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    I rode Bear today for first Tim in a long time. It was superb! I'm gonna ride it more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas29er4Life View Post
    I often drive up to bootleg but it is entirely too far to go all of the time for some speed riding, I go up there during interbike as well. If any of you have not been to interbike you should try and get some tickets it is well worth the effort. The only bad thing is you get a lot of peeps from other places that do not know the trails up there and it gets dangerous. We need a speed trail closer to Vegas and I am not completely changing the Dos Amigos, rather just modifing it a bit to make it more speed compatable, there will still be the usual obstacles, just minus a few rocks here and there. I think when I get done many of you will want to sit down and enjoy a beer with me I'm sure. (p.s.) I know most of you are scared of change and they should rename the trail iBBT so the sheep can stay status quo for all of the iPEOPLE.
    I will say this to you only one time.... Not a threat, more of a warning shot across your bow.... Do not let me catch "you" altering the trail you will not like the way I act when it happens, countless hours of blood, sweat, and yes beers went into making this system( none of them by you, I know this for a FACT) and I and others are a bit protective of it.... Take it for what it is ....and if you want to see how to ride it fast ...I'd be more than happy to show you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    I will say this to you only one time.... Not a threat, more of a warning shot across your bow.... Do not let me catch "you" altering the trail you will not like the way I act when it happens, countless hours of blood, sweat, and yes beers went into making this system( none of them by you, I know this for a FACT) and I and others are a bit protective of it.... Take it for what it is ....and if you want to see how to ride it fast ...I'd be more than happy to show you!

    Now that the trailbuilder has spoken...JUST LEAVE THE TRAILS AS THEY BE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertDog View Post
    Now that the trailbuilder has spoken...JUST LEAVE THE TRAILS AS THEY BE!
    ..........and he is not alone!!

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    Let me know if you need a wingman!!

    BTW, trail was awesome after the rains!

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    Me too I love dirt so quit packing it down . Nothing better than speeding down a loose fast trail without rocks. Does anyone listen to some tunes like me while they ride? If so list yo bands. Me I like Audioslave and Korn.

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    Also just because someone claims to have built the trail does not mean its its the case, I helped build a lot of that trail IMAFred and DesertDog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I rode BBT for the first time a few days ago and I got to say what a great trail system!!!!
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    Anyone know how much further they are going to scrape (pave?) the road near the flood basin?

    Also - anyone know why rocks (and broom?!?) were added and just as quickly removed in the last few days to the trails? Didn't know if someone was setting up a course for a race or something? Just ended up rolling over what appeared to be blocked off sections to do my thing on the trail anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdk89135 View Post
    Anyone know how much further they are going to scrape (pave?) the road near the flood basin?

    Also - anyone know why rocks (and broom?!?) were added and just as quickly removed in the last few days to the trails? Didn't know if someone was setting up a course for a race or something? Just ended up rolling over what appeared to be blocked off sections to do my thing on the trail anyway.
    do you have any pics of this?

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    Sorry, didn't think to stop and take pics.

    Didn't even see the broom out there today. It was placed to block off the second half of the original trail. I didn't really see any directional or blocking rocks out there today, either except at the end of aydenator, but I wasn't sure if they had always been there.

    I'll ride the trail again tomorrow to see what's up and snap some pics if anything seems out of place.

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    Don't think they'll ever pave any further and I don't think the rocks &broom are anything to be concerned about either.


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    I drove by "the gate" where we have been parking and noticed that they have placed about 10 "NO PARKING" signs.
    So PLEASE don't park there.
    There is always RC Wileys OR may I suggest Mesa Park. It's less than a mile farther down Town Center, just past Tropicana.
    You can start there and not ride ANY pavement. You'll ride dirt up to the Flood Basin,down it to the road then right into the wash that Dos Amigos empties into.
    You can either climb up DOS, or take G-MONEY southbound.
    It will not only give you a new route but a parking lot,Bathrooms& water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knoob View Post
    I drove by "the gate" where we have been parking and noticed that they have placed about 10 "NO PARKING" signs.
    So PLEASE don't park there.
    There is always RC Wileys OR may I suggest Mesa Park. It's less than a mile farther down Town Center, just past Tropicana.
    You can start there and not ride ANY pavement. You'll ride dirt up to the Flood Basin,down it to the road then right into the wash that Dos Amigos empties into.
    You can either climb up DOS, or take G-MONEY southbound.
    It will not only give you a new route but a parking lot,Bathrooms& water.
    maybe we should cut some single track from mesa park to the bottom of g money and dos amigos.....

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    Soon(relative term) there should be a paved road, parking & bathrooms right at the bottom of that detention basin if the county gets their project in gear
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    That would rock. I was out there today and had a great ride. Wow how it's changed in 3 months. We need to get the weenies off the trail. It's sad to see all the bypasses becoming the main routes.

    Also, when did they get rid of the stanchions at the entrance to the service road?
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    Just picked up my first mountain bike 2 months ago, and just wanted to come on here and say THANK YOU for building these amazing trails. I enjoy it more and more each time i go out.

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    just read the whole tread and it just make me more stoked to move back to vegas i been riding out here in el paso , its a good time but i just spent time watching your guy videos and pics and it looks sick cant wait to ride it

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Bears Best Parking

    OK..So I'm brand new here and pretty brand new to MTB. What I am about to query here is likely to be unpopular. I rode Bears Best yesterday and it's F'n great! Thanks to whoever worked to put these trails up. I have been here twice before: Once to check it out, Once to ride. All three time the poles that would block the "Gate" are not up allowing vehicle access to the paved road back to the start at the cement wash. There are no signs saying I should not enter...I see this as an open invitation. I drive my truck to the start of the trail and park in a spot in the dirt parking area. Had a bunch of fun riding then leave. Is this wrong? Should I not drive my truck back into that area? In my mind it is much better than parking at the small "Gate" area. There is plenty of room to park vehicles in past the pavement. Just asking...am I not with the program.
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    DO NOT GO PAST THE POLES!!!!

    You ARE NOT an authorized vehicle.

    Those are only down to allow them(county) access to do repairs to the flood basins and channels.

    You could find yourself locked in!

    If you do park there,street side of the poles,stay to one side so if needed they could access it.

    You can park at either RcWiley's or better yet at Mesa Park. It's just a little further down Town Center.
    From Mesa you don't have to ride ANY pavement.

    Welcome.....enjoy the trails, but please don't go past the poles.

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    I kinda figured I shouldn't drive in there. I'll ride in for now on. Thanks for the reply. I've been reading posts here and disagree with anyone making changes to the trails. I have only been riding for several months and can make most of the challenges out there...and appreciate the ones I can't (for now). My Girlfriend can make a lot of the challenges out there and rides less than me. Any Gumby that feels the need to make it easier or safer should stay home and ride the culdesac. Kudos to the trail builders out there and pray they never start building homes in that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoob View Post
    DO NOT GO PAST THE POLES!!!!

    You ARE NOT an authorized vehicle.

    Those are only down to allow them(county) access to do repairs to the flood basins and channels.

    You could find yourself locked in!

    If you do park there,street side of the poles,stay to one side so if needed they could access it.

    You can park at either RcWiley's or better yet at Mesa Park. It's just a little further down Town Center.
    From Mesa you don't have to ride ANY pavement.

    Welcome.....enjoy the trails, but please don't go past the poles.

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    I was out at Bears Best on Christmas Day with my GF and have four things to note:

    1) Had a great ride once again.

    2) The poles that were removable for those that chose to drive in are now not removable without a key. No more questions on that subject.

    3) Some riders have been leaving tubes along side the trail - c'mon children, pick up after yourselves.

    4) Some goober was out "cleaning" the trail with a rake. He was not only brushing aside loose rocks on the trail but removing embedded rock as well. Being new to this sport I was unsure what to do (Perhaps it is one of the trail developers doing routine maintenance?). In hindsight I think it was just some wannabe trail guru (Vegas29er4Life?) causing damage to an otherwise great trail. By removing embedded rock it causes further erosion to the trail only to expose more embedded rock after a few rains. You can dig down a 100' - there will still be embedded rock. By removing material from the trail you are causing trenching which I noticed is already worsened by your "improvements" and will surely accelerate with future rainfalls. I'm a noob to MTB and am sure your vast knowledge of trail building and maintenance far surpasses my own. But I do have a solid understanding of natural resource ethics. As well I have a great appreciation of the natural terrain in our area. I believe I can speak for the majority when I say leave the trail alone. The next time I see you out digging at the trail I won't refrain from having a one on one with you about this. I will as well post a picture of you on this forum for others to laugh at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 702Biff View Post
    I was out at Bears Best on Christmas Day with my GF and have four things to note:

    Some wannabe (Vegas29er4Life?) I will as well post a picture of you on this forum for others to laugh at.
    Please.....please do!

    I also noticed a couple pvssy go around lines that I blocked off were unblocked. I re-blocked em.

    Learn to ride or walk em!!!!!

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    BB at night

    Nice trail. After talking with someone about trail at work I decided to try it out and well done for the builders. Lots of fun and has a good mix of rolling/mild tech/speed. Great views of the city at night as well.

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    I'm driving down from St. George tomorrow and would like to ride this or any other trail down there.
    I will be leaving early in the morning so if there is anyone that wants to show me this trail, just let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 702Biff View Post
    Some goober was out "cleaning" the trail with a rake. I believe I can speak for the majority when I say leave the trail alone.
    I'm sort of disappointed - was hoping to invoke a response from someone explaining their actions. After all...you had the balls to do the deed, why not stand up & defend?

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    Just did this trail the past two days. Totally fun! Reminds me of some of the trails in Loma/Kokopelli in Fruita... Good job guys!

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    Rode it for the first time Saturday. Kept hearing how great it was. I like it as a diversion from Cottonwood but was a little disappointed in how much it snakes back on itself. There are several places where you are going one way and your buddy ahead of you by 100 yards in coming right back at you. Didn't really have that 'out there' away from it all feeling.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I'll take the great trail that someone else has put in any day. Just wish it was a bit more 'stretched out'. So anyways.....

    I was looking at google earth this morning and there looks to be more heading west from the start. Not sure if it's being built and off limits or if it's completed and just not showing up on the June 2012 imagery. I'd love to help complete it and or try my hand at adding a portion. Not sure what the protocol is on that.

    The image shows the normal trail, as i understand it, in purple. The new, looks to be anyways, in pink. And the yellow is showing what a possible larger expansion to the west would look like. I'd like to go out and hike thru this area and maybe make some GPS notes on possibilities. Then map it out and start adding....

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    The existing system snakes back on itself so much because the space is very limited: the current trail does not touch any BLM-owned land. If you extend the trail, you will be on BLM land and likely be in hot-water with the BLM. This is why BBT is considered finished as is.

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    Wheel-Addict beat me to it.

    What doesn't show up in the sat images is the fence that the PINK is behind.
    That's the BLM's boundry fence.

    The Pink is actually old ST that was abandoned when the fence went up.

    You could probably ride that side on the old moto tracks but I WOULD NOT disturb any resource,ie dirt, that the BLM would want to charge you to RESTORE!

    So yea BBT is built out,But when the Southwest Ridge Park moves along we should get more area to legally build new trail.

    Hope that helps.

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    Certainly not trying to ruffle feathers. But from the attached map it would seem that the real issue isn't BLM but the dashed red line that indicates the Red Rock Conservation area. However my understanding is that Cottonwood was kind of just being built up and then finally adopted by the BLM and Red Rock. The entire Cottonwood system is essentially on BLM and Redrock as well.

    From what I can tell the BBT is already on BLM/govt land. The attached images show the extent of private property and BLM land at the BBT. In fact the only place I would say not to build trail is the howard hughes owned land shown in BLM2. BLM3 shows that the parcel in magenta is all BLM land already. BLM4 shows the updated extent of the redrock conservation area.

    Like I said I'm just trying to understand the logic of not adding anymore trail. If the argument is that adding trail to the west puts it on BLM land then it's too late. The whole thing is already on BLM land. If anything I would say the trail needs to grow south to become even more connected to what will eventually be a bigger park (the green in BLM4) and that parking at the gate or anywhere along the private property will eventually get us in trouble more than anything else. When I go back tonight to ride it again I'll be parking at the Mesa park as recommended earlier in the thread.

    Truly I just want to see the best possible trail out there and I'm willing to help, even if that means adding to it myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knoob View Post
    Wheel-Addict beat me to it.

    What doesn't show up in the sat images is the fence that the PINK is behind.
    That's the BLM's boundry fence.

    The Pink is actually old ST that was abandoned when the fence went up.

    You could probably ride that side on the old moto tracks but I WOULD NOT disturb any resource,ie dirt, that the BLM would want to charge you to RESTORE!

    So yea BBT is built out,But when the Southwest Ridge Park moves along we should get more area to legally build new trail.

    Hope that helps.
    Yeah, I saw the fence, but the fence as far as i can is the red rock boundary and not the BLM boundary since the GIS data is showing the whole BBT on BLM but not red rock conservation land. Which is good cause there are portions of the BBT that are on pvt property and probably the most at risk. So if the BLM land is open to trail (which they must be since the BBT is already there) then what is the issue of adding more BBT trail to BLM land as long as we avoid red rock area?

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    If you goto the county's site snd look at a parcrel map BBT is entirely on private property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoob View Post
    If you goto the county's site snd look at a parcrel map BBT is entirely on private property.
    I've been using the CCBD GIS mapper to gather my data. In my experience it's usually pretty dead on regarding property lines, zoning, and ownership.

    If you compare the two attached images you'll see the yellow parcel line running north and south at the end of the development. Pretty mucheverything to the left of the houses is Parcel 16422 and owned by the BLM/Govt. Everything to the right, as far as the BBT is concerned, is private property (parcel 16423). This is also confirmed by the image posted in my previous post that shows the larger view of property ownership in the area with a pretty much straight line north/south as the boundary between private and govt.

    So it looks like the first 3.9 miles headed west out of the development is on BLM and then everything east of there is private. It's possible that there is a Clark county flood control easement on the BLM land but that's not really regarded as private either and would most definitely not extend out of the drainage's. I think the fence line is actually the Red Rock Conservation limits and not a delineation between private and govt land. If you look closely at the red rock map boundary you can see the jogs at the BBT, in particular the rectangle that sticks into the BBT. Which is most certainly not private property. I've marked up the attached image to show this.

    Again, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind limiting the trail system at its current layout.
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    I would suggest not going into RR NCA, which is the other side of the fence, it will not be a pleasant experience.
    That's all I have to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoob View Post
    I would suggest not going into RR NCA, which is the other side of the fence, it will not be a pleasant experience.
    That's all I have to say about it.
    Thanks and I definitely agree. I've heard all sorts of stories about the Hitler-esque nature of the RR NCA. I've dealt with them a few times regarding architectural projects and they are a bit over the top.

    When I'm out there tonight I'll pay more attention to the fence line to get an idea of the potential limitations of the Red Rock line vs the BBT.

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    I went and checked this out today.

    Unfortunately I thought the long-haul up the paved trail was just too annoying for me....call me lazy. I want to park in the dirt, ride a trail, and go home. I also did not like being so close to peoples homes, I felt like I was invading their privacy by staring right into their backyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalebR View Post
    I went and checked this out today.

    Unfortunately I thought the long-haul up the paved trail was just too annoying for me....call me lazy. I want to park in the dirt, ride a trail, and go home. I also did not like being so close to peoples homes, I felt like I was invading their privacy by staring right into their backyard.
    The long haul is just over a mile....on pavement....not that long. But you could always ride the ridge (dirt) back to the water basin. Or you can start at Mesa Park and get to the trail from the backside. Once on the trail you are not close to any homes.....of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcall8 View Post
    The long haul is just over a mile....on pavement....not that long. But you could always ride the ridge (dirt) back to the water basin. Or you can start at Mesa Park and get to the trail from the backside. Once on the trail you are not close to any homes.....of people.
    I'll try it again some time. I'm still new and the hills were just too much for me at this point. I was pretty tired just going up all of that pavement lol.

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    Went out again last night and it's a lot different at night that is for sure. There was no one else out there and you can't really tell that you're doing so much doubling back in the dark. Really enjoyed myself. Saw three foxes. Kind of creepy to see those glowing orbs floating above the ground.

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    Nelsonccc... Are you member of SNMBA? Enthusiastic trail riders, stewards & builders are always welcome. We'e got some great projects we're working on. Come to REI / Henderson tonight and introduce yourself. Or join us on the 19th to ride Coyote Springs. Or come to our upcoming 'trail care' class and workshop at Red Rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluejudad View Post
    Nelsonccc... Are you member of SNMBA? Enthusiastic trail riders, stewards & builders are always welcome. We'e got some great projects we're working on. Come to REI / Henderson tonight and introduce yourself. Or join us on the 19th to ride Coyote Springs. Or come to our upcoming 'trail care' class and workshop at Red Rock.
    I'm currently not, didn't really know anything about till a few weeks ago when Dave? came up and talked to us at the Late Night lot. Since then I've been following on facebook and almost went on the Coyote Springs ride (would have if it hadn't been on Sunday). Might go on the next one.

    Not sure how to join and/or what the benefits would be or how my funds would be used locally. Not opposed at all and I think it's a good idea. Just want to learn a bit more first. The henderson REI is just up the street from the house but we're going riding again tonight so we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonccc View Post
    I'm currently not, didn't really know anything about till a few weeks ago when Dave? came up and talked to us at the Late Night lot. Since then I've been following on facebook and almost went on the Coyote Springs ride (would have if it hadn't been on Sunday). Might go on the next one.

    Not sure how to join and/or what the benefits would be or how my funds would be used locally. Not opposed at all and I think it's a good idea. Just want to learn a bit more first. The henderson REI is just up the street from the house but we're going riding again tonight so we'll see.
    Most importantly... you can participate in most of our events without being a member. The upcoming ride on the 19th (see FB site) is open to everybody.

    Membership is only $30 (Choose Membership | International Mountain Bicycling Association). For the community it provides necessary monies for trail maintenance, trail building (working closely with Clark County on South Rim project), lobbying(locally and thru IMBA), educational programs (see our Subaru/IMBA Trail Care Event coming up) and organized rides(Ex: Coyote Springs).

    Individually... benefits include membership with 30K riders across the country, MTB subscription (Mountain Flyer, Swtichback etc), MTB discounts, travel discounts, specialized insurance, coupons and promotions (Subaru) and a partnership with the BLM (who see us as a responsible voice of the MTB community).

    Either way... we welcome your participation and hope to see you out on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonccc View Post
    Rode it for the first time Saturday. Kept hearing how great it was. I like it as a diversion from Cottonwood but was a little disappointed in how much it snakes back on itself. There are several places where you are going one way and your buddy ahead of you by 100 yards in coming right back at you. Didn't really have that 'out there' away from it all feeling.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I'll take the great trail that someone else has put in any day. Just wish it was a bit more 'stretched out'. So anyways.....

    I was looking at google earth this morning and there looks to be more heading west from the start. Not sure if it's being built and off limits or if it's completed and just not showing up on the June 2012 imagery. I'd love to help complete it and or try my hand at adding a portion. Not sure what the protocol is on that.

    The image shows the normal trail, as i understand it, in purple. The new, looks to be anyways, in pink. And the yellow is showing what a possible larger expansion to the west would look like. I'd like to go out and hike thru this area and maybe make some GPS notes on possibilities. Then map it out and start adding....

    Thought?
    The reason the trail is built the way it is, is because of the limiting nature of the boundaries around it(homes from the east and north, rrnc to the west, federal land to the south). YOU try making a trail that has substantial mileage in minimal acreage, and see what u come up with for a design!
    The fact that you sometimes get to see your buddy even if you've been dropped by him, is actually nice if your truly riding with your friend and not by your self pretending to be with your friends.
    I personally would stay on this side of the fence, even when your just out riding your bike, but again just my humble opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    The reason the trail is built the way it is, is because of the limiting nature of the boundaries around it(homes from the east and north, rrnc to the west, federal land to the south). YOU try making a trail that has substantial mileage in minimal acreage, and see what u come up with for a design!
    The fact that you sometimes get to see your buddy even if you've been dropped by him, is actually nice if your truly riding with your friend and not by your self pretending to be with your friends.
    I personally would stay on this side of the fence, even when your just out riding your bike, but again just my humble opinion.
    The GNOMES that made BBT deserve "RESPECT and $$$" So far in the last 6 years they are the ones that have laid the most amount of single track miles for all to ride and they have done it in a professional manner with great knowledge of trail building (The trail had no damage whatsoever with the last rains that destroyed CW) because they are built RIGHT they constructed bridges that support 500 lbs and for all you new to the trail they did it FAST!

    NO ONE else has done so much for my personal mountain biking enjoyment and pleasure than THEM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    The reason the trail is built the way it is, is because of the limiting nature of the boundaries around it(homes from the east and north, rrnc to the west, federal land to the south). YOU try making a trail that has substantial mileage in minimal acreage, and see what u come up with for a design!
    The fact that you sometimes get to see your buddy even if you've been dropped by him, is actually nice if your truly riding with your friend and not by your self pretending to be with your friends.
    I personally would stay on this side of the fence, even when your just out riding your bike, but again just my humble opinion.
    I clearly said that I appreciated the effort put in by others, very much so. I was simply asking for clarification on why it was like that and if there was a possibility to expand and add mileage. Which I would be happy to help with. It appears from my research that there are still a ton of possibilities out there.

    I respect and value the time and money put in by the trail builders. Period. Just wondering if there's more trail to be had. That's all.

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    Just came in to say THANK YOU to the guys that have worked and made Bears Best.

    I know who they are, and thank you guys. Big time.

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    Just came in to say THANK YOU to the guys that have worked and made Bears Best.

    I know who they are, and thank you guys. Big time.

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    FREAKING HEY!! Once again I didn't go to ride Bear's Best for a week and what do you know, come to find out there are 3 more miles of brand spanking new single track. Needless to say I left the trails with a face like this

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    Re: Bears Best MTB Trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camaleon View Post
    FREAKING HEY!! Once again I didn't go to ride Bear's Best for a week and what do you know, come to find out there are 3 more miles of brand spanking new single track. Needless to say I left the trails with a face like this

    Hats off
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    Where is the turn off for these new single track trails? I shattered my collar bone and broke my hand on new years eve and haven't been able to ride any trails since then! This weekend sounds like it may be my first time back on the bike off road and would love to hit these trails up.

    Oh yeah, just wanted to give you guys some props, I love BBT, never had a bad ride out there!

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    Just have to give props to the all those responsible for BBT. I'm from San Diego and just got back from an awesome bike trip to Vegas with 5 friends. Rode BBT Friday morning. The flow is very nice and just enough technical features to keep you honest. Nicely groomed and well maintained. It was a blast to ride. Great work!

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    Here for the week and heard about BBT. I know you all must have heard it a thousand times but I'm planning to ride tomorrow early am, of course, where should I park and what's the best direction to hit the trails? Thanks in advance

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    Park on the service road off of town ctr, just past the abandoned condos. Take the road up to the top of the flood basin. You'll see the singletrack from there. After you cross all three bridges, stay right at the next intersection, you wouldn't want to miss "The Ledge". Enjoy

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    Or better yet park by Las Vegas Cyclery and ride the short distance to BBT.
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    Thanks Knoob, Blade-Runner. That was a fun trail to play around. Kudos to the trail builders in maximizing the land. Kinda reminds me how we do it in the east coast when we have limited land.

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    Does anyone have an elevation profile of BBT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
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    Or you could come join some of the best riders in town and find out.
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    Cool . . . well if it ends up that we rent the place we applied to today, then I will be less than 2 miles from the trailhead, on the same side of the 215 so I could very easily ride right there from home - which is HUGE for me, as I have that luxury in L.A., and would like to be able to keep it!
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    Kudos to the trail builders! I rode the new single track this morning and it was awesome!

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    After hearing all the good things about BBT I finally made my way over there from Boulder City and took a ride this morning. Pretty great trail with some technical stuff in there, but not too big of climbs that killed me, definitely winded me good, but still alive. I think I rode without the Your Mom section to dirt road as I only covered about 9 miles. I'll have to go back and do them next time. Great trail and good fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike&Fish View Post
    After hearing all the good things about BBT I finally made my way over there from Boulder City and took a ride this morning. Pretty great trail with some technical stuff in there, but not too big of climbs that killed me, definitely winded me good, but still alive. I think I rode without the Your Mom section to dirt road as I only covered about 9 miles. I'll have to go back and do them next time. Great trail and good fun!
    There's definitely more to see . . . I get around 15 good solid miles, including Your Mom. If you have lights and want to go one evening or on the weekend, lemme know.
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    I don't have lights, but may be up for a weekend ride. I'll have to hit you up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike&Fish View Post
    I don't have lights, but may be up for a weekend ride. I'll have to hit you up!
    Gotta get some lights, man . . . night riding is a blast. There's a group that goes every wednesday night to various spots around town. I try to make it when they are out on the westside, but they go to the south and to Bootleg too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Gotta get some lights, man . . . night riding is a blast. There's a group that goes every wednesday night to various spots around town. I try to make it when they are out on the westside, but they go to the south and to Bootleg too.
    Sounds crazy and dangerous to me... I'll probably love it.

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    Rode BBT tonight and enjoyed it as much as I always have. I noticed someone painted some white arrows recently and they lead past the barb wired fence out into BLM land.

    Any idea why the white arrows are there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oilnewby View Post
    Rode BBT tonight and enjoyed it as much as I always have. I noticed someone painted some white arrows recently and they lead past the barb wired fence out into BLM land.

    Any idea why the white arrows are there?
    Whatever you do . . . do not follow them if you want to see the next day.

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    Hmmm, is this in the first mile right after you drop into the detention basin?!?
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    The RJ map (print edition) showed the development as everything North of Mesa park, South of the paved access road to the flood basin and everything West of Town Center to the BLM boundary.

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